Knicks Morning News (2016.08.26)

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks hiring of Hornacek hasn’t gotten enough praise
    (Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:00:00 PM)

    One massive change for the Knicks that has been overshadowed quite a bit this summer is the hiring of Jeff Hornacek.

  • [SNY Knicks] With Rose, the optics don’t match the analytics
    (Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:00:25 PM)

    The narrative surrounding Rose is that he’s not the player he was before injuries, unless you speak to his trainer Rob McClanaghan and Oklahoma City Thunder superstar Russell Westbrook.

  • [SNY Knicks] Sports Illustrated not impressed by Knicks’ offseason
    (Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:20:09 AM)

    The Knicks added Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, and others this offseason, but Sports Illustrated gave their offseason an overall grade of D.

  • [NYTimes] WNBA President Wants Teams to Have Community Conversations
    (Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:30:52 PM)

    Lisa Borders and WNBA players are ready to move forward.

  • [NYPost] Carmelo makes bodega run in monogrammed bathrobe
    (Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:54:31 PM)

    Call Carmelo Anthony a robe warrior. The Knicks star strolled to a New York City convenience store with his family wearing what appears to be just a white robe with “Melo” embroidered on it in silver and a red and black Olympic baseball cap. Anthony’s wife La La captured the outing on her Snapchat, playfully…

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    18 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.08.26)”

    1. Based only on preseason games I would keep Ron. His defense seems like it may be able to translate to the NBA game with those long arms. Might be the Galloway replacement that can actually guard 2’s.

    2. I like Baker. But if he can’t shoot well then he won’t make it too far. If he can shoot well he could be a nice addition with his defense and tenacity. Randle seems to be able to run an offense better in a PG role. The summer league team came alive when he played after being injured. He also seems to have good range on his shot but is slight of build. Plumlee seems to be a hard worker but without the skills except for rebounding.

    3. I would initially keep Plumlee based on OQ’s play last season, and the relative unknown of Billy. Sure, KP can play the 5- but we may have to throw numbers at the PF/C spot with Noah’s age/health concerns and KP not being quite physically ready to play alot at the 5. Who I would like to keep is a different answer. I’m kinda smitten with both Randle and Baker in the system we are expected to run, but I really like Baker’s savvy and length at the 2- even though Randle is probably the bigger need

    4. Danny Ainge is going to love this….. why on earth would Phil say this about a player under contract to another team?

      I think the biggest mistake I made was actually this…One of the first deals I engineered when I came back to New York was to trade Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas for Shane Larkin, Jose Calderon, Wayne Ellington, Samuel Dalembert, plus a second-round pick that the Mavs owed to the Celtics. In talking with Boston, I was given the option of taking that pick or else taking Jae Crowder. I liked Crowder but I thought he wouldn’t get much of a chance to play behind Carmelo, so I took the pick which turned out to be Cleanthony Early. While Cleanthony has missed lots of time in the past two seasons with us, he still has the potential to be a valuable player. Even so, I should have taken Crowder.

    5. Question-
      What’s up with Hornacek’s coaching staff? I don’t recall him actually filling his staff out yet.

    6. Drafting Jokic and Hollis Jefferson over Early and Grant would have put this franchise in way better position than trading for Crowder.

    7. we got sichting.. who i think ran hornacek’s offense…. he’s pretty highly regarded… howard eisley… yes that howard eisley… and corey gaines who i don’t know much about….

      the big miss was andy greer who’s now on the wolves’ staff with thibs formerly with the raptors.. he runs defenses and was also with hornacek in phoenix….

    8. If they did draft Jokic would they have made the trade to get into the second rd after taking Zingis and Jefferson? What if they did and drafted Josh Richardson?

    9. I doubt it matters-the Celtics don’t need phil to tell them crowder is good

      My point is I’m sure Crowder was thrilled Ainge thought soooo much of him he preferred a second round pick to him.

    10. Was it possible for someone to predict back then that Crowder will be a solid starter, by only checking his stats ?
      Cause my eye test was telling me that he was “slow” and “brutal” bball player.
      i expect the analytic fanatics to enlighten me on this one if they please.

    11. Jae Crowder graded out extremely well in advanced statistics as a college player. His PAWS40 was the highest I think that year (either him or Anthony Davis). Crowder’s success doesn’t come as a surprise to people in the advanced stats community.

    12. crowder was rated highly by a lot of draft models ranging from 11-15 from the well known ones….. his rookie year was pretty horrible but he’s improved every year….

      doesn’t mean anyone can ‘predict’ it… those same models all had mkg, waiters and robinson rated well ahead of him…. but it just means that he probably shouldn’t have gone in the 2nd rd and he had a better shot at being a player in this league than a lot of the guys drafted ahead of him….

    13. If you look through the posts from 2012, you’ll see posters like DRed talking about how good Crowder would be, but you also have posters like Frank speaking his praises.

      The consensus was that Crowder would have been a top pick if he had been taller. Turns out that you don’t have to be tall to be a good player. Dennis Rodman (6’7″), Dwight Howard (6’9″) and Ben Wallace (6’7″) would probably say that you could even be a dominant player without being tall for your position. Pretty amazing that players like Ben Wallace could deal with the Yao Mings of the world on a nightly basis. Probably didn’t hurt that his arms were thicker than Tyson Chandler’s legs.

      Sadly, my dude Marcus Denmon got drafted by the best franchise in the NBA and then stashed in Europe indefinitely.

    14. My point is I’m sure Crowder was thrilled Ainge thought soooo much of him he preferred a second round pick to him.

      Your point is moot bc Phil presumably cannot remember that part of the story accurately. Crowder was a Maverick at the time of the Chandler trade and wasn’t traded to Boston until December in the Rondo deal. It was plainly Dallas, not Boston, who would have been offering Phil the choice of either Crowder or a 2nd (which happened to be Boston’s 2nd owned by the Mavs from the Olynyk deal, not “owed to Boston” which is not actually a thing). It makes zero sense for Boston to be able make that offer at the time so either the quote is wrong or Phil’s memory is off.

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