Knicks Morning News (2017.05.02)

  • [NYTimes] Cavaliers Crush Raptors in Eastern Conference Semifinal’s Opener
    (Tuesday, May 02, 2017 2:21:54 AM)

    LeBron James scored 35 points, Kyrie Irving added 24, and Cleveland, which had not played since April 23 after a four-game sweep of Indiana, won at home in Game 1.

  • [NYTimes] Twitter Signs a Deal to Stream Regular-Season W.N.B.A. Games
    (Tuesday, May 02, 2017 12:20:14 AM)

    The 20-game agreement makes the basketball league the first women’s professional sports group to sign a rights deal with the social media service.

  • [NYDN] Former Knicks star Latrell Sprewell ineligible for Big3 draft
    (Monday, May 01, 2017 3:41:47 PM)

    Unfortunately, we probably won’t see Charles Oakley go up against Latrell Sprewell in Ice Cube’s 3-on-3 league.

  • [NYDN] How Carmelo, Wade could team up with buddies LeBron, Paul
    (Monday, May 01, 2017 7:59:06 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul and Dwyane Wade will be home, yet again, watching LeBron James make another run at the NBA Finals.

  • [NYDN] Kobe explains how Melo has a choice when it comes to Phil Jackson
    (Monday, May 01, 2017 6:55:55 AM)

    Kobe Bryant has an idea of what Knicks star Carmelo Anthony is going through with Phil Jackson.

  • [SNY Knicks] Ntilikina, Ball among prospects not attending NBA combine
    (Monday, May 01, 2017 10:51:13 AM)

    Frank Ntilikina of Strasbourg and former UCLA guard Lonzo Ball are among the NBA prospects who were invited to the NBA combine but will not attend.

  • [ESPN] Rumor Central: With Clippers out of playoffs, Carmelo Anthony speculation starts up again
    (Monday, May 01, 2017 1:27:29 PM)

    Rumor Central: With Clippers out of playoffs, Carmelo Anthony speculation starts up again

  • [ESPN] Knicks unlikely to have enough money to sign max free agent
    (Monday, May 01, 2017 10:30:27 AM)

    Knicks unlikely to have enough money to sign max free agent

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    62 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.02)”

    1. The Knicks are not in a weak position. Sure they want Melo gone but they also aren’t a playoff team trying to get over the hump or a contender trying to reload against the Warriors. They know their real future is with KP. They got a top 7 (hopefully) pick coming their way and if NOTHING changes this off season they’ll have another top pick next year. Melo could easily opt out next year after another 30 win season and no playoffs. The Knicks are not in a weak position at all in any Melo trade bc they don’t have to do shit.

      I sort of agree with this. Yes, Phil could’ve done a better job setting up trade talks, but at the end of the day, all it takes is one desperate team to make it a good trade — see the Boston-NJ/BK trade, and of course, the Melo->NYK trade. The problem is that the most desperate team (Clips) has nothing of real value to trade that makes sense for them to trade. If they even had a single 1st round pick before 2021 to trade, that would be so much better.

      OK, how about this – Rivers, Crawford, Brice Johnson, 2021 unprotected 1st, 2020 and 2022 1st round swap rights?

      I for one have zero problem taking on Crawford. His contract is minimally guaranteed in 2018-2019, he’s good for the #tank this season, and he’s fun to watch. Rivers is probably worth his contract, Brice Johnson has some upside. The 2020 and 2022 swap rights could be huge, and they are semi-close enough that Doc might think his team might still be good at that time.

    2. @Frank

      I would try to parlay Rivers and Crawford to Portland along with KOQ for Turner’s contract for their Memphis and Cleveland first rounders this year. That would save them something like $50m in luxury tax after those contracts expire next season and Rivers and KOQ probably bolster their rotation more than what they have right now. We could also take Ed Davis back in return and any other non-Meyers Leonard salary back in return.

    3. I definitely think we should be looking at Portland as a trade partner – either as a third team in a Melo deal or for Lee/KOQ. As I’ve said here before, we aren’t in the mix for top tier FA talent now or for the foreseeable future, so I’m more than happy to take bad contracts if they come with first round picks. I’d take Evan Turner although I’d try for Crabbe and/or Harkless first…

    4. What about Washington as a landing spot for Melo? Seems like they could use him, short commute home when you think about private jets, and they have ways to absorb his contract. He would be close to his childhood town of Baltimore, and both Baltimore and Washington could use his positive social influence. Can anyone come up with a deal that would work?

    5. @lavor –
      Would love those 1st rounders but Portland is owned by Paul Allen who is worth like $20B. That luxury tax is probably what’s between his couch cushions. Not sure he cares about the luxury tax unless there is a real competitive disadvantage. The details of repeat tax teams are unclear to me – but sure, maybe if they are stringent enough they would be willing to do that.

    6. It’s freaking crazy that in 2017 David Lee played the 2nd most minutes for his team in a 2nd round playoff game. This Spurs team has to be the shakiest roster I can ever remember for a 60+ win team.

    7. It’s not the tax, it’s the roster flex… he’s got 44m tied up in a reserve 2 guard and 2 mediocre SFs one of whom needs the ball in his hands to be effective as his primary skill is as a facilitator. All fine, except his two primary stars are ball dominant guards. They have one of the highest payrolls in the league and a borderline 8th seed to show. How do they get better?

      Adding Melo wouldn’t do it but he wouldn’t sign off going there anyway. But as a third team? There might be something that appeals to them.

    8. @Frank

      The repeater tax is fairly punitive and if they keep Turner they’ll almost certainly be offenders after the next 2 seasons. On top of that they also have to figure in extensions likely to be handed to Vonleh and Nurkic after next season which could make their payroll astronomical for a team still well short of true contention. In this scenario they get out from under a bad contract and could free up to $28m in space following next season.

      Idk if that’s enough to make them part ways with 2 late firsts, but it certainly has it’s appeal. It also gives them more flexibility on the trade market. I’d maybe even settle for 1 pick, if it was Portland’s own at 15.

    9. Re Wizards – pretty much has to be a sign-and-trade for porter, no? You could almost make the salary work straight up.

      Anything else involves Mahinmi to get the salary to work. I’m in for taking bad contracts with good young assets but do they have enough of those to offer? Oubre and what else?

      Has to be worth our while – that’s not only a bad contract but unlike Turner or Crabbe, it’s a totally redundant one on a team that already has too many centers…

    10. I’d take a flyer on Mahinmi. Doubt that Wiz would move Porter. Maybe Oubre if we give something back.

    11. What about if we take Mahinmi and Smith + picks/swaps and give them Melo and O’Quinn?

    12. And tie up $35/yr on centers that aren’t KP or Willy? I don’t mind taking on bad contracts but let’s at least target ones that play in areas where we’re short currently or will be in the event of a Melo trade.

    13. Ian Begley reporting/tweeting that Fox and Ntilikina are the FO’s favorites “among other PGs”…

    14. In any case, the loser of the Celts-Wiz series will likely consider whether to add Melo as a next step.

    15. If you are Boston and you get the #1 pick why would you trade for anyone in the summer? Why not wait to see how Fultz/Ball changes your team? Of they don’t change it that much then trade for someone before the deadline to get you over the hump. I wouldn’t wait until Feb. though. I’d do it January to give guys time enough to gel.

    16. The playoffs are gonna play out in a way that makes trading Melo a lot easier.

      Clips have lost all ready. Wizards will probably lose to the Celtics who will then lose to the Cavs (who will beat Toronto). The Cavs will most likely lose to the Warriors/Rockets (most likely Warriors I know but I’m oddly enough rooting for the Rockets this year. I like the Dantoni redemption story).

      That means Clippers, Boston, Wizards, Cavs and Raptors will all be wanting to improve their teams next year to compete. The free agency market this year is pretty bare of superstars too.

    17. if boston gets hayward and fultz… it’s going to be a long decade for us…

    18. @ 20 – they won’t have to. Cleveland will not be good in 3 years. They just have to keep their young core together and add pieces. The more I think about it the more I don’t see Boston doing anything. When you have a top pick coming your way this year and next why not just wait to see if you do draft the next superstar? Sure they’ll have to pay up for their young core soon but if they get Fultz that might make Isiah tradeable.

      I think Cavs, Clips are the most likely trade partners for Melo with maybe the Wiz being in contention too.

    19. I shouldn’t say Cleveland won’t be good. LeBron is super human but he will slow down enough where they won’t be elite. And knowing LeBron when this happens he’ll jump ship and ring chase on another team with younger talent. But if LeBron just stays put they will slowly decline.

    20. Can we trade Noah for Howard? He’s still a good player. For how long and how much is he signed for?

    21. @ 25 – young enough. They have 9 players that are 26 or younger and 11 that are under 30. And they’re still adding draft picks including a lottery pick this year and next (which will both be guys under 21). Point is I think they could wait out Cleveland and replace some of their older players with draft picks. I don’t see a huge rush on their part to add a big name.

    22. Boston has a lot of young players, and a lot of draft picks. They have 2 players on their roster 26 or under who had an above average WS or BPM last year, and those players were Jay Crowder (26) and Kelly Olynk (25). Boston wins because of their older players, which is fine, but their young core hasn’t actually done anything.

    23. From the Deadspin Dwight Howard piece:

      “Dwight Howard becoming a Knick is the one offseason event that could do the most psychic damage to basketball fans in this city, and so it will happen.”

      #DolansRazor

    24. Dwight Howard played 74 games, averaged a double-double, and had a 63% TS. Why is he all of the sudden everyone’s favorite whipping boy again?

    25. It’s not because he’s bad (he’s still really good though that will change any season now) that he’s ridiculed and Knicksy it’s because he’s one of the leagues biggest headcases

    26. You think Melo or D-Rose’s personas are annoying, just wait until you get a load of Dwight Howard. He is the biggest passive-aggressive crybaby douchebag in the entire league, just an impossibly insufferable jerk. He doesn’t last long anywhere because everybody justifiably hates him.

      He also has the lamest, unfunniest sense of humor of any sentient being.

    27. dwight would be the worst possible addition to our squad with willy and KP…i’d rather keep melo and noah’s contract

    28. I don’t think Melo gets traded. The more I think about it is the more it feels like Melo stays home.

    29. He also has the lamest, unfunniest sense of humor of any sentient being.

      Clearly you haven’t heard my math teacher jokes.

    30. What’s the difference between an introverted mathematician and an extroverted one?

      The extroverted one looks at other people’s shoes

    31. Oh yeah, Dwight is an insufferable ass. My only point was, unlike Melo and Rose, he’s an insufferable ass who is good at NBA basketball. Usually the Knicks target players who are both insufferable asses and bad at NBA basketball, so it doesn’t seem like a perfect fit to me.

    32. Apparently, Tyronn Lue has the hardest coaching job in the league. Something tells me that Horny (among others) would respectfully disagree.

      Coaching Cavaliers to Success:
      Step 1: Play LeBron James
      Step 2: Don’t get fired

    33. Dwight Howard is an economist’s dilemma. On one hand, he has a great season by nearly every advanced statistical measure,

      especially Jowles’ beloved Wins Produced!
      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players?direction=desc&minimum=true&sort=per48_wins_produced

      (4th in the league in WP48!!! Ahead of Butler, Leonard, Westbrook, Whiteside, Durant, Giannis; WAY ahead of LeBron! [who is below Kyle O’Quinn, but whatever, we can’t doubt the veracity of this holy grail of advanced basketball statistics])

      On the other hand, his trade value suggests that this WP superstar is grossly overpaid for his production and that Atlanta will be lucky to get a 2nd rounder and cap relief for him.

      So does being a self-centered superdouche nullify his production? I thought that production is production no matter what package it comes in.

    34. If you could guarantee that Dwight Howard would give a shit all season, and actually play with some effort, he’d be a very valuable player. He was very good for the Hawks this past season.

      Problem is, you can’t count on that from him every season. Sometimes when he’s not feelin’ it he just checks out for long stretches at a time and phones it in. He has done this several times in his career. Given the chronic clusterfuckery of the Knicks franchise, you can almost guarantee that it would not be long before Howard would end up in sulk mode, would stop giving effort on defense and would generally make everybody’s lives miserable.

      He’s also about to turn 32, so his decline phase is going to be coming real soon. 34-year old skill-diminished Dwight Howard is not a guy I would be real psyched about having on my roster.

    35. Apparently, Tyronn Lue has the hardest coaching job in the league. Something tells me that Horny (among others) would respectfully disagree.

      http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19294307/tyronn-lue-calls-coaching-cleveland-cavaliers-toughest-job-nba

      yeah, poor tyronn…that was a funny article…

      smirky iso melo is not good, pouty ball hogging no defense d-rose is worse, douchebaggy dwight would be absolute torture to watch for a season…

      we have to add some more players though…i’ll be amazed if teague, hill, or holiday come here next year….man, wish phil had been able to close the deal on rubio…

      it’ll be interesting to see who we bring in next year…no doubt there must be a few diamonds in the rough out there as UFA’s this off season…http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

    36. @33 “You think Melo or D-Rose’s personas are annoying, just wait until you get a load of Dwight Howard. He is the biggest passive-aggressive crybaby douchebag in the entire league, just an impossibly insufferable jerk. He doesn’t last long anywhere because everybody justifiably hates him.

      He also has the lamest, unfunniest sense of humor of any sentient being.”

      Well said – Adding Dwight is subtraction by addition, an annoying douchebag for sure – Please dear god no – us Knicks fans have suffered enough

    37. I don’t want Dwight Howard either. I just want the WoW crowd, most notably Jowles, to give their reasons for why I shouldn’t want him. Because in the world of Wins Produced, I should not only want him, I should be clamoring to trade Melo’s contract for his, and other teams should be lining up for him, because Production is Production.

      Seriously, if I told you that 31yo player who played 2200 minutes in 74 games put up the 4th highest WP48 in the NBA, shot at a TS% of .627, an eFG% of .633, an ORTG of 115, a DRTG of 100, avgd 16 points and 15 rebounds per 36 on a usg% of 19.2, was available on a 2-year deal at $24 mill per, and you knew nothing about the player’s personality, what would you think?

    38. I just noticed on that list of free agents that Shaun Livingston might available. We could certainly do worse than him as a placeholder while we develop a young PG of our own.

      What say ye?

    39. In today’s tabloid gossip LaLa showed up to the Met Gala with rings on every finger but her wedding ring finger

      Pretty sure they’re done

    40. it’ll be interesting to see who we bring in next year…no doubt there must be a few diamonds in the rough out there as UFA’s this off season…http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

      Also, Ty Lawson is available. If he has his problems under control, he might be worth a one or two year offer.

    41. Jason Smith just nailed a 3 and yelled “fuck Knickerblogger” to nobody in general

    42. Jason Smith just nailed a 3 and yelled “fuck Knickerblogger” to nobody in general

      i don’t know – when he played for us i was pretty positive he didn’t deserve to be anywhere near a professional basketball court…so, i guess the fuck you is somewhat well deserved…

      I just noticed on that list of free agents that Shaun Livingston might available. We could certainly do worse than him as a placeholder while we develop a young PG of our own.

      What say ye?

      he kind of stuck out on the list of guards to me also…plus sergio rodriguez – wasn’t he a knick at one point???

    43. I don’t want Dwight Howard either. I just want the WoW crowd, most notably Jowles, to give their reasons for why I shouldn’t want him. Because in the world of Wins Produced, I should not only want him, I should be clamoring to trade Melo’s contract for his, and other teams should be lining up for him, because Production is Production.

      I don’t know if I’d say I’m in the “WoW crowd,” but I do think Dwight was a very productive player this season, and I still don’t want him anywhere near the Knicks. There’s nothing inconsistent about that, there are a bunch of good players that it would still be dumb for the Knicks to acquire. As for Dwight specifically:

      1) He plays the position where we already have a serious logjam
      2) He wouldn’t make the Knicks anything close to a contender and is too old to be on the next good Knicks team, so he’d just ruin our draft position while yielding no future gains
      3) I wouldn’t want his attitude anywhere near KP and Willy, even if he wasn’t a center

    44. What he said ^

      Quin Snyder has to be feeling pretty good about himself after wandering in the wilderness….

      And yes, incredible that Jason Smith is playing a role in a playoff series.

    45. @48 I would think his teammates must hate him and playing with him to be so unpopular.

      Yes to Shaun Livingston, he’s solid

    46. Bojan played 8 minutes in an overtime game. Great use of a first rounder. It’s crazy we didn’t give them Lee instead, who would have been more useful to them.

    47. Livingston would be perfect (I wanted Livingston even back when he was just coming off of the terrible injuries), but why in the world would he come here? Golden State will bring him back and he’ll be in the title chase every year.

    48. The Wizards are another team strangely inept at finding a few decent basketball players to play 12-15 minutes without completely shittibg the bed

    49. That’s sadly the appeal of Lance Thomas. Thomas isn’t good, but you put him out there and he doesn’t, as you note, shit the bed. So it’s helpful to have a guy who doesn’t actively hurt you, even if he doesn’t actually add value, either (and Thomas doesn’t really add value). Now, do you sign those guys to the MLE for four years when you suck? Probably not, but it’s still interesting to see how Thomas can be a useful player while not being all that good.

    50. Checking in from Gibraltar, U.K. I agree that Livingston is never coming here. We need younger guys who are about to peak and who are seeking better opportunities. Cheers!

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