Knicks Morning News (2016.10.18)

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: PG depth is thin while Rose is away
    (Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:58:20 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: PG depth is thin while Rose is away

  • [ESPN] Melo wants D-League revamp as part of CBA
    (Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:24:38 AM)

    Melo wants D-League revamp as part of CBA

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony: ‘We put too much pressure’ on Kristaps Porzingis
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 8:15:29 PM)

    Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony: ‘We put too much pressure’ on Kristaps Porzingis

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Rookie Willy Hernangomez forcing way into playing rotation
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 9:28:53 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Rookie Willy Hernangomez forcing way into playing rotation

  • [NYTimes] Fred Slaughter, Who Helped U.C.L.A. Win Its First Basketball Championship, Dies at 74
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 11:49:08 PM)

    Slaughter, a center, averaged 7.9 points and 8.1 rebounds per game when the Bruins went 30-0 in the 1963-64 season, winning the first of John Wooden’s 10 N.C.A.A. titles.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose might miss final two preseason games
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 7:30:21 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Derrick Rose is going to have to learn the Knicks’ offense on the fly.

  • [NYDN] Rolling Stone deletes story on Derrick Rose rape trial
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 10:06:42 PM)

    Rolling Stone appears to be in some hot water again.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose asking again for rape case to be dismissed
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 7:14:16 PM)

    This time he filed a motion over trial testimony he says was out of bounds.

  • [NYDN] Knicks thin at point guard as Derrick Rose trial continues
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 4:58:43 PM)

    The Knicks took a gamble by not signing a third point guard over the summer.

  • [NYDN] Melo to Knicks fans: Give Porzingis opportunity to grow as player
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 4:57:34 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony wants to pump the brakes on the Kristaps Porzingis hype.

  • [NYPost] Chasson Randle adds more chaos to Knicks’ guard situation
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 6:19:06 PM)

    Knicks rookie point guard Chasson Randle will miss three to four weeks with an orbital fracture, making the team’s depth at point guard razor thin. The club wants to keep Randle on the 15-man roster despite the facial injury. One farflung scenario is to cut him, pay him the partial guarantee worth $100,000, and keep…

  • [NYPost] What’s behind Isiah Thomas’ lofty Knicks prediction?
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 4:03:23 PM)

    It’s never easy to read Isiah Thomas’ agenda, but he’s made a wild Knicks prediction that will air Tuesday night on NBA TV’s “Open Court” season preview show. Thomas works under the Garden umbrella as the Liberty president and unofficial compadre of Knicks owner James Dolan. Going against the grain of almost all prognosticators, Thomas…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose’s accuser trying to block ex-coworker’s testimony
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 11:53:57 AM)

    Derrick Rose’s accuser is trying to block the Knicks guard from using testimony by a former coworker, who said that her rape claim is “false and financially motivated.” Just yesterday Rose’s lawyers surprised attorneys for the accuser with their plan to read from December 2015 and May 2016 depositions on the last full day of…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony: Slow down the Kristaps Porzingis hype
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 11:30:37 AM)

    Put the brakes on the Latvian lovefest. Carmelo Anthony said the sky-high expectations for Kristaps Porzingis’ sophomore campaign need to be tempered — with fans and media failing to realize he’s just 21 and coming off his rookie season. Porzingis sat out a second straight day of Knicks scrimmages to rest the groin strain he…

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Knicks’ next game against Celtics
    (Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:11:46 AM)

    Knicks players discuss their opener against the Celtics and concerns they may have starting the new season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose could miss rest of Knicks’ preseason
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 8:14:53 PM)

    Knicks guard Derrick Rose will likely not play with the team for the final two preseason games, head coach Jeff Hornacek told reporters Monday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis was limited in practice Monday due to groin injury
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 1:35:36 PM)

    Knicks F Kristaps Porzingis was limited during practice Monday due to his groin injury.

  • [SNY Knicks] Randle will miss three-to-four weeks due to eye bone fracture
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 1:30:49 PM)

    Rookie guard Chasson Randle will be out for three-to-four weeks due to an eye bone fracture.

  • [SNY Knicks] Realistic expectations for Willy Hernangomez
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 9:10:55 AM)

    Willy Hernangomez, the prized Knicks rookie who the team acquired from the Philadelphia 76ers and who Carmelo Anthony (and several others in the organization) liken to Marc Gasol of the Grizzlies, has already made a big impact on the team this preseason.

  • [SNY Knicks] Assessing Knicks’ decision between Chasson Randle and Ron Baker
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 8:27:58 AM)

    Up until about a month ago, the Knicks were primed to head into training camp with fourteen guaranteed contracts. The seemingly open roster spot meant that young guards Chasson Randle and Ron Baker would be able to battle it out and aim to prove themselves, despite only having partially guaranteed pacts.

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    39 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.10.18)”

    1. Hornacek’s saying Randle’s injury won’t affect his chances of making the roster, but docs say he’ll be out at least a month. That’s tough. In an ideal world, we cut both Amundson and Sasha and keep both Randle and Ron, but A)I don’t imagine Phil ever cutting a healthy Sasha, and B)Even with the various questions around Rose, I don’t know that Phil wants to devote two spots to inexperienced UDFA guards. So I suspect only one at most gets signed to the active roster (at the cost of Lou or Plumlee), and the team risks sending the other to Westchester without an NBA deal, and see what happens.

      Anyone have a preference? Neither is really a PG, but Randle seems like he can more convincingly fake it during those stretches when Rose and/or Jennings is out, whereas Baker’s defense and court vision makes me more confident that he can actually stick in the league.

    2. Continuing on from yesterday about Hernangomez.
      I looked up his Euro stats, which were lite because of limited playing time. So I’ll used the combined (all Euro 2015-16) Per36.

      ORB/DRB/TRB: 4.0/6.9/10.9
      Ast/Bk/Stl: 1.1/1.7/1.1
      Pts/FG%: 17.2/66%

      This says he’s a good rebounder and an average blocker. But he’s also a solid scorer. We’ve seen that he can pass the rock. I think that’s a new feature because we didn’t see that in Europe.

    3. I think that’s a new feature because we didn’t see that in Europe.

      Interesting that both he and KP are showing off skills that weren’t really on display in Spain.

    4. The best shot blocking teams in Spain block significantly fewer shots than good shot blocking NBA teams

    5. I think Baker is better than Randle currently and will end up being better, even though I like both. We should be sending Randle to the D-League if we’re unwilling to create a roster spot for him because the likelihood of him getting snatched up with an injury is lower than a healthy Baker’s.

      I don’t care much about “fit” at the end of the bench, I just want what I perceive to be the better player/lotto ticket to be guaranteed to be on my team for longer.

    6. passing to a certain extent can get better as you get older… although i wouldn’t necessarily call wily a good passer… ast/to ratio is 6/10… that’s pretty horrible albet in a small sample….

      he can pass although he’s probably going to make a lot more mistakes …. that should get better as he gets older so you just have to live with the mistakes now….

    7. Randle is a short 2 guard. That’s not the end of the world, and the Knicks could use some shooting, but given that Baker shot pretty well in college I’d rather give him the first try.

    8. How shitty is it that our starting PG is still on trial in LA and may miss the entire preseason? I was meh on the deal to acquire him to begin with, and now this. It really is kind of Knicksy.

    9. Word on twitter is that a verdict may come today. Everything seems to be in Rose’s favor.

    10. Yeah the prosecution turned out to be more incompetent than the defense, which seemed impossible before the case started rolling. One question I wish was asked was why did her employer, who claims she seemed off and the she told him she was raped and somehow burned on her arm to the point it needed bandages, not insist she take the day off and go to a hospital? Her boss was either a severe asshole or a liar.

      Re: Hernangomez and Baker, I won’t be the least bit surprised if they’re the low usage superstars that pump this team to a better than expected record. Those guys are ballers and when they’re the 5th option on the floor can really appreciate excel in those spots or in an uptempo game with BJ at the point. If Phil hits on all three of Hernangomez, Baker, and Porzingis, I’ll give him a pass for drafting Jerian Grant.

    11. i wouldn’t necessarily call wily a good passer… ast/to ratio is 6/10… that’s pretty horrible albet in a small sample….

      At least half of these turnovers came when he got stripped, not on pass attempts. When he had an opportunity to pass he looked great so far.

    12. Re: Hernangomez and Baker, I won’t be the least bit surprised if they’re the low usage superstars that pump this team to a better than expected record. Those guys are ballers and when they’re the 5th option on the floor can really appreciate excel in those spots or in an uptempo game with BJ at the point. If Phil hits on all three of Hernangomez, Baker, and Porzingis, I’ll give him a pass for drafting Jerian Grant.

      I think you can add “cheese” to the mix there also, but I wouldn’t give up on Grant just yet. He may not be a starter, but I’m not convinced he won’t be a better backup than Jennings. Jennings is exciting for ‘fans”, but at the end of the day he can’t shoot a lick and turns the ball over too much. Granted, for 5M for a single year I am not too worried. But as far as I am concerned the Knicks are STILL weak at PG and Rose is not the answer.

    13. Strato, Jennings is a career 35% high volume 3-pt shooter (35 % being roughly league average).

      That’s solid for a guy shooting primarily off the dribble.

      If Jennings is closer to his pre-Achilles self with Detroit, where he was a considerably more aware passer, the Knicks have one of the best backup PGs in the league.

      Grant will need to make HUGE strides to get to that point next season.

    14. It’s one thing to be optimistic about how Grant could develop, but his rookie season pales in comparison statistically to what Jennings has done throughout his career by any advanced rate stat.

    15. Jennings last year (recovering from Achilles): 29.2 ast rate, 491 TS, 14.4 to rate, 20 usage

      Grant: 21.8, 479, 16.3, 19.8

    16. Jennings and Grant are completely separate transactions. Why are we trying to compare them?

      And if we are dead set on trying to compare them, we can’t ignore the fact that Jennings is on a 1-year contract. There’s such a thing as reinvestment risk – years 3 and 4 of Grant’s contract provided a lot of value. Value that we can’t necessarily assume that we’re going to be able to replace.

      I’ve been generally supportive of Phil so far, but that’s my one big issue with his free agency activity. Instead of using our opportunities to lock in value, we’re settling for bargain stopgaps (see Afflalo, Arron and Williams, Derrick). We just end up having to solve the same problem next year once the contracts are up.

    17. @ 13 – why is fans in quotation marks? Are you implying that anyone who likes Jenning isn’t a real fan bc they’re obviously stupid?

      Jennings and Grant are.m both backup PGs so that is why they are being compared. Duh.

      And yeah the one year deals mean we have to look again. But another way to look at it is Phil has figured out that there’s always gonna be good or players with a lot of potential who will want to prove themselves and will play hard in that make good one year deal. And Phil likes the idea of having that kind of energy on the team each season and is confident he can find one or two of those bargains every year.

    18. Kuz is also an exquisite passer. Add him to WillyBilly and the other Euros. His talent is going to amaze you as the season progresses. (Plus girlfriend).

    19. now this is the kinda of knick insight i’ve been hoping for:

      Kuz is also an exquisite passer. Add him to WillyBilly and the other Euros. His talent is going to amaze you as the season progresses. (Plus girlfriend).

      man, his chick is HOT!!!

    20. Strato, Jennings is a career 35% high volume 3-pt shooter (35 % being roughly league average).

      His overall shooting % and TS% are subpar.

    21. Jennings last year (recovering from Achilles): 29.2 ast rate, 491 TS, 14.4 to rate, 20 usage

      Grant: 21.8, 479, 16.3, 19.8

      Grant was a rookie, playing in an unfamiliar system, and shot better down the stretch. It appeared he was getting better. I have no idea how good he will become, but he almost certainly has upside given his limited NBA experience and strong work ethic. He’s probably 3rd guard in Chicago now, but I hope he gets minutes so he can develop some more.

      We know what Jennings is from his career before the injury. Like I said, fans will love him because he makes exciting plays. Guys like that are always overrated by fans. But he will net out to below average scoring efficiency and not do much else well enough to think he adds much value. He was a good signing for 5m though. That’s for sure. I’m OK with him being the backup. I simply think Grant will eventually be better at almost everything except making exciting plays and volume scoring.

    22. Jennings is a mere 3 years older than Grant and basically missed 1.5 years with the Achilles. Jennings biggest problem is that he allows himself to get out of control

    23. Jennings is a mere 3 years older than Grant and basically missed 1.5 years with the Achilles. Jennings biggest problem is that he allows himself to get out of control

      All told, Jennings has about 6 years of experience in the NBA (460 games, 14,837 minutes). I haven’t seen anything in preseason that leads me to believe the next 15K minutes are going to be any different.

      Don’t get me wrong. I like him as a backup, but fans are already getting carried away by the occasional fancy pass and his speed down the court. I like his speed, but he’s not going to generate a lot of value or wins.

    24. I think Jennings’ speed up the court is precisely what is going to generate value and wins, even if he doesn’t shoot the ball any better than usual. Our whole offense figures to substantially improve simply by virtue of pushing the ball up the court and attacking early. If Jennings can control the tempo of the game, create transition/semi-transition opportunities and find his teammates, and be league-average from deep, I’m confident he will be a net positive despite not scoring efficiently overall.

    25. Can’t we all just be content or even happy (and hopeful too) that we have 2 really talented PG’s that are still physically in their prime? Having 2 talented, starting quality PG’s might just save them from injury as they may not have to play a ton of minutes while carrying a huge load. Hey…I’m just trying to be “glass half full” here.

    26. I really think that Horny will be using 11 or 12 men on a regular basis, saving them all from injury.

    27. LMA had his best season under Pop. I think they’re just gonna play it as it lies: if they feel as if they have a title shot, they keep him. If not, hello Boston-Cleveland Game 7 of the ECF.

    28. “I think Jennings’ speed up the court is precisely what is going to generate value and wins, even if he doesn’t shoot the ball any better than usual. Our whole offense figures to substantially improve simply by virtue of pushing the ball up the court and attacking early. If Jennings can control the tempo of the game, create transition/semi-transition opportunities and find his teammates, and be league-average from deep, I’m confident he will be a net positive despite not scoring efficiently overall.”

      He has a solid career VORP (2.1) and an excellent career OBPM (for backup PG), ranking 10th in the NBA in 2014-15.

      On/off offensive numbers contradict his shooting/efficiency.

    29. Jennings > Grant.

      Don’t throw stats or projections at me. I just know what I see. I think Grant has a decent future and could end up better than Jennings eventually, but right now, there’s no comparison.

      #Glidepath – Even though Grant could end up being good, I don’t see him ever being “make a difference” good so future value is negligible.

    30. Gotta think the Spurs think they have no shot at a title unless KD or Curry get hurt.

      I think they know this, but a wait-and-see approach doesn’t hurt much, I think. See if KD or Curry go down, meanwhile, LMA puts up another .200+ WS/48 season and drives Danny Ainge rabid. There’s no rush.

      I suspect that his production as measured by WS is a little overinflated compared to his actual on court production (his BPM is mediocre, for example), though. So maybe it’s a better idea to get rid of him sooner rather than later.

    31. Don’t throw stats or projections at me. I just know what I see. I think Grant has a decent future and could end up better than Jennings eventually, but right now, there’s no comparison.

      No one here said or implied Grant is better than Jennings now.

      I simply said that the hype over Jennings this pre season is overdone and before it’s all over, Grant will probably be better than him.

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