Knicks Morning News (2016.10.17)

  • [NY Newsday] Mindaugas Kuzminskas gives Knicks offensive lift off the bench
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:52:59 PM)

    Mindaugas Kuzminskas is not your typical NBA rookie.

  • [SNY Knicks] ‘Big baby’ Hernangomez has an opportunity
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:25:07 PM)

    Willy Hernangomez is having a good preseason as he competes for the Knicks’ backup center spot.

  • [SNY Knicks] Randle has eye bone fracture
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:29:49 AM)

    Rookie guard Chasson Randle has an eye bone fracture sustained during practice on Friday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Joakim Noah’s arrival adds new dimension to Knicks’ game
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:14:52 AM)

    Making his Knicks debut at The World’s Most Famous Arena on Saturday, hometown kid Joakim Noah was ushered in as Hell’s Kitchen’s own on the Garden PA system.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis not expected to miss time with groin injury
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:20:36 AM)

    Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis suffered a groin injury in the team’s loss to the Celtics Saturday night, but it is not expected to keep him out of the lineup, he told reporters after the game.

  • [NYDN] Celtics’ Thomas: Knicks’ triangle won’t work without legend
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:16:12 AM)

    The first thing that comes to Isaiah Thomas’ mind when asked about Jeff Hornacek is his system.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: In Donning a Knicks Uniform, Joakim Noah Slips Into a Lifelong Dream
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:33:18 PM)

    Noah, who grew up in Brooklyn and was a Knicks fan as a child, made his debut in a preseason game Saturday at Madison Square Garden. “It was special,” he said.

  • [NYTimes] Lynx 85, Sparks 79 | Series is tied, 2-2: Lynx Hold Off Sparks to Force Game 5
    (Monday, October 17, 2016 3:47:05 AM)

    Maya Moore scored 31 points, and Minnesota’s defense held Nneka Ogwumike and Candace Parker in check to help the Lynx even the series.

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose case witness: Rape accuser instigated threesome
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:51:36 PM)

    LOS ANGELES — Derrick Rose’s star witness — the turncoat ex-pal of his accuser — instigated a threesome among them several months before the alleged rape, court papers claim. Sex therapist and masseuse Gabriela Chavez, who called Rose’s accuser a pathological liar on the witness stand Friday, went to Chicago with her in May 2013…

  • [NYPost] Roster-pondering Knicks won’t hold injury against intriguing PG
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:23:14 PM)

    It doesn’t sound like Chasson Randle’s injury is going to cost him a roster spot. Randle, battling to be the team’s third point guard, suffered a left orbital fracture Friday during practice, and will see a specialist Monday, the Knicks said. But coach Jeff Hornacek doesn’t believe it will hurt his chances of making the…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ big man flier is turning into a revelation
    (Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:21:05 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek heard so many positive things about Willy Hernangomez before training camp began, but the Knicks coach forced himself to lower expectations. It wouldn’t be fair to expect too much from a 22-year-old new to the country and new to the style of play in the NBA. It would only be natural for Hernangomez…

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    Hornacek on Willy/Billy:

    “When you see a guy be two steps ahead of the play, those are the guys that stick out to me when I’m looking at young players,” Hornacek said. “That’s what he does. He’s almost looking two steps ahead. He’s not getting the ball and then saying, ‘Now, what’s next?’ He already knows what’s next. That’s why you [compare him to] Marc and Pau, they’re both that way, too.”

    @reub- That was evident on a play where Jennings found Hernangomez under the basket. The kid caught the ball and went into an immediate spin move for the layup. I thought to myself that the kid knew what the defense would do, processed the situation instantly and countered it. That was impressive.

    I can’t tell you how many times last year I saw someone with the ball and thought “He’s putting that up” but was frustrated to see all the bigs staying away from the lane. There were 3 or 4 times in that last game where Hernangomez battled to get the offensive board and got an easy put back. I think that’s what Hornacek was alluding to and I agree that it’s something huge. I want to see more, but I’m cautiously optimistic that my eyes were not deceiving me.

    Yeah I am loving what I’m seeing out of Hernangomez on the offensive end. He does sort of have that Gasol look of being under control all the time. Defense is still a question mark.

    by the way I don’t know if Reub meant it, but I sort of like the nickname Willybilly for Willy.

    No, Willy’s d is not a question mark. It is an exclamation point, as in “It sucks!” But will he get better? Is he more Gasol or Kanter?

    That said, his offense alone is reason to play him. He has great hands and instincts, a nose for offensive boards and likes to bang with that big body of his. Seems very smart, so his post and P&R defense should improve, although he will probably never be much of a rim protector. But no question he is going to be at worst a solid NBA rotation player. Great find with a 2nd round pick, could be the first euro-stash that worked out for us.

    I disagree with the statement “It sucks!”. He has deficiencies but it’s clear that the focus of his early training was on offense. Where he is a defensive liability is handling of screens and picks. I see that you pretty much quoted DraftExpress. That’s a year and a half old and spans most of his adult life . He’s already grabbing defensive rebounds and my eyeball test showed me that he can be an interior defender. Yes, there’s a lot of work to be done but with hard work and dedication he can become a consistent defensive presence.

    Kudos to Phil for finding Wily and Kuz. Not bad for a team with no picks this year 😉

    Remember, 3900 minutes of NBA basketball doesn’t tell us much about how Derick Rose will play next season, but we can draw very meaningful conclusions from 80 minutes of pre-season games.

    I’m very high on Billy. He was good at a young age for one of the best teams in Spain, and I can’t wait to see what he’ll do this season. Billy playing well is one of the more realistic ways I see the Knicks outperforming their preseason projections.

    I think Brian said it best that preseason is good mostly for judging the younger players. I believe Rose will decent enough as long as he avoids a freak injury like last year.

    DRED – just giving you a hard time!

    I’m high on him too. If he pans out and can eventually be a starter it would be a HUGE PLUS for the Phil Jackson era as he would have gotten a key piece with a second round draft. If him and Kuz can turn into rotation players I think it completely changes the narrative of Phil’s tenure.

    I think Brian said it best that preseason is good mostly for judging the younger players. I believe Rose will decent enough as long as he avoids a freak injury like last year.

    Kevin, not sure if you’re relatively new here, but in order for you to write any opinion on any Knicks players, especially ones whose usage is >25, you have to have really crappy data loaded with confounders that is stuffed into problematic all-encompassing statistical models, presented with as much certainty as possible in order for anyone to take you seriously. lol.

    just kidding. welcome.

    Does anyone know what the story is with Cleanthony Early? I read last week that he was resigned.

    Cle got signed to the League for us. I think Phil felt bad for him getting shot mid season last year and wants to give him another chance. Cle hasn’t shown much but I remember a few flashes where I thought he might be ok but then he got shot in the knee. Which was a bummer cause he probably would have gotten some burn later in the season.

    @16 Thanks, I’ve been posting sporadically over the last few months. Hope to become one of the regulars.

    @Swiftandabundant – Thanks. It makes sense. I suppose that means that the Knicks could lose him if he gets claimed by another team.

    On that note, I heard Hahn talking about a potential change in the rules which would allow teams to better protect players in the D-league. I was listening with one ear while doing other stuff so I don’t know how true it is or any real details. I think it’s good to have a developmental league but without a more substantive owning of player’s rights, I don’t know what the incentive is to teach them.

    I think its inevitable that each NBA team will have its own D-League affiliate, like they do in MLB. It will help, overall, to make the league better if young players are able to hone their skills before hitting the “majors”.

    I think the basic outline was every team would have a few players they could shuttle back and forth between the big club and the dleague

    howdy reub…thanks for sharing that article – good read (had to take a couple of breaks and do some actually work while reading it :-)…

    i think for the first time in awhile our roster (to include the coach) actually makes a bit of sense (give or take rose’s inclusion into the mix – who knows, maybe he’ll have a terrific year)…

    we’re okay up front…i think jennings will have a good year for us, lee will at least play to his average…after that though – who knows what will get from the 1 and 2 spots???

    Yeah I’m torn about whether the NBA should protect D-League guys for the team that initially picked them up or not. On the one hand I think it would be better game-wise for the league if teams could keep and develop guys with their own farm teams. Imagine being able to work on a project for a season or two and call him up to the NBA whenever an injury happened. I also think the D-League could be a very popular league. I mean its basically guys as good as college prospects, so if teams had more cohesion from season to season it could be a great way to make the league (both the D-League and the NBA) more popular.

    On the other hand I would hate to restrict a guy from going to any NBA team if given that opportunity. I think the only way would be to increase the D-League salary for the players and maybe you can’t protect all of them but you can protect some of them? Or each team gets a set amount of money they can dole out for above average D-League contracts to the guys they think most worth it?

    I remember hearing something on a podcast that the new CBA might allow contracts where a player had one salary in D-league and another if he was called up by the parent team. The podcast also said this would increase the number of players represented by the players association, so I would assume this means a team could have more than fifteen players under contract. This might change second round drafting considerably.

    My 15:

    Porzingis (it doesn’t look like they have a clearly defined role for him yet. I don’t like him defending the 3 point line)

    Billy (a starter potential)
    Jennings (is he ever in control for 2 possessions in a row? a really annoying player)

    Baker (a tweener but I love his smarts)
    Plumlee (every team can use a banger for the minimum contract)

    Overall this is the smartest Knicks team I’ve seen in a long time. Very promising.

    Couldn’t you just restrict the d-league guys. So a player signed to a d-league team would be restricted. If another team wanted to sign a player the parent club would have like 5-10 days to make room on their roster and match the offer or they would lose them.

    Couldn’t you just restrict the d-league guys. So a player signed to a d-league team would be restricted. If another team wanted to sign a player the parent club would have like 5-10 days to make room on their roster and match the offer or they would lose them.

    I think the problem with that would be that if you didn’t have the room on the roster, you would forced to drop a player for the sake of holding on to a D-League player; which in my mind defeats the purpose of having a farm system if it is that easy to lose players. I like the idea of having an expanded roster. 15 players on your NBA roster and an additional 5 at your D-League affiliate. You would then have the freedom to call up players (i.e. if a roster becomes available through trade, waiver or injury). You could potentially have access to a player for 2 years, and then after that 2 years they go to the open market. Maybe also implement additional rules that allow you to trade rights to D-league guys, like the league does with international draft stashes.

    The whole point of the current rule is to give the kids a chance to get onto an active roster. But the flip side is that it cuts into the incentives for a team to develop a player. In order to fix that issue they’re going to need to come up with some sort of compromise. It might mean giving teams a couple of vetoes on a claim per player and each veto might mean a bonus payment to offset the revenue loss or something like that.

    I am still contemplating the under/over. I think Rose is very overrated and Calderon was mildly underrated. That argues for under. At the same time I think Noah is underrated. IMO he’s an almost great player when he’s close to 100%. So if he’s healthy for the majority of the season and even at 90%, that’s more wins than Lopez. Then when we get into the kids, I think they are going to be better than people think. So maybe upper 30s is the right answer, but for different reasons than mainstream thinking.

    Peak Noah (who’s likely gone) is a top 5-7 player in the league.

    Would love to see even 75% of that

    I’m going to cop out and say that they’ll win 30-55 games. I guess the point is that the Knicks are an absolute wild card. I want to see Rose more in the pre-season to come up with a number but I’m looking at 40 but hoping for 45.

    Juan is more of a wing/stretch 4 while Willy is a Lee/Kanter super efficient offensive rebounder type of guy (hopefully with a bit of M Gasol in him)

    I think Juan maybe really special. It would be cool if they take over the reins and follow in the footsteps of the Gasol bros.

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