Knicks Morning News (2016.04.22)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Friday's Knicks Links: Melo skips Jackson's 'triangle' workshop (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:42:18 EST)

    Friday's Knicks Links: Melo skips Jackson's 'triangle' workshop

  • [New York Post] Carmelo curiously skipped Phil Jackson’s triangle meeting (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 00:54:15 -0400)

    Before the season finale and on Trash-Bag Day, Carmelo Anthony admitted he was tired of saying the word "triangle.'' Apparently he's also tired of listening to the word triangle. According to a basketball source, Anthony was not one of the 10 Knicks who were part of Phil Jackson's triangle workshop held Tuesday and Wednesday in…

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Raptors Dominate Indiana (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 02:25:34 GMT)

    DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry each scored 21 points to help the visiting Toronto Raptors beat the Indiana Pacers, 101-85

  • [New York Times] Rockets 97, Warriors 96 | Golden State Leads Series, 2-1: Warriors, Missing Stephen Curry, Fall to Rockets (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:54:12 GMT)

    Golden State fumbled away a chance to win in the final seconds.

  • [New York Times] Thunder 131, Mavericks 102 | Thunder lead series, 2-1: Thunder Roar Back From Previous Loss and Rout Mavericks (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:12:19 GMT)

    Kevin Durant, who had struggled in Monday’s loss, scored 34 points on 11-of-25 shooting for Oklahoma City.

  • [New York Times] Pearl Washington, Dazzling Guard Who Put Syracuse on Basketball Map, Dies at 52 (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 01:47:32 GMT)

    A charismatic point guard who achieved legend status as a Brooklyn schoolboy, he helped lift Syracuse University to national prominence in basketball and went on to play in the N.B.A.

  • [New York Times] More Intensity? Maybe, as Cavs, Hawks, Spurs Chase 3-0 Leads (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 07:51:36 GMT)

    There have been verbal jabs, untimely injuries, and plenty of lopsided results.

  • [New York Times] Calm Harden Fires Rockets Past Warriors in Game Three (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 07:09:30 GMT)

    The frantic, final moments nearly undermined all the Houston Rockets built in scratching out a double-digit lead, but James Harden took advantage of the disarray by doing what he does best.

  • [New York Times] Harden’s Late Shot Lifts Rockets Over Warriors 97-96 (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 05:42:38 GMT)

    The Houston Rockets were down by one point with no timeouts and mere seconds remaining Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] NBA Playoff Capsules (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:48:33 GMT)

    James Harden scored 35 points, including the game-winner with 2.7 seconds left, and Houston took advantage of Stephen Curry’s absence to get a 97-96 victory over Golden State in Game 3 of their first-round playoff series on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Raptors Edge Ahead in Series With Stingy Defense (Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:03:28 GMT)

    The Toronto Raptors have a reputation for being one of the NBA’s best defensive teams and it is that defense that has allowed the Eastern Conference’s No. 2 seed to regain control of its first-round series against No. 7 seed Indiana.

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    81 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.04.22)”

    1. Could it possibly be that the Rockets were trying to do one of those cool “Yeah, we knew he’d make it. We’re not going to celebrate like we’re surprised” things?

      Or do they just seriously hate Harden that much?

    2. I thought that was peculiar when I saw the highlights this morning. I tried to watch hoops last night but I was in a bit of a funk tryin 2 wrap my head around the terrible news of Prince’s passing. I still can’t believe it. Anywho..I really like Harden, but he does seem a little aloof. It may have been a bit of both, since he was en fuego and had a great look at the basket. What’s up with Melo not attending Big Chief Triangle’s pow wow? Do we think he’s drawing a line in the sand against Phil’s stubbornness? If he is, I can’t get mad at him. I mean..Thibs went back to Minnesota!! And Phil never considered him!! Granted, he does have Wiggins and KAT there with Lavine and Pekovic, so he has a really nice foundation. Maybe he’ll be generous and give us Rubio in a cheap trade lol.

    3. Isn’t Melo rehabbing his knee? I wouldn’t read too much into him skipping the triangle boot camp. Although, don’t get me wrong, I think it is fair enough to take it as a slight bit of “Yeah, I’m not that enthused about this thing.” I mean, Kevin Seraphim even made it to the boot camp! And RoLo and Calderon both showed up, as well (on top of the young guys plus O’Quinn and Sasha).

    4. True indeed, and by all accounts, Melo & Lopez are the best 2 on the roster in the triple post. I just would figure that Melo, being or trying to be the leader, could make time for a teaching session. I don’t know all of the details in his rehab, so this isn’t a knock against him. It’s just my hope.

    5. Melo was reported to be at the meeting. Don’t see any reports out there otherwise?

    6. The first link quotes the second, a Berman piece. Probably right, but Posting and Toasting reported he was there. Anyways, maybe he knows Blatt’s on his way or something. I don’t care, honestly.

    7. Who, Melo? I dunno. He’s not going anywhere any time soon. Maybe not re-sign him in three years?

    8. The first link quotes the second, a Berman piece. Probably right, but Posting and Toasting reported he was there. Anyways, maybe he knows Blatt’s on his way or something. I don’t care, honestly.

      I don’t think it’s a big deal, either. It’d be nice if he had showed up, as the only other guys not to show up were the injured Lance Thomas, the retiring Lou Amundson and the two outgoing free agents, Afflalo and D-Will. But it’s not a big deal that he didn’t.

      By the way, the Poasting and Toasting piece cited the Daily News, who subsequently edited their mention of Melo being there out of their article (while keeping a caption that said he was there – sloppy, Daily News!).

    9. That thing was for the young players. If you read it says the vets crashed it. The whole thing is fucking stupid.

    10. I do think that we haven’t been giving Melo enough credit. For the most part, he has adapted his game and assimilated well to the triple post. He also has become more of an active leader. He may not be quite where we’d like to see him, but I think the changes he has made are great- even if it’s late in the game for him.

    11. “Where would we be without Melo?” truly is a double edged sword of a question isn’t it? One one hand, without him we’d have more cap flexibility and younger talent. And on the other hand, without him we’re looking at back-to-back back 17 win seasons. For now, the team is stuck with him, so I try to look at the bright side

    12. There’s been some back and forth between our old friend Jim Cavan and Roland Lazenby on twitter — makes me much less optimistic that it’ll be anyone but Rambis.

      Truth is, though — it’s tough to separate out whether we looked bad this season because of how awful our guards are, or whether the Triangle made our guards look awful. We literally had the worst backcourt (on both sides of the ball) in the entire league last year. I’m not sure our offense would have been much better running any system given how terrible the guards were. Jerian Grant ran plenty of PNR (35% of his possessions) and once teams figured out he couldn’t shoot, that wasn’t a good possession type for the Knicks (0.72 PPP, 22% TO-R). And on defense, we were running out two awful defenders (JC and AA), and undersized 2 (Gallo), and a rookie. No wonder the D was so awful.

      Anyway, I’ve reached the bargaining/acceptance portion of NYK grief. I’ll be so happy if the coach isn’t Rambis, but I’ve come to accept this lot in life.

    13. David Blatt > Kurt Rambis..but that’s still kind of a pick your poison deal, no? The big question about Blatt is, how much of his wins were because of LBJ? The big question about Rambis is WHYYYYYYYY? Maybe Phil really should just coach the team….

    14. OK so this is gonna sound like the biggest Melo apology but we should consider the possibility that they didn’t want Melo at that workshop bc they wanted to focus on what everyone besides Melo should be doing and/or how they can operate the Triangle without Melo. Just a thought. Or Melo had something all ready planned for that time and Phil didn’t care bc he knows Melo is NOT the problem when it comes to the offense.

    15. David Blatt > Kurt Rambis..but that’s still kind of a pick your poison deal, no? The big question about Blatt is, how much of his wins were because of LBJ? The big question about Rambis is WHYYYYYYYY? Maybe Phil really should just coach the team….

      Seriously, I do not get the Blatt thing. Last year at this time he was getting absolutely blasted on here for his misuse of Kevin Love, not running a good offense, misusing his pieces etc. And since then the big developments were he got fired, it emerged that nobody can stand to work with him and that his players hated him. And, oh yeah, our best player is best friends with the guy who led the revolt against him in Cleveland.

      This is the guy we’re pining for? It seems like the case for him boils down overwhelmingly to the two wins in the finals…which is really dumb. And the fact that he’s not Rambis, which is undeniably a plus. Still, what a mediocre hire that would be.

    16. David Blatt has coached winning teams everywhere he has been, on multiple continents, in multiple languages. The man can coach. If you’re hoping that somebody better will walk through the Garden door at this point, you are waiting in vain.

    17. I’m not the biggest Blatt fan, but come on, if the other choice if Kurt Rambis, then David Blatt is like unto a glorious god of coaching.

    18. Who does Melo think he is to try to dictate who the new coach should be and what kind of offense we run? If he doesn’t like it he knows how to get out of it.

    19. He’s the team’s star player. Star players have been making demands like that for as long as there have been star players. I never mind star players making demands. It’s when teams capitulate to those demands in negative ways that I take issue with.

    20. What’s that all about?

      Spam filter is acting weird at the moment. One of my comments had the same thing.

    21. So who’s moving up on my f/a list? I’m liking Tyler Johnson, Bazemore, Crabbe, Beal (because he’s undervalued, only 22 and KD might be coming), Batum (because he’s been hurt and might drop in value), Dellavadova (if we get Blatt), and Lin (undervalued). Noah too who should be undervalued and would help us. Evan Turner too. No?

    22. I don’t want to blow our cap for this free agency, but if we had to:

      fine w any of TJ Crabbe Batum and Lin assuming the contracts are at about my completely unscientific guestimates of their offseason market value

      James Michael McAdoo might be a good buy low candidate especially given Golden State’s cap situation. Biyombo too, if he’s still undervalued after his good stint in Toronto.

      no no no to Evan Turner

      The correct answer, however, is max the fuck out of Whiteside or Boban and trade Lopez.

    23. What about Clark on GS? Or the Spur’s Simmons? Are they both available? It is possible to come up with some good young guards at reasonable value I think. Any that strike your fancy?

    24. I do like the strategy of maxing Whiteside (or Horford) and trading Lopez for Teague. But that might not happen. A lineup of Whiteside, KP, Melo, Teague and a halfway decent SG would sure be excellent.

    25. What do you think Beal will go for considering his past injuries? Hell, the kid is still only 22!

    26. Lopez > Whiteside, sorry. Whiteside has the prettier stats, but I’m not sure he would fit with this roster the way Lopez does. Plus Lopez can get his own buckets if needed. We’re good at the C, PF spot. We may need to switch up at either guard spot and SF. I still kinda think that unless we can find a SG who can shoot, then Grant should play there

    27. Ian Begley has said a couple times on ESPN Radio that the Knicks have interest in Darren Collison. Certainly an upgrade from the crap guards we’ve had the last few years but not super exciting. But that seems like probably what we can hope for — upgrade but not super exciting.

      Still – career 15p/3r/6a/1.4s per 36, 37% from 3, 56 TS (his last 4 seasons have had a TS of 57.5 3x and 59.1). He has a pretty good defensive rep. I’d be happier about paying him $10-12MM/year (and hopefully having $25MM left assuming AA/DW opt out and Calderon is stretched) than paying Conley $25MM.

    28. Lopez > Whiteside, sorry. Whiteside has the prettier stats, but I’m not sure he would fit with this roster the way Lopez does.

      Hassan Whiteside has “prettier stats” because he is much, much better at basketball than Robin Lopez. I know Lopez carried the team to an amazing 32 wins and Whiteside looks like he might fizzle out in the ECF on Dwyane Wade’s back, but consider:

      Whiteside 2015-16:

      #4 in TS%
      #4 in eFG%
      #9 in ORB%
      #3 in DRB%
      #2 in TRB%
      #1 in BLK%
      #1 in DRtg
      #7 in WS/48
      #7 in DBPM
      #2 in WP/48 (excluding Boban because he barely made the 500 MP cutoff)

      That’s not “not sure he would fit as well with this roster,” that’s “probably the best overall frontcourt player” stuff.

      No offense, but you have to have some seriously weird and possibly stupid ideas about team composition to believe that Robin Lopez is more valuable to the Knicks than Whiteside would be.

      If Whiteside ends up in NY they’re instantly a playoff team.

    29. Lopez is an immensely valuable contract–one of the best in the NBA: that can get you some significant assets back in the form of picks or good young players. I love love love Lopez, but like someone else in another thread said, you simply DO NOT pass on a player like Whiteside, especially if your only reason is “fit” or “culture.” Whiteside + picks/young players? That’s an instant yes.

      I doubt Whiteside wants to come here, though, so I’m fine with sticking with Lopez. I think we actually need PG/SF more than we do PG/SG, since we can offset Gallo/Calderon to the 2, which are their better positions at this point. Backup small forward/starting SF when Melo’s at the 4 is a position of pretty significant need; we only have Lance Thomas, who plays multiple positions.

      I would just love to grab Garry Payton Jr., or Caris Levert, really. I’d be fine with Gbinije too even though I think he’ll be terrible. Zagorac looks interesting from what little I can tell, too.

    30. Ian Begley has said a couple times on ESPN Radio that the Knicks have interest in Darren Collison. Certainly an upgrade from the crap guards we’ve had the last few years but not super exciting. But that seems like probably what we can hope for — upgrade but not super exciting.

      Collison does sound like a realistic target. I could see him and Turner both being signed. That’s roughly $27 million, so the Knicks wouldn’t need to cut Calderon.

      But that is the drawback in this sort of things. The realistic options in free agency are also the ones that don’t move the needle that much. Instead of being terrible, they’re mediocre.

    31. I liked Collinson for a while but I do not see him in NY unless Sacramento just gives him to NY.

      Who/What would they trade Sac? Could they get him for Calderon and a 2nd or would O’Quinn needed to be included? I definitely would not do it for Lopez unless you tell me they are getting WCS and maybe a pick too. I would not put it past Divac to settle for that though.

      What could the rights to Willy G get the Knicks?

    32. @40
      Whiteside also plays with Wade, Dragic, Winslow, and Johnson..all of whom are arguably better than most of the Knicks roster. Plus they have waaaaaaaay better coaching. I’m not saying Whiteside isn’t more talented. I just don’t think his game fits as well. I would love his rebounding and mobility in the paint though. I may just re-think my Lopez over Whiteside theory though. Defensively, he and KP would be better than Lopez & KP, which says alot because those 2 play well together. I dunno..I can live woth either one in the paint

    33. But that is the drawback in this sort of things. The realistic options in free agency are also the ones that don’t move the needle that much.

      Collison actually sounds sort of like a 2 way player — can stop the ball on D, can score a bit, pass a bit.

      Turner is an interesting case. He really does sound like a Phil jackson sort of player. He’s apparently reasonably good at defense, and he is a versatile offensive player (although definitely not a 3 point threat). Have to imagine that he and Collison will be prominent in the FA chase.

      But man, we would have one of the worst shooting guard rotations in the league with Galloway, Grant, Wroten and Turner.

      Still – Upgrade, but not exciting. But maybe good enough to make this team watchable at least.

    34. Oh, Collison’s not even a free agent? Then that’s about that, right? They have no real trade assets (outside of the assets that are too good to get Collison), so they shouldn’t be able to get Collison.

    35. Oh, Collison’s not even a free agent? Then that’s about that, right? They have no real trade assets (outside of the assets that are too good to get Collison), so they shouldn’t be able to get Collison.

      oh that’s weird. Ian Begley mentioned it on 2 different ESPN shows so I didn’t even check whether he was a FA.
      Maybe a trade for KOQ?
      Kings don’t actually have another PG under contract for next year.

      Strange. Oh well sorry to bother.

    36. What would a Whiteside max contract start at? Assuming 20 million, is Whiteside at 20 more valuable than Lopez at 13?

    37. Whiteside’s offensive value is as an excellent roll man in the PnR. But of course, we don’t run PnR, so he’d either be floating in space or we’ll force-feed him in the post, where he’ll take awkward hook shots and his eFG% will drop 100 points.

      On a per-dollar basis, Noah or Pau would be better values for the Knicks. But I’d rather just keep Lopez than sign either one.

    38. @49 The idea is to get Whiteside and then trade Lopez for a good young asset or two.

      However, I hope they just keep Lopez and sign guys with cap space. Whiteside is a pinhead. Who knows what he’ll do once he gets his max contract.

    39. Guys, there is a part of me that thinks there is something else going on with this very bizarre coaching search. Ramona Shelburne is not somebody who would write something in an article without something behind it. Is it possible that Phil is really thinking about coming back to coach the next? He’s running summer triangle fantasy camp. He keeps talking about the next coach being somebody he knows. Seems to make pretty good sense, especially since he is speaking so strongly about the triangle quickly. I actually don’t think it would be that bad for him to be the head coach 50 or 60 games here and have rambis run it for long road trips etc.

      The Warriors just had one coach for half the year and another coach for the other half, and they seem to do just fine. I solidly think that desirable free agents will not come here to Play in the triangle but maybe they would if Phil Jackson was the coach. Thoughts?

    40. The more I think about it the more I really do think this is what is going onbehind the scenes. There is no question that Phil’s legacy is at stake here. He may love Kurt Rambis but I can’t imagine he would allow his legacy you to ride on the back of a coach who has the fifth worst record in NBA history.

      I don’t really know why it would be such a weird arrangement for the players. Plenty of NBA coaches have gotten ill or had to take leave for one reason or another during the regular season. This would be the same thing, except it would just be known about in advance

    41. I’d rather have Phil for 41 games and Rambis/Shaw for 41 games than Rambis/Shaw for 82 games.

      But I’d rather have Blatt/JVG/anyone else than either.

    42. The Knicks need talented, good players, period. There only way to get one since they have no draft choice this season is to sign a FA. I’d rather sign Horford or Whiteside to a big contract than Batum (who plays a position of greater need), because they are better players. You can always move a value player to balance the roster.

      The Knicks didn’t pass on Patrick Ewing because they already had a good center on the roster…. they ended up moving Cartwright for a piece that made the team go.

      The Knicks didn’t pass on Walt Bellamy because the already had Willis Reed on the roster…. they played him for 2 year and then swapped him for Dave D who was the final piece to the puzzle.

      Get talented players, then balance the roster. The Knicks need moar talented players…..This is why Lopez was a terrific get…. he increased the Knick’s level of talent on a very fair, tradable contract and it only cost them cash .

    43. @55

      It’s not as easy to make trades as people think. If you really unbalance your roster, you usually go into the season with it.

      Plus, there is a glut of centers on the market as the league gets smaller. Philly alone has to move two of Noel, Okafor, and Embiid. And they might draft Simmons! Go through the rosters and identify which teams would trade a guard or wing for Lopez right now. There are precious few.

    44. Again, here is the problem with the triangle– opportunity cost. Hassan Whiteside CAN’T come here, because he doesn’t fit the system at all. He’s a terrific basketball player and he might be available, but he doesn’t fit here.

      I get the idea of “system basketball” and trying to find players and that fit the system, and coaches that will coach the system, and sticking with that. But the downside– and it’s a massive downside– is that you are shrinking the available pool of talent you are picking from, both in terms of players in coaches. Want to hire somebody other than Kurt Rambis or Brian Shaw? Well, you can’t. They won’t coach the system. Want to bring in Hassan Whiteside? You can’t. Doesn’t fit in with the system.

      The smart thing to do, which is what Pat Riley has always done, is to form your STRATEGY around your TALENT, and not the other way around.

    45. I cannot believe someone tried to say that Lopez was more valuable to the Knicks than Whiteside. My mind is exploded.

    46. BobNeptune: The Knicks need talented, good players, period.

      IMHO, the Knicks need players who produce at an above average level per dollar of their contract. All most FAs are going to do is make it harder to get that type of player by preventing us from using the cap space more creatively, giving us a worse 2017 pick and further tilting the see-saw towards a win-now mentality and all the compromises that come with it… All the compromises we’ve seen the team make 100 times before.

    47. Drummond is play well tonight, including some decent post moves. I know SVG is a genius and everything, but I’m having trouble grasping why they are working so hard to teach Andre Drummond a lefty hook shot. He took 314 hook shots this year. Nobody else in the NBA took more than 240. He shot 43.6% on them. Here is the complete list of players who shot more than 150 hook shots and their FG% on them:

      Vucevic: 56%
      Rolo (!): 56%
      Monroe: 52%
      Thad Young: 58%
      BroLo: 55%

      And those are total hook shots. I don’t know what his lefty % is, but I’m guessing it’s even worse. I know Howard had a couple of years under SVG where his hook shot went from really bad to mediocre (48-50%), and at that level you can maybe/not really justify it as part of a semi-threatening post game, but Drummond is nowhere near that — and it isn’t such a great goal anyway. Seems like a total waste.

    48. @60 – if you are referring to my post above, you don’t read so good for a guy who claims to have been a professor. I didn’t say that Lopez was more valuable to the Knicks. Rather, I asked a question whether paying 50% more for Whiteside would be more valuable than keeping Lopez at $13 million/year and spending $7 million elsewhere. In other words, who would add more per dollar spent. Even though Whiteside might be a better player (if you ignore knuckleheadedness which I don’t think you should do) I’m not convinced that he’s 50% better.

    49. By the way, I just checked and according to one website, a Whiteside max contract would start at $23 million. So the question is whether he is worth almost 80% more than Lopez.

    50. Yes, Hassan Whiteside is worth 80% more than RoLo because you then get that money you have RoLo to use in a trade. RoLo and Melo are in the same boat to me; really good basketball players who have no use to the current Knicks’ team. RoLo is our best value and Melo is the guy who can bring our best haul in. You trade both of them and turn your team around in one season because they’ll net you young players and/or cap space. Now the reason I want Whiteside so bad is because he is one of the ten best basketball players in the NBA. It is not very often one of those guys is available and when they are you need to jump at that opportunity. You pay what you need to in order to get that guys prime years on your team because he’s a player you build a championship team around. Melo and RoLo are great 3rd and 4th players to have on a championship team. No matter how much they cost, you move them to make room for a true superstar (unless one has a NTC then you’re Phil Jacksknicks)

    51. listening to JVG and MJ talk about Drummond’s FT shooting is painful. it’s all about “toughness” and “figuring it out.” uh-huh, sure.

    52. sorry but I gotta

      http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-morning-news-monday-sep-10-2012/#comment-403679
      Frank wrote:

      So that means that in 2009 PAWS40 had a 60% miss rate.

      How is this a good system again? GMs are fired for making one or two bad high lottery picks.

      I’ve said it 100 times and I’ll say it again – just because a system can predict one or two Ty Lawsons doesn’t mean that it should be forgiven for predicting greatness for Nick Fazekas, Ahmad Nivins, Lester Hudson, Brian Zoubek, Hassan Whiteside, etc. Like Bill Clinton just said, even a broken clock is right 2x/day.

      This broken clock was right 3x a day.

      hehehehehehe

    53. I think I’ll add Lance Stephenson to my value free agent list. He’s performed well in the triangle before.

    54. if you are referring to my post above

      I believe he was referring to Totes McGoats’ comment from earlier.

    55. If we are going to sign players like Whiteside, we should have kept JR, Shumpert, Felton, and maybe even resigned Kenyon Martin. Whiteside is a talented knucklehead whose defense is overrated. He’s way better than 50% to melt down once he gets a big contract, especially in NY. If we sign him, we might as well start focusing on the 2020 rebuild because the next few years will already be screwed. Don’t people in NY ever learn? Unstable personalities can and often do become MAJOR problems for teams. You don’t pay big money for that kind of nonsense.

      I get it. I get it. He’s been a very productive player for Miami so far. But seriously, that would be such an idiotic move, I might become a Nets fan. He’s going to melt down almost anywhere other than Miami.

    56. @60 – if you are referring to my post above, you don’t read so good for a guy who claims to have been a professor. I didn’t say that Lopez was more valuable to the Knicks. Rather, I asked a question whether paying 50% more for Whiteside would be more valuable than keeping Lopez at $13 million/year and spending $7 million elsewhere. In other words, who would add more per dollar spent. Even though Whiteside might be a better player (if you ignore knuckleheadedness which I don’t think you should do) I’m not convinced that he’s 50% better.

      I wasn’t directing it at you, but okay:

      Whiteside is definitely worth spending 50% more on. Absolutely. No question. Why? Because Whiteside is far, far, far more rare than a player as productive as Lopez.

      I know this is a really challenging concept, but given the distribution of player ability, if there were a player A who had a TS% of 50% and another player B who had a TS% of 60%, player B wouldn’t be worth 20% more than player A. Player B would likely be worth much more than that, all else equal. Why? Because as you get further from the median, rarity increases exponentially. And Whiteside is great at, like, almost everything. If he were a Ben Wallace-like talent on offense, he’d still be worth a lot. But he’s an efficient scorer and can jump really, really high. He takes 35% more dunk attempts than the average center! That’s crazy! He’s productive and his productivity is rare. You pay exponentially more for players like him.

    57. I would be wary about Whiteside. He decided not show up during 4 years and now he is playing really good… I think we would get a Larry Sanders situation once he gets paid.

      Besides, we would get a frontcourt jam, and although RoLo has trade value, if we force a trade, we will probably end up on the losing end.

      I am a firm believer of the ‘culture thing’ and the best thing that can happen to this team is that RoLo and Porzingis play together for a long time. RoLo is just one year older than Whiteside, and our FA money would be more wisely spent on a young guard rotation.

    58. @74 — believe it or not, I understand the concept — and I agree with it. I’m just not sure that Whiteside is the elite top ten in the league type player that some people think that he is. I’m not saying he’s not. I’m just not sure that he is, so I’m not confident that he’s the right guy on whom the Knicks should tie up 25% of the salary cap, when they have a good player on a good contract who plays his position and another young guy who will grow into his position over the next few years.

    59. @76

      It’s okay to be skeptical, but if Whiteside is not a clear max player, I don’t know who is.

    60. @75
      To be fair to Whiteside part of the reason he was a no show was that he was recovering from an injury.

      Also, about him blowing up, It is not like he is playing in a small town.

      If people were willing to max out Batum why not be willing to max out Whiteside?

    61. Unlike Steph, Seth doesn’t pass and is a terrible defender. On the other hand, I’d immediately consider him the best guard on the Knick’s roster.

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