Knicks Morning News (2016.02.23)

  • [New York Daily News] Lionel Hollins: Knicks’ target Mike Conley will chase money (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 06:01:15 GMT)

    The narrative surrounding Mike Conley Jr.’s upcoming free agency is always prefaced with a caution of loyalty: “He can never leave Memphis.”

  • [New York Daily News] Kurt Rambis caught ‘liking’ porn tweet, Knicks blame hack (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 05:47:40 GMT)

    Coaching a basketball team isn’t the only thing Kurt Rambis doesn’t know how to do.

  • [New York Daily News] Jimmer plays in Knicks blowout loss, Melo calls team out (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 05:40:04 GMT)

    The only Jimmer Time was Garbage Time for an increasingly trashy product at the Garden.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Rambis Twitter incident is embarrass-Zen for Knicks (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 05:11:36 GMT)

    James Dolan probably misses the days when it was the won-loss record of a Knicks head coach that made him blush, not their Twitter accounts.

  • [New York Post] Fredette a hero to just about everyone except his coach (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 00:39:36 -0500)

    The upstate New York sharpshooter fulfilled "a dream'' Monday, officially signing a 10-day contract with the Knicks and being activated for their game against Toronto. Fredette debuted in the final two minutes and promptly hit a 3-pointer in the Knicks' 122-95 loss. In a telling remark, Rambis said, "A lot of that [decision to sign…

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Knicks Daily Links: Tuesday (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 05:41:43 EST)

    Knicks Daily Links: Tuesday

  • [New York Times] The Big 5-0: Warriors Fastest in NBA History to 50 Wins (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 08:03:41 GMT)

    Stephen Curry pumped a fist, wagged a finger and even gave a little shimmy with his shoulders.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Hand Suns Worst Loss of Dismal Season, 124-84 (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 06:12:40 GMT)

    J.J. Redick scored 22 points and the Los Angeles Clippers beat Phoenix 124-84 Monday night, handing the Suns their 12th consecutive loss overall and 15th in a row on the road.

  • [New York Times] Whiteside Remains an Enigma for Miami (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 06:00:27 GMT)

    Big man Hassan Whiteside continues to confound the Miami Heat by mixing in dominant performances with head-scratching mistakes that cloud his future with the team.

  • [New York Times] Dragic Scores 24, Heat Rally and Beat Pacers 101-93 in OT (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:57:40 GMT)

    Chris Bosh remained away from the team. Luol Deng had to put his own dislocated finger back into place. Dwyane Wade missed his first 10 shots. Beno Udrih departed in the first half with a right foot injury.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Warriors Post 50th Win, Beating the Hawks (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:55:42 GMT)

    Golden State took another step toward challenging the 72-victory season mark established by the 1995-96 Bulls, reaching 50 wins a game sooner than Chicago did.

  • [New York Times] Curry and Thompson Combine as Warriors Edge Out Hawks (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:51:27 GMT)

    Backcourt mates Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson scored a combined 63 points, and the Golden State Warriors blew a 23-point lead but came back to beat the Atlanta Hawks 102-92 Monday.

  • [New York Times] Curry Leads Warriors to 50th Win, 102-92 Over Hawks (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:48:53 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors reached 50 wins faster than any team in NBA history.

  • [New York Times] Whiteside Comes Off Bench to Fire Heat Past Pacers (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:48:27 GMT)

    Center Hassan Whiteside came off the bench to provide 19 points and 18 rebounds, leading the Miami Heat to a 101-93 overtime win over the Indiana Pacers on Monday night at AmericanAirlines Arena.

  • [New York Times] Raptors 122, Knicks 95: Knicks Summon Reinforcement but Fall Far Short of Raptors (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:39:13 GMT)

    Jimmer Fredette, who signed a 10-day contract with the Knicks, remained on the bench for much of the game. His only field-goal attempt cut Toronto’s lead to 21.

  • [New York Times] Buggin’ Out: Cavs’ Irving Was Bitten by Bed Bugs Before Game (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:15:47 GMT)

    Turns out, Kyrie Irving didn’t have a flu bug. He had bed bugs.

  • [New York Times] Towns, Timberwolves Outlast Celtics 124-122 (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:03:52 GMT)

    Karl-Anthony Towns had 28 points, 13 rebounds and four assists, and the Minnesota Timberwolves outlasted the Boston Celtics 124-122 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Beat Lakers 108-101 in Kobe’s Final Game in Milwaukee (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 03:51:50 GMT)

    Giannis Antetokounmpo had 27 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists, and the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Los Angeles Lakers 108-101 on Monday night in retiring star Kobe Bryant’s last trip to the Bradley Center.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Stop 5-Game Skid, Beat James, Sloppy Cavaliers 96-88 (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 03:33:41 GMT)

    The Pistons canceled a trade and then stopped LeBron James and the Cavaliers.

  • [New York Times] Lowry’s Triple-Double Helps Raptors Rout Knicks 122-95 (Tue, 23 Feb 2016 03:15:44 GMT)

    Kyle Lowry had 22 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists for his first triple-double of the season, DeMar DeRozan also scored 22 while becoming the winningest player in Raptors history, and Toronto beat the New York Knicks 122-95 on Monday night.

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    53 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.02.23)”

    1. I’ve been watching games the day after they air pretty loyally (been in South Africa for the past month and will be here until June), but unless Rambis rapidly changes course and incorporates things like Jacob’s suggestions from last night (Grant/Gallo backcourt, sometime for O’Quinn, at least letting us see what Jimmer can do, etc.) it’ll be increasingly difficult to justify. At this point I can get about 90% of what I want to see from games just by watching KP highlights, which doesn’t speak well of the team to say the least.

      It’s almost too bad we didn’t go full dumpster fire, or at least obviously so, until after the deadline. Maybe Melo would’ve forced his way out of here and we could have, like, a future plan and stuff.

    2. “Coaching a basketball team isn’t the only thing Kurt Rambis doesn’t know how to do.”

      Good one, Daily News.

    3. Curious about something. If the only name free agent willing to sign here was Mike Conley on a max deal, how many people here want to write that contract as opposed to making no big signings and just waiting out another year and/or hoping Melo thinks twice about his no-trade?

    4. Curious about something. If the only name free agent willing to sign here was Mike Conley on a max deal, how many people here want to write that contract as opposed to making no big signings and just waiting out another year and/or hoping Melo thinks twice about his no-trade?

      I like Conley but I don’t think he even makes us a .500 ball club let alone a title contender. Would much rather no big signings, except for Durant which won’t happen, and hope Melo waives his NTC.

    5. He’s a pretty good player but he’ll be 29 when next year starts. No max, definitely no 5 years max. Maybe 3, which probably won’t cut it. So no thanks. Find a couple of younger guys who can develop, which is really a good GM’s job.

    6. If I thought we would honestly commit to rebuilding if we missed on a guy like Conley then maybe I would hope for that. But at this point that just doesn’t seem to be an option that’s on anyone’s radar outside of this website. If we miss on Conley we will just see Phil sign (and trade) for more of the mid-tier triangle-friendly vets that we have seen the last two years in the misguided belief that the magical triangle (probably brought to you by Brian Shaw) will make them something they’re not.

      If the alternative is guys like Jason Smith, Seraphin, and Afflalo I’ll take my chances with Conley. Also regardless of whether it’s a smart long-term move it would be nice to watch competent PG play for the first time in a long time.

    7. So we have two guards who can at least kind of play defense (The G&G boys) and we have four guards who can’t play a lick of defense at all (I suppose this may be unfair to Jimmer). Just pair Jose and Galloway and Grant and Afflalo. Is that too simple? I mean, yeah, Grant sucks, but so do all the other options, and at least he’s got a shot at improving. We can’t play teams with 2 good back court players running out lineups with two guys who can’t guard anyone on the perimeter. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with this team sometimes because this shit isn’t very complicated. We still wouldn’t be good, but we’d definitely be better, and this is a team that is at least pretending they want to win games this season.

    8. Lowry-DeRozan vs. Calderon-Afflalo was a fight that should have been stopped before it even started. Probably the most dominant ass whuppin’ by a guard tandem I’ve seen in a long time, and that’s saying something considering the garbage we’ve run out there over the years at the guard position.

    9. What I don’t get about the Melo talk is this……say he waives his no trade. What do we honestly figure we are going to get back for him that is going to help us that much? maybe 1 first round pick and a rotation player? no team is going to over-pay for him, plus the salaries have to match. I don’t see how we are better off without him, especially in terms of luring in other stars.

      So, if you could have KP, either Batum or Conley and Melo, vs KP, either Batum or Conley, plus a late 1st round pick and the salary you took on for Melo, which is better? We’re not good w/ Melo, but I think we are even worse without him. trading him is a full out tank move

    10. Here’s my plan for next year.

      1. Sign a competent coach that is proven to improve players and get as much as possible of out of them defensively ( Tom Thibodeau).

      2. Scrap all this triangle nonsense and allow the coach to run the offense and defense as he sees fit.

      That alone will make this team as it stands close to a .500 ballclub. That’s how bad our coaching has been.

      3. Add a quality free agent to replace Calderon.

      4. Move Galloway to the starting lineup and use Afflalo as a scorer off the bench assuming he stays in NY.

      That makes us 45 win team.

      5. Send Porzingis to work out with Kareem and Hakeem to accelerate his development and efficiency around the basket (which needs improvement) .

      That makes us a 50 win team

      6. Go from there.

    11. no team is going to over-pay for him, plus the salaries have to match.

      With the cap going up by so much this offseason, matching salaries is now simple. Pretty much every team will have enough cap room that there doesn’t need to be matching salaries. They can just trade a couple of draft picks for Melo and absorb him into their cap room.

    12. Here’s my plan for next year.

      1. Sign a competent coach that is proven to improve players and get as much as possible of out of them defensively ( Tom Thibodeau).

      2. Scrap all this triangle nonsense and allow the coach to run the offense and defense as he sees fit.

      That alone will make this team as it stands close to a .500 ballclub. That’s how bad our coaching has been.

      3. Add a quality free agent to replace Calderon.

      4. Move Galloway to the starting lineup and use Afflalo as a scorer off the bench assuming he stays in NY.

      That makes us 45 win team.

      5. Send Porzingis to work out with Kareem and Hakeem to accelerate his development and efficiency around the basket (which needs improvement) .

      That makes us a 50 win team

      6. Go from there.

      How many of these do you actually think the Knicks will do? The slightest possibility that #3 gets done.

      Well #6 for sure…

    13. How many of these do you actually think the Knicks will do?

      I like Jackson for multiple reasons, but primarily because I’m old enough to remember him playing on those great Knicks teams. It’s starting to feel like the game has passed him by a little bit and he’s not flexible enough to adjust. It feels like he’s the old guy trying to protect the game he knew instead of embracing change and using the improved statistical information in better ways than everyone else. I’m hoping I’m wrong either about him or the triangle, but I don’t think so.

    14. Triangle shmiangle, this team just does not have the horses. The backcourt sucks and can’t guard anybody, the franchise player is aging and hobbled and was overrated to begin with and there are several rotation players getting regular minutes who should not be in the NBA. This whole season is just an exercise in treading water. Talent-wise the Knicks are miles behind the truly good teams in the league and there aren’t lots of ways to reduce that talent gap in the short run. This is basketball purgatory.

    15. I somewhat get the feeling based, in part, on the snippiness she used to have with Red Auerbach as he approached his # or championships, that Jackson wants to make sure all good things are seen as being due to him. I don’t really see him being like Riley and adapting based on the talent, opponent (“no rebounds, no rings”), and state of the game and rules. It may just be my latent dislike of him from when he was “Big Chief Triangle” talking but I wish I could see evidence to the contrary.

    16. Triangle shmiangle, this team just does not have the horses. The backcourt sucks and can’t guard anybody, the franchise player is aging and hobbled and was overrated to begin with and there are several rotation players getting regular minutes who should not be in the NBA. This whole season is just an exercise in treading water. Talent-wise the Knicks are miles behind the truly good teams in the league and there aren’t lots of ways to reduce that talent gap in the short run. This is basketball purgatory.

      Bad coaching philosophy – check
      Bad backcourt – check
      Bad “superstar” – check
      Bad rotation – check
      Bad roster – check
      Bad front office – missed
      Bad ownership – missed

      Although you got 6 out of 8, so I’m willing to say B/B+

    17. I have red flags with Thibs. I see no indicators that he’s learned any lessons from driving his starters into the ground in Chicago. Noah and Deng’s careers are ending prematurely. I am very protective of KP, as a mother bird would shelter her brood.

      Even if he’s an elite molder of defenses and offensively he’s more creative than he gets credit for — I am very uneasy about him.

    18. I mean, we won 17 games last season. We’re heading in the right direction. Not every 17 win team can add David Robinson. At some point thought (like next game) we just have to stop playing fucking Sasha-it is so pointless. Just give me that. He doesn’t help us win now and he’s not going to be helping us win tomorrow, so I just really do not get it.

    19. The Knicks cannot offer Conley (or any FA from another team) five years. Teams can only offer up to 4 years for other teams’ free agents.

    20. Ephus– you forgot to end your post with the obligatory “this is a good time to be a Knick fan”.

    21. “Mike Conley can never leave Memphis.” LeBron left Cleveland after winning 66 and 61 games, and then left Miami after a trip to the Finals. Anything can happen so long as the money is right. I honestly have no real interest in Conley considering the money he will command. His back-up, Mario Chalmers, is more intriguing to me. He’s having a career year, can play defense, and can get into the lane. I’d offer him a 2 year deal with the 2nd being a player option and hope he bites at that. Imagine if we got Batum at $20 million a year and then Chalmers on the Afflalo contract? Chalmers, Batum, and Galloway would be such a refreshing back court to watch compared to this Calderon/Afflalo crap I’m being subjected to.

      Oh, and if you ever feel too bad about our guards, remember the Oklahoma City Thunder TRADED for Randy Foye and Dion Waiters. They don’t just pay those guys actual currency, but they gave up Lance Thomas, Steve Novak, and DJ Augustin for the right to do that.

    22. What free agent other than Pau would want to play in the Bermuda Triangle, where a player’s offense enters and vanishes? More important, it’s less a personnel issue than a system/rotations one. I think we are at least as good as every team in the EC except Cavs and Raptors but the system and rotations have killed us.

      The lineup Grant/Galloway/KP/Melo/Lopez has played only 17 minutes together and held opponents to a .600 ppp in that limited sample. When Grant/Galloway share the court (600+ minutes), the opposing teams’ efg/TS%/2FG%/3FG% is almost exactly that of the Spurs’ opponents. More minutes for Grant/Gallo/Lance and fewer for Calderon, Vujacic, Afflalo would improve our D.

      On offense, we hear grumblings that many players on the team are confused as to what they should be doing in the offense. Is it any wonder that confusion affects Grant’s shooting and productivity? Remember he played damn well in the first few games on that high PnR second unit. That’s the knock against the Triangle – it’s learning curve and overall suitability. It’s fine if Kobe or MJ is doing the reading and reacting or you’re executing the offense through post players such as Pau, Bynum, Shaq. But what happens when you don’t have those type of players?

      In many ways, we have better spread PnR personnel than we did in 2012-13 when we finished 3rd in offensive efficiency. Lopez could set the primary pick for Melo/Grant and KP spot up; the benefit is that we have both KP and Lopez on defense. Spread offenses often suffer on the defensive side, but that shouldn’t happen here because of KP’s flexibility. Of course, we would need a coach who could add more dimensions to the offense but …well…Phil…Rambis

    23. Herring rt’d a chart showing the change from year in net rating (Ortg+Drtg), and the Knicks are the most improved team in basketball. I know the team still stinks, and I think firing Fish during the season may prove to be a blunder, but this team is much better than last years, and aside from the stupid Melo deal isn’t tied to any bad contracts long term. And flaming out may come with the benefit of having Melo wave his NTC.

    24. In many ways, we have better spread PnR personnel

      We got one dude who can shoot, and he makes Steve Novak look like Bruce Bowen at the other end.

    25. Comparing hte team to last season is ridiculous. The only other teams that won anywhere near as few games as the Knicks had the integrity to stick to a long term plan of developing young players rather than chasing middling free agents and signing contracts optimized for short term gains. Then there’s the fact that the Knicks sat Melo most of the season.

      The team should be compared to 13/14, which had the exact same goals as this year’s team — win as much as possible — and was a major disappointment. Freed from $35m invested in Bargnani, Stoudemire, Felton and Smith and with a top draft pick and extra cap money from the cap jump, Jackson’s Knicks look worse than that disappointment of a team.

    26. Going into the 13/14 season people here thought we were going to win 50+ games, Max. Remember shoenegate? This year it looks like the Knicks are gonna do about as well as people thought they’d do. Granted, we don’t have young studs like Wiggins and Lavine or Okafor, but we’ve been asset strapped for a long while. It’s hard to build around youngsters with no picks and no assets to get picks. I’m not happy with where the Knicks are, but we’re okay long term moving forward, and that’s a significant improvement

    27. In many ways, we have better spread PnR personnel

      We got one dude who can shoot, and he makes Steve Novak look like Bruce Bowen at the other end.

      I was referring to Grant/Galloway/Lance/Afflalo/Melo/KP/Lopez/KOQ being better overall – offense and defense – than the 2012-13 team (that team ranked 18th in defense). Certainly KP>>>>>>Novak and Lance > JR on defense. Plus our offense could be more diverse since Lopez is more versatile than Tyson and KP more so than any other player on that team. Spread PnR is more a set than a system; my beef is that we rarely deploy it since Triangle doesn’t use sets per se. If we used it more, Grant and our offense would be more productive and our defense would be better as well. Unlike the 2012-13 team, we wouldn’t have to rely on it as much since KP and Lopez give us other options to build a more complete offense which would include cutting, off-ball screens, post-ups and so on. But we have to shift from a fluid read and react offense to one which features more sets and play calling.

    28. After reading the informed and mostly depressing commentary above and adding that to my own observations of where the Knicks are and what is possible moving forward, all I can say is :

      “this is a good time to be a Knick fan”.

    29. I’m willing to consider any evidence showing that there’s a less mediocre Knicks team that can be unleashed through a change in system/playing time, but there’s absolutely no way this team could win 54 games. Yo, KD, we aren’t going to sign you since we can just switch to some spread pnr sets and get the same results

    30. Just saw a guy on reddit.com/r/knicks say that Durant is only marginally better than Carmelo, and the only reason Durant has double the win shares is because his team has more wins. So logically, Durant has more win shares. But is not a great improvement over Carmelo. Because Durant’s team has more wins. So he has more win shares.

      I just can’t, guys

      I can’t

    31. I think Bleacher Report has better minds

      and yeah I’m still free to read and troll the subreddits

      r/warriors does not like my opinions on Mo Speights

    32. Here’s a thought experiment: imagine that 2012-13 team playing the Triangle offense. Do you think they would have won 54 games?

    33. AlphakirA
      8 points 6 hours ago
      Since Lou cut his hair we’ve gone 7-15, you do the math

      This dude is onto something.

    34. I like r/nba for highlights/league news/dank memes/shitposting.

      r/warriors did give us “Speights Yam” but have fun trying to take down any traditional sports narrative sacred cows with a voting-based discussion system.

    35. I’m watching Wiz/Pellies. Some bigman checked in for NO and I was like “I thought Tractor Traylor was dead”? Turns out Kendrick Perkins been eating a lot of gumbo

    36. Here’s a thought experiment: imagine that 2012-13 team playing the Triangle offense. Do you think they would have won 54 games?

      isnt this counterfactual proposition totally impossible to evaluate and pretty much asking one to insert a number that is little more than an arbitrary guess? My guess would be that we won less than 54 games with the triangle that year, but it didn’t happen, so we can’t use that as evidence against the triangle even if the intuition seems (dubiously) compelling.

      Just saw a guy on reddit.com/r/knicks say that Durant is only marginally better than Carmelo, and the only reason Durant has double the win shares is because his team has more wins. So logically, Durant has more win shares. But is not a great improvement over Carmelo. Because Durant’s team has more wins. So he has more win shares.

      That’s some sub-Ruru level reasoning right there. Pretty impressive honestly.

    37. I cannot see Arron Afflalo thriving in a system that requires he shoot more line drive three pointers. I cannot see Arron Afflalo thriving in any system that honestly doesn’t involve Chris Paul’s passing him a ball with nobody within ten feet of him. Jose Calderon, Lance Thomas, Derrick Williams, Melo, Porzingis, Lopez, Galloway, and Grant would probably make a pretty good up tempo team, but Melo and Calderon are both on the wrong side of thirty and would need somebody else to push the ball up court.

      I bet we’d be a playoff team if we had Pablo Prigioni.

    38. Afflalo is shooting 38% from 3pt range this season. I wish he shot more line drive 3pters as opposed to his usual line drive post-up fadeaways and mid-range jumpers.

    39. It doesn’t seem like they should go in, but they do. Afflalo’s problems aren’t with his shooting. He the most efficient of our high output shooters-it’s the rest of his game that’s problematic.

    40. That’s some sub-Ruru level reasoning right there. Pretty impressive honestly.

      I love ruruland’s reasoning. It sounds really, really good. But the base-level assumptions — that Carmelo is anything but a mid-level volume scorer and good rebounder — make his reasoning totally dumb.

      The r/knicks thing was just a total inattention to causality. Okay, I guess that’s a lot like ruruland.

    41. It doesn’t seem like they should go in, but they do. Afflalo’s problems aren’t with his shooting. He the most efficient of our high output shooters-it’s the rest of his game that’s problematic.

      As in he’s not a good passer, defender or rebounder. There are long stretches of games where you don’t even know he’s on the court, the opposite of a guy who does the “little things” to help you win.

    42. @dred

      Relative to outsiders’ expectations for this team, you’re absolutely right, but if you’re going to judge how well a person’s done, you start with what they started with, which was essentially the 13/14 team, and see what he made it into.

      If I said to the 2014 version of Dred that Jackson was going to go 90% after the win now route with a few small moves that suggested he had some awareness of the future, but that the team would finish (probably) bottom three in the east in each of the next two seasons, how would the younger you think PJ did?

      In other words, the low expectations this season are a result of Jackson’s failures.

    43. I didn’t like Jackson’s approach for this season, as I think a full rebuild was a better approach, but at the same time, his approach last season did end up with them getting Porzingis. Call it luck or whatever, they still are better set up then they’ve been in decades due to getting Porzingis. So that’s something!

    44. I’ve wanted the Knicks to blow it up since the clock ran out game on six against Indiana. The 13/14 team had some talent, but it was going nowhere. To get from there to here isn’t great, but Phil’s ‘win now’ moves have not hamstrung us for the future. Do I think the Knicks could be better right now? Sure. Much better? I have my doubts-this team was in horrible shape when Phil took over.

    45. The lineup Grant/Galloway/KP/Melo/Lopez has played only 17 minutes together

      This is to me the biggest indictment of Fish as a coach. How could that possibly be? I’m not going to damage my brain by searching lineups with Sasha in them, but I’m certain you’d find a few with him instead of Grant getting more than 17 minutes. I doubt Rambis has any more of a clue, but this team should be doing better, and it isn’t because of the fucking triangle.

      “This is a good time to be a DRed fan.”

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