Knicks Morning News (2016.02.10)

  • [New York Times] Curry Leads Warriors Past Rockets for 42nd Straight Home Win (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:30:34 GMT)

    Stephen Curry and the Golden State starters got a big boost from their bench.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Down Rockets for 42nd Straight Home Win (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:21:30 GMT)

    Forward Harrison Barnes scored 10 of his 19 points during a 17-5 run to open the fourth quarter as the Golden State Warriors exploded from a tie after three periods into a 123-110 victory over the Houston Rockets on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Hayward Lifts Jazz Over Mavs 121-119 in OT for 7th Straight (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:42:42 GMT)

    Gordon Hayward and the Utah Jazz now have a win that coach Quin Snyder views as validation for the hot streak his young team is enjoying.

  • [New York Times] Wall, Wizards Ruin Rambis’ Knicks Debut With 111-108 Win (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:01:26 GMT)

    The Washington Wizards put the New York Knicks in the same kind of hole under Kurt Rambis they kept falling into under Derek Fisher.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge Scores 28 and Spurs Run Away From Heat, 119-101 (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 04:31:25 GMT)

    Within seven points early in the fourth quarter, the Miami Heat had reason to believe they could knock off the San Antonio Spurs.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies’ Spanish Center Gasol Out Indefinitely With Broken Foot (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 04:24:27 GMT)

    A bad week for the Memphis Grizzlies got worse on Tuesday with the news that All-Star center Marc Gasol will be out “indefinitely” with a broken right foot.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: 7-Point Possession Helps Spurs Trounce Heat (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 04:23:20 GMT)

    Leading, 87-80, San Antonio benefited from a flagrant-2 foul on Miami’s Hassan Whiteside to put the game away.

  • [New York Times] Middleton’s Free Throw Lifts Bucks Over Celtics 112-111 (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 04:06:47 GMT)

    Khris Middleton made one of two free throws with 0.6 seconds left and the Milwaukee Bucks defeated the Boston Celtics 112-111 in improbable fashion on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Snap Losing Streak With Win Over Celtics (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 04:03:29 GMT)

    Khris Middleton’s free throw with 0.6 seconds left saved the Milwaukee Bucks from overtime and snapped a five-game losing streak with a 112-111 victory over the Boston Celtics at the Bradley Center.

  • [New York Times] Wizards 111, Knicks 108: Knicks Fall to Wizards in Kurt Rambis’s Debut as Coach (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 03:57:42 GMT)

    The Knicks fought back from a 16-point first-half deficit and set up an open look in the closing seconds. Langston Galloway’s shot clanged off the rim, however, sealing a sixth straight loss.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Carmelo Anthony in Limbo (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 02:15:09 GMT)

    The coach has just been fired. Anthony is hurting. The team is mired in a deep slump. For the Knicks, the situation is normal.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Gasol Out Indefinitely With Broken Right Foot (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 00:37:42 GMT)

    Grizzlies center Marc Gasol is out indefinitely with a broken bone in his right foot after an MRI exam found the fracture earlier Tuesday.

  • [New York Daily News] Kurt Rambis takes loss in debut as Knicks coach (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:58:30 GMT)

    Kurt Rambis ran through a growing to-do list on his first game night as interim coach of the Knicks.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks fall to Wizards, 111-108, as Melo puts faith in Phil (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:48:40 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony made his bed and took the money from Phil Jackson.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Phil Jackson needs to think of coach outside triangle (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:27:31 GMT)

    Phil Jackson went back to tweeting cryptic messages just one day after sending out mix signals regarding the dismissal of Derek Fisher.

  • [New York Daily News] A look at how past Knicks head coaches fared in their debuts (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 02:11:42 GMT)

    For more than two decades now, the New York Knicks have been inundated with instability.

  • [New York Post] Knicks on Fisher firing: From ‘B.S.’ to ‘I didn’t see it coming’ (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 01:58:18 -0500)

    A somber Carmelo Anthony claimed he didn't see Derek Fisher's firing coming, nor did he want it to come, and made references to "politics'' and "B.S.'' The shock echoed across the subdued Knicks locker room one day after the team lost its coach in a sudden firing after a 1-9 skid entering Tuesday's Washington game…

  • [New York Post] Ex-Phil Jackson player ‘intrigued’ about Knicks’ coaching job (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 01:06:21 -0500)

    Brian Shaw currently is doing commentary for NBA TV, but his eye isn't too far from the Knicks situation. According to a friend, Shaw will be "intrigued'' if the Knicks' head-coaching job officially opens up after the season. Knicks president Phil Jackson talks to a lot of his former players and has done so with…

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Will Phil Jackson expand his search beyond triangle candidates? (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 02:38:31 EST)

    Will Phil Jackson expand his search beyond triangle candidates?

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Kristaps Porzingis shocked by Derek Fisher firing (Wed, 10 Feb 2016 01:12:33 EST)

    Kristaps Porzingis shocked by Derek Fisher firing

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    57 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.02.10)”

    1. Thoughts on last night.

      1. The fact that there was no new coach bump, even for a night, is a bit ominous. The Knicks looked pretty much like they have the last 10-12 games or so, as many of us noted and darkly joked about in the game thread.

      2. At the same time, however, Phil is right that it will take some time for Rambis to have any serious effect (if indeed he ends up ever having a positive effect). It still kind of surprised me that OQ and Grant are so deep in the doghouse, though. If they want to stress D, they cannot give Seraphin many minutes.

      3. Maybe it is a good thing for the Knicks to continue to lose so that Phil is more likely to sell before the 18th. No, they probably cannot make any major deals, but I’d think that AA or D-Will might at least yield a 2nd rounder or something, since they are likely to opt out anyways. Dumping AA would at least assure that we don’t have to deal with his bipolar play next year. Or, take a flyer on someone else’s headache? I don’t like Lawson, but if Houston is willing to dump him for Calderon, that would at least clear $7+ million more for the offseason.

    2. The terrible thing is that it seems only a few KP highlights can energize the team. Other than that, they’re completely listless on the floor.

    3. Rambis shows us the way! Grant, KOQ and Lou rode the pine which means one of them is the next Kevin Love. Great news….BUT… we’re in win now mode because Phil wants the team to make the playoffs before he loads up the van, pops in a Grateful Dead 8track, lights up a doobie and hits the road this summer for the City of Angels leaving the Devil Dolan in his rear view mirror. And that means Grant/KOQ are being traded to Hawks for Teague which means we will have traded Timmy/Jerian/Kevin for a declining Teague. Now that’s Knicksy! Hey wait, there’s hope… maybe Lou is the real Kevin Love…possible…nah….

    4. I’m tempted to say that Melo playing 39 minutes was his way of shouting to the Clippers’ chief surgeon: HEY DOC, LOOK I’M HEALTHY!! But Cronin and Melo have some sort of mind meld and if Brian’s sayin’ he’s stayin’, then he’s stayin’…just sayin’. Man I wish Melo would look at his watch collection because they all have the same time: time to join the Clippers to make the chip try in the next couple of years. I must stop allowing my mind to drift envisioning a scenario where we end up with Jokic/Mudiay/Barton/Gallo for Melo/Lopez in some 4-team trade.

    5. I really hope the Knicks don’t end up trading Grant + KOQ for a one year Jeff Teague rental as the cap rises; can we ever just keep *and* play and *develop* our rookies? Or are we forever doomed by some cosmic entity to be a shitty, win-now franchise?

      I almost wish we didn’t have that 54 win season, because I think it fooled our front office at the time (and subsequently Phil) that we can build a contender if only we were to get the right free agency pieces for Melo. That is demonstrably false; that 54 win team was destined for a 2nd round or ECF exit.

      Our franchise is so dysfunctional that winning for one season has literally hamstrung us for the next 2-3 years with the Bargs trade and Phil’s delusions of contention (if my diagnosis is correct.)

    6. I almost wish we didn’t have that 54 win season, because I think it fooled our front office at the time (and subsequently Phil) that we can build a contender if only we were to get the right free agency pieces for Melo. That is demonstrably false; that 54 win team was destined for a 2nd round or ECF exit.

      This is an odd statement. Seeing that there have never been the right free agency pieces except who Tyson Chandler. This is a false statement. Every trade and signing since that season was terrible except for Lopez

    7. Watching the replay of the game and you know what? I really do still believe that Randy Wittman is a worse coach than Kurt Rambis. How are you pressuring in the backcourt on the final play, leaving Galloway wide open?

    8. Afflalo was also wide open on that play.

      Good point. I mean, I guess I have to give him credit for the small ball lineup with Dudley at the 4, but that seems more like he copied it from Jason Kidd and other, better coaches more than it was an innovative approach by Wittman.

    9. I hope Rambis reads Herring:

      Porzingis, for one, is lethal when left alone in pick-and-pop scenarios behind the arc. He even said the other day that the Knicks “need to do that a little more,” referring to pick-and-rolls late in games. And among players with at least 25 shot attempts coming off screens this season, Carmelo Anthony is the NBA’s most efficient player, scoring nearly 1.4 points per play while shooting 62.9%, according to NBA.com.

    10. Phil isn’t leaving this off season. If he was then why fire Fisher now? why not just let his friend ride it out, get paid and then leave this summer?

      Also, how is Jeff Teague on the decline?

    11. This is an odd statement. Seeing that there have never been the right free agency pieces except who Tyson Chandler.

      I’m talking about the acquisitions before and during the 54 win season like Kidd, Camby, Thomas, Felton, Sheed, K-Mart etc. (and of course Chandler.)

      None of them besides Chandler were particularly good but they helped the team enough that it (in my opinion–this is speculation of course) fooled the FO into thinking they can build a contender through free agency around Melo. Phil has that delusion too. I like Melo, but there’s only two ways to win a chip: have Lebron on your team, or build through the draft (or draft a single superstar.) Phil doesn’t think so, unfortunately.

    12. Bargnani. I don’t know that these tracking stats are super useful. Melo’s taken 36 shots off screens this year.

    13. “It’s tough,” Anthony said. “At night when I kind of wrap my brain around it and put everything into perspective as far as how many coaches I’ve been through since being here, how many players, how many different teammates I've been through since being here. You try to find some type of consistency when it comes to that, but, like I said, the business of basketball is a tough business.”

      Good luck recruiting top free agents with this kind of accurate perspective.

    14. If I was Grant I would ask for a trade.

      If I was good PG on any other team I would never come to NY.

      This is a now a PG centric league. On a lot of teams, the PG dominates the ball and creates shots for himself or others with penetration and P&R action. That’s how you pile up points and assists and ultimately get paid. Playing in this system will stifle Grant’s growth and keep him from reaching whatever peak compensation level he could eventually achieve playing elsewhere. I’m not even sure who out there we could get next year that makes sense. We’d have to find a PG stupid enough to not recognize coming to NY would be a mistake (Rondo is certainly not), but smart enough to pick up the triangle and still be productive.

    15. I can sleep well tonight, Wojo says we have a “real chance” of convincing Westbrook to come to NY in 2017.

      To quote Dumb and Dumber: “So you’re saying there’s a chance?”

    16. I think Grant is being hindered more by his utter inability to put the ball in the hoop than any triangular stuff

    17. That’s why I am against going after a PG really. I could see if there was another George Hill type Pg out there but there is not. The knicks need wings and bigs who can create and a guard who can defend PGs. They are letting Gallo handle PG duties because he is short but he is a 2-guard. Why not try to make a taller 2 guard into your point. You need someone with size any to make all of the entry passes in the post easier any way.

      Instead of Trice and Jimmer they should have been experimenting with this in their D-league affiliate.

    18. I think Grant is being hindered more by his utter inability to put the ball in the hoop than any triangular stuff

      Clearly, he’s not shooting well, but part of the reason is that he’s operating within a system that is not designed to maximize what he’s good at. Put him on the current 76ers and people would be talking about what a steal he was in the draft. He’d have some highlight nights. He’s a much better player than Ish Smith is right now.

    19. Not sure if it’s been written about, but maybe Dolan fired Fisher because they lost to the Nuggets, and the loss put the Knicks behind Denver, thus reminding him that before he mails his 2016 pick to Toronto, Denver’s gonna swap it out for their own. To still be swapping picks for the Anthony deal only means one thing: the Knicks still suck, all these years later…

    20. That’s why I am against going after a PG really.

      If they are going to run this idiotic system all they need is a PG that can defend all the elite hyper athletic PGs in the league at an above average level. He must also be a willing and competent passer and be able to hit an open shot. Calderon passes on 2 of 3, but he’s horrible defensively.

    21. @22 I think you’re probably wrong and that Grant is unlikely to be an nba player on offense in any system without some better than base case shooting improvement. I like his defense but I think we are overrating him as a prospect here. He’s older than Beal. Still better than Sasha though.

    22. I don’t think Calderon is a competent passer in this system. Just like he eats open shots with the slowest pump fake ever he eats passing opportunities. He misses so many PnR passing windows, over the top lobs, and skip passing opportunities. His size also hurts his entry passing into the post. He also does a poor job recognizing mismatches. There are times KP have a small on him with good position and he doesn’t pass him the ball, Lopez too. Right now he is just someone who swings the ball for the most part.

    23. Jerian Grant has better court vision than most other guards and he throws laser passes. He had 3 dimes in 11 minutes the last game he played and would have had 5 if Seraphin hadn’t fumbled a pass to him right under the basket and Galloway hadn’t missed a wide open 8 ft shot. He plays decent defense. He’s not Wall but he’s fast enough to penetrate and is a decent finisher. Most of what I’ve read says he was a good shooter in college which is why I wouldn’t be too worried long-term once he’s more comfortable in a system where his role is better defined. The Triangle is suffocating his game making an already steep learning curve at his position that much more difficult.

      Strat is right. Remember his play on the second unit when they didn’t execute the Triangle at the beginning of the season? That’s how he’d be on the Nuggets. His WS/48 was like .140 during that stretch. He might not be the best fit for this system but then maybe the real problem is the system since many other players seem to be confused by it as well.

    24. I am totally fine playing Jerian Grant. I think we should play Jerian Grant. But he sucks right now, and it’s not the system. He can’t score from anywhere on the court but the free throw line. His 3pt % is sub 15. Do you think he’d be torching the nets if someone set more picks?

    25. Do you think he’d be torching the nets if someone set more picks?

      If that’s what he did in college, yes. Wasn’t he regarded as one of the premiere PnR guards in college? The KP/Grant PnR is better than Felton/Amare at the same stage but Grant/KP rarely get any minutes playing together though more of late. How about giving him minutes with the starters (like Mudiay gets and who’s been improving over time)? Is Calderon so great that’s too much of a sacrifice? The rest of this season should be about developing KP/Grant/Galloway/Lance.

    26. One of the most annoying aspects of this season is that if you’re looking to win right now, Sasha, shitty as he might be, is slightly less shitty than Grant, at this exact point in time, with the Triangle in play, etc. However, slightly improving the team in the short term is idiotic when it means not developing a first round draft pick in favor of a guy who is at the end of his shitty career! This team – it makes no sense!! They’re more concerned about making the playoffs this year than developing their young players, and they’re even bad at that ill-conceived goal!

    27. I could sort of understand not playing Jerian before everything went all pear shaped, but yeah, we should definitely be playing him now.

    28. Totally agree about Grant, what exactly is the point in giving Sasha minutes? Because he hits an occasional 3 pointer? At this point we’re not making the playoffs anyway, so let Grant find his way (and maybe his shot if we’re lucky)

      (Oh, and also please play O’Quinn and not Seraphin while we’re at it)

    29. That makes sense from a GM point of view but not from a Rambis point of view. And I don’t mean to suggest that Rambis wrong in his point of view. Fisher got fired for not generating enough wins, Jackson is talking about getting better for the rest of the season, and Rambis is undoubtedly hoping to do well enough in the rest of the season to be a head coach with the Knicks or maybe somewhere else next season. Rambis’s job now is clearly to get as many wins as possible, not to develop players at the expense of wins. So there is no way he’ll let Grant find his way if Sasha is playing even marginally better than Grant. It probably means more minutes for Melo too.

      This is the way that pro basketball usually works but it’s depressing for me. What’s doubly depressing is that it seems from the forum comments on the way the game ran last night that maybe Fisher was fired because he was too much his own man, not for the opposite reason. But it’s very hard to tell if that’s the case with the data we have so far. The firing did come at a good time for Rambis to make at least modest changes because of all the days off for the all-star break. I hope he can do something to make us play better after the break, but I am not holding my breath.

    30. Jerian Grant didn’t have great college numbers. I am all for giving him a shot and trying to develop him. I certainly don’t want Sasha out there instead of him out of some cockamamie notion we might make the playoffs that way.

      But I really don’t think he looks like an NBA player. Mostly because the defense isn’t there. If I thought me might end up as a Tony Allen type I could perhaps be persuaded. But so far he looks bad on defense and earthshatteringly awful on offense.

    31. So far Grant is having a worse season than Tim Hardaway Jr ever had by almost any metric you choose.

      And they have the same age.

      Think about that for a second.

    32. Last season Timmy was playing the wrong role on a team with a clownish obsession with installing an outdated offense he was being taught by an idiot. This year he is on a good team with veteran leaders, a great coach and a sophisticated, modern system-and guess what? He still fucking sucks

    33. So far Grant is having a worse season than Tim Hardaway Jr ever had by almost any metric you choose.

      And they have the same age.

      Think about that for a second.

      Thanks :(

    34. That would be an unreal coup

      If only Phil were Hinkie…

      Is it unreal?

      I think LA is at the point where they’d consider it, no? Lowe already wrote about the possibility.

      And I think Boston would do it in a heartbeat.

      Phil is probably the one guy who would balk, honestly.

    35. Or we could just run Melo into the ground because we have a 5% chance at the 8 seed and destroy any future value for him.

      That works, too.

    36. So far Grant is having a worse season than Tim Hardaway Jr ever had by almost any metric you choose.

      That’s true for scoring metrics, but not for assists. Grant has a 23.5% Assist percentage while Hardaway’s is 9.6%

    37. I think the 54 win season didn’t fool the front office into thinking they were real good, I think the opposite happened. They though that team was a fluke and that playing Melo at PF and shooting alot of 3pters was fool’s gold. Which of course now all the good teams play small and shoot alot of 3pters. The front office and coaching staff essentially lucked themselves that season into a winning formula that works in today’s NBA and ever since then they have been trying to get as far away from that formula as possible and hence they have been horrible since.

    38. I have no idea whether Grant will end up being any good or not, but he does need to play. It is silly to keep benching him in favor of Sasha. Ignore his stats so far…he’s not getting anything close to consistent minutes to build up a meaningful set of stats. Very true that he’s shot like crap…but he needs to play, even if just 10 lousy minutes a game.

      After the break we’ll really see what, if anything, Rambis intends to do differently than Fisher. Last night he did pretty much nothing different (other than take out Seraphin to play with for a night), and he LOST.

    39. I think the 54 win season didn’t fool the front office into thinking they were real good, I think the opposite happened. They though that team was a fluke and that playing Melo at PF and shooting alot of 3pters was fool’s gold. Which of course now all the good teams play small and shoot alot of 3pters. The front office and coaching staff essentially lucked themselves that season into a winning formula that works in today’s NBA and ever since then they have been trying to get as far away from that formula as possible and hence they have been horrible since.

      I think we also underestimate how important solid leadership in the locker room is too. Once guys like Kidd, Thomas, Sheed and even Martin moved on, there wasn’t much keeping that team together. I feel we have the bones of a team that has that good cohesion in the locker room, but that’s obvioulsy not enough to close out a game.

      Biggest job for Rambis is obviously getting that consistency over 4 quarters. This team has showed a lot of heart fighting back into games all season only to fall at the last hurdle. Maybe it’s a matter of preparation? Certainly this middle 3rd of the season seems to have flipped with the first third, in that we aren’t starting well, but coming together after the half. Thank christ for the break though. I don’t think any team needed it more than the Knicks.

    40. After the break we’ll really see what, if anything, Rambis intends to do differently than Fisher. Last night he did pretty much nothing different (other than take out Seraphin to play with for a night), and he LOST.

      Yes, like I said after last night’s game, there’s something darkly hilarious about dumping your coach because the team plays a certain way and then the first game of your new coach…they play the exact same way.

    41. @22 I think you’re probably wrong and that Grant is unlikely to be an nba player on offense in any system without some better than base case shooting improvement. I like his defense but I think we are overrating him as a prospect here. He’s older than Beal. Still better than Sasha though.

      No one is saying he’d be a high level player right away or ever.

      He’s a player that belongs on a team that plays at a fast pace so he can get some easier baskets in transition and use his play making skills along side some athletic players. In the half court he should be running a lot of P&Rs where he can use his play making skills and also penetrate and create some havoc. In our system, he can’t do any of that stuff. That’s why I am saying if I were him I’d want out. Whatever level represents his “reality” it is understated in NY and would be more apparent on a team like the 76ers etc… His assists and TS% would both rise and he’d get a chance to develop the skills he does have.

    42. Last season Timmy was playing the wrong role on a team with a clownish obsession with installing an outdated offense he was being taught by an idiot. This year he is on a good team with veteran leaders, a great coach and a sophisticated, modern system-and guess what? He still fucking sucks

      Hardaway is not a good or smart player in a variety of ways. Grant has skills that need to be developed. They will not be developed in NY playing the triangle.

    43. Galloway should be the starting PG. He’s not really a PG, but we don’t really need a traditional PG in the system we are trying to play. Galloway can defend and he also rebounds well for a guard.

      Once KP gets a little stronger and can play C (where he belongs), we can trade Lopez. Lopez still has good trade value. We can fill a hole in the starting lineup by trading him. KP cannot defend some of the smaller more athletic PFs in the league and it will only get worse as he gains weight. He has to eventually become a C.

    44. lol we’re sitting here talking about Grant vs. Hardaway like the answer isn’t they’re both fucking awful at NBA basketball

    45. Damn, former Knick Monty Williams’ wife died in a car accident. They had five children, ranging from 5 years old to 17. That’s awful.

    46. I have a bad feeling that Grant has no shot this year of developing on the court due to Rambis’s myopic need for wins. Hopefully, someone off the court is helping him with developing his shot, defense, and PNR skills.

      If Blatt does come to this team, I do have faith in development. The guy is a proven coach with lots of championships and experience with young players. I really hope he is hired, and allowed to coach effectively by Phil, Melo, the media, etc.

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