Knicks Morning News (2016.02.04)

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Carmelo should consider asking Knicks for a trade (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 03:21:16 GMT)

    Wait until Carmelo Anthony finds out that Derek Fisher won’t be disappointed if the Knicks fail to make the playoffs.

  • [New York Post] Kristaps Porzingis itching to play with Spanish League pal (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 04:18:39 -0500)

    If Kristaps Porzingis made the call, he would have his Spanish League buddy, center Willy Hernangomez, on his side next season. No, the Knicks don't have a first-round pick this June — unless you consider the potential arrival of 6-foot-11, 255-pound Hernangomez next season as that guy. On the night the Knicks drafted Porzingis last…

  • [New York Times] Durant Puts Free Agency Talk on Back Burner to Sink Magic (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 08:12:27 GMT)

    Kevin Durant turned the conversation back to the court and away from his impending free agency with a final-second jump shot that lifted the Oklahoma City Thunder to a 117-114 victory over Orlando Magic on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Wolves Beat Clippers 108-102, Snapping 14-Game Skid (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 06:33:45 GMT)

    Andrew Wiggins scored 31 points, Zach LaVine added 17 and the Minnesota Timberwolves defeated the Clippers 108-102 on Wednesday night, snapping a 14-game skid with their first win over Los Angeles at Staples Center in nearly four years.

  • [New York Times] Pacers 114, Nets 100: Nets Mount Third-Quarter Charge but Fall to Pacers (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 06:06:58 GMT)

    Thaddeus Young posted his 22nd double-double of the season, but the Nets, who trailed by 62-43 at halftime, lost their fifth straight.

  • [New York Times] Moore Has Career Night in Place of Butler as Bulls Top Kings (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 06:00:57 GMT)

    E’Twaun Moore scored a career-high 24 points while starting in place of injured Jimmy Butler, and the Chicago Bulls overcame a sloppy finish to beat the Sacramento Kings 107-102 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Derrick Favors Powers Jazz to 85-81 Win Over Nuggets (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 05:09:40 GMT)

    Derrick Favors had 16 points, 10 rebounds and six blocked shots to power the Utah Jazz over the Denver Nuggets 85-81 Wednesday night, extending their season-best winning streak to four games.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Warriors Hold Off Wizards as Curry Pours in 51 Points (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 05:08:15 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors pulled away to beat the Wizards, 134-121, on Wednesday night in Washington for their eighth straight victory.

  • [New York Times] Curry Lights Up Wizards for Warriors’ 8th Straight Win (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 05:06:41 GMT)

    Following one of his worst offensive games this season, reigning NBA MVP Stephen Curry stopped thinking about basketball and recalibrated his mind. It worked out just fine.

  • [New York Times] Durant’s Buzzer-Beater Lifts Thunder Over Magic, 117-114 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 04:57:50 GMT)

    With the ball in Kevin Durant’s hands in the final seconds, Oklahoma City coach Billy Donovan didn’t call a timeout. Instead, he let one of his superstars do his thing.

  • [New York Times] Red-Hot Curry Helps Warriors Run Through Wizards (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 04:24:30 GMT)

    Stephen Curry scored 25 of his 51 points in the first quarter and sank 11 three-pointers as the Golden State Warriors downed the Washington Wizards 134-121 for their eighth straight win on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Bosh’s 20, Wade’s Bounce-Back Lead Heat Over Mavericks 93-90 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 04:21:44 GMT)

    Chris Bosh scored 20 points, Dwyane Wade bounced back with 18 after matching the worst shooting half of his career and the Miami Heat beat the Dallas Mavericks 93-90 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge Scores Season-High 36, Spurs Beat Pelicans 110-97 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 04:06:57 GMT)

    LaMarcus Aldridge had 36 points, setting his season high for the second consecutive game, and the San Antonio Spurs beat the New Orleans Pelicans 110-97 on Wednesday night to remain unbeaten at home.

  • [New York Times] Thomas Scores 17 as Celtics Stave Off Pistons’ Rally, 102-95 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 03:39:43 GMT)

    Isaiah Thomas had 17 points and seven assists to help the Boston Celtics hold off the Detroit Pistons 102-95 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Kenny Sailors, a Pioneer of the Jump Shot, Dies at 95 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 03:17:51 GMT)

    A number of players can claim to be the one who created the shot that revolutionized basketball, but many students of the game give the distinction to Sailors.

  • [New York Times] C.J. Miles Scores 27, Pacers Beat Nets 114-100 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 03:12:32 GMT)

    C.J. Miles had 27 points, Paul George scored 17 and the Indiana Pacers sent the Brooklyn Nets to their fifth straight loss, 114-100 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Lin Scores 24 as Hornets Rally to Beat Cavaliers 106-97 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:51:43 GMT)

    Jeremy Lin scored 24 points and the Charlotte Hornets rallied in the second half to beat the Eastern Conference-leading Cleveland Cavaliers 106-97 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Hardaway, Scott Lead Atlanta Hawks in Rout of 76ers, 124-86 (Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:34:08 GMT)

    Tim Hardaway Jr. and Mike Scott led a balanced attack with 13 points apiece and the Atlanta Hawks coasted to a 124-86 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday night.

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    46 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.02.04)”

    1. Berman in the Post today on the possibility of who the Knicks might be willing to sell if they fall out of things even further:

      Giving up his other 2015 signees Arron Afflalo and bench sparkplug Derrick Williams, though, is unlikely. Despite their recent slumps, the Knicks consider Afflalo and Williams as revelations, part of the core, and prefer they don’t opt out. Robin Lopez and Lance Thomas are also part of the inner circle.

      Afflalo as part of the core? Meh. I get the attraction to other guys like Williams and Thomas, but neither will be this cheap next season. Calderon, O’Quinn, and Seraphin aren’t going to fetch much in trades.

    2. As much as I hate to agree with Isola, he’s right. Melo should ask for a trade. On one hand, he’s really valuable to the team right now because of the way he’s playing even with his shot not falling at his typical clip. But on the other hand, if he has a better chance to win somewhere else at this stage, especially considering recent injury history, he should chase that ring. The team will be fine because KP is turning out to be way better than anyone expected, and sooner than everyone expected. Hernangomez should be coming over soon, and his presence will make a nice big rotation with KP, Lopez, OQ, and Hernangomez himself. Add to that the fact that Williams is playing well at both forward spots along with Lance Thomas, the team can survive in the frontcourt if Phil moves Melo. 2 trades I’ve been thinking of are:
      1. Melo, Early, and Seraphin to MIA for Winslow, McBob, Deng, and Andersen
      2. Melo, Calderon, Grant or Galloway, Seraphin, and Early to CHI for Rose, Gibson, McBuckets, and Hinrich (this trade because it gets us out of Melo’s deal earlier and Rose looks to be on the upswing)

      No matter where Melo could possibly get traded to, there is no time better than now to make this sort of move with the cap increasing and the building block that is a very good already KP.

    3. The Knicks honestly just need a real 2 way point guard, or even a 2 guard for that matter. Langston would be fine with Batum or another playmaking 2 on board, but as a primary playmaker he is too inconsistent on the offensive end, and isn’t really quick enough to get into the lane unless it’s in transition (and even then he’s often out of control). Langston has been pretty great defensively if you ask me – our defense has been a ton better with him starting rather than Calderon.

      I’d be super happy with blowing all our cap space on Batum or Conley.

      Short of that — maybe someone like Allen Crabbe could be gotten with a big RFA offer, although Portland is well below the salary cap and has Paul Allen as the owner.

      Honestly– you know who would be an ok fit (despite probably being best off in a spread PNR system)? Jeremy Lin. Defense is a little better, but man can that dude still get into the lane.

      Overall I really like what Phil has done in terms of the character of guys on the team, and certainly the Porzingis pick, but the guard situation is really awful.

    4. Afflalo as part of the core? Meh. I get the attraction to other guys like Williams and Thomas, but neither will be this cheap next season. Calderon, O’Quinn, and Seraphin aren’t going to fetch much in trades.

      Berman’s weird. He used to be the mouthpiece of MSG, but then he turned on Jackson last year, so I really have no idea how actually plugged in he is.

      But with that said, if he’s accurate, then yes, that’s cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Pretty much the only good thing about signing Afflalo and Williams was the slim possibility of trading them for something helpful. How in the world will Williams opt in to his second year of this deal?

    5. The Knicks honestly just need a real 2 way point guard, or even a 2 guard for that matter.

      How about two-way players period? The Knicks have so many sore spots on defense that they make Lance Thomas practically the defensive stopper, and he’s not really all that good on defense. Afflalo, in particular, has been practically a disgrace on defense. Calderon is at least trying out there, Afflalo is just a joke on D. And when his ugly shots aren’t falling, he’s a joke on offense, as well.

    6. How about two-way players period? The Knicks have so many sore spots on defense that they make Lance Thomas practically the defensive stopper, and he’s not really all that good on defense.

      I think our front court players are as 2-way as any team in the league. Lopez and KP have been pretty much 2-way (although it really feels like KP’s offense has regressed), and Melo has been as fine as he’s ever been on defense (ie. probably average). But the guard situation is just terrible.

    7. Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, I meant guards and non-Melo wings. Obviously the building block of this franchise is the impressive two-way play of Porzingis. He’s been pretty much everything we could have possibly hoped for.

    8. Re: KP’s offense. I think it is pretty clear right now that short of his occasional dream shake, he just can’t create a good shot for himself. Whether that is lack of strength, lack of development, lack of coordination, it is just not working right now. I think the coaching staff needs to really cut down on his iso attempts, because he either misses, turns the ball over, or at the very least sucks the shot clock down before passing out. He’s also awful at posting up – 0.68PPP otherwise known as 24th percentile in the league. (his passing out of the post has definitely gotten better though)

      Honestly, right now he needs to be a spot-up, PNR/PNP, putback guy. He’s just not ready to be a focal point of any offense. I would still love to see him running off pin downs and such since he had such a solid history of being good at that in Europe.

    9. I hope that we try to get another guard who can help and and not give up on this season. Keep Melo, DWill, even AA. Could trading Seraphin or O’quinn get us at least a ham sandwich?

    10. The funny thing is that I went to a Hornets blog and they’re all thinking Batum at $18 million. Dudes, you’re not getting Batum for less than the max salary! No one is! It’s not happening!

      I went to a Knicks blog once, and everyone was convinced that Melo was going to sign for $18 million. And Melo was like, “dudes, you’re not getting me for less than the max salary! No one is! It’s not happening!”

      Guys on blogs like to be optimistic, I guess. Can you blame them?

    11. I went to a Knicks blog once, and everyone was convinced that Melo was going to sign for $18 million. And Melo was like, “dudes, you’re not getting me for less than the max salary! No one is! It’s not happening!”

      Guys on blogs like to be optimistic, I guess. Can you blame them?

      But the difference is no one was telling them it wasn’t going to happen. At least we had that much here. ;)

    12. I don’t think KP isn’t able to create good shots. It’s just that he effin rushes them (for whatsoever absurd reason), and so the ball goes on a very wild trajectory; you can see that especially on those 10-foot floaters he tries twice per game. In fact, I think that the most important part of his offseason regime has to be to learn to become decisive in his shot-taking: he’s 7’3″, dammit!

    13. KP has been good at basically everything but offense, which is fantastic for a 20 year old big man. And it’s not like he’s been terrible on offense. He’s even passed the ball a little bit. Obviously, he’s got a lot of work to do, because you shouldn’t let the Marcus Smart’s of the world keep you from scoring in the post when you’re 7’3″, but I am very high on KP.

      For this season I wouldn’t sacrifice any future assets in a trade unless it was massively in our favor. Odds are we’re not making the playoffs, so there’s no reason to stop being patient.

    14. The fascinating thing about Porzingis to me is that he’s specifically doing everything he didn’t do in Europe. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a top European prospect completely change their game this much. It’s absolutely fantastic news for him as a player, as the things he wasn’t doing in Europe were what he needed to do to be a star in the United States, so the fact that he’s doing those things is awesome. However, it is definitely a bit odd that he’s also not doing the good things that he was doing over in Europe (the shooting, mostly). I’m sure those things will come, so he’s almost assuredly going to be a franchise player going forward, but it’s still a bit odd.

    15. The Knicks honestly just need a real 2 way point guard

      Perhaps the Raptors would be willing to revisit Lowry for our 2018 pick?

    16. Afflalo as part of the core? Meh. I get the attraction to other guys like Williams and Thomas, but neither will be this cheap next season. Calderon, O’Quinn, and Seraphin aren’t going to fetch much in trades.

      To me even thinking about the concept of a “core” with respect to this team is honestly silly. Like everyone else I’ve massively enjoyed having a team that at least routinely displays competency this year, but lets not lose sight of the forest for the trees here. We’re 23-28 and probably missing the playoffs with a team that overall actually isn’t all that young or that talented. Yes, we have future cap space. Yes, the future overall is quite bright because of just how good Porzingis is. But it’s not like this team is a just a tweak here and there plus some internal progression away from reaching its goals. Is there anyone out there that thinks the roster of the next great Knicks team looks basically like this roster plus or minus a couple changes?

      Porzingis is untouchable obviously. Everything else should be on the table.

    17. It really does suck that Galloway is going to get so expensive so quickly. Of the non-Porzingis players, there really isn’t a bargain on this team for next season outside of Lopez, and the dude’s making $13 million! Thank goodness for Porzingis.

    18. Is there anyone out there that thinks the roster of the next great Knicks team looks basically like this roster plus or minus a couple changes?

      Honestly – I think this team is a Batum or Conley + continued development from KP and Grant away from being a real eastern conference contender. Not a title contender, but one that you could imagine making to the 2nd round or ECFs. With Batum, we would have 4 starters who are clearly starter-level players on good teams (KP/RoLo/Melo/Batum) and assuming they are retained, NBA-level bench players in Galloway, Calderon, Derrick Williams, Afflalo, and KOQ. And Sasha. Can’t forget Sasha.

    19. But you can’t retain Derrick Williams and Afflalo and sign Batum. That’s sort of the rub with the team. If you think they’re a piece away, they’ll have to add said piece but then subtract Williams and Afflalo, and who knows what that does to the team. It is even worse if you believe Thomas’ stunning shooting improvement this season will lead to him getting offers over the MLE. Or if Galloway gets over the MLE.

    20. But you can’t retain Derrick Williams and Afflalo and sign Batum. That’s sort of the rub with the team. If you think they’re a piece away, they’ll have to add said piece but then subtract Williams and Afflalo, and who knows what that does to the team. It is even worse if you believe Thomas’ stunning shooting improvement this season will lead to him getting offers over the MLE. Or if Galloway gets over the MLE.

      Yeah I guess. I’d happily let both DW and AA go. Seems you could get a 3 and D-type guard out of the D-league and get much of what you’re getting from Afflalo. And I don’t think Williams is a difference maker unless he significantly improves his 3 point shooting.

      Galloway is at least bound by Arenas rules, and so we could *wink wink* have him wait to sign offer sheets until after we make our big FA signings. Thomas is a problem – I get the feeling we want to re-sign him. But he could easily command $10MM/year if he continues like this, and the MLE is only about $5.7MM/year.

      I think Thomas would give a discount to stay, but not a 4MM/year discount.

    21. It really doesn’t matter a whole ton, but one interesting thing about Galloway is that, based on his playing time so far, his qualifying offer looks like it will be higher ($2.7 million versus $1.1 million), so that will cut into the Knicks’ cap room. It is not a big difference, though, so it doesn’t matter a whole lot. Just an interesting little tidbit.

    22. People are noticing Thomas’s performance. I read an Oklahoma blog after the game against the Tnunders and one person was talking about how they definitely “lost” the Thomas trade. (it’s so weird being a Knick fan and being on the winning side of a trade, it’s surreal)

    23. And what’s funny is, we cut both Thomas and Amundson before re-signing them to 10-day contracts, so he’s kinda sorta not the product of that trade, even if that gave us the inside track to keep him around.

    24. Ha! Yeah, just about to point that out. As noted, if you cut a player after acquiring him, it really doesn’t count as a positive of the trade when later judging the trade (it can still be a loss for the other team, though, of course).

    25. Huh, actually, looking into it, the Knicks can sort of screw Galloway over on the qualifying offer if they’d like. He needs to average 23.8 minutes per game over the remainder of the season to get the qualifying offer bump. He currently averages 24.7 minutes per game. That’s close enough where it has to at least sort of factor into their thinking, doesn’t it? And if you’re Galloway, doesn’t it also have to factor into your thinking? Like “I’ve only played 20 minutes in this game. Are they trying to limit my minutes?”

    26. Perhaps the Raptors would be willing to revisit Lowry for our 2018 pick?

      Oh, man, please don’t bring that up. I know I was in a small minority, but I was all for that deal (I think it included Shumpert, which was no biggie) I know we were all tired of surrendering draft picks, but how good would Lowry fit in with this current roster?

      Of course, there were salary implications and we probably wouldn’t have sucked so bad last year and gotten Zinger, so whatever

    27. Lowry after that deal was worth a first round pick, but not at the time of the deal. His play skyrocketed after the rumors of that deal got out there.

    28. Trades tend to be gambles, especially when picks are involved. Remember when Bargnani was acquired and people defended it by saying that he’d be more productive in NY’s system, or with Anthony at his side, or out from under the dumb Toronto coaches. Well, he actually got even worse. Whereas Lowry (and Teague) went on to be all stars.

      Ultimately, it was the Bargnani trade, once again, that killed the Knicks. If they hadn’t made that trade, they probably would have acquired Lowry with the 2016 pick (and not been so gunshy in dealing with Ujiri again). Sure, they’d still have no 2016 pick, but at least they’d have an all star PG (and top 5 MVP candidate) to show for it instead of a bunch of hilarious GIFs and nothing else.

    29. If the knicks get Batum they do not need AA. They would have Gallo and Thomas to fill his role. I think the Knicks could then Split the $8m between Batum and Williams.

    30. The fascinating thing about Porzingis to me is that he’s specifically doing everything he didn’t do in Europe. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a top European prospect completely change their game this much.

      Yep, agree. And for a 20 year old to put up these numbers off the bat is kind of amazing. So many European bigs have taken a lot longer to adjust.

    31. And for a 20 year old to put up these numbers off the bat is kind of amazing. So many European bigs have taken a lot longer to adjust.

      Owen, imagine how psyched you’d be if the Knicks had draft Jokic. 20 years old, with even better advanced and per minute stats than Porzingis. (He’s been Porzingis with assists, steals, and offensive efficiency!)

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=jokicni01&y2=2016&p2=porzikr01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

    32. To me even thinking about the concept of a “core” with respect to this team is honestly silly

      Sad, but true.

    33. Ultimately, it was the Bargnani trade, once again, that killed the Knicks.

      And we most likely made that deal bc Dolan pressured his organization to respond to one of the worst trades of the century, Brooklyn acquiring Pierce, Garnett, Terry, and the three forks in their back .

      This is what happens when stupid people are in charge.

      Glad we have Phil now.

    34. Yellowboy, what about adding Evan Turner next year at a discount? He sure looked good the other night although he doesn’t shoot the three very well.

    35. I’m not a fan of Turner. He is too inefficient for me. Now, if he learns how to get to the FT line then maybe. A discount for him would be minimal type pay or room exception.

    36. I want no Celtics on this team.

      Apparently MCW and Greg Monroe are available. It’s a good thing we didn’t sign Monroe last summer, huh? And how far has MCW fallen since his first game as a pro?

    37. Owen, imagine how psyched you’d be if the Knicks had draft Jokic. 20 years old, with even better advanced and per minute stats than Porzingis. (He’s been Porzingis with assists, steals, and offensive efficiency!)

      Wow, didn’t really have Jokic on my radar. Those are impressive numbers. Yowzers.

      Also, who is this Gallinari kid? Putting up some really nice numbers so far this year….

      ;-)

    38. Our “core” is Melo, KP, and Lopez. All are good players. We have no starting caliber 1-2 guards, and a bunch of great reserve ones.

      Imagine a middle of the pack (which is still pretty good in this deep position) starting-caliber point guard a la Holiday or something with an average 2, like Afflalo. Holiday/Afflalo/Melo/KP/Lopez? That would be a GOOD team in the East.

      It’s so sad how bad we are at the guard position, and I don’t see any non-Conley way to fix it, honestly. How can they even trade for one?

    39. I depends what you mean by “starting caliber”, but Langston is a good player who is on our roster and is a guard.

      If Grant wasn’t atrocious on offense we would be okay in the backcourt.

    40. Obviously the guard situation is the teams biggest concern at the moment. I think we may have lost a bit of focus on the long term here though. Ultimately two of our key guards are rookies and play one of the most difficult positions that typically takes a player a few years to develop into. I class Galloway as a rookie because in reality he played half a season last year and has had one summer camp under his belt. There is obviously a time when you have to cut your losses with a player, but I would hate to see us just give up on Galloway and Grant, especially when you see how guys like Lowry, Conley and probably lesser extent Teague eventually became very solid PG’s.

    41. Also, I know it’s usually a flop, but kind glad to see Will Barton in the Dunk Contest. Hopefully he and LaVine can reignite it. I am pretty sure some one said we should have signed Barton over summer, so whoever that was, freakin good call.

    42. Galloway’s our best guard, period.

      @DRed: My point was that if you ranked all current NBA 1-2 guards, we don’t get close to #15 on either position.

    43. I’m not so sure that there are 15 2 guards in the NBA better than Langston. He’s a terrific rebounder, a good passer for the 2, a good defender, and he’s okay on offense. That to me is a pretty solid player.

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