Knicks Morning News (2016.01.24)

  • [New York Times] Cavs Lose First Game After Blatt Firing (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 06:18:27 GMT)

    Within the last 24 hours, Cleveland fired their head coach, management blamed it on the tone of the locker room and regression on the floor, the star player denied culpability in the affair and the new coach said the players are out of shape.

  • [New York Times] Lillard Has 36 Points and Blazers Beat Lakers 121-103 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 06:06:37 GMT)

    Damian Lillard had 36 points and the Trail Blazers beat the Los Angeles Lakers 121-103 on Saturday night for Kobe Bryant’s last game in Portland.

  • [New York Times] Hornets 97, Knicks 84: Knicks Show Little but Midseason Malaise in Loss to Hornets (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:59:28 GMT)

    A day after the Knicks’ worst defeat of the season, an aching Carmelo Anthony scored only 9 points and sat out the final quarter in Charlotte.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Legs Can’t Carry Lue’s Vision (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:48:28 GMT)

    New Cleveland coach Tyronn Lue has a vision of how he wants his team to play, the problem is the Cavaliers do not seem to have the legs for it.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Spoil Lue’s Coaching Debut, Beat Cavaliers 96-83 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:33:36 GMT)

    They changed coaches. Everything else about the Cavaliers looked the same.

  • [New York Times] Gakllinari Scores 30, Nuggets Beat Pistons 104-101 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:30:35 GMT)

    Danilo Gallinari scored 30 points, including the go-ahead jumper with 23.8 seconds remaining, and the Denver Nuggets rallied to beat the Detroit Pistons 104-101 on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Wolves Snap Grizzlies’ 4-Game Winning Streak, 106-101 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:00:51 GMT)

    For most of this season, the Memphis Grizzlies have been one of the very best teams at the end of tight games while the Minnesota Timberwolves have seemingly perfected the art of blowing the big lead by faltering down the stretch.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Topple Grizzlies (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 04:57:27 GMT)

    Minnesota Timberwolves interim coach Sam Mitchell has been urging his team to get out in transition virtually all season and against the Memphis Grizzlies on Saturday, he got what he was looking for.

  • [New York Times] Goodwin Hits 3 With 0.1 Seconds Left, Suns Beat Hawks 98-95 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 04:54:42 GMT)

    Archie Goodwin hit a 3-pointer from atop the arc with 0.1 seconds left and the Phoenix Suns beat the Atlanta Hawks 98-95 on Saturday night to end a six-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Lin, Walker Lead Hornets Past Knicks 97-84 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 03:03:36 GMT)

    Jeremy Lin and Kemba Walker scored 26 points each, and the Charlotte Hornets defeated the New York Knicks 97-84 on Saturday night for their third win in the last four games.

  • [New York Times] Anderson Shoots Way to 23 Points, Pelicans Beat Bucks 116-99 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:51:32 GMT)

    Ryan Anderson scored 23 points and tied a season-high with six 3-pointers, leading the hot-shooting New Orleans Pelicans to a 116-99 win over the Milwaukee Bucks on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] LeBron James and Tyronn Lue Agree on Need to Improve (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:35:22 GMT)

    The Cleveland Cavaliers’ biggest star and their newly promoted head coach both say the team must play better.

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony exits early as Knicks fall to Hornets, 97-84 (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:11:00 GMT)

    Well, the Knicks did make it to Charlotte, but they left their game and their hustle back in New York.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Derek Fisher praises Cavs coach Tyronn Lue (Sun, 24 Jan 2016 04:22:31 GMT)

    Count Knicks coach Derek Fisher as a fan of new Cleveland Cavaliers head man Tyronn Lue.

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    22 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.01.24)”

    1. The Nets breaking the Thunder’s 7-game win streak is good because it shows that the Thunder can be beat by an iffy team, right? Rather than being bad because now they’re going to be playing pissed on Tuesday. Or do y’all think it is the reverse?

    2. Who here wants to argue that Curry is largely a product of his system?

      Chicken or the egg?

      Who here wants to argue against the system’s success is largely a function of having great, all time shooting back court (Curry and Thompson) and the most unique Green who shoots 41% from 3 and an ungodly Asst/To ratio of 7.3/2.8 for a big?

    3. I believe Steph Curry is a product of the confidence his coaches have in him and where the game has gone. 5 years ago, people didn’t agree with taking as many three point shots as Steph does a night. Steph can shoot 15 threes a game and nobody would blink. So no, Steph isn’t a product of any system. He’s just being allowed to be himself by people smart enough to not get in his way.

      ESPN did this 10 ten position players all time thing and they had Steph Curry listed #4 all time and Chris Paul was 7th. I thought that was ridiculous. Steph Curry may very well end up #3 or #4 ever, but he’s really only been an elite NBA player for 2 seasons. Chris Paul has been elite for a decade. It doesn’t make any sense to have him behind guys like Isiah Thomas other than the standard “RINGZ” argument.

    4. I stand corrected; Chris Paul is #6 behind Magic, The Big O, John Stockton, Steph Curry, and Isiah Thomas.

    5. I wonder whether Dana Barros watches Curry play in today’s NBA and thinks, “man, if I played 15 years later, I’d be a top 5 all-time player too”.

      As it is, he’s largely forgotten. But he was the kind of guard that would pull up for threes in transition all game long if it wasn’t so frowned upon at the time.

      Here is his 6th season compared to Curry’s.

    6. Pretty sure you can only make a case for Stockton, Magic, and maybe Oscar Robertson being better than Chris Paul.

      Isiah Thomas is massively overrated and, like Massive said, Curry has only been elite-elite (i.e. an all-timer) for 2 seasons.

      Where was Clyde on that list?

    7. I know this is a stats drive site but RINGZ is a pretty strong argument for putting Isiah ahead of Chris Paul. If you’re talking about someone like Stockton who went to the Finals twice but had to face Jordan, then that’s one thing. I think Chris Paul is a great great player and probably a hall of famer but he hasn’t even been to the Conference Finals and he’s not exactly young either. I mean, Carmelo Anthony has been to the Conference Finals (losing to the eventual champs too).

    8. The Nets breaking the Thunder’s 7-game win streak is good because it shows that the Thunder can be beat by an iffy team, right? Rather than being bad because now they’re going to be playing pissed on Tuesday. Or do y’all think it is the reverse?

      As far as it goes, it’s a decent time to play OKC because they’re dinged up. Adams was out and Roberson fucked up his knee during the game, and they’re two of OKC’s useful supporting players. More time for Dion is only going to help.

    9. Isiah Thomas also had the opportunity of playing with Bill Laimbeer, Joe Dumars, Adrian Dantley, Vinnie Johnson, and Dennis freaking Rodman on his championship teams. The best players CP3 got to play with were Blake Griffin and Tyson Chandler, and he didn’t have them at the same time. Isiah Thomas comes in 4th in Total Win Shares on both of his championship teams. Chris Paul wouldn’t come in 4th in Total Win Shares on any championship team ever. Here’s the player comparison for the two:

      It’s also true that John Stockton didn’t make it to the NBA Finals until his 13th NBA season. Chris Paul, to me, belongs #4 behind Magic, Oscar, and Stockton.

      And here’s the list:
      1) Magic
      2) Big O
      3) Stockton
      4) Curry
      5) Zeke
      6) CP3
      7) Steve Nash
      8) Kidd
      9) Walt Frazier
      10) Bob Cousy

    10. Pretty sure you can only make a case for Stockton, Magic, and maybe Oscar Robertson being better than Chris Paul.

      100% agreement

    11. Isn’t the argument that Isiah got to play with X, Y, and Z players kind of a self fulfilling argument? Of course they were all great because together, as a team, they won back to back titles.

      But Blake is supposed to be an all star. Deandre is supposed to be one of the best centers in the league. We don’t put them in that category bc they haven’t won a title yet. But if they did win a title we’d put them in that category. So why does CP3 get the excuse of not having great players (when he does) but Isiah gets dissed bc he had great players (he did, but he was also a great player).

      I get why Knicks fans in particular would not like Isiah but dude was the second best PG of his era behind Magic during the bulk of his career. He took on and defeated some of the best teams of all time – Lakers, Celtics and Bulls pre championship. You gotta put him ahead of CP3. STATS BE DAMNED! :)

    12. Chris Paul hasn’t come in 4th in win totals on a championship team because he’s never been on a championship team, see? He hasn’t even gotten past the second round.

    13. I know this is a stats drive site but RINGZ is a pretty strong argument


    14. Pretty sure you can only make a case for Stockton, Magic, and maybe Oscar Robertson being better than Chris Paul.

      And how is THE LOGO not high on this list.

      The Big O for the win and it ain’t even close…. look at his first 5 years in the league where he actually averaged a triple double once and almost did it 5 times in his first 5 seasons….

    15. Jerry West was on the shooting guard list, where he ranked 3rd behind Jordan and Kobe.

    16. Obviously, player play to win championships, not to lead the league in WS/48, or to bring glory to a bunch of people’s fantasy basketball teams. It’s not Chris Paul’s fault that he’s never been to the CF, but ultimately, what good is the process when there is no product to show for it. What other all-time great NBA player has never been to. Conference final? There have been some pretty weak teams, with some pretty unimpressive statistical players that have led their teams there. I think it is definitely part of the criteria for the necessarily subjective judgement of “greatness”.

    17. I’d say how many championships a player has won is a compelling statistic. Not the be all and end all though.

    18. Teams with all time players win championships, but we agree DRed.

      What’d the Cavs announcers say?

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