Knicks Morning News (2016.01.04)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks pick up good win over Hawks, Afflalo goes wild from 3 (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 05:00:41 GMT)

    The Knicks got out to a lightening-quick start when they faced the Hawks a week ago, only to stumble. This time things were different.

  • [New York Times] DeAndre Jordan Can’t Miss, and Has Chamberlain in His Sights (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 09:33:35 GMT)

    Wilt Chamberlain, your record is in jeopardy.

  • [New York Times] Williams Scores 30, Lakers Beat Suns 97-77 Without Kobe (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 05:03:42 GMT)

    Lou Williams scored a season-high 30 points, and the Los Angeles Lakers sent Phoenix to its ninth straight loss with a 97-77 rout of the cold-shooting Suns on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] McCollum Scores 25 as Trail Blazers Beat Nuggets 112-106 (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 05:00:38 GMT)

    CJ McCollum had 25 points and seven assists, leading the Portland Trail Blazers to a 112-106 victory over the Denver Nuggets on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Games of the Week: Grizzlies at Blazers; Grizzlies at Thunder (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 04:46:40 GMT)

    Memphis will play two games that could mark a turning point in its season.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 03:27:49 GMT)

    Jimmy Butler broke Michael Jordan’s team record for points in a half, scoring 40 of his 42 after the break to lead the Chicago Bulls over the Toronto Raptors 115-113 on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Bosh Has 23, Leads Heat Over Wizards 97-75 (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 03:03:35 GMT)

    The Washington Wizards came to Miami last month and scored 114 points in a win over the Heat. That’s the most points Miami has allowed this season.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 111, Hawks 97: Arron Afflalo, With 38 Points, Carries Knicks Past Hawks (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 01:53:12 GMT)

    Afflalo took the game’s first shot, a jumper, and hit it, going on to finish 7 of 8 from 3-point range and 14 of 17 from the field on an afternoon when Carmelo Anthony struggled.

  • [New York Times] Butler Eclipses Jordan Record as Bulls Edge Raptors (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 01:33:30 GMT)

    Jimmy Butler on Sunday went where no other Chicago Bulls player had been before, not even the legendary Michael Jordan.

  • [New York Times] Butler Tops Jordan Bulls Record With 40 Points in Half (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 01:21:38 GMT)

    For one half, Jimmy Butler was better than Michael Jordan.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Butler’s 40-Point Half Leads Bulls to Victory (Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:55:57 GMT)

    Butler broke Michael Jordan’s team record for points in a half, scoring 40 of his 42 after the break to lead Chicago over the Toronto Raptors, 115-113, on Sunday.

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    61 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.01.04)”

    1. Was at game yesterday, first game I’ve gone to in about 3 years. Seemed like they were running more p&r than usual which let to some good shots.

    2. @2 There tends to be more to talk about when we are losing LOL. Also no one wants to get too happy, for fear of the beatdown that may be looming in ATL tomorrow. #goknicks

    3. Here’s an observation from the ATL game yesterday:
      I saw a lot more solid picks set at the top of the key area/three pt line, that lead to pick and roll/pop opportunities. Grant did a good job of running those plays with positive results overall. My only issue is most of those picks were set by Lopez, who is limited offensively.
      It is very obvious though, at this point, KP is not good at setting screens/picks which limits the ability to play the two man game with either Melo or one of our guards. Once he is able to do this effectively, it will enhance his offensive production.

    4. If Afflalo doesn’t go completely bonkers yesterday are we all sitting around praising the rotations and the play of Lopez etc or are we bitching about the triangle, talking about how dumb coach is, and talking about how we need to dump Lopez at the trade deadline?

    5. If Afflalo doesn’t go completely bonkers yesterday are we all sitting around praising the rotations and the play of Lopez etc or are we bitching about the triangle, talking about how dumb coach is, and talking about how we need to dump Lopez at the trade deadline?

      Honestly even if Afflalo has just an above average shooting game (as opposed to supernova) we probably still win. We won by 14 and the lead was something like 20 at one point.

      I think we still need to trade Lopez. It’s all about Whiteside 2016!

      I’m open to the idea of trading Lopez, but not necessarily for Whiteside. Whiteside is a notorious head case – and even though he obviously ticks off the rebounds/blocks categories, there is just so much noise out there about how Miami is actually better with him off the court. Hard to know.

      In any case, we need a guard upgrade far more than we need a Whiteside. I do have to give Calderon some props – when his usage is closer to 15 than 10, he brings real value on the offensive end. I’m glad he no longer appears to be afraid to shoot it. I believe I even saw him do some of those “layup” things!
      And his defense has not been terrible, at least to the eye test.

    6. I think fisher’s rotation adjustments, namely playing Kris with the bench a bit, are objectively smarter. Even if we had a hypothetical game last night where AA didn’t go bonkers and we lost a close one, it’s the right move.

      Playing Kris with the bench allows melo a bit more time at the 4 and then gives Langston and Jerian, 2 guys who can’t create out of nothing, a solid pick and roll option. They need all the help they can get.

      If you go look at Kristap’s makes, a lot of them were of high PnR including some w the bench guys. Fuck is Jerian Grant gonna try and run some PnR with otherwise, Derrick Williams? LOL. Kristap’s PPP as a roll man and as a pop man are way higher than his other possessions.

      That rotation adjustment isn’t some sort of major factor that will change game outcomes by itself, but it’s one of those marginal things that, with other marginal things, can add up and help.

    7. @7

      lol

      I assume you’re lol’ing at the idea that Whiteside isn’t a super duper star with all those blocks and rebounds, but you don’t think it’s slightly notable that his team does worse when he’s on the court? Specifically that without all those shiny blocks they’re a better defensive team (and not by a small margin)? I assume that must just all be noise to you since it isn’t really possible that there are flaws to Whiteside’s game that aren’t captured by the boxscore.

    8. @10 my guess is that the lol was for the use of the phrase “eye test’; my guess is that THCJ has a search bot that alerts him whenever that vile term is used.

    9. @9 great point, I agree we need more Melo at the 4, and more PnR. It looks like Fisher will take time to truly adjust the “triangle” to the strengths of his personnel…and given the future is KP, he needs to maximize what KP does.
      All of that being said Fisher has gone from a terrible coach to a decent one. I hope his trajectory continues upward.

    10. The most recent articles I’ve read seem to assume Whiteside is turning a corner defensively:

      http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/12/21/10633150/hassan-whiteside-defense-stats-highlights-miami-heat
      http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ethan-j-skolnick/article52887230.html

      The first article shows where Hassan Whiteside has lacked defensively and since made amends. Whiteside was poor at rotating and help defense. He’s since improved, though, and now Erick Spoelstra is comfortable playing him in the 4th quarter.

      Whiteside is a very good basketball player and is improving defensively. I remember watching how he completely destroyed our offense with his presence as a shot blocker, and now he’s learning to rotate better. Not just that, but check out his offense against Dallas:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CshX60E26f8

      There’s no way I don’t offer him a max deal for his age 27-31 seasons. He’s developing into super Tyson Chandler.

    11. And for what it’s worth, Basketball Reference has Hassan Whiteside’s DRtg for the season at 92, and that’s good for the best on the Miami Heat. He’s not exactly Enes Kanter or Andrea Bargnani on defense.

    12. @12 I’ll agree to disagree re: your latter point — I think he’s a decent if unspectacular coach, esp given he’s been learning on the fly. Even JKidd wasn’t impressive for his first few months as Nets coach.

      Re: PnR, it’s really tough for him (and the team) because our guards suck , esp at PnR. Jerian is OK at best. We got kinda lucky yesterday cuz they (correctly) would drop under the picks KP set for Jerian, but KP still splashed a few pick and pops anyway. We had the right outcome on those plays, despite Jerian being ignored by the hawks defense, because the hawks had a clear gameplan of forcing Kris (thus far a very meh jumpshooter) to beat us with jumpers on those plays.

      Without someone who can get to the hole with a semblance of consistency, it’s hard to implement *any* useful offensive scheme, triangle, PnR, whatever. That’s why I don’t bother putting too much of our shitty offense on Fisher. Sure he can do things better in the margins, and his lineups can be weird, but when you have no penetration your lineups are gonna get weird.

    13. Yeah, pick and roll coverage is where Whiteside has really struggled, so if he gets that sorted out he might sacrifice a few blocks here and there but he’ll be a better overall defender.

    14. So will the Knicks sign Jimmer tomorrow to a 10 day contract? This has to happen, right? I can see him lighting up the Garden.

    15. If we sign Jimmer, then we’ll need to change the name of our Annual Jimmer Fredette Award. It’s just unseemly to maintain that award when the player it’s named after is now playing for us. Oh well, I’m sure it’s just a matter of time before some other borderline scrub drops 50 on us. (I know he didn’t actually drop 50 on us, but you get the point)

      Also, anyone expecting Fredette to be the answer is going to be sorely disappointed. I hope to be very wrong about this, and it’s a very low risk proposition so I am in favor of giving it the ol’ college try; but I doubt it.

    16. If Cle’s not going to be well enough to play before the season’s over, would we get a roster exemption, or would we be stuck with a 14-man roster all season?

    17. I assume you’re lol’ing at the idea that Whiteside isn’t a super duper star with all those blocks and rebounds, but you don’t think it’s slightly notable that his team does worse when he’s on the court? Specifically that without all those shiny blocks they’re a better defensive team (and not by a small margin)? I assume that must just all be noise to you since it isn’t really possible that there are flaws to Whiteside’s game that aren’t captured by the boxscore.

      Of course there are flaws to his game, just like Curry commits too many turnovers and LeBron has an average-at-best jump shot. So?

      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/298-hassan-whiteside

      Tell me what about that player you wouldn’t want on the Knicks. I’m fine with the anecdotal evidence that he’s a poor help defender, but holy shit, how could you not want that scoring efficiency, rebounding, blocks and low foul percentage? The dude is a total stud.

      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/268-robin-lopez

      There’s more to the game than the box score captures, but damn, dude, you have to believe that the box score is one big lie to believe that Whiteside for Lopez would be anything but a total failure by the Heat and a total win for the Knicks.

      If there’s a shot you could resign Whiteside for a max in the offseason, absolutely you take it. Melo isn’t very good, but a Melo-Porzingis-Whiteside frontcourt would be a contender in the East. It would instantly make the Knicks a 48+ win team.

    18. not related to current topic but does anyone have the ability to create a gif of porzingis’ failed dunk attempt from yesterday… ive seen just the tail-end but would love to see the pass from the wing and then his giant steps and leap for the dunk…??? most exciting miss ive seen in awhile

      anyone?

    19. I’m all about signing Jimmer tomorrow. If it isn’t us, it’ll be another team. We may need to up the ante to even sign him! But we need guard play badly and he’s lighting it up. Hey, he’s a local boy. Get him on that roster PJ!

    20. Schroder is a player that I have always loved. His energy is contagious and would be perfect to lead our second unit. Would love to see him run the break with Williams and Galloway.

      It seems he is in the Doghouse as he receiving multiple Coach DNPs

      HOW CAN WE GET HIM?

    21. Just to have a three point threat out there would help the offense a lot. Seems like a better fit on this team than Sasha.

    22. Of course there are flaws to his game, just like Curry commits too many turnovers and LeBron has an average-at-best jump shot. So?

      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/298-hassan-whiteside

      Tell me what about that player you wouldn’t want on the Knicks. I’m fine with the anecdotal evidence that he’s a poor help defender, but holy shit, how could you not want that scoring efficiency, rebounding, blocks and low foul percentage? The dude is a total stud.

      I’m not sure I would consider it “anecdotal evidence” that in the two seasons where he has played significant minutes his team has been much better at defense when he is not on the floor. Offensively, he’s a monster on the offensive glass and super efficient, and there’s a ton of value in that and given his age and talent I would absolutely take him for Robin Lopez.

      But I also think its worth acknowledging he has yet to at any point in his career significantly improve a team he has been on when he has been on the floor. Both his raw and adjusted +/- numbers have now stunk in back to back seasons. That’s at the very least a question that deserves consideration.

    23. If we sign Jimmer, then we’ll need to change the name of our Annual Jimmer Fredette Award. It’s just unseemly to maintain that award when the player it’s named after is now playing for us

      Critical point, but as Byron would say, see it as an opportunity. Jimmer can now be the first recipient of the newly announced Andrea Bargnani award, given to the shitty player we’ve acquired whose previous career scoring high was against us.

      The new name for the Jimmer award is an analytics minefield. Do guys like Tony Wroten and Xavier Henry count even though their games weren’t technically career bests? What about Mike Taylor? The dude from the clippers who starting sucking at Iowa State and went on to suck even worse in the NBA, scoring a total of 289 NBA points yet somehow dropped 35 on us in a loss to the horrendous 08-09 Clips? Fact: Mike Taylor was the first D-leaguer drafted by an NBA team.

    24. ps: can we get the knickerblogger euroleague correspondent to run a detailed 30 for 30 on whether hernangomez is injured? last three real madrid games he went for: 3minutes, DNP, DNP. google news is excellent when you want to unearth what matt barnes said on instagram, but is rather inadequate in the willy h department.

    25. If Cle’s not going to be well enough to play before the season’s over, would we get a roster exemption, or would we be stuck with a 14-man roster all season?

      The latter, sadly. The NBA has weird roster rules.

    26. Whiteside is a stud, even if he’s not nearly as impactful defensively as his numbers suggest. A more thorough statistical investigation would likely reveal Whiteside is nowhere near one of the 3 best players in the league, as WP suggests.

      WP has Calderon as the best Knick by a wide margin. And of course we remember that Ronnie Brewer was the MVP of the 54-win Knicks in ’12 before inexplicably getting traded to OKC, never to get meaningful NBA minutes again.

    27. If Cle’s not going to be well enough to play before the season’s over, would we get a roster exemption, or would we be stuck with a 14-man roster all season?

      The latter, sadly. The NBA has weird roster rules.

      The hardship exemption allows a team to exceed the 15-man maximum roster when it has at least four players who are sick or injured for longer than two weeks.

    28. The hardship exemption allows a team to exceed the 15-man maximum roster when it has at least four players who are sick or injured for longer than two weeks.

      Right, and they’re nowhere near that, so they’re just going to have eat Cle’s roster spot sadly (or, even sadder for him, cut him).

    29. Not having a rule for your dude getting shot in the knee is dumb

      I don’t get why the NBA doesn’t have an equivalent of the MLB 60-Day DL, where players are removed from your roster for the length of their severe injury and then you have to make a roster move when they’re ready to return. Instead, the NBA just says “12 is your roster limit, so you’re getting 3 extra spots which you have to use on injured players, rookies, etc.”

    30. Dante Jones managed to hit his career high, not once but twice, against us before packing his bags and heading for Reno.

      Jimmer can now be the first recipient of the newly announced Andrea Bargnani award, given to the shitty player we’ve acquired whose previous career scoring high was against us.

      You mean the Chris Childs award?

    31. Gerald Green also had his season high of 23 against us, including 4-8 from downtown. Hasn’t quite hit those numbers since.

      Speaking of Knick killers, really puzzling why Budenholzer didn’t play Schroeder against us, we usually make him look like Chris Paul.

    32. Speaking of Knick killers, really puzzling why Budenholzer didn’t play Schroeder against us, we usually make him look like Chris Paul.

      I suspect it is some sort of long game there, as Budz tries to break Scroeder down to get him into buying Budz’ plan, as otherwise it doesn’t make any sense.

    33. @36, does the PPP include free throws? It would explain Drummond and Okafor pretty well.

    34. Well Jahlil is currently a terrible basketball player so it’s not surprising that he’s inefficient in the post even with all his “skills” and “polish”.

      And yeah, get Christian Wood with either set of Knicks

    35. Dennis Schroeder is an interesting player. I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him in what could be a buy-low opportunity. It’s kind of hard to figure out a trade with Atlanta that works though. We have very few assets to trade, and the only trade I can think of between NYK and ATL that makes any sense at all is Schroeder and a dead salary guy for Kyle O’Quinn. The dead salary guy could be our very own Knick favorite Tim Hardaway Jr, who does nothing but rack up DNP-CDs in Atlanta.

      Atlanta’s weakness is rebounding– they really struggle rebounding the ball on both ends of the floor. Perhaps they’d be interested in O’Quinn? They’d REALLY be selling low on Schroeder at that price.

    36. Loan deal for Gran Guillermo would make a lot of sense for him, but would it make sense for Real if they think he’s coming to New York next year?

    37. I had the opportunity to watch some Spanish League games this season and apparently Real Madrid is trying to play some small ball there.

      Despite being the only true center in the team he’s getting fewer minutes every game.

      Ayon is the starter and Taylor & Thompkins are getting the rest of the minutes at C.

      One of the critics that I heard was that he was too slow for the pace Real is playing.

    38. We clearly need to initiate a stimulus program that simultaneously alleviates the domestic environmental harm being caused by the overuse of inefficient European resources. Sasha and Seraphin for Willy H: Trash for Dunkers.

    39. Well Jahlil is currently a terrible basketball player so it’s not surprising that he’s inefficient in the post even with all his “skills” and “polish”.

      your just looking at the states, try watching a game

    40. Cavs shooting 72% TS against the #4 seed in the East. Can’t see how LeBron doesn’t make it 6 conference titles in a row.

    41. You know, in baseball they’re finally figuring stuff out when it comes to giving out awards. Like, they actually give Gold Gloves to good defensive players now. Maybe the NBA is catching up– maybe they realize that Okafor is not as good as Porzingis despite POINTZZ

    42. Cavs shooting 72% TS against the #4 seed in the East. Can’t see how LeBron doesn’t make it 6 conference titles in a row.

      Well, if JR is going to make 8 out of 14 three pointers, they won’t lose another game this season.

      But chances are, he goes 1-8 next game.

    43. Watching the Heat-Pacers game, why do other teams end up with layups on final plays and we always end up with forced 20 footers?

    44. I still contend that swap Porzingis and Okafor and Okafor is averaging 21 and 9 as a Knick. The kid plays for a team that may turn out to have the worst NBA roster ever assembled. Everyone over there looks horrible.

      The Cavs will go back to the Finals. If they’re healthy (and if Golden State can beat San Antonio which is a much bigger “if” than people realize), Golden State vs Cleveland could turn out to be one of the greatest NBA Finals ever. Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, and LeBron James vs Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green is quite possibly a match up with three HOFers on both sides. That’s something that hasn’t happened since the Lakers/Celtics series of the 80s. This is a really good year for basketball.

    45. San Antonio vs Cleveland would be just as good as Golden St vs Cleveland. Lets just pray the West Finals is Golden St vs San Antonio, talk about an epic series.

    46. I still contend that swap Porzingis and Okafor and Okafor is averaging 21 and 9 as a Knick. The kid plays for a team that may turn out to have the worst NBA roster ever assembled. Everyone over there looks horrible.

      Yet Okafor does not stand out as being substantially better than any of the other bums that are on the Philly roster. I mean, Jerami Grant beats him pretty easily in both WS48 and WP48, and Grant is only a year older.

    47. Well, if JR is going to make 8 out of 14 three pointers, they won’t lose another game this season.

      But chances are, he goes 1-8 next game

      You’re right, but he wasn’t the only Cav on fire tonight. Remember that a 60 TS% team is 32-2 right now. 72% shooting wins you 81 or 82 games, but even if JR goes 5-14, the Cavs would have won.

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