Knicks Morning News (2015.04.18)

  • [New York Times] Go Figure: Stat Titles Rarely Lead to NBA Titles (Sat, 18 Apr 2015 06:26:44 GMT)

    It’s already known that Oklahoma City won’t win the NBA title, since the Thunder didn’t make the playoffs.

  • [New York Times] As Spurs Know, International Players Can Impact NBA Playoffs (Sat, 18 Apr 2015 06:14:45 GMT)

    Kawhi Leonard was the MVP of last year’s NBA Finals, though the San Antonio Spurs wouldn’t have won without their incredible international presence.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Has Heart Surgery (Sat, 18 Apr 2015 04:16:26 GMT)

    Abdul-Jabbar, the former N.B.A. and U.C.L.A. star, was recovering after quadruple coronary bypass surgery.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Sunny Skies, but N.B.A. Has Eye to the Horizon (Sat, 18 Apr 2015 00:58:18 GMT)

    With a new TV deal that could drastically alter player contracts and the salary cap, the N.B.A. seems to be waiting on making changes to the draft and other areas.

  • [New York Post] Breaking down Knicks roster: Who stays? Who goes? (Sat, 18 Apr 2015 00:30:21 -0400)

    The Post breaks down the Knicks roster, predicting who will — and won't — be back for the 2015-16 season. Should return SF/PF Carmelo Anthony: The chief free-agent recruiter/draft advisor isn't…

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    26 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.04.18)”

    1. Grad work done yay now me respond to yesterday melo thread.

      The one thing people (1-100 or so of that tireless thing) forgot is Amar’e was supposed to show up for the life of his deal and never did. Knowledgeable people guessed that Amar’e / Melo would be potent. Smart people here postulated doom but if it had worked people would have remembered Danillo with a gleam in the eye but no major nostalgia. Melo is good. I’m tired of people saying he’s not actually good. He’s actually good for fuks sake. He can play for coach K he can play for me. He’s overpaid, but the Knicks can cope.

    2. After watching the Toronto-Washington game I think the NBA should ban the long two.

    3. I’ll tell you this: it doesn’t matter what offensive system your coach is running, if you have Draymond Green’s defense, both man and help, you’re going to be able to win basketball games.

    4. I still hope the knicks are looking at Ajinca as a back up. He did well in the few minutes he was out there before Davis returned.

    5. Re: Draymond Green — I would love to see the Knicks start playing defense again and am becoming more and more convinced that, if the Knicks don’t get Towns, they should draft Winslow and try to sign DeMarre Carroll. If they sign Monroe, they could start him, Melo and Carroll up front and have Winslow come off the bench at least to start the season. After watching Monroe and Drummond try to play together, if the Knicks draft Okafor, I think that they should stay away from Monroe because he and Okafor will completely clog things up offensively.

    6. Re: Draymond Green — I would love to see the Knicks start playing defense again and am becoming more and more convinced that, if the Knicks don’t get Towns, they should draft Winslow and try to sign DeMarre Carroll. If they sign Monroe, they could start him, Melo and Carroll up front and have Winslow come off the bench at least to start the season. After watching Monroe and Drummond try to play together, if the Knicks draft Okafor, I think that they should stay away from Monroe because he and Okafor will completely clog things up offensively.

      I just worry about Winslow being to small. His Summit Height is 6’6 w/shoes and his USA height is 6’6 w/o. His wingspan is listed at 6’10 for comparison Green has a 7’1. one interesting thing is that Winslow standing reach was listed at 8’9, the same as Green, in 2013 but then was listed at 8’7 in 2014. I think the combine will go a long way for him. I’m just worried he shows up and turns out to be Jae Crowder size.

    7. We really need to get Anthony Davis

      Make that your DRed for GM 2016 campaign slogan.

    8. The one thing people (1-100 or so of that tireless thing) forgot is Amar’e was supposed to show up for the life of his deal and never did. Knowledgeable people guessed that Amar’e / Melo would be potent. Smart people here postulated doom but if it had worked people would have remembered Danillo with a gleam in the eye but no major nostalgia. Melo is good. I’m tired of people saying he’s not actually good. He’s actually good for fuks sake. He can play for coach K he can play for me. He’s overpaid, but the Knicks can cope.

      1) Amar’e was never going to make it through that deal.
      2) They were wrong.
      3) We were right.
      4) If only me auntie had bollocks, she’d be me uncle.
      5) Melo is average.
      6) I’m sorry you’re tired, but you’re also wrong.
      7) For fuck’s sake indeed. If you don’t realize that he’s not good by now, the next four years of his contract are going to hurt your soul.
      8) NBA basketball is not international basketball.
      9) He is overpaid.
      10) Categorically, his contract makes it harder for the Knicks to cope. Why? Because it is a terrible contract, like Amar’e’s, Jerome James’s and Eddy Curry’s.

    9. My predictions:

      Golden State over New Orleans in a sweep
      Houston over Dallas for the Battle of Texas in 6
      San Antonio over the Clippers in 7
      Memphis over Portland in 7

      Atlanta over Brooklyn, in the Joe Johnson’s Revenge series, in a sweep.
      Cleveland over Boston in a sweep.
      Chicago over Milwaukee in 6.
      Toronto over Washington in 7

    10. For the Finals I’ll go with Golden State over Cleveland. They’re clearly the top two teams in their conference. (JR Smith and Shump say hai!)

      I’ll hedge though GS could be taken out by the eventual winner of the Spurs/Clippers series and that likewise Cleveland could possibly be taken out by Atlanta/Chicago. But those six teams really don’t have anything else to fear from any1 else in their conference, especially in the East. And if Cleveland does get taken out be4 the Finals, there’s no way the Championship trophy is cumming out of the East.

      As an aside, Atlanta/San Antonio would make for some of the best pure team basketball seen in the Finals in maybe ever.

    11. @8 — for what it’s worth, according to draftexpress.com, the average drafted SF is 6’6.2″ w/o shoes, weighs 213, has a 6’10.6″ wingspan and a standing reach of 8’7.9″ which puts Winslow(when he was 17) right about average — except for 15 pounds more of what appears to be mostly muscle. By the way, Langston Galloway’s standing reach is only an inch below the average drafted SG, but his no step vertical (which I think is more important than max vertical) is 2″ higher than average for a drafted SG.

    12. Nice to talk to you Jowles. I hope you’ve been well.
      1) Amar’e was never going to make it through that deal.
      No, he was supposed to, might have, and did not.
      2) They were wrong.
      That’s no sin. Anyone can get hurt. Would Popovich have made the same error, probably not.
      3) We were right.
      I think I said that. But still, if you have a guy that you expect to play a big role and major minutes and you trade guys banking on that, that makes you an actual GM. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don’t but it isn’t the slam dunk absolutely black and white/ wrong right / thing you make it.
      4) If only me auntie had bollocks, she’d be me uncle.
      Not necessarily. Sex and gender are not seen as the same thing anymore.
      5) Melo is average.
      No. He’s overpaid but not average.
      6) I’m sorry you’re tired, but you’re also wrong.
      I am tired of the “he doesn’t make other players better” bs. The rebuild didn’t work. This next one may not as well. Melo’s obviously been a big part of the decision making on both, but if he’s not hurt and plays to his bubblegum card and if the Knicks get a productive pick and a good FA or two they’ll be a good team again.
      7) For fuck’s sake indeed. If you don’t realize that he’s not good by now, the next four years of his contract are going to hurt your soul.
      My soul is so hurt, beautiful Jowles. It could hurt no more. I’d trade him now if I could but I think if Paul Pierce can still be an irritant and a major player in a playoff game, the same may happen for Carmelo. Hey I’m a Knick fan.
      8) NBA basketball is not international basketball.
      Right. They can have ANYONE BORN IN THIS COUNTRY AND THEY CHOSE MELO. Coach K is just going for box office though, right?
      9) He is overpaid.
      I think I said that in my post. Yes I just checked. We agree.
      10) Categorically, his contract makes it harder for the Knicks to cope. Why? Because it is a terrible contract, like Amar’e’s, Jerome James’s and Eddy Curry’s.
      Only if he gets hurt, though, anyone…

    13. @15 Those may be the average measurements but that doesn’t take into account the fact that the majority of those guys are out of the league after only a few seasons, if they make it into the league at all.

    14. The averages for SFs drafted in the top 15 (i.e., the elite prospects ) are almost exactly the same as the averages for all SFs drafted. Ironically, the standing reach for SGs who were drafted in the top 15 is actually lower than the standing reach for all SGs drafted. As a 17 year old, Winslow weighed only 4 pounds less than the average of all PFs drafted (probably the most surprising stat is that the average power forward drafted only weighed 233 pounds). And all of this is pretty meaningless if his skills aren’t up to snuff…

    15. Clint Capela looking like the real deal. Extremely small sample size but I recall draft models grading him very well. Makes me think Morey may try to trade Howard to some stupid team like the…oh fuck

    16. Howard really should be all of our greatest non-apocalyptic fear right now. I think we’re fine and it won’t happen, but of the awful but realistic scenarios out there, that’s high up there.

    17. It’s funny how we are waiting these big moves. Some of us can’t shake the optimism. Others can’t shake the pessimism. I think what the optimists are saying is that Phil isn’t Scott Layden, etc. What the pessimists are saying is that he basically is Scott Layden 2.0. He DID give Melo the money. It IS a signature move. He made a move that some people say has insured his failure already. The people saying it here have been right more often than not but I’m gonna believe that they can win despite Melo’s cap # until it’s proven that they can’t.

      Anyone can get hurt though and that doesn’t prove anyone’s point. Will Odell Beckham JR be a hall of famer? Probably not, because he’s probably going to get wrecked playing that medieval sport but if he stays healthy it looks like a lock.

      People, it turned out, were right to predict doom for Amar’e’s contract. He was already injury prone. There was EVIDENCE to suggest it was a bad idea. Melo was healthy at the time of his latest deal. You have a good chance to be right if you predict injury for any player. It’s a dangerous sport (though not as bad as football).

      So, if he plays poorly, which largely he has NOT done as a Knick. Then, the naysayers will be right legitimately. They’ll predict 30 wins and be right not because we lose our center to a broken leg in the fifth game of the season.

    18. Melo’s problems are not only injuries concern.

      It’s paying a huge ton of money to a player that probably already reached the peak of a non stellar career PLUS injuries concerns.

      Comparing him to Amare, Curry and J. James is a little bit of a stretch BTW.

    19. It’s possible to build a championship contender with Melo. Phil is going to have find 3-4 very good players on attractive contracts to put around him to make up for the negative value that Melo’s contract generates. That’s no easy task in free agency. FA contracts tend to be fully priced or even unattractively priced because of the competition for the services of good players.

      That’s what makes this draft so important. If we could somehow get a franchise caliber player out of this draft, that’s a LOT of wins at a cheap price even if we have to wait a year for him to start hitting his stride.

      Of course, the annoying part of that success, if we should ever achieve it, would be that Melo will get the credit from the nitwits because he scores a lot of points using a million possessions. smh

      Honestly, I don’t see a major contender in our future unless we get very lucky in the draft or we manage to bring a legitimate superstar to NY in 2016 or 2017 when the cap goes way up. The players that are being talked about for 2015 are good players, but they aren’t “stars” and they probably won’t come cheap. If we reach 41-41 next year I’ll be very happy, but that’s far from certain. Then if we add someone else good and our rookie starts panning out, maybe we can become a 50-55 win team that’s a fringe contender the following year. To me, it all hinges on the draft and/or finding a legitimate STAR to come here.

    20. What people around here seem to forget is that only 1 NBA team every year succeeds in winning a championship. It’s easy to say fail fail fail and be right. That’s the most likely outcome.

    21. Strato — if the Knicks are somehow successful next year, I wouldn’t even be annoyed if Dolan got the credit.
      3 “Get-able” unrestricted FAs that might all fit under the cap — Robin Lopez, Danny Green and Demarre Carroll. All 3 are good defenders, Carroll and Green can shoot the 3 and they fit well with Melo (i.e., they cover his weaknesses and won’t mind if he takes a lot of shots). Add a good draft pick and I think that that is a core of a good team.

    22. What people around here seem to forget is that only 1 NBA team every year succeeds in winning a championship. It’s easy to say fail fail fail and be right. That’s the most likely outcome.

      I agree with that.

      I would consider success to be turning this team into a legitimate contender to win it all. I would say that means a top team in terms of Vegas odds going into the playoffs.

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