Knicks Morning News (2015.04.15)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks do lotto damage (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:21:55 GMT)

    THE KNICKS will give all of those attending their merciful regular-season finale on Wednesday night free food and non-alcoholic beverages.

  • [New York Post] Three ping-pong ball scenarios for the Knicks (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:57:40 -0400)

    Knicks owner James Dolan is giving out free food and soft drinks for Fan Appreciation Night— the season finale against the Pistons at the Garden. If things fall a certain…

  • [New York Times] Frantic Closing Night Awaits in the NBA, With Much to Decide (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 06:53:05 GMT)

    Take a bow, NBA schedule-makers.

  • [New York Times] Paul, Griffin Shoot Clippers Past Suns, 112-101 (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 06:23:18 GMT)

    Chris Paul and the Los Angeles Clippers did their job. Now they can sit back and wait to see what shakes out on the final day of the NBA regular season.

  • [New York Times] Judge Rules Wife of Former L.A. Clippers Owner Owed $2.6 Million: Lawyer (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 06:13:50 GMT)

    A judge ruled on Tuesday that the wife of former Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling is owed $2.6 million from the woman he lavished with gifts and was behind his downfall, the wife’s lawyer said.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:31:57 GMT)

    C.J. Miles scored 25 points, George Hill added 24 and together they keyed a 7-2 spurt to open the second overtime Tuesday night as Indiana kept its playoff hopes alive with a 99-95 victory over Washington.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Pacers Win Sixth Straight, Keeping Hopes Alive (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:58:04 GMT)

    C. J. Miles scored 25 points, George Hill added 24, and together they keyed a 7-2 spurt to open the second overtime as Indiana beat Washington.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Survive Scare With 99-95 Double OT Win Over Wizards (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:40:58 GMT)

    C.J. Miles and George Hill helped Indiana survive Part I of its playoff push Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Suspense Goes Down to Wire for New York Teams (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:19:37 GMT)

    In their final game of the regular season, the Nets will be hoping to squeeze into the Eastern Conference’s final playoff spot. The Knicks could benefit from losing.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:43:59 GMT)

    C.J. Miles scored 25 points, George Hill added 24 and together they keyed a 7-2 spurt to open the second overtime Tuesday night as Indiana kept its playoff hopes alive with a 99-95 victory over Washington.

  • [New York Times] Crowder’s Long Fall-Away Lifts Celtics Over Raptors, 95-93 (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:08:21 GMT)

    The Boston Celtics knew they were in the playoffs. Now they can start thinking about a matchup with LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Superfan Is Set to Be There to the Bitter End (Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:51:04 GMT)

    Dennis Doyle, who decided to follow the Knicks around for the season after losing his job, spent $26,000 to take in 64 losses (and 17 wins). “I’m so shot,” he said before Wednesday’s finale.

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    86 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.04.15)”

    1. Here’s to Russell taking 45 shots and scoring 40 points tonight and to Wiggins and Zach LaVine becoming the players we all knew they couldn’t be. Maybe Gorgui Dieng will pull a Willis Reed and hobble out onto the field with his “concussion” and win one for America. And by America I mean New York.

    2. Also how has Calderon been when he plays SG over the course of his career? After a cursory check of basketball reference it looks like he only played dedicated shooting guard for a whole season once in his rookie year; he didnt do very well but that probably isn’t due to being miscast so much as it is rookie stuff. I was thinking that he could maybe turn into a better version of Jason Kidd on the Knicks since he can’t drive and defer the main pg duties to Shved or our draft pick or something. It might help to maximize his strengths.

    3. That Knicks superfan who has gone to every Knick game this season should be invited to this blog

    4. I don’t think I’ve ever been less informed about an NBA season than I currently am. Not sure when I threw the towel in, but I just checked back in and am shocked. Paul George is back? Derrick Rose isn’t dead? I thought the Spurs were taking the regular season off but now they’re 3rd? This is all news to me.

      The fact that we won two games (and will probably win a third) to derail our future, however, is absolutely not a shock to me. That’s the one thing I woke up to that made perfect sense.

      Maybe this works out. Maybe this is one of those drafts where you want to have the 3rd or 4th pick because the guards are actually better than the bigs. I doubt it, though. Chances are that Mudiay and Russell will outshine Okafor and Towns only if we end up in the top 2. And if we end up 3rd, Okafor and Towns will be future hall of famers.

      God I hate this team. Just trade Carmelo Anthony, please, so we can start over. That’s all I ask.

    5. Hey, why don’t we do a “serious” but maybe funny and surely completely pointless exercise in casting our Knickerblogger ballots for MVP, DPOY, ROTY, COTY, MIP (minimum 20 ballots cast. Ballots open until April 16th, 5 PM. Voting system exactly identical to the one the NBA utilizes)? When the ballots are close, we count the votes and then send the winners for each award a JD and the Straight Shot CD, signed by Mike Kurylo and a little sticker that says “Knickerblogger 2015 NBA MVP (or DPOY, etc.)?

      I’m only half-joking.

      My ballots are as follow:

      MVP

      1. James Harden
      2. Steph Curry
      3. Anthony Davis
      4. Chris Paul
      5. LeBron James

      DPOY

      1. Kawhi Leonard
      2. Draymond Green
      3. Marc Gasol

      ROTY

      1. Nikola Mirotic
      2. Nerlens Noel
      3. Elfrid Payton

      COTY

      1. Mike Budenholzer
      2. Steve Kerr
      3. Brad Stevens

      MIP

      1. James Harden
      2. Klay Thompson
      3. Hassan Whiteside

      Come on guys, join in!

    6. MVP
      1. Chris Paul
      2. Anthony Davis
      3. Steph Curry
      4. Lebron
      5. Harden

      DPOY
      1. Draymond Green
      2. Kawhi Leonard
      3. Rudy Gobert

      ROTY
      1. Nikola Mirotic
      2. Nerlens Noel
      3. Elfrid Payton

      COTY
      1. Popovich
      2. Steve Kerr
      3. Mike Budenholzer

      MIP
      1. Hassan Whiteside
      2. Rudy Gobert
      3. Klay Thompson

    7. I think when a team dominates the league for the entire regular season (in a very competitive conference), everybody else should be an also-ran:

      MVP: Curry
      DPOY: Green
      COY: Kerr
      MIP: Jimmy Butler (but could just as easily be Green)
      ROY: Noel (the 6ers winning 18 games Is more impressive even than the Warriors winning 67)

    8. MVP and MIP for the beard eh?

      Yup, but that’s just my opinion. And Most Improved Player is typically the award where everyone has different criteria. For me is much greater a small improvement of an All-NBA player than a great improvement of a non-entity. But that’s just me. I see the improvement curve as a logarithmic one.

      EDIT: Also, there are around 40 candidates every year. You could make a case for a player on almost every team. Hawks: Carroll. Celts: Zeller. Bobcats: maybe MKG? Bulls: Butler. Cavs: well, nobody, ok. Pistons: Jennings. And so on. Even we could have a marginal candidate in Lou Amundson.

    9. Sorry, I want to wallow in misery a little longer.

      You know what gets me the most? I am 1000% sure that Derek Fisher is going to go to the whip on this team in the final game to get that third straight win over a Detroit team that probably just wants to go home.

      We are the dumbest entity in the universe.

    10. I stand by my stance that us winning a few games to possibly hurt us a few spots in the draft is not really a bad thing. Its not “so knicksy” to win games to do that.

      I know this is a stats driven blog but there is no guarantee the worst record nets us the number one pick or that even if it did, we would get the best player. Heck the 76ers might get the first or second pick and may not pick Towns or Okafor, so we could snag them at the 3 spot. WCS seems to be a very good player we could snag even if we drop to the 5th pick.

      Nothing is guaranteed. I get that this is our best (and only) draft pick, but that really isn’t Phil Jackson’s fault. If that upsets you, blame Dolan, Grunwald, Donnie…but don’t blame Phil. He has yet to trade away a first round and in fact every deal he’s done he’s gone for young players and second round picks. Dalembert was on the final year. The only bad move he’s made was Calderon and call me crazy, I’d still rather have him than Felton going forward. Plus he could be gone or stretched soon anyways. A lot of you will say resigning Melo was a bad move and that’s fair, but I don’t think any GM would be brought on board if Melo wasn’t resigned. And we have no idea if Melo will end up staying here anyways long term.

      Even if we get Towns and he turns into Tim Duncan, its gonna be a few years before that happens. Its a whole lot of pressure to put on a rookie to save the franchise. A top 5 pick and close to 30 million in cap space is going to help us a lot. Will it turn us into champions? Probably not but I think we should all just give the off season and the beginning of next year a chance. We lament how tanking is hurting the game yet we want our team to do it. That’s hypocrisy. Most of the moves Phil has made have gotten rid of malcontents and replaced them with young players who are hungry. That will pay off over time. We preach patience but don’t really want it in practice.

    11. “Curry is having a season for the ages, too. Look at those steal numbers! And the assists! And the scoring!”

      Don’t forget his 77 straight 3’s in practice. Seriously, that is just insane, go to your local gym some time, take about 2-3 steps behind the 3 point line and see how many 3’s you can make in a row.

      3 pointers have become foul shots for Steph.

    12. It’s not hypocritical to recognize that the lottery system as currently constructed gives teams perverse incentives to lose games while also encouraging your team to follow that path. You are not obligated to commit organizational hara-kiri just because you believe that tanking is wrong–at best it’s supererogatory. Your position is analogous to a common and lame argument about how communists living in any capitalist nation-state (read: almost every country in the world with the exception of failed states like Sudan and Somalia) aren’t consistent because they refuse to live in caves or in communes in Antarctica and it’s equally unconvincing here.

      I think a case could be made for any of the top 5 players I’m just biased toward excellent defensive play which is why I have CP3 and AD as my top 2.

    13. I stand by my stance that us winning a few games to possibly hurt us a few spots in the draft is not really a bad thing. Its not “so knicksy” to win games to do that.

      It may not have the worst possible outcome, but it is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. And for once, I would just love to see us do ANYTHING OTHER THAN the dumbest possible thing you could do.

      This reeks of ongoing organizational stupidity. Fisher evens seems proud, and that just grates me even more.

    14. Farfa, I think the poll is a great idea. Here are my votes. I left out DPOY, MIP and ROY because I haven’t seen enough non Knicks games or read enough statistics to judge. I added GM of the year, which I think is a fascinating category this year.

      MVP:
      1. Harden
      2. Davis
      3. Paul
      4. Curry
      5. James

      COY:
      1. Kerr
      2. Budenholzer
      3. Vogel
      4. Kidd

      GMOY:
      1. David Griffin (Cleveland)
      2. Bob Myers (GSW)
      3. Masai Ujiri (Toronto)

      Generally I don’t want to give GM of the year and coach of the year to the same team, but with Golden State, you have to give credit to Myers for firing Jackson and hiring Kerr and for not trading Thompson; and Kerr has clearly done an outstanding job as coach.

      You can see I tend to give credit for doing better than expected, not just for being good. Boston is well coached, but they also would be expected to improve as their young players get better, so I didn’t vote for Stevens

    15. Here’s how crazy we (i.e., Knicks fans in general) are. I was thinking of taking my kids to the game tonight, so I checked stubhub. There are 14 games tonight and the Knicks game has the third highest ticket prices of all games. The cheapest seats available are $51. We are all nuts.

    16. Fisher evens seems proud

      I hope he’s smarter than Byron Scott and this is just a facade. I hope it so much. But I also understand that a coach can’t say anything else to the media, so we shouldn’t read too much into that. I just hope who’s in charge (Phil) understands odds enough that he is texting Fisher with “Hey, why don’t we give Ledo the start tonight?” and “You know, Lou Amundson and Langston Galloway have earned some deserved rest, don’t you think?”.

      The sad truth: this is the last home game in NY for many of these guys. Lou Amundson has no certainty to be back next year, but this has been by far his best NBA season, so he’s going to scrap his ass off around the court like it’s the last day of his life. Galloway (I know, he’ll be around next year for sure, but still) is a proud kid and will defend with every drop of sweat in his body. Ditto for Lance Thomas. Jason Smith is crazy and might post a 20-10 game just for fuck’s sake. Shane Larkin has his next contract on the line (my prediction: wherever Thibs will be). Cole Aldrich has followed ’01 Shaq training regimen: if we went to the playoffs he would drop 25-12 on everyone, but no playoffs, so in this game he’s going to ball like a demon. And so on.

      The upside: Reggie Jackson strikes me as a guy who is not… the sharpest tool in the box. He might sense an opportunity to score pointz and try to seize the game. Let’s hope he’s successful (and makes his shots).

    17. Jason Smith is crazy and might post a 20-10 game just for fuck’s sake

      Funny. I don’t want Jah around anymore but I’ve come to appreciate his eye-bulging, shit-talking craziness. I’ll be happy that he goes away, but I know that some lonely nights in mid November I’ll miss him. Like a crazy, ugly girlfriend who, in the end, was always there for you.

    18. Maybe this works out. Maybe this is one of those drafts where you want to have the 3rd or 4th pick because the guards are actually better than the bigs.

      I know it sucks that the treads have fallen off our tank a bit, but I think there are at least 6 really strong players in this class that I’d be ecstatic to get. Towns is, IMHO, by far the most desirable, but Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, WCS, and Justise Winslow all could be really high quality players. Even that Porzingis guy, mysterious euro guy or not, has outstanding stats playing as what looks to be a 7 foot small forward in the second best league in the world as a 19 year old. he’s basically averaging 20 pts, 8 rebounds, 1.8 steals, and 2.3 blocks per 40, shooting 45.9% from 3 point range with a TS of 64. Playing against grown men as a 19 year old. These numbers compare favorably to Mirotic as a 23 year old.

      If anything, how well we’ve played the last few games may hopefully make Phil realize that Bargnani is a PROBLEM, not a misunderstood solution.

    19. This is all just so pitifully inevitable. Of course we are going to win this game to close out the season with a meaningless three-game winning streak, and of course we’re going to miss out on a great player by one draft slot. We’re the Knicks. This is the way shit goes down around here. I’m just going to sit back and watch the whole pathetic miserable thing unfold in real time and try to enjoy it as some sort of cosmic comedy.

    20. You know what gets me the most? I am 1000% sure that Derek Fisher is going to go to the whip on this team in the final game to get that third straight win over a Detroit team that probably just wants to go home.

      If I may join you in your wallow, it’s important for us to carry some momentum over into the offseason. Sure, it took 79 games, but it’s pretty clear this team gets it now and free agents are going to be happy to join a team heading in the right direction.

    21. we all know that coaches and players don’t tank. and honestly it’s not Phil’s fault that Bargnani got hurt thereby causing our tank to self-destruct.

      Sounds like this Monroe thing might happen. WCS or Towns with Monroe in the front court (preferably Towns of course) would be really nice. Amundsen and Jah as 3rd and 4th big men is fine with me.

      Let’s say we wanted to re-sign Jah to something more than the vet’s minimum. we’d have to renounce even Non-bird exception right?

    22. Why on earth would we want Jah at the vet’s minimum, much less something more than the vet’s minimum? I wouldn’t want him on the Knicks if he played for free. Dude is a terrible basketball player.

    23. –Dude is a terrible basketball player.

      I think hes serviceable for the vet min 5-6 mins a night.

    24. Serviceable? He’s really bad at playing professional basketball. Given the choice between a really bad player like Jason Smith, or a mediocre player (this assumes you can get below average, but not terrible basketball player for the vet minimum), why would you choose the really bad player?

    25. I think Jah is a pretty serviceable bench big who already knows the system. 7 foot guys that are serviceable generally get more than the vet’s minimum, no? I’m not saying pay him $5MM per year, but perhaps just more than anyone else can offer as a vet’s minimum.

      Plus it looks like Fish is experimenting more with him being a true stretch big – on a per-game basis he’s taking 4x as many 3’s since the ASB as before. that’s still only about 1+ per game, but he’s shooting ~36% overall.

      What do people think about bringing Shved back? he was literally the only guard we had this whole year who could break defenders down off the dribble (Kawhi Leonard no less!)

    26. I mean, Jason Smith is bad at scoring, rebounding, and playing defense. How is that serviceable? He sucks. He should be out of the league next year.

    27. Hes not good but he can come in and hit a few shots. Im not advocating for the dude just saying.

    28. It may not have the worst possible outcome, but it is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. And for once, I would just love to see us do ANYTHING OTHER THAN the dumbest possible thing you could do.

      This reeks of ongoing organizational stupidity. Fisher evens seems proud, and that just grates me even more.

      Absolutely! And where is Phil in this?

    29. Months ago, I made comments that the knicks would put together a season ending win streak to hurt their lottery seed. To actually see it happening is infuriating.

    30. Here’s how crazy we (i.e., Knicks fans in general) are. I was thinking of taking my kids to the game tonight, so I checked stubhub. There are 14 games tonight and the Knicks game has the third highest ticket prices of all games. The cheapest seats available are $51. We are all nuts.

      Seriously!! My wife has been wanting to go to some games this year but they’ve all been so insanely overpriced. I just can’t believe that they never actually went down in price. They’ve just stayed high. In the old days, when the Knicks sucked, at least the tickets were cheap.

    31. Months ago, I made comments that the knicks would put together a season ending win streak to hurt their lottery seed. To actually see it happening is infuriating.

      As soon as they began to suck, that’s what all of us were expecting. The only thing that I’m surprised by is that they didn’t win enough to take themselves even out of the top four. I suppose that would have been the Knicksiest thing of all.

    32. Look, if I’m Phil this is how it goes down:

      I invite Bargnani into my office. I tell him “Bargs, this team gave up a lot to get you, and this is what it’s all for. This is your chance leave a legacy in NY. This is the last game of your contract. Go out tonight and show them what you’re capable of. Be selfish tonight, we need you.”

      Then I tell Fisher that Bargs plays all 48.

      Then we’ll be fine.

    33. If I may join you in your wallow, it’s important for us to carry some momentum over into the offseason. Sure, it took 79 games, but it’s pretty clear this team gets it now and free agents are going to be happy to join a team heading in the right direction.

      COL, DRed.

      (That’s cry out loud, of course.)

    34. mvp: 1. Curry 2. Harden 3. Paul 4. AD 5. Lebron
      dpoy 1. Kawhi 2. D. Green 3. MKG 4. Gobert 5. Duncan
      (best defenders in order: MKG, Bogut, Kawhi, & Tony Allen but not all played full seasons)
      roty 1. Mirotic 2. Noel 3. Smart 4. Payton 5. Clarkson
      coy 1. Kerr 2. Budenholzer 3. Stevens 4. Vogel 5. Kidd
      mip 1. Gobert 2. D Green 3. Butler 4. Harden 5. H Barnes

    35. I know it sucks that the treads have fallen off our tank a bit, but I think there are at least 6 really strong players in this class that I’d be ecstatic to get. Towns is, IMHO, by far the most desirable, but Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, WCS, and Justise Winslow all could be really high quality players. Even that Porzingis guy, mysterious euro guy or not, has outstanding stats playing as what looks to be a 7 foot small forward in the second best league in the world as a 19 year old. he’s basically averaging 20 pts, 8 rebounds, 1.8 steals, and 2.3 blocks per 40, shooting 45.9% from 3 point range with a TS of 64. Playing against grown men as a 19 year old. These numbers compare favorably to Mirotic as a 23 year old.

      Frank, I don’t argue with any of this. For all I know, the 3rd pick in the draft could be the best. I am not saying that falling out of the top 2 dooms the Knicks.

      I am, however, saying that exerting effort to push yourself out of the top 2 is really discouraging and signifies more of the same mindlessness I have become accustomed to around here.

    36. Here’s an excellent point that just occurred to me. By staggering their games tonight, the NBA basically allows the Memphis Grizzlies to know whether they even need to win tonight. And by doing so, they can affect who makes the playoffs in the Eastern Conference. Both the Rockets and the Spurs play 8:00 PM games. Memphis plays at 9:30 PM. If Houston and San Antonio both win, Memphis is locked into the #6 seed, so there’s no reason for them to play their starters. And if they rest their starters, their opponent, Indiana, will likely win, giving Indiana the #8 seed in the East.

      The NFL specifically has games scheduled at the same time to avoid this exact problem.

    37. I can’t believe anybody, after watching Jason Smith play 1700 minutes of dreadful basketball, would think he is useful for any purpose other than trying to intentionally lose. He is a big man with a sub-.500 TS% who plays crap defense and doesn’t rebound. Other than sucking giant elephant dongs on both ends of the floor and being bad at just about every component of basketball, he’s perfectly “serviceable.”

      Oh yeah, I forgot, something something “triangle,” something something “floor spacing.”

    38. ———I can’t believe anybody, after watching Jason Smith play 1700 minutes of dreadful basketball, would think he is useful for any purpose other than trying to intentionally lose. He is a big man with a sub-.500 TS% who plays crap defense and doesn’t rebound. Other than sucking giant elephant dongs on both ends of the floor and being bad at just about every component of basketball, he’s perfectly “serviceable.”

      Oh yeah, I forgot, something something “triangle,” something something “floor spacing.”

      To be fair i havent watched the Knicks and months and i just saw that hes shooting 43.6 percent from the field. Ouch. Yea he sucks

    39. There’s a apocryphal (Cronin?) story about Bill Veeck telling Eddie Gaedel that a sniper on the roof of Sportsman’s Park would shoot him if he swung at a pitch. Dolan could do something similar.

    40. Dolan could do something similar.

      I think Dolan wants to win the game. And I think Fisher knows he gains favor with Dolan if he ends the season on a 3 game win streak.

    41. Maybe this works out. Maybe this is one of those drafts where you want to have the 3rd or 4th pick because the guards are actually better than the bigs.

      Hmm. Like in 2009 perhaps?…

      mvp: 1. Curry 2. Harden

    42. –I think Dolan wants to win the game. And I think Fisher knows he gains favor with Dolan if he ends the season on a 3 game win streak.

      This is funny as hell.

    43. Yesterday I posted an idea to fix the lottery but I quickly tried to delete it when I had a better idea. Brian Cronin suggested that my idea was too complicated and it was.

      The better idea comes from my fantasy baseball league. We used to use the reverse order of last season’s standing to determine waiver-wire priority for the first two weeks of the next season. Last year we changed it because we had too many teams that were tanking and selling out. In our 15-team league (very deep keeper league) 5 teams place in “the money”. What we did is say that the order (based on standings) would be the order from 6-15 followed by the 5 teams in reverse order.

      For the NBA this would mean that the team that just misses out on the playoffs, with the best record, would get the 1st pick (or most ping-pong balls). The worst team would pick right before the playoff teams. What this does is give incentive to all teams to compete until the end.

      While yesterday’s thought was kind of tongue-in-cheek, this one I’m serious about. Thoughts?

      (Sorry, I can’t pick award winners because I stopped watching hoops a few months ago.)

    44. I like your idea, GoNY etc. It brings some incentives to tank for teams in the playoff bubble, but that incentives become real only at the very end of the season. It’s certainly better than the current system.

    45. The easiest way to reduce tanking would be to even out lottery odds. Every team in the lottery has an equal chance at the top three picks and then 4-14 is in order of record after that. That gives a better pick to bad teams but by evening out the top three picks you reduce the hardcore tanking by lottery teams. On top of that I would make every traded pick top 3 protected so teams cannot pull a knicks and give away franchise changing talent because of shortsighted management.

    46. For the NBA this would mean that the team that just misses out on the playoffs, with the best record, would get the 1st pick (or most ping-pong balls). The worst team would pick right before the playoff teams. What this does is give incentive to all teams to compete until the end.

      This does seem to work out better for the team, the player, and the league when the best team in the lottery wins it. Think of the Magic adding Penny to Shaq, or Derrick Rose winning the MVP two years after joining a nearly playoff team. Cleveland kind of disqualified themselves from the equation by trading their suped-up Shumpert to Minnesota.

      I think it would better for all involved if it happened this way. But America is oddly obsessed with making sure that our sports leagues absolutely, positively never reflect the reality of the capitalist society we built, so we’re just going to have to stick with the draft while we complain about socialism in any other facet of life.

    47. The only way to disincentivize tanking is to incentivize winning, even for the bad teams.

      For instance —

      1) take all non playoff teams
      2) randomly decide AFTER the season on a number of losses at which the “win count” starts (I’ll explain)
      3) the team with the highest win count either gets the 1st pick or gets the most lottery balls in some sort of a heavily weighted system.

      For example:
      after the season 15 ping pong balls go into a hopper labeled 40-54
      Let’s say ball 45 is picked.
      Then you go to each team’s schedule — after loss 45, how many wins did the team have?
      The team with the most wins after loss “x” wins.

      For this season:
      – the Knicks had 7 wins after loss 45
      – Wolves = 3
      – Sixers = 6
      – Orlando = 4
      – Lakers = 5
      – Sacramento = 2
      – Denver = 3
      and etc.

      So in this example, the Knicks would have the most lottery balls, 76ers 2nd, Lakers 3rd, etc. the lottery could be weighted much more heavily than it is now since it was actually created to disincentivize tanking anyway.

      The key is that the number is not revealed until after the season, so that teams can’t just “flip a switch” and start trying to win games after tanking to a certain loss # in the early season. There’s no point in tanking late because it’s WINS that help you. Truly bad teams (like the Knicks) would have more games in which to accumulate points — we reached 45 losses by Feb 22, giving us 27 games in which to accumulate win points.

      This would also eliminate teams that juuust miss the playoffs – if you don’t even have 45 losses in this example, you can’t accumulate any win points, and so you just get the #14 pick. Even better, it would eliminate end of season tanking for bubble lottery teams, since wins MIGHT still benefit you.

      just a thought.

    48. If we’re going to propose solutions that will never be implemented, just go straight to the answer: relegation.

      No one has ever tanked in a league that has it.

    49. I still don’t understand what’s so bad about tanking.

      From someone who agrees with tanking and has wanted to tank for most of the last 15 years, it’s miserable to watch and doesn’t put fans in seats.

      It also causes a lot of stupid arguments on blogs when anti-tankers accuse tankers if not being real fans.

    50. You know what else is miserable to watch? Awful teams that aren’t tanking. Is this team really worse to watch than the zeke team that won 23 games? Or the Larry Brown team that won 23 games? Or the Knicks team from the beginning of the season when we weren’t taking and were arguably even shittier than we are now? I’d rather root for a team being bad on purpose than a team being bad because management is inept.

    51. I mean, it has been miserable to watch. I certainly get that. But most of the last 15 or so Knicks seasons have been miserable to watch. We’ve had a winning team 4 goddamn times this millennium, and we were trying to win all those years.

    52. Yea a year or two of suckage can reap rewards. OKC is the most popular example. However they royally fucked themselves by trading James Harden rather than paying him.

    53. Yes, most of the last 15 years have been miserable. But, don’t those 32-35 win teams take on a different meaning if we know we have a good chance to add a top 3 pick in the offseason? You know, assuming we hadn’t already traded it.

      The worst thing about being stuck in that 30 win range is you know there’s very little chance of improving unless you have a young, potential superstar.

    54. Well, Blake Griffin and D’andre Jordan are at the table next to me right now, clearly carbing up for a night of tank watching tonight…

    55. Well generally isn’t it that tanking teams are bad because their management is inept and so they then decide to tank (besides Hinkie)? To me tanking is less the issue though it sucks to watch and more that the lottery rewards bad management. The NBA already has a parity problem though and to change the lottery to “wins after elimination” or something like that just rewards slightly below-par management and leaves teams at the bottom in a really tough place where they won’t be able to get far unless they get really lucky on the free agent market or something. I way prefer the wheel to a lottery/giving the mid tier non-playoff teams the priority picks. The wheel at least ensures that no one is rewarded for bad management, gets rid of the incentive to tank for organizations (it creates some incentives for college players to cherry pick what draft they’ll enter though) and is organized in such a way where the distribution of picks is relatively static (it doesn’t go in numerical order from where you start and every team is guaranteed a top 6 pick every 5 years) and allows smart gms at every stage of team-building to plan for their future intelligently instead of relying on random odds while also punishing bad management accordingly.

    56. But yeah I would also dig the fuck out of relegation even though it’s never gonna happen

    57. I get the not rewarding bad management, but let’s (hypothetically) imagine your team was owned by a complete and utter moron who was born into a disgusting amount of money and given a franchise that will keep getting more valuable no matter how badly he fucks up running it. If that team never gets a high draft pick, it is likely that they’re never going to be really good-which is certainly what the owner deserves-but it does really screw over the fans of the team.

    58. “I would also dig the fuck out of relegation”
      Except that it would likely result in the Knicks playing in the D-League…

    59. Losing billions of dollars has a way of getting the right people fired, though.

      Jimmy only gets to play with daddy’s toys because nothing he does can break them.

    60. “I get the not rewarding bad management, but let’s (hypothetically) imagine your team was owned by a complete and utter moron who was born into a disgusting amount of money and given a franchise that will keep getting more valuable no matter how badly he fucks up running it. If that team never gets a high draft pick, it is likely that they’re never going to be really good-which is certainly what the owner deserves-but it does really screw over the fans of the team.”

      Well that happens with the lottery too–I think it’s just that teams with Knicks-level bad management are going to be bad always and forever other than through accidentally picking the best player in the draft regardless of how the draft order is determined. For garden variety incompetence (i.e. not the Knicks), it’s less of an issue, I think. At least it prevents win streaks like our current one and the fateful 2008 one to mean anything and fuck over our draft position.

    61. Basically the only way the knicks are gonna fix their problem besides dumb luck is Dolan’s death by heart attack or socializing all sports teams a la green bay which I’d totally be down for because private ownership is lame especially when it’s of the inherited capitalist wealth variety.

    62. “I still don’t understand what’s so bad about tanking.”

      I think eliminating ALL tanking is totally unnecessary. It is by far more important to give truly lousy teams a chance to improve than it is to prevent them from maximizing their odds. The current system barely rewards abject tanking (nobody has better than a 25% chance for a first pick or even a 50% chance for a top-2 pick.) So tanking only has marginal benefits under the current system.

      For me, (especially as a Knicks fan), a much bigger problem is that teams squander draft picks in stupid trades (e.g. Bargnani, Eddy Curry) and cripple the franchise for years, given the cap constraints.

      I think the following would make for a much more exciting and balanced league:

      1. Completely eliminate trading of draft picks. Drafted players can’t be traded until they have been with the drafting team for one year.
      2. Give the bottom 6 teams equal odds of the 1st pick (say 12.5%)
      3. Give the next 8 teams equal odds of the 1st pick (say 3.125%)
      4. Give all teams an “amnesty” waiver every 3 years or so, if not more.

      I understand that some here think that teams with dumb owners and management get what they deserve, but is it good for the league when teams have the ability to hamstring themselves for a decade? I mean, there is a provision that prevents a team from having no #1 pick for consecutive years, but that doesn’t keep a team from trading the pick right after the draft.

      Ultimately, the league is best served when there is a reasonable amount of parity and resilience built into the system. The NFL, for example, has absolutely no tank prevention, but the cap/non-guaranteed contract/franchise/etc. rules make it so that any team can go from bad to good in 2-3 years, even without a franchise quarterback.

      Thoughts?

    63. Dolan also owns the Rangers, who were the best team in the NHL this year…

      Shhhh!!!! He doesn’t know that.

    64. Yeah but that’s because Glen Sather’s really, really good at his job (Phil isn’t there yet) and Dolan finally learned his lesson at least regarding the NHL and stepped aside (perhaps he has for the Knicks as well, one can only hope)–but the larger point is that being able to inherit ownership of a sports team is dumb just like the rest of inherited mass wealth and makes it so that the team can be hamstrung for 10-15 years just by virtue of something as contingent as its owner. Socializing sports teams is the best idea but it ain’t happening so I guess we’re stuck with Dolan and praying for a heart attack. Or a great job by PJ but it’s not looking auspicious.

    65. I personally think the Knicks should be undergoing a long-term tank, and shouldn’t just tank this season. Instead of “reloading” with Greg Monroe and whatever other career .130 WS48 players are available, they should be trying to convince MegaMaxMelo that the team is probably gonna suck for a while and he should consider waiving that no-trade clause. Move him for a 2016 first-rounder and other assets, and embrace a thorough, patient tank.

      This will happen approximately never.

    66. Yeah I mean MMM was a bad signing as we’ve gone over and I’m not sure which alternative is worse: that Phil thought it was a good signing–which implies that he’s dumb, or that Dolan expected it of him–which implies that Dolan isn’t done tampering with the Knicks for whatever reason.

      A long-term rebuild is the smartest option but we’ve already hamstrung ourselves so unless we get a good trade offer for Melo we gotta ride or die with him. Personally I’m fine with being consistently meh as long as we manage to build up even a mediocre set of picks given how long this team has gone without young talent.

    67. Don’t forget that the Rangers had their own tremendous stretch of futility from 1997 through 2004. The real game changer was the 2004 lockout. It came in with a salary cap that was at half the Rangers’ bloated payroll, forcing them to unload all their veterans and go with youth. Without that divine intervention, it’s quite likely they would have continued to throw good money at bad money and gone on with their spiral.

      Also, the NHL talent pool is significantly deeper across the world. You can trade away all your first round draft picks (and believe me, Glen Sather has done just that) and still find talent like Henrik Lundqvist in the seventh round.

      But the real difference is that the Rangers are not glamorous so Dolan doesn’t get involved. The Knicks are his prized toy. Also, he thinks he knows something about basketball. He knows he knows nothing about hockey.

    68. MVP

      1. Curry
      2. CP3
      3. Harden
      4. A. Davis
      5. Westbrook

      DPOY

      1. Gobert
      2. Kawhi
      3. Marc Gasol

      ROTY

      1. Mirotic
      2. Wiggins
      3. Noel

      COTY

      1. Kerr
      2. Popovich
      3. Budenholzer

      MIP

      1. H. Whiteside
      2. J. Butler
      3. K. Thompson

    69. But the real difference is that the Rangers are not glamorous so Dolan doesn’t get involved. The Knicks are his prized toy. Also, he thinks he knows something about basketball. He knows he knows nothing about hockey.

      Yeah this is what I’m afraid of

    70. Dolan also owns the Rangers, who were the best team in the NHL this year…

      And in the NHL they seem to have dudes on 14 year contracts. 14 years! Imagine the damage Isiah could have done with that tool. (Not to mention MMM into his mid-40s)

    71. Well guys, here’s to hoping that Greg Monroe really wants to impress his future employer and puts up something like 36 points and 18 rebounds tonight…

    72. I will be bummed if we don’t get a top 3 (really top 2) pick. But I guess the teeth gnashing just rubs me the wrong way because if we don’t get the top pick or two then everyone is gonna spend all of next year complaining about how we didn’t tank properly and that poor rookie we do draft is gonna get torn apart by fans (not that he’ll read this blog). And if we do land the top pick or two, its gonna be a hell of a lot of pressure on that kid to save the franchise.

      We got to build a team. We need a good draft pick. We need good FAs on reasonable contracts. And we need to get lucky with 2nd rounders and d-leaguers. Even then we gotta gel as a team. The draft pick is just one piece of that puzzle. Its important but its not the only thing that matters.

    73. From someone who agrees with tanking and has wanted to tank for most of the last 15 years, it’s miserable to watch and doesn’t put fans in seats.

      It also causes a lot of stupid arguments on blogs when anti-tankers accuse tankers if not being real fans.

      I think the biggest problem that irked the anti-tankers wasn’t so much the clearing house and playing young prospects as has been done by many teams; it was the assertion that the pro-tankers believe it acceptable for players and coaches to throw games intentionally. In the end we all want the same thing (being a high draft pick), so I guess the two views ultimately cancel each other out.

      Hopefully I am not too late, but my season awards are as follow:

      MVP: 1. Steph Curry 2. James Harden 3. Chris Paul 4. Russell Westbrook 5. Anthony Davis

      ROY: 1. Nerlens Noel 2. Mirotic 3. Elfrid Payton 4. Jordn Clarkson 5. Marcus Smart

      DPOY: 1. Draymond Green 2. Marc Gasol 3. Kahwi Leonard 4. DeAndre Jordan

      MIP: 1. Klay Thompson 2. Hassan Whiteside 3. Rudy Gobert

      COY: 1. Steve Kerr 2. Mike Budenholzer 3. Brad Stevens 4. Greg Popovich

    74. MVP
      1. Steph Curry
      2. Anthony Davis
      3. Harden
      4. Lebron
      5. Westbrook

      DPOY
      1. Draymond Green
      2. Kawhi Leonard
      3. Rudy Gobert

      ROTY
      1. Lavine
      2. Wiggins
      3. Elfrid Payton

      COTY
      1. Mike Budenholzer
      2. Steve Kerr
      3. Popovich

      MIP
      1. Rudy Gobert
      2. Hassan Whiteside
      3. Klay Thompson

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