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    My best advice when the Knicks suffer a tough loss is to just pretend that you aren’t a Knicks fan, and you were just looking at this series from a distance. You’d say, “Oh, okay, the home team with the missing superstar rallied together to win a game down 3-1 before they lose in six games,” right?

    It happens fairly frequently. 28% of playoff series that were 3-1 end in 6 games, and I would better dollars to donuts that the majority of that 28% was with the home team winning Game 5.

    So yes, Game 5 sucked, but if you took a totally detached viewpoint of the series, you’d still assume the team up 3-2 will close it out in 6.

    just pretend that you aren’t a Knicks fan

    Aka Donnie’s coping mechanism.

    Be careful not to go as far as him, though. He got lost in the sauce and hasn’t found his way back yet. Poor guy’s happier than all of us.

    It happens fairly frequently. 28% of playoff series that were 3-1 end in 6 games

    ChatGPT responds: “About 17% of NBA playoff series that are 3–1 end in seven games”.

    The Knicks should win tomorrow but if they disgrace themselves by losing on the boards again, who knows.

    Also I’m worried about OG’s hamstring.

    OG def looks like he’s laboring out there and Thibs just left him out there.

    Can we please try someone else instead of Cam Payne? There’s no way any of the other guys will be worse than what he’s given.

    ChatGPT responds: “About 17% of NBA playoff series that are 3–1 end in seven games”.

    True, the Knicks could possibly win in seven games. Unless there is some injury news, the Knicks aren’t losing three straight playoff games to a Tatum-less Celtics team, especially not with only one day off between Games 5 and 6 (which hurts Holiday and Horford)

    we need someone out there who can play defense where is delon wright

    Is the 2013 Celtics series the last time the Knicks clinched a playoff series at home?

    It happens fairly frequently. 28% of playoff series that were 3-1 end in 6 games, and I would better dollars to donuts that the majority of that 28% was with the home team winning Game 5.

    So yes, Game 5 sucked, but if you took a totally detached viewpoint of the series, you’d still assume the team up 3-2 will close it out in 6.

    I’m certainly not going to panic but it is a really bad loss.

    I have a friend who is a Pacers fan, and he pointed out that the last time both the Knicks and the Pacers made the NBA Finals, it was against each other in the Conference Finals (1999 and 2000, respectively).

    Is the 2013 Celtics series the last time the Knicks clinched a playoff series at home?

    No, because we didn’t clinch at home. I think you have to go back to 1999 for the last time we did that.

    the Knicks aren’t losing three straight playoff games to a Tatum-less Celtics team

    Brian, please. I’m nervous enough.

    What do you think of the Superman reboot? A lot riding on this.

    The Knicks are the equivalent of receiving an unexpectedly high grade for an exam in which you guessed on 90% of the questions. Reality sets in on the next test when you score a 40 out of a 100. The wins are nice, but the overall feeling is lousy.

    I have a friend who is a Pacers fan, and he pointed out that the last time both the Knicks and the Pacers made the NBA Finals, it was against each other in the Conference Finals (1999 and 2000, respectively).

    ’94, too.

    the only time we have lost a 3-1 playoff series lead was to the miami heat in the 1997 ec semis when there was that player fight and suspensiions from game 5 including patrick ewing allan houston and charlie ward for game 6 and john starks and larry johnson for game 7 in miami

    Much as it was right there for the taking after the first half, there was something that felt kind of inevitable about last night. I don’t have any grand takeaways besides hoping Mikal Bridges realizes that he will not get the chance to do any 4th quarter heroics if he plays so badly in quarters 1-3 that Pacome Dadiet sees the floor in the 4th. I could certainly live with a 30/10 as opposed to 40/0 minutes split between him and Shamet sometimes.

    OG’s play tends to be a good barometer for our offense as a whole, IMO. He’s mediocre at creating his own shot, so for the most part if he’s scoring well it means the ball is moving, we’re responding intelligently to the defense, all that jazz. When we’re not doing that stuff he’s liable for duds.

    No, because we didn’t clinch at home. I think you have to go back to 1999 for the last time we did that.

    Oh, good call, I forgot that the Knicks were the higher seed that season (I SHOULDN”T have, but I did).

    So, yeah, I guess it was the Conference Finals win against the Pacers in 1999. Crazy.

    Last time Knicks clinched a playoff series at MSG was Game 6 of the 1999 Conference Finals thanks to Allan Houston going off in the 2nd half.

    Literally stuffing my fucking gourd with pickled herring on kichels all day long.

    Just keep in mind – every playoff game is an entity unto itself, there’s no carryover effect. Look at game 3 vs. game 4.

    That game really sucked, mostly because we were right there at halftime and then played like the 3 Stooges in the third quarter. But I don’t expect Dikembe Kornet to get another 7 blocks, and I do expect that funny face White will actually miss a few shots here and there.

    it was more than that we were right there at ht we also had a nice 9point lead in the first half

    Good to see today’s thread toxicity levels are tolerable. Let’s hope it stays that way.

    It was a bad night, a bad game, and frustrations are understandable. Remember, however, that a) this team is what it is, b) we have two more chances, and c) the odds are still in our favor.

    Aka Donnie’s coping mechanism.

    Be careful not to go as far as him, though. He got lost in the sauce and hasn’t found his way back yet. Poor guy’s happier than all of us.

    i’ve been meaning to admit something. in the mid 90s i was finishing up with my therapist and she ended our session as usual, stumbling out the back door holding a paper bag, an umbrella and a GNC supersized bottle of ginseng. at that moment an obscenely overweight but otherwise unassuming fellow donning a less than pristine autographed charles smith jersey trudged in. to no fault of my own but perhaps encouraged by an unfortunate moment of aeron chair testing, the young man may well have taken me for his new clinician given what followed.

    too polite to interject, i weathered an unabridged expatiation that in my mind cast a serious challenge to the impossibility of the penrose stairs. i won’t pretend to have caught every nuance being fairly untrained in a new vocation, but can recall some very acute symptoms of advanced arithmophobia, as the poor boy explained that he was physically no longer able to order his cherished 2 for $18 chimichanga special at chi chi’s without breaking into tremors, and had developed a compulsive urge to vandalize wristwatch faces by drawing eights on the nine second position. according to my lengthy notes he was also burdened with a vexing logistical predicament, having overwhelmed his parents’ composting pantry with dozens of faux armani suits and several years supply of LA Looks styling gel that were apparently no longer sartorially relevant.

    fearing that this case was far too urgent to withstand an unpredictable interregnum of standard office operations, i did my best to step into the lacuna. i confidently handed over my well worn copy of awaken the giant within (prudently reupholstered with infinite jest cover art to divert public admirers) and advised doubling down on his current vices and loyalties whenever feasible to avoid acquiring the stink of a young scaramouch and future umarell before accepting his personal check and bidding our adieus.

    it wasn’t until years later when searching for a regifting option and i came upon that treasured tome did the amusing nature of that exchange bring itself to light. i won’t go into detail to avoid the impression of pomp but suffice it to say at the time i was one of the more acclaimed artisans on the alt.tomhanks.fanfiction usenet. as quirk would have it what i in fact handed…let’s call him charles…was my opus forrest gump pastiche in which the protagonist, realizing both the beneficial taxation and post traumatic stress alleviating properties of forrest jr, goes on to adopt another forrest jr for every geography he’d encountered in his travels. he and lt dan, fresh off a close victory in the second annual orange country piggy-backed ultramarathon, even parlayed the celebrity rolodex he’d accumulated thanks to a secondary writing credit on ace of base’s the sign to start a lucrative consultation service in hollywood espousing the tax and reputational reward of hyperfostering until it was unceremoniously rendered obsolete by the ipo of orphanROI.com. since that day i’ve always wondered what became of that boy and specifically whether it might be feasible to seek the return of my errant largess.

    gooddrugs iwant me some of those fave part was the penrosestairs

    Fucked up joke, but it made me laugh.

    Derrick, Jrue, Al, Jaylen, Payton, Sam and Luke are sorta like Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan, rallying together to avenge their fallen comrade (trying to win the game for Jayson) and Porzingis is sorta like Tom Hanks in Philadelphia (dying of AIDS)

    Because I really don’t want to talk about the Knicks… how about some politics? Actually this about Superman again but it’s adjacent.

    One obscure thing I liked about the Superman trailer was that his parents looked like the kind of people who would have attended a few Trump rallies. I say this with optimism, as Hollywood has been very unkind towards that large component of our country. And one thing has really, really hurt reboots lately (cough, Star Wars, cough) has been unnecessary and thinly-veiled political commentary that aligned the heroes with a specific party and alienated half the country. The casting decision feels like a deliberate attempt to embrace and humanize Americans who have been labeled deplorable and have largely been omitted from the big screen over the last 8 years. And I like that.

    I also noticed Superman’s not looking very super in most of these images. His dog is literally licking his wounds. Superman was always a symbol of how America perceived itself, and this movie (from the trailer, at least) seems to recognize that we’re a little banged up right now. This makes me think we might actually get an original story worthy of the character.

    So I’m feeling optimistic. About Superman, if nothing else at the moment.

    Politics aside (because let’s not talk politics here, it’s worse than the Celtics winning by stomping on the Knicks’ collective throats), I worry that the new Superman will fail at an internal logic. If sometimes he’s dinged up and sometimes he can stop a howitzer with his palm, I will be furious. it will show a casual and venal disregard for the intelligence of its audience (which is also politics, and apparently works, but I’ll let that go).

    May sound a little odd, but to me that whole game turned in the 1st half, when Towns was rolling, seemingly could not be guarded, we’re up 6 or so, and then he picks up his third foul with about 8 mins remaining in the 2nd quarter. That was our oppy to build up a lead, take the crowd out of it, and take away their confidence. I don’t think Towns has picked up 3 dumber fouls this season, than he picked up in that 1st half.

    i think at least one of thoes three fouls was not deserved tibs leaving jalen in after he picked up his fourth foul in the third ws not a good idea do not see that very often especially since if the game was close we knew we would need him at the end of the game

    If sometimes he’s dinged up and sometimes he can stop a howitzer with his palm, I will be furious.

    I forgive you for forgetting that if he’s dinged up it just means someone found Kryptonite.

    I do expect that funny face White will actually miss a few shots here and there.

    Speaking of krytonite, I hear White’s is not being given 6 feet of space to step into every 3PA.

    What if we, like, put someone on him and tell that person not to leave him every time he sets a screen?

    Also let everyone know that he’s intentionally trailing every single play and waiting for the defense to sag so he can walk into a wide open 3PA.

    Honestly how did we not fix that in the first quarter? Did Thibs do literally anything last night?

    What do you think of the Superman reboot? A lot riding on this.

    My wife doesn’t care about any of these movies, and she is super pumped about seeing this one, so I think it’ll be good.

    What’s funny about my quote kicking off that brilliant ptmilo post is that it’s a lot like how Forrest dancing gave us Elvis.

    Upon some reflection and taking a klonopin to ease myself, yes the officiating was horrible, but Thibs was in full basketball terrorist mode last night.

    Bridges is hot to start the game? Make sure he doesn’t look at the ball again.

    Starters are cold? keep them in all 3rd Q during the Tony brothers experience.

    Listen, conspiracy brain aside, NBA needs money and the remaining teams are “who gives a shit” territory. Worse case scenario for NBA is no major market teams left. So I’d feel good about our chances if I wasn’t programmed to be a doomer by being NY fan.

    OG’s play tends to be a good barometer for our offense as a whole, IMO. He’s mediocre at creating his own shot, so for the most part if he’s scoring well it means the ball is moving, we’re responding intelligently to the defense, all that jazz. When we’re not doing that stuff he’s liable for duds.

    +1

    The frustrating part about last night’s game is that we’ve tended to get off to slow starts but in that game we were in position to kind of break it open and take whatever wind they had left out of their sails. Instead, the opposite happen.

    I think the officials have sucked. There’s no consistency and we’ve been on the wrong end if it.

    We’re 7-4 and have looked like a genuinely good team in approximately one of those 11 games. It’d be nice to have one of those games again where we actually play well wire to wire.

    i do no tthink that we played well wire to wire in any of the 11 games closest was game 4 but even then they had a double digt lead on us in the third quarter oh i guess i forgot game 1 versus detroit that was pretty convincing

    game 1 versus detroit that was pretty convincing

    We actually looked like we were gonna lose for most of that one but went on a 21-2 run in Q4

    The Jekyll and Hyde Knicks. Are they serious ballers or lucky fucks? It’s been that question all season.

    The game 4 win was sublime, but the players and especially Thibs never seem to recognize what they did well — in order to repeat it.

    Even moment to moment in games, it’s infuriating. Do they ever (ever?!) watch tape? I don’t think so. “Play harder, guys. Let the game come to you.”

    So now we are all Jekylls/Hydes ourselves. I love these Knicks but I also kinda hate them.

    It all makes sense now. We are going to lose the series.

    The Knicksiest possible outcome is now revealed:
    -Steal 2 wins early giving us hope
    -Go up 3-1 with an injury to Tatum making it look all but impossible to lose
    -Choke the 3-1 lead away to a Tatum-less Celtics team
    -Thibs keeps his job because ‘we took the defending champs to 7 games’ and we continue to run the worst offense in the league.

    I fully expect us to lose a close one in G6 because we never win a closeout game at home and then get blown out in G7.

    OG is clearly hurt and won’t be the same for the rest of the playoffs, so I guess it’s just as well. We don’t beat Indiana without him.

    Derrick White will continue to enjoy 10+ wide open threes a game even though he’s basically their only really scary offensive threat.

    Refs will continue with insane things like no FTAs for us in an entire half or 20 FTA in a quarter for BOS even though all they ever do is chuck threes.

    It’s written in the stars. The only consolation will be the narrative that Tatum is the most overrated superstar in the league.

    I guess OKC’s championship was always guaranteed anyway, but it would have been nice to have an ECF or finals run.

    the players and especially Thibs never seem to recognize what they did well

    This is actually the story of the whole Knicks organization since Leon got here.

    Thibs coached that whole game the same exact way he coached game 4.

    Whenever they do they something well, the next thing they do convinces you that it was just a case of the broken clock being right.

    Pags is what happens when you scavenge the motherboard from the corpse of the Hitchhikers Guide robot and put it in a Zoltar machine on Coney Island or, if we want to keep the Tom Hanks theme going, Rye Playland.

    We have a 55% chance of winning Friday according to DraftKings… 🙁

    had not yet heard of klonopin….hmmmmm, interesting…always looking out for different anxiety meds…

    too funny reading through a drug summary, all the side effects make the drug sound worse than whatever it is your trying to treat…

    Pags is what happens when somebody decides they’d rather do annoying brain dead troll shit on a blog rather than engage with other intelligent human beings in good faith conversation

    The Knicks have the series lead but carry a minus-35 point differential.

    From that piece in The Athletic. Mostly a breakdown of our poor D and communication.

    Edwards finally putting his cranky criticism to good use. Two fun facts:

    The Knicks have the series lead but carry a minus-35 point differential.
    and
    New York has trailed by at least 14 points in all five games.

    Edit: Way to steal my thunder, KBA…

    You look at the breakdowns in that Edwards piece and you notice the Celtics aren’t even pushing the pace. The Knicks have all day to walk back on D, point and communicate, and they’re still fucking it up, largely bc KAT & Brunson are so confused.

    Now imagine that against Indiana, when you have approximately 4 seconds to figure your shit out.

    I’m glad you guys got your Cavs schadenfreude on paper the other day. Now we have a record of what DRed, BBA, Z-Man, et al think about a team that can’t beat Indiana in the playoffs. The coach sucks if the Pacers beat you, you should never be taken seriously again by anyone if the Pacers beat you, you should break up your team in the summer if the Pacers beat you, etc. All duly noted.

    haha. so happy to be in sync with Raven.

    BTW – The Knicks in those clips from The Athletic look like my daughter’s middle school P.E. class with Bridges as a teacher trying to explain the rubric on each play.

    This has been going on all series, blown assignment after blown assignment.

    The clips don’t even go into our god awful PnR defense where nobody knew who was supposed to tag the roller.

    This is all coaching right now.

    This is all coaching right now.

    The other day I made a post about how the randomness of basketball can make people think the coach had a great or bad game when in reality he’s often just making 50-50 or 60-40 calls that just happened to work out well or poorly that night.

    I think in part that’s what we’ve been seeing in this and the Piston series.

    Over the longer haul though, the truth comes out.

    We know this is not a perfect team. I’d even argue it’s an unfinished product given the trades we’ve been making that turned the bench unit from a strength to a weakness over the last couple of seasons. We’ll have a better bench next year.

    Still, the fact that the starters still don’t defend the 3 point line, blow assignments, get confused and can’t run a consistent creative offense with all this talent…..that’s on Thibs.

    This is all coaching right now.

    Right. Thing is: coaching is somewhat paternal (or maternal). If your “kids” clearly don’t understand (or can’t do) what you want from them, you need to simplify the task or guide them towards improvement through practice.

    You can’t just keep shouting, “try harder.” That’s like screaming at a four year old, “I already explained how it works. Just ride your fucking bike!”

    Thibs = Defensive genius, so WTF?!

    Bridges, OG, and Hart seem to have no idea if Towns and Brunson are ever going to do what they’re supposed to do, even when they’re yelling at them and telling them exactly what to do.

    So either 1) Brunson or Towns fucks up and someone’s left open, or 2) one of the wings assumes they’re going to fuck up and takes their assignment, then Brunson & Towns belatedly do what they were supposed to do, and we end up with an accidental double that leaves whoever the wing left open.

    You can see why there’s been bad vibes all year. This must be very frustrating for guys like OG and Mikal to put up with.

    And Indiana has to be licking their chops.

    Just wanna make sure I have this right:

    – We’re up 3-2 on the defending champs with game 6 at home, and Thibs still can’t coach

    – If we actually make it that far, Indiana is gonna blow our doors off in the ECF because, you know, they’re one of the all-time great teams

    Is that an accurate assessment?

    Got too excited and blew they load early. They have to remember- slow, deep strokes til the 4th, and then can they work on blowing the load

    I’ll see myself out
    🏃🏽

    Thibs has made some great decisions in the series, but if the team doesn’t know what defense you’re running this often, that’s on the coaching.

    You either need to spend more time making it clear what you’re running or, at some point, you need to dumb it down so that you’re not giving Derrick White wide open 3s every play.

    One obscure thing I liked about the Superman trailer was that his parents looked like the kind of people who would have attended a few Trump rallies.

    Hub… Superman’s parents were farmers from Kansas. Even the movie industry couldn’t possibly make them look like quants from the Upper West Side 🙂

    – We’re up 3-2 on the defending champs with game 6 at home, and Thibs still can’t coach

    – If we actually make it that far, Indiana is gonna blow our doors off in the ECF because, you know, they’re one of the all-time great teams

    Is that an accurate assessment?

    No

    This team has enough talent to be a top 3 offense that occasionally blows the doors off other good teams and enough talent on defense (with Mitch) to not get the doors blow off us on a regular basis because we don’t know what the hell they are doing or lack consistent effort.

    IMO, you judge a coach by how the team is doing relative to the talent he has to work with.

    We are still in a great position, but we should not have struggled with the Pistons (who had a key injury) and we should not be getting blown out in key games by a Boston team without Tatum, KP being useless and other players at less than 100%. I’ve been arguing the Celtics have a lot of underutilized players that can step up without Tatum, but we didn’t lose. We got blown out and played like shit.

    Is that an accurate assessment?

    EB on point in his response.

    Again, I am thrilled by our run (I think everyone here is). I just want the Knicks to be more consistent game to game (quarter to quarter?) and not just happy that enough broken plays/calls/injuries go our way — until they don’t.

    Thibs has made some great decisions in the series, but if the team doesn’t know what defense you’re running this often, that’s on the coaching.

    You either need to spend more time making it clear what you’re running or, at some point, you need to dumb it down so that you’re not giving Derrick White wide open 3s every play.

    I am totally agreeing with your conclusion, but there are times we are giving up easy shots and running a terrible offense when our shots just happen to be going in and theirs are not. When people start praising the coaching moves on a night like that, they are missing what really happened. It was just variance, not brilliance.

    let’s call him charles

    my ptmilo GOAT comment bookmark folder is reaching the point that it needs subfolders

    Superman’s parents were farmers from Kansas. Even the movie industry couldn’t possibly make them look like quants from the Upper West Side

    In the last reboot they cast NYC born-and-raised Diane Lane as his mother and dressed Kevin Costner up in Polo Ralph Lauren to play his father.

    Hahahahaha

    100% THCJ

    Hubert I am more the guy who puts the ball on the tee comedically for my friends. It’s an important function in life.

    I was at the game last night. We didn’t come out the lockeroom until there was 2:30 left. From rotational players only only Deuce, Payne and Mikal took more than 10 shots. Hart took like 5-6 threes and walked back to the bench. Mitch took 4-5 free throws and and as soon as he made one, – he stopped and walked away.

    Neither KAT nor Brunson took a single warm up shot or dribbled a basketball. They were discussing strategy with Thibs and Rick for the 2:30 they were outside by their bench.

    Boston was out there with 8 minutes left and they all took dozens of shots to warn up.

    My entire drive back, (4 hours) I kept replaying the half time warms ups in my head and how all they did was talk. Didnt even need cofeee, – my anger wouldn’t let me sleep. Helped with the drive back.

    Is that an accurate assessment?

    Others have already answered the first part so I’ll take the second.

    No, Indiana is not all-time great team. But I do think they would beat us bc we’re a very confused team on defense and their breakneck speed will exploit that relentlessly.

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