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  • 73 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.12.27)”

    franksays:
    December 26, 2024 at 09:46
    Meanwhile not sure how many of you guys are on Bluesky but Ben Stiller basically live blue-sky-ing Knicks games is really fantastic. (what is the proper term for tweeting on Bluesky?)

    I’ve legit heard skeeting.

    I’m 98% sure that’s not JUST the internet doing a bit.

    The Wemby discussion seems excruciatingly stupid to me.

    We don’t know what Wemby is going to be. A large part of his offensive value seems to come from his ability to attract defenders to the perimeter.

    It seems reasonable to expect that his outside shooting percentages (corner, above break, and logo adjacent) will continue on their upward trajectory.

    If the Spurs think Wemby continuing to shoot those as a large portion of his shot diet is the best path to improving those percentages, that’s good enough for me.

    Maybe they also think the current Spurs need the spacing or maybe the inside shot attempts are not scalable in the same way long 3s are.

    I don’t really care because I don’t think the Spurs have put enough pieces around Wemby to get out of the West.

    I think their best path to near term talent acquisition is tanking (obviously only in a way that doesn’t hinder Wemby’s development or desire to stay) Taking a year with Wemby building his outside game could be a stealth path to Capture the Flagg 🤷🏾‍♂️

    Happy Holidays ya filthy animals

    Been silent the last few days, because it was family time. 😉 I didn’t even watch the Christmas game against the Spurs, but i did read the game thread and it was a blast, at least when it matters more… in the end. Great win. And it’s great to finally have the Mikal we thought we were trading for.

    And because the discussion here is kind of slow, i’ll give you Katz with an article talking about how the races for the NBA awards are going. There’s no Knicks making any of the lists, but there’s honorable mentions to OG (DPOY) and Thibs.

    Now the player making one of the lists is RJ BARRETT (i bet this will spike a discussion 🤭), coming 3rd at MIP and this is what Katz wrote about him:

    RJ Barrett’s passing is worth a mention. Barrett has gone from looking for his shot first, second and third to learning how to change speeds in pick-and-rolls. He loves flinging cross-court zingers to shooters while leading the break. He had never posted a double-digit assist game coming into this season. He’s already done it five times in 2024-25. His assist rate right now is twice his career average.

    I agree that’s an improved RJ for sure, because that’s a lot of assists and he must be a much more well rounded player now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6018197/2024/12/25/nba-awards-races-mvp-rookie-of-the-year/

    And last but not least, HAPPY HOLIDAYS good people of KB! 🥳

    I’ve legit heard skeeting.

    I’m 98% sure that’s not JUST the internet doing a bit.

    Having been on BlueSky since close to the beginning, I can tell you two things: 1)It is not a bit, and 2)Almost everybody hates it. A lot of people just say “posting,” and there’s been a push for us to just refer to it as “tweeting,” since the guy who bought the old place seemed so eager to abandon the name and branding and whatnot.

    Macri says we’re much improved rebounding with our 3 best outings in the last week. Achiuwa seems like the obvious reason why, letting us play 2 bigs at times.

    We played a Deuce/Hart/Mikal/OG/Precious group for 4:18 in the 4Q of a close game. Interesting.

    Achiuwa took three 3s from the corner. They mostly look atrocious, but he made 1 and idk that Thibs lets him do it if he doesn’t believe in it. It’s big if he can hit those at a decent clip even if it’s just when he’s wide open. Not holding my breath though.

    The Magic had another valiant effort in a dogfight yesterday and they barely lose on Herro’s last second shot.

    We’re favorite tonight, but we’re better be ready, despite them being on a B-2-B it’ll not be easy it’ll probably cost a lot of bruises.

    I think the popularity of Bluesky as a refuge away from X and Elon is negative development for the country. It’s a redo of FOX vs MSNBC and CNN.

    IMO, the last thing this country needs now is people living in self imposed political and economic information prisons where they don’t get the get the other side of the story because all they get exposed to hear is the spins and lies from their side.

    Not only that, on a personal level it’s annoying and time consuming to have to go to multiple social media sources to get the information you want because some people you want to read dropped out of either over politics. To be honest, it’s kind of soft. I want to read people that disagree with me. How the hell am I going to figure out what they are thinking and why if I don’t listen.

    My politics are all over the map depending on the issue. I never have any trouble controlling my timeline using block, mute, no retweets, only people I mention can respond and blocking certain words/names. My timeline is 90% Knicks and horse racing.

    I think the popularity of Bluesky as a refuge away from X and Elon is negative development for the country. It’s a redo of FOX vs MSNBC and CNN.

    I think spending time on a social media site where people tell me I should be raped in prison because they don’t agree with me is self-abuse

    I’m not wholly unsympathetic to Strat’s larger point, but echoing Rama, on Twitter/X nowadays I regularly get replies to pretty banal, non-offensive tweets that are just my last name, with the implication being that it’s Jewish sounding and thus my point is invalid. So yeah, the user experience for me has degraded.

    Anywho, Gleyber caught a lot of shit, some of it fair, but he was a good, durable, consistent Yankee who showed up in the playoffs. There better be a legitimate replacement plan, because a mid-off between Oswaldo/Oswald/mummified DJ would make me vomit.

    I think spending time on a social media site where people tell me I should be raped in prison because they don’t agree with me is self-abuse

    When some random tells you to bleep off does that actually bother you?

    Just checked twitter for the first time in about a year and there was an Elon Musk post at the top of the feed. Seems like a perfectly unbiased platform that is conducive to discussing all sides fairly.

    I’d rather live in a self imposed information bubble than deal with the bots and trolls on Twitter.

    I’m one click away from any information I might want on the “other side”, so why bother using a social media full of AI garbage and crazy rage baiting for engagement and all that has flooded Twitter for years now.

    I know Memphis has had an easy schedule, but they’re considerably better than I thought they’d be

    I’ve noticed the entire upper echelon of the NBA has had an easy schedule.

    The five easiest schedules in the NBA, per B-Ref:

    1. Cleveland
    2. Memphis
    3. New York
    4. Sacramento
    5. Boston

    Other notables:

    8. OKC
    10. DAL
    12. HOU

    Either all the good teams are waiting for us in 2025, or the league is much more top heavy than I thought going into the year.

    Just checked twitter for the first time in about a year and there was an Elon Musk post at the top of the feed. Seems like a perfectly unbiased platform that is conducive to discussing all sides fairly.

    Yup…. it was much less “biased” when the sitting President of the USA was banned…. when the NY Post was banned for posting “RuSsIAn DiSiNfOrMaTiOn in the form of the Hunter Lap top (completely verified as factual)… when any criticism of COVID vaccine efficacy or the origin of the COVID virus was questioned, et cetera….et cetera…et cetera.

    Also Elon is getting crushed on X today because of his position on H1B visas by those troglodyte MAGA/MAHA types.

    The only thing I’m going to add to the Wemby discussion is that I sat close to the Spurs bench on Christmas day. I brought my son to his first Knicks game. He’s 6 now. Wembayama might as well have been Superman to him. He just watched him the whole time like he was witnessing an alien. And to be honest I was only slightly less awed than him. I imagine this must have been what seeing Wilt was like.

    My bitterness that Spurs fans got Robinson, Duncan, and now this guy is off the charts.

    My bitterness that Spurs fans got Robinson, Duncan, and now this guy is off the charts.

    It is a pretty sweet run of “luck”.

    One last random thought: that was the best day of basketball games I’ve seen in a long time, maybe ever. And the national narrative is that the game needs to be fixed because there’s too many threes?! Really?

    Perhaps the dumbest argument I’ve seen in a very long time is “well now it all comes down to three point variance.” That’s really just saying “the team that makes more of its shots usually wins” in disguise.

    The good teams still win. A lot. If outcomes were truly being determined consistently by random statistical variance we’d see a lot more parity. Instead we’re trending towards one of the most top-heavy seasons in a long time.

    All these threes open up space for talent to shine. This has been the most entertaining offensive Knicks team since Clyde hung ’em up. Does anyone really hate it this way? I don’t get it all.

    The only thing the game needs to fix IMO is the refs, the stoppages, and the interminable reviews. It seems like they’ve made an effort to do that with the decrease in fouls called. The Christmas games were noticeably quicker and less about an endless parade of trips to the line.

    Strat: +1

    (One of your best ever posts on here, & I’ve been reading this blog for a *long* time)

    The Knicks are 17th in the league in 3pt attempt rate. I don’t think anyone is complaining that they are shooting too many 3s.

    I do find it aesthetically problematic that league wide 42% of shots are from deep.

    Edit: And I’m pretty sure in 2-3 years the league will be trying to find solutions for this.

    I just went back and read some threads from late November when Mikal’s game was in shambles and Thibs was benching him in 4th q’s. There was a poster calling for him to be traded, another saying that he was physically diminished, others saying that his jumper was broken, others saying that his defense was overrated in the first place…yours truly was lamenting the exorbitant price paid for him.

    And here we are, a month later, and he’s looking like every bit of the guy we hoped we were getting when the trade was made. The way he just took over the game on that huge Christmas Day stage was truly inspiring.

    I don’t know where he will settle in…the December numbers seem unsustainable…and I will never move off of my position that Leon bid against himself and could have made the deal for less than he ultimately paid, and that not having a single unprotected pick left to trade is going to make further improvement much more difficult than it needed to be. But at least Mikal’s recent play has been commensurate with what teams expected when trading for non-superstars who cost multiple firsts…like what ATL paid for DeJounte, or IND for Siakam, or MIN for Gobert, or MIL for Jrue.

    At the end of the day, the Knicks will never win a championship with this bunch unless Mikal plays this way come playoff time. He has to be for us what Chris Bosh was to the Heatles…a guy who largely defers but is a legit go-to guy when required. Seems like he is up to that task lately.

    I’d still like to poach Chris Boucher from the Raptors. Then again, Masai is probably done dealing with Leon after he got fleeced so badly on the OG/Precious/RJ/IQ deal (ducks and runs 🙂 ).

    And if we could get Jake LaRavia or even still Brandon Clarke, I’d still be for it.

    I have no real issues with the volume of 3s, and I don’t think watching people post up or take midrange shots is more aesthetically pleasing than shooting 3s, so that’s all fine for me. I do have an issue with the foul baiting and how defenses get punished for trying to be more physical, given how boring it is to watch free throws and the constant play stoppages. If anything, that’s what I hope the league tries to solve in the next few years. Start calling moving screens, stop calling the most marginal contact as shooting fouls, and the game is already much better for me.

    To be clear, I don’t have huge issues with 3 point volume in general, but the math is such that taking bad 3 pt shots is probably better than the alternative, and that sometimes leads to ugly stretches where there’s not even a lot of interesting stuff happening on offense.

    The Knicks are 17th in the league in 3pt attempt rate.

    We’re also .3 away from being 9th. That’s less than 25 shots out of nearly 2,700. And the last four seasons have been the four highest 3 pt attempt rates in the history of the Knicks franchise. We’re definitely keeping up with the Joneses.

    I do find it aesthetically problematic that league wide 42% of shots are from deep.

    The extra spacing has led to an increase in what is aesthetically pleasing. Dunks are up 32% over 10 years ago. Assists are up 21%. Even shot making is up (46.4 FG% vs 45.4), and that’s with players taking more difficult shots. eFG& has syrocketed from .501 to .541.

    The post game went away 20 years ago. The only thing the NBA is down on lately is 18-22 footers. What we got by giving them up is more passing, more dunks, and more shots going in. I think it’s been a wonderful trade off and I hope the NBA ignores the clamor and continues to focus on the referees.

    hubert, congrats on seeing a great game from great seats with your young son. Brings back memories!

    I have very mixed feelings about today’s game. On one hand, I do think that games are often won or lost based on random 3pt variance. On the other, it is a marvel to see how shooting skill has evolved.

    But the defending champs who are favored to repeat are shooting 55% of its shots from beyond the arc and only hitting 36.5% of them. That is not aesthetically pleasing to me, being that it largely has come at the expense of the mid-range and post game, which I love to watch.

    For me, there’s an aesthetic break-even point somewhere in the 30-40% range for 3’s. Jalen Brunson’s offensive game is a microcosm of what I enjoy most about basketball. At 6’1″ he scores in every aesthetically pleasing way imaginable…he’s taking 36% of his shots from 3 and hits 42% of them. 50% of his shots are neither at the rim nor from 3.

    Yet league-wide 3PAr is 42.4% with a make rate of 36%. That’s a TS% of .540. That’s not ideal. It also suggests that Brunson should abandon his midrange game and take more 3’s, which I would hate to see.

    I would love to see some “Brunsonification” of the rules. Not sure what the best way to accomplish this…whether moving the line out, or maxing how many threes a team can take or make, or allowing more hand-checking…but that’s how I see it.

    “The post game went away 20 years ago. The only thing the NBA is down on lately is 18-22 footers. What we got by giving them up is more passing, more dunks, and more shots going in. I think it’s been a wonderful trade off”

    I couldn’t disagree more. I think the game was much better with Kareem shooting sky hooks, McHale destroying teams in the post, the Spurs moving the ball with Duncan, Manu, and Parker doing most of their damage inside the arc…even the Big 3 Celts with Pierce and KG killing it in the post while Allen lurked beyond the arc.

    But hey, to each his own…with the caveat that US viewership is way down lately.

    When some random tells you to bleep off does that actually bother you?

    It’s always the people on the side of those saying loathsome shit who ask you why you’re a snowflake for not wanting to hear it. I’m just rational, dude. I don’t accept people saying evil shit to me in real life, why would I do so online? It’s actually a pretty strange question. “Why aren’t you comfortable with abuse?” I guess I’m just a freak who prefers places where people treat each other with respect. Crazy, I know.

    I can see too many 3’s becoming a problem in the future if trends continue but not now. Like many here I enjoyed the style of the game when Patrick was our best player but I also suffered through the same aesthetics when Lonnie Shelton was the offensive focal point.

    That is not aesthetically pleasing to me, being that it largely has come at the expense of the mid-range and post game

    I’m picking years at random here so there’s some potential for this to be misleading but there’s actually been an increase in % of shots from 3-16 ft, i.e. “the mid-range game.”

    2004 – 28.8
    2014 – 27.4
    2024 – 30.7

    The Mikal Bridges mid-range bonanza we got to appreciate on Christmas simply would not have been possible without 3 pt shooters all over the floor.

    I just went back and read some threads from late November when Mikal’s game was in shambles and Thibs was benching him in 4th q’s. There was a poster calling for him to be traded, another saying that he was physically diminished, others saying that his jumper was broken, others saying that his defense was overrated in the first place…yours truly was lamenting the exorbitant price paid for him.

    It is really amazing to watch smart folks who are sophisticated get panicky over small sample size events. It is almost like no one ever heard of standard deviation.

    Bridges was always going to revert to playing to the back of his baseball card. He isn’t going to shoot 46% from 3 the rest of the season, just like he wasn’t going to shoot 29% like he did in November.

    He had 15,000 minutes of excellent hoops before he came here. He was just turned 28 and never had any health issues of any sort. The idea he was going to fall off a cliff at that point was ludicrous.

    Was he tinkering with his shot? Was he uncomfortable with the defensive strategy, his roll, whatever? All possible. But was he going to be anything other than the player he has always been, was just panicky NY fans emoting.

    I couldn’t disagree more. I think the game was much better with Kareem shooting sky hooks, McHale destroying teams in the post

    You’re not disagreeing with me. The post game is certainly gone and I miss its maestros, as well. I’m just saying you can thank Mike D’antoni for that. Because it’s not a recent trend, I presume it’s not what the mainstream is talking about now.

    When we win a chip with Brunson and Mikal combining for 60ppg from the 5-15ft area the league will follow suit in employing more midrange shots.

    Anyway, Brown and Jrue are both shooting sub-33% from 3 this year. Meanwhile, KP has only played 11 games. Nothing matters for Boston till the playoffs and probably means little sample-wise, but worth noting.

    I think a lot of the nostalgia over the midrange and post play comes from our memories of the greats doing it. Like yeah I would love to watch a modern day Michael Jordan or Hakeem operating in those areas, because that’s what I remember being great. But there were tons of random bad centers posting up and getting terrible shots, bad PFs throwing up midrange shots like they were Karl Malone, or bad guards thinking they were Kobe or MJ putting up midrange shots. We just don’t remember those as well.

    Beyond Brunson, some of my faves to watch with 3PAr under 40% are Sengun, SGA, Giannis, Jokic, AD, Jimmy, Bam, Kyrie…I would love to see more players play that way…especially ones that are proficient at it but are statistically discouraged from doing it, like Tatum and Luka.

    And Bruno, it’s not nostalgia, just like players have generally improved from 3, they could also generally improve in the post if that was still a major part of the game. The skill level in todays game at all positions is higher than it ever was. It’s just being funneled into the moneyball aspects of today’s game. Additionally, it’s not about one or the other, it’s about balance. At a 35% league-wide 3pt rate, the average team sould shoot more 3’s than the 73-win Warriors.

    If folks want to cite me suggesting we trade Mikal Bridges, at least cite the trades I proposed. One was to Miami for Bam Adebayo. The other was a three-way trade that netted us Kuminga, Moody, and Walker Kessler. These are hardly the trade proposals of someone overreacting to a bad month.

    I never once commented on Bridges’ shooting. I said repeatedly he’ll be fine. In fact I was pretty adamant he had retained 100% of his trade value despite a poor start.

    And now that he’s playing well… I still think we should trade Mikal Bridges! Or Josh Hart. Or Deuce McBride.

    I never once asserted that Mikal Bridges sucks. I asserted (and continue to assert) that this team is unbalanced. It’s too small to win a chip and needs to trade from its strength (our stable of 2 guards) to address its weakness (size and defense).

    “One was to Miami for Bam Adebayo. The other was a three-way trade that netted us Kuminga, Moody, and Walker Kessler.”

    The point of bringing it up was more about how folks were reacting at the time of Mikal’s nadir (including me) than to call out any particular opinions. That said, both of these proposals seem pretty far-fetched right now, let alone when Mikal was at his lowest possible value. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that.

    It’s always the people on the side of those saying loathsome shit who ask you why you’re a snowflake for not wanting to hear it.

    Do you have any idea how much “loathsome shit” was hurled at the folks who turned out to be in the majority. Nazi… racist… blah, blah blah. Suck it up… tape an aspirin to it, bro.

    If you go to X for your news/information you are not doing yourself any favors. HL Mencken was right 100 years ago when he wrote, “Nobody ever went broke betting against the intelligence of the American public.”

    Retreating into a comfortable echo chamber isn’t the answer. Try seeking out more balanced sources where multiple sides/opinions are presented. They actually exist. For example, as a political/current events podcast, try “The Morning Meeting” with Mark Halperin, Sean Speicer and Dan Turrentine. It is the most balanced forum I have found.

    For new aggregators Real Clear Politics makes an actual attempt to link articles from both the right and left as well as having a strong polling/statistical bent.

    One bone I will throw people who don’t love the 3PA explosion is they’re not entirely imagining the idea that there are more missed shots today than there were in the ’80s, for whatever that’s worth. League average raw FG% was 48.5% in the ’80s and is 46.7% now.

    However, what’s weird is this can’t be solely attributed to the deluge of extra 3PA. The decline started well before the Morey revolution. League average FG% was 46.4% in the ’90s, 44.9% in the aughts, and 45.6% in the ’10s. So you really have to squint i.e. hold up the ’80s in particular as the ideal aesthetic decade to make a case around missed shots in general.

    That said, I do enjoy some stylistic diversity and Brunson’s little-guy-post-ups warm my heart. The problem, to the extent it exists, might actually be solving itself–Neil Paine points out that at long last we’ve reached the point of points per FGA being roughly even on 2PA and 3PA, and league wide TS% has actually been higher on 2PA for a while now (due to the substantially higher potentially of going to the line).

    So it’s not out of the question we’ve reached peak Moreyism, and that teams will start to exploit defenses geared towards denying 3PA at all costs.

    The added spacing brought on by the Morey revolution is never going away, and that’s a very good thing. There’s a good chance we settle into an equilibrium wherein every team reaches a 3PA floor of, say, 35% of their FGA, but there’s material stylistic diversity outside of that.

    I was always more concerned with Mikal’s defense than his offense, and I’m still not convinced his defensive rep has been warranted since the early years, but I await him proving me wrong. Perhaps he’s good enough on that end to make this whole thing work though. He has been much better recently.

    The problem with his offense is that we need him to be 2023 Mikal, or close to it, to justify the cost. It’s not as if he has years of playing that level of ball. Even during a very good month, I hadn’t seen him do much on-ball till Christmas.

    He’s been excellent off-ball all month and solid defensively, but if he settles around the back of his card then we probably overpaid by a good chunk.

    On the other hand, RAPM seemed to like him quite a bit before last season, enough to at least make the price a justifiable overpay. So hopefully RAPM has it right and I was just using DARKO and EPM too much because I couldn’t find RAPM.

    TNFH, good post. Hopefully things will settle into that 35% range, although I don’t see it happening organically.

    Beyond the loss of post play, I also have a problem with eschewing the 40+% long 2 (when open and taken by players who are good shooters) for stepping back for the 36% 3. I don’t particularly like 3’s as a first option in transition either.

    Again, there is a gray area where these things fall into the category of preferences rather than problems.

    “Why aren’t you comfortable with abuse?”

    No one needs to be comfortable with abuse of any sort. But seemingly you weren’t in the least bit appalled when actual free speech was being stifled on X in a blatant attempt to change the course of the nation/world? That didn’t bother you, but being called a name by some moron is the straw that broke the camel’s back?

    C’mon….

    No one needs to be comfortable with abuse of any sort. But seemingly you weren’t in the least bit appalled when actual free speech was being stifled on X in a blatant attempt to change the course of the nation/world? That didn’t bother you, but being called a name by some moron is the straw that broke the camel’s back?

    Ok, can we nip this in the bud right away and fucking stop telling people how they should feel about things?

    Fuck off with this bullshit.

    That is not aesthetically pleasing to me, being that it largely has come at the expense of the mid-range and post game

    Personally, I love the 3 ball as it is like watching Reggie Jackson or Aaron Judge launch a 450 footer. It also allows a team down by 20 to get back into any game quickly.

    The thing I wish they would crack down on is the constant bitching with over the top histrionics at the refs with ever single simple call. Luka Doncic is the worst but virtually everyone bitches incessantly.

    I came to watch the greatest athletes in the world compete (ballet among giants), not weak assed thespians.

    Bridges and Mitch for Adebayo is indeed far fetched but I was modeling it off Randle and Donte for Towns! And the Kuminga/Moody/draft picks to send to Utah for Kessler was modeled off the Murray trade (I actually think that one could happen tomorrow if we want it to, but I don’t know if Kuminga is good enough for us to do it).

    I did propose trading Mikal Bridges but I also included the caveat every time that it had nothing to do with his poor start and more to do with the makeup of the team.

    We often talk about how this team can win while one of its best players plays poorly but I think that might be more of a bug than a feature. What I mean is that there is so much overlap between Bridges/Hart and Bridges/OG that it seems like it’s impossible for all three to be effective together. When Bridges dominates the mid range it forces Hart out to the 3 pt line where he’s less useful (though he can still impact the game positively elsewhere and he’s been killing it from 3). And is it really a coincidence that Bridges’ uptick has coincided with an OG downtick, or does the good play of one effectively cannibalize the other by forcing him to stand in the corner?

    I think we can be just as dominant offensively with 2 of these guys, so I’d like to trade one to address our primary weakness (and it can’t be OG). Of course I’d prefer to solve the problem by trading Mitch and Dadiet instead, I just don’t think that’s going to get it done.

    One cool consequence of the 3’s inflation is the long rebounds. Very fun to watch the battle for those, and it’s a new skill that players need now.

    Love the article on Dyson Daniels in the Athletic. Great details on his insane defensive prowess.

    Great Barrier Thief might be a top ten NBA nickname all time. I mean, it’s no Mamba of course…. 🙂

    League average FG% was 46.4% in the ’90s, 44.9% in the aughts, and 45.6% in the ’10s.

    The last two seasons were:

    ’23 – 47.5%
    ’24 – 47.4%

    So it seems like the uptick in 3PAs is actually solving this problem.

    But we’re at 46.4% now in ’25 so it could just be a blip.

    If there is one stat that correlates to aesthetically pleasing for me it’s assists, and those have definitely been trending up during the 3 pt explosion.

    Twitter sucks because the vast majority of it is now AI/troll farm slop. It doesn’t really matter where you sit on the political spectrum, it’s feeding you garbage. Facebook is the same shit— 80% of my feed on there is AI spam garbage.

    Bluesky doesn’t feel quite as inundated with slop in its current incarnation but as with all things it’s only a matter of time before that too gets enshittified. I wouldn’t get too attached to it.

    “What I mean is that there is so much overlap between Bridges/Hart and Bridges/OG that it seems like it’s impossible for all three to be effective together.”

    Is there any more overlap than there is with Tatum, Brown, White, and Holiday?

    That all of Bridges, OG and Hart do some of the same things well is a great thing, not a bug. It’s a healthy Venn diagram, with enough individual differences to make their similarities a non-issue.

    The bug continues to be how to hide Brunson’s and KAT’s issues on the defensive end. So far, the answer of having 3 good-great defensive wings on the floor with them has had mixed results. Would the problem be solved by whatever defensive PF-C you could get for Mitch and one of those 3 wings? I doubt it, as it would cost something either in the starting lineup or in bench depth. At the end of the day, with Mikal playing well, we look a lot more cohesive and a lot less vulnerable. Let’s see how January goes, and in a larger sense, how the season and playoffs go. Leon shouldn’t block incoming calls or stop making them, but let’s see how much juice is left to squeeze out of this orange before passing judgment and tinkering in a way that resets the gelling clock. January should be very telling in terms of the necessity for pre-deadline moves.

    Mitch coming back, if he can stay healthy will balance the lineup well. We shouldnt make any moves until he’s back and we can assess his form and the team

    Bigs: Kat, Mitch, Precious, Sims
    Fwds: OG, Hart, bridges
    Guards: brunson, deuce, payne

    try “The Morning Meeting” with Mark Halperin, Sean Speicer and Dan Turrentine

    Sure, when you try Mother Jones

    Bluesky doesn’t feel quite as inundated with slop in its current incarnation but as with all things it’s only a matter of time before that too gets enshittified. I wouldn’t get too attached to it.

    Agreed. But for the moment it’s been a pleasant alternative.

    Maybe I’m in the minority here but I don’t really engage in any of the “tweet-style” social media, including tiktok, instagram, or the like. My go-to is yahoo.com. It has a daily list of links from both sides of the political spectrum. I pick and choose what I read, and try to do it in a way that keeps me as unbiased and well-informed as possible. I also look at the NYTimes, NYPost, FoxNews, and CNN every day and try to flesh out the spin from substance.

    Is there any more overlap than there is with Tatum, Brown, White, and Holiday?

    I think so. And it’s because they line up much better on defense. Tatum IMO is bigger than 6’8″. You lose nothing defensively or on the boards with that guy as your power forward. Whereas I think we will lose a lot with Hart or OG at the 4 when it’s combined with KAT at the 5, but only when we get to the deeper levels of the playoffs.

    It’s why I keep comparing this team to the Death Star. It looks great when it’s blowing up Alderaan but this is our thermal exhaust port. I think it’s a safe bet that 25 NBA teams can’t maneuver along the surface well enough to fire two proton torpedoes into a two-meter wide target that’s no bigger than a womp rat, but I feel damn sure 2 or 3 definitely can and we wont be able to avoid them.

    try “The Morning Meeting” with Mark Halperin, Sean Speicer and Dan Turrentine

    Sure, when you try Mother Jones

    Not surprised by your attitude (look up Morning Meeting, don’t take my word for it) but when I supported Frank Church (an actual liberal) in the late 70’s I read Mother Jones occassionally 🙂

    I engage with plenty of conservative commentary and media. I find Ross Douthat to be an intelligent commenter on what motivates the right. Sohrab Ahmari is an interesting thinker and good writer. Charles Lehman has opinions on urbanism worth reading. I could go on.

    What makes X a shitty experience isn’t the presence of conservative opinions. It’s the AI slop, bots, and people telling me I should be put in a gas chamber for saying immigration has been a large net benefit to American society.

    Personally, I think raw shooting percentage is a lousy metric to use in a vacuum when evaluating the aesthetics of the game.

    This should be especially true for us Knicks fans who place a high value on defense and the lunchpail ethic.

    To me, there is aesthetic value to grinding out a defensive possession to force a tough, contested 2, and there is aesthetic value to making that tough 2 over whatever the defense throws at you. Today’s offensives along with rules that heavily favor offensive players have made those kinds of defensive possessions far less a part of the game, and in my opinion, to its detriment. Not that the late 90’s was beautiful basketball, but I loved the aesthetic of a lot of those low-scoring bloodbaths between us and the Heat/Pacers/Bulls. But obviously things are never going back to those days, or even worse, to the early 2000’s.

    Again, guys like Brunson and SGA epitomize the way of playing I find most aesthetically pleasing. They would have done what they do in any era, maybe at a lower 3PAr but not much. A guy like Bernard King, who I think was the most exciting offensive player the Knicks ever had, would still be great in today’s game, but that back-to-the-basket in-your-face post-up game would probably be swapped out for facing the basket stuff.

    ‘A guy like Bernard King, who I think was the most exciting offensive player the Knicks ever had”

    Big, big statement but tend to agree as timespan is relevant and Bernie fits the norm. But extend it and Patrick and Melo are better; reduce it and “the ship be sinking “ probably becomes no. 1.

    Opinions vary but Bernard had a legit argument for MVP that year. Definitely my favorite single season offensive performance. Dude was glorious to root for, and single-handedly almost dethroned an all-time great Celtics team.

    it was bernard’s two 50 point games in nov/dec 1984 that really put the knicks on my radar…

    interesting discussion on the evolving nature of social media and how folks interact with one another…

    thankfully other than the family you all are all the social i need 🙂

    *I have an account w >10k twitter followers. I agree splitting D/R viewpoints via social media causes a good part of the division that makes compromise difficult. That said I’ve (largely) left twitter because Musk throttles and emphasizes voices to suit his views. I used to get 1k’s of views and even 1ks of likes on posts. Now it’s crickets. He’s absolutely entitled to do whatever he wants with it as a private owner (per the constitution free speech only applies to government censorship). But, it sucks.

    *I’m still looking for a little pat on the back for being the only guy here happy with the Mikal trade and insisting the whole time that Mikal would be fine.

    *Don’t think RJ or Quick will become winning basketball players. Hope they do. Quick in particular seems like a good guy. In my mind similar to Melo and Crawford (who by the way I really like as an announcer).

    *I love Wemby working on his 3’s. It’s scary to think what a few % improvement would do there. Practice, and watch out in a few years.

    *Anyone able to do some research on exactly how historic the FG and TS% of this starting 5 would be if it held up for the year?

    You say that as if we are supposed to go out and grab him for ourselves now! 🙂

    I engage with plenty of conservative commentary and media. I find Ross Douthat to be an intelligent commenter on what motivates the right.

    Seriously? Mr Douthat speaks from the perspective of the defunct David Brooks/Peggy Noonan/ Bill Kristol/David Frum wing of conservative thought.

    “Conservative thought” is a bit of an oxymoron tbh

    You can’t just set the ball on the tee like that and expect me not to take a swing at it

    I will say, it was obvious, but i kind of called the kings thing a few days ago…

    kings remind me a lot of the pacers, stuck in mediocrity, with extended periods of bad basketball…

    Yeah Geo, they were falling, Fox’s agent asked for a meeting, they went 0-5 in their last homestand and the coach was the easy scapegoat.

    (Note: Fox to San Antonio is one of the rumors around…)

    ouch, the agent meeting…not good max…

    not rooting for the kings, nor rooting against them…

    not a good thing for a small market team to lose its “star” player though…

    hopefully we find a way to get in on the move and pick ourselves up a young power forward somehow…

    Is “The Morning Meeting” available as an actual podcast? I thought I’d check it out based on the recommendation above but all I can find are YouTube videos.

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