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Today Hubs will try to argue that the linsanity team is better than this year’s squad. After all, they won 7 games in a row and this years team has not.
“As Nassim” has now replaced “Happy Holidays” at my house.
I keep waiting for this Cavs team to cool off but it doesn’t seem to be happening
But how are you pronouncing it? As in a sentence like, “As Nassim woke up, he smelled the unmistakable aroma of his wife making coffee?” Or are we getting funky with it?
Haha. With the even stressed inflection of “Peace be upon you.” —-> “As Nassim.”
I tell myself it has to happen eventually in some way – Caris Levert and Okoro are not 50% three point shooters – but it could just be that these guys have finally figured it out and are for real. Nothing their top four guys are doing seems to be especially unsustainable
The Mets shouldn’t break the bank for Pete Alonso. They can replicate his production, and potentially improve the team overall, by strategically using their resources.
Consider this:
Move Mark Vientos to first base: He’s projected for a 119 wRC+ and 3.3 WAR, primarily at first, offering similar offensive output to Alonso (125 wRC+, 2.8 WAR) with superior defense.
Bring in Joc Pederson as DH: He provides power (125 wRC+, 1.8 WAR) comparable to Alonso.
Trade for Nolan Arenado: He offers a 106 wRC+ and 2.8 WAR. While there’s risk involved, his defense is exceptional, giving him a higher floor than Alonso.
This strategy avoids long-term commitments to declining players. Arenado on his remaining contract, while older, is a safer bet than Alonso on a 4+ year deal if his defense remains strong.
Alternatively, consider signing Ha-Seong Kim. He’s younger, a better defender, and projected to be on par with Arenado offensively (around a 106 wRC+ and 2.8 WAR). His versatility allows for positional flexibility and creates opportunities for prospects.
By exploring these options, the Mets can achieve comparable or even better results than signing Alonso, all while maintaining financial flexibility and prioritizing long-term team building.
While I’m not gonna move off of my general position that the proving ground for this largely finished product will be in May, they went a long way in winning me over in just walloping Minny on their court. KAT and Mikal both did everything you hoped they would do when we traded for them, and the result was a two-way ass kicking of a solid team that was sort of on a roll.
Randle was largely a dud after an amazing first Q, but none of his teammates stepped up, especially Gobert (he sure didn’t look like a 4X DPOY vs. KAT, a step late on everything, almost seemed like he was letting KAT have his way on tribute night) and Ant-Man, who has been bitching and moaning all season.
Meanwhile, this matured version of KAT seems to be saying and doing all the right things, nary a peep about his previous travails with Thibs, even giving a few flashes of workmanlike team defense rim protection. Mikal took responsibility after getting benched and came back as the star 2-way role player we were hoping for.
I know we will be heavily favored on Christmas Day, but it is a matinee on national TV and Wemby went nuclear last time he was in MSG. It’s sort of a “we better fucking win” game, but honestly, this is a very boring stretch of games. I can’t wait until January 3 vs. OKC.
It’s hard to step up and get into a rhythm when your team has been cowed into playing iso-heavy Randleball on offense for most of the first half. The biggest difference between KAT and him in Minnesota was how seamlessly the former’s scoring looked within the flow of his team’s offense compared to the latter. The Timberwolves offense wasn’t built for Randle to dominate the ball as much as he had in the first of the last game, just like how our offense evolved to become greater than the sum of its parts during his injury last season.
Yeah, that was The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly of Julius Randle all in one game. He’s certainly not doing anything to merit taking the risk of opting out.
I truly don’t get how Minny couldn’t find a better return for KAT. It’s like they compounded the dumb decision to dump him over Gobert with an even dumber decision to trade him for a return that didn’t involve any unprotected picks and that would fatally disrupt the chemistry of a conference finals-level team. Cheap and dumb are a bad combo.
“…just like how our offense evolved to become greater than the sum of its parts during his injury last season.”
I dunno, the offense was freakin’ humming in January before he got injured.
KAT averages about the same 25 ppg Randle did for us for some years but watching them go against each other really shows the enormous difference between a efficient 25 that happens in rhythm with the offense, and the way Randle gets his points, forcing shots, pounding the ball, etc. I’m very glad we’re on the other side of the equation this time.
Josh Hart should be back for today’s game, which is nice, let’s get a good winning stretch going.
But how are you pronouncing it? As in a sentence like, “As Nassim woke up, he smelled the unmistakable aroma of his wife making coffee?” Or are we getting funky with it?
need to be careful not to encourage geo to improvise add lube item
hate to be a well actually voice in this moment of justifiable rejoicing but it’s worth remembering that while kat is one of the great offensive bigs of all time he absolutely does have well below average big-moment decision-making tendencies relative to that station in life. this is still aesthetically preferable to sulking or apathy but there will almost surely be some egregious what the fuck moments on both ends sometime in our future. not to say this vitiates the many perks but it is good to always be at least a little prepared.
You’re hitting on a really important point about the Timberwolves’ moves. It seems like they were banking on Naz Reid stepping up as a solid replacement alongside Gobert. They must have figured they’d get more for KAT than for Rudy, which speaks volumes about Gobert’s value in the current NBA landscape.
Think about it: if they couldn’t get a decent haul for KAT, who’s a proven All-Star and offensive force, what does that say about Gobert’s trade value? It’s clearly plummeted. The fact that they got such a underwhelming return for Towns, especially after giving up so much for Gobert in the first place, just highlights how badly they misjudged the situation.
As you said, cheap and dumb is a terrible combination, and it seems like the Wolves are paying the price for both right now. They’ve disrupted their team chemistry, potentially alienated Edwards, and haven’t gotten much in return to show for it. It’s a tough situation for Minnesota fans.
BTW, how nice of a fit would Naz Reid be on this team?
But they didn’t miss Randle anywhere nearly as much as we thought they would at the time of his shoulder injury. The team completely evolved to carry his lost impact in the aggregate in a way that you just won’t see here if KAT is out of commission for as long.
… because Knicks
Heading off to Mufasa to celebrate the global IP that keeps on giving, and also because my children love Troy from Community above all other fictional characters.
Enjoy the day, gentleman, and no fighting about “The January Knicks” until tomorrow 😉
Mikal is looking a lot more comfortable getting over screens recently. His time playing switch made him soft, and he’s coming back around. I don’t know that he’s the defender he once was hyped to be, but he looks good enough at the PoA to make this work.
At the same time, KAT looks like he readjusted to playing drop after a couple years playing PF on the perimeter. He won’t be great, but I think he’s making better decisions. Early on he looked like he was always trying to get out of the way, as if he was expecting Gobert to materialize next to him and clean up the play. He’s just making better decisions overall.
The same critique of coming up short in big playoff moments was said in one way or another about Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, David Robinson, Dirk Nowitzski, and even Lebron before they all won a Finals.
Hell, consider that Patrick Ewing’s playoff career was full of those types of moments (like in Game 7 of the 1995 Eastern Conference Semifinals, against the Pacers when he missed a finger roll layup that would have given them the lead or in the 1994 Finals when he was regularly crushed by Hakeem) and he’s still the most beloved Knick of all time.
Sure you will. It’ll likely be similar to last time, since the players around KAT are the same or better than were around Julius. Lots of Brunson, lots of movement offense, open 3s for Mikal instead of Donte…we can weather his absence on offense fine. Ironically, I’d be very concerned about defense, especially rebounding.
The same critique of coming up short in big playoff moments was said in one way or another about Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, David Robinson, Dirk Nowitzski, and even Lebron before they all won a Finals.
many basketball games are televised
I am assuming that to disguise the cheapness Minny needed to forego a large draft pick haul and get an all star PF to directly replace KAT. That left them with very few options other than JR, who they knew was available, and thus dealing with us who had no real 1sts to trade. DDV was the filler and it is a shame it has not worked out for him. And Julius
I suspect the spacing won’t be anywhere near as good for the offense without KAT there to stretch the opposing 5 out. We just wouldn’t be able to wreck Minnesota’s top 5 defense without the ability to stretch out Golbert and Naz Reid the way we did with KAT out there.
“…he absolutely does have well below average big-moment decision-making tendencies relative to that station in life.”
In the years-long debate regarding the merits of an all-in KAT trade for what we thought such a trade would command, my continual refrain has been “I’m not a fan of his game.” This is a huge part of the reason why. He has a kind of impulsivity that reeks of low b-ball IQ. Despite the gaudy stats, there have been many moments where that tendency has reared its head, such as in the first Q vs. Minny where iirc he committed 4 egregious passing TOs. There is a nonchalance there that bugs me. He’s not Jokic, never will be, so stop trying to be. (to be fair, Giannis has similar tendencies but you live with it because he makes so many huge plays on both ends.) And hey, Randle is obviously a more extreme example, so it’s not like we swapped out high-level thinking to get him.
So there are two ways of looking at KAT on our team:
1) The price: there is no way to conclude anything other than that the trade was a heist of historic proportions. And again, I must emphasize that this is largely true because this is a “new and improved” version of KAT…a legit MVP candidate posting career-best numbers in several categories.
2) The impact on winning playoff games on this team, given pt’s post above: this remains to be seen, and while definitive proof will not be available until the post-season, we’ve only had a small amount of games that would qualify as measuring sticks and generally haven’t fared well in those. But in January and February, this team’s regular season mettle will really be tested.
The hope is that Brunson, Mikal, Hart, and OG all seem to be higher b-ball IQ players who might be able to buffer KAT’s worst tendencies, especially in crunch time of big games. That’s what I’ll be looking at going forward into the real meat and potatoes of the season.
Minny wanted to shed salary long term and stay good in the short term, those requirements make it harder to trade someone. I hope Julius rented.
Held under 20pts, missed 3FTs, committed 4TOs… did KAT choke in the IST?
This seems like a KB topic we can get several thousand posts about each week for no reason.
Yankees traded for Trevino, I see. Serious question: are they trying to set the all-time record for oldest ODR? Signing everyone on the FA or trade market in the twilight of their careers seems like a real risk unless they really like their propsects and need the stopgaps.
My “contrarian” take was that you’re better off with a center who can play defense and a basketball team that isn’t too small.
And I only called you and Swifty dunces bc the two of you are too stupid to realize that’s what you spent a whole day arguing against.
lol EB, these are the same questions that have been raised about Tatum and Brown for years by Celts fans every time they came up short. And some credit Al Horford, Jrue, and White for buffering against those tendencies. My guess is that if we fall short, KAT will become the main lightning rod while Brunson will get more of a pass even when he underperforms or does dumb shit (e.g. remember that TO in crunch time vs. Miami? Or his pedestria efficiency stats vs. IND last year?)
Yeah, I fear KAT will be the scapegoat, just like he drew the blame in Minny during the last playoff run despite their supposed Alpha, Anthony Edwards, having a pedestrian series against the Mavs.
I knew the Pelicans weren’t playing well but I didn’t realize they only had 5 wins
like a fever dream, I kind of remember BC posting a Pels’ game thread earlier…
don’t know how I ever survived living back on the east coast…there is just nothing like thinking about rolling out a bed around around 10am or so – and there’s already some big games going on…
loving it…
Stearns doesn’t like to invest lots of money in 1B-only sluggers, so I doubt the Mets would go much more than 3/75 or so for Alonso.
I’m still hoping for Alex Bregman. Has some positional versatility, so you play him at 3B for now and move Vientos to 1B. A year from now if another 3B or 1B emerges, you can move Bregman to 2B. Bregman is 30 so still might have some 4+ WAR seasons left in him. He won’t be cheap but you have to go big if you really want to compete with the Dodgers.
I always thought of Pete as a feast or famine guy…but like Julius, one that should take a smaller extension if he really wants to stay here, but not worth losing sleep over. Maybe they could include some lucrative incentives, if that is even allowable. But Stearns should think of him as a FA from another team and sign him at no more than his reasonable market value, which is something like the 3/$75 that JK mentioned.
Agreed on all fronts. I like the idea of moving Vientos to 1st – which is probably his optimal fielding position moving forward – and then getting a solid glove for third base to pair with Lindor’s elite gove in short for the left side of the defense.
I also Bregman, too. The problem for me is that I only like him for around the next three seasons and word is that he’s looking for a deal that’s around twice as long. The Astros have offered him a six-year deal worth around $156 million, and he was still believed to be seeking a deal closer to $200 million.
He totally misestimated his value relative to the FA market for first basemen/DHs. I think Vientos’ ascendence really threw a monkey wrench in Boras’ calculus. No one saw Swaggy V coming out of nowhere behind Batty and Mauricio to become the team’s best slugger.
Oh wow. Goldschmidt to the Yanks, 1/12.5m. Another stopgap. Good for them.
If the lottery odds Gods allowed us to move up one spot and take KAT under Phil and stay where we are and take Zion under Mills would we be better off? Doubt it as we would have had a longer tenure of both of them. So perhaps these Gods do favour us.
Is Goldschmidt just washed?
Well, Paul Goldschmidt’s age 38 season was not something I was interested in as a Mets fan, so I’m glad to see him off the board. This would seem to increase the likelihood of a a return to Queens for Alonso as one of Alonso’s suitors no longer seems to be in play. Maybe Uncle Steve will shell out for both Bregman AND Alonso!
Also the Mets have held onto all of their prospects so far, and they have several who are close to MLB.
Wait, Rickey Henderson passed?
Yup. RIP, Rickey. Probably telling Saint Peter all about himself right now — in the third person, of course.
RIP to the Man of Steal. One of the all-time greats and one of the biggest and brightest stars.
Seems so, but I think Cashman understands this. He’s doubling down on improving the team’s pitching, defense, and all around batting lineup after losing out on Soto.
The major thing this one-year deal for a 38-year-old first baseman tells us is that the Yankees will be all in for Guerrero when he hits the FA market next offseason. It makes a lot of sense for the Yankees to have a stopgap for that position with that in mind.
This last part is kind of why I am meh on Bregman to a long-term deal if the plan is to move him to 2nd base. We have bunch of talent that I’d like to see play there coming up like Williams, Acuna, even Mauricio.
Flexibility is always a good thing. Most likely Bregman would just stay at 3B for the duration, but but maybe Ryan Clifford pans out instead of one of the middle infielders, so then you move Bregman to 2B, Vientos back to 3B and Clifford at 1B. Or maybe Jett sticks in CF and Gilbert doesn’t pan out, and you play Bregman at 2B then move Acuna/Mauricio for another piece you need.
if the yanks strategy is to pitch well, play good defense and let aaron judge be the offense – i’m okay with that…it’s a strategy at least…
it feels like a lot of ifs and maybes on the offensive side, still a good roster…
i think i’m most excited about austin wells playing next year…man – if we’ve got an offensive weapon behind the plate, who can also catch really well…
that’s huge…
so yeah, hopefully bellinger and goldschmidt figure a way to get 20 or so balls over the fence each, and play good defense…that’ll be fine…
but if gil, volpe or wells take the next step that can big huge to consistently winning…
i’m still very skeptical on dominguez, we will see though…
Jasson was supposed to be a decent center fielder in the minors but he couldn’t even play left last year. Hopefully they got him to lose some weight this offseason
reading up now on the yankee prospects (where he ranks first)…
what spooks me more than anything – he had that “frank ntilikina” scared shitless look on his face when he showed up in the playoffs…
if you are undersized, and have that look, that’s not good…
without even looking too hard – i’m wondering how the 6’6″, 235lb former pitcher (tommy john), who now plays in the outfield, is doing these days…
i’d be real excited to see spencer jones at the plate and in the field…
In my lifetime, Ricky Henderson was the most exciting major league baseball player to watch by far, every at bat, every stolen base. And the man had 84 leadoff home runs!
Also loved the first person shit, and the story about him framing a $1MM check instead of cashing it.
RIP Ricky, you were an all time great and one of a kind.
R.I.P. Rickey Henderson,
an exciting great player, born for the spotlight, whose entertainment value was through the roof…
always thought of pete rose and ricky being the same kind of player: super physical and hard, all the time, for a long time…very aggressive players who were fun to watch…
Rickey had physical gifts Rose didn’t, both with power and speed. But, yeah, both put on a show every night.
RIP Rickey. Loved him.
No one would take Gobert right? That’s why they traded Towns.
Alan, finally took your recommendation and watched Shogun. Had seen the original and read the book. Fantastic show. Loved many things about it but on the more fringe side I loved how they handled the translation in the show with so much nuance.
Loved Rickey, one of my all-time favorites. RIP.
Yankee Photo Day 1986. I dragged my giant Minolta around the warning track in Yankee Stadium snapping pics of Mattingly, Big Dave, Randolph, Guidry, Coach Pinella, Phil Neikro, Billy Sample. No crowds. Rickey Henderson – could not get near him. Him and Bo Jackson were the most electric athletes I ever saw in person besides Jordan and rookie Lebron.
Very cool, Owen. The translation nuance led to one of my favorite meme generators of recent vintage, where you could have Mariko say “The Anjin says” almost anything: https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/522953979/The-Anjin-Says
Hahahaha, wow that is a rich vein of meme….
Will workshop it but just for a start
https://imgflip.com/i/9ejwim
Dejounte Murray is one of the worst players on the shittiest team in the NBA. For the record.
I was actually somewhat pro-Dejounte when he was on the trade market. Whoops!
Bravo!
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