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99 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.12.29)”
My eyes closed at 107-114. Was shocked at the final score. A win is a win. The bums did it again.
I’m still down with Day’Ron Sharpe. Anyone want to complain about how well Shake Milton is playing for the Nets (36 points over his last two games) or that DDV had 22 points in his last game with 6-of-10 on threes? 🙂
And by the way, the 21-10 Rockets don’t have a bench, either.
Still Mason Plumlee, too. 4/6/1 and 55.7% shooting in 17 minutes per game.
Speaking of bums, today is a big test for the NY Giants. I’m not convinced this organization actually gets it.
How important is it to tank effectively. Is Shadeur or whoever really such a prize?
I feel like the hit rate for top qbs in drafts is abysmal
I think Ward is better than Shedeur and should be picked earlier, but I’m not really confident in either… but I also wasn’t confident on Jayden Daniels and he’s been great, so what do I know.
I went to Miami and thus have no ability to be neutral, so all I will say on the topic is I will be ecstatic if I get to watch Cam Ward for the next 10+ years.
Watching Bo Nix yesterday, understanding he has a better O line than the Giants( and Sean Payton), and conceding that Mailk Nabors will be an elite receiver, hindsight tells me that the Giants should have drafted Nix. My PTSD informs me that the Giants will lose today, but upset the Eagles who will rest most of their starters.
It’s important because last year the Giants offered their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in 2024 and 2025 just to get Drake Maye, who was considered the third best QB in that draft. It’s a miracle New England saved them from themselves.
They don’t need the first pick because Sanders & Ward are so great. They need it because they’re dumb enough to win today and then sell the farm to move back into the top 2.
I have to give my props to Josh Hart. I have advocated for him to be relegated to the bench or traded, but every time we win a close game, it seems like Josh Hart is right in the middle of the reason why we won. Towns, Brunson, OG and Mikal have their off nights, but Hart shows up in full force every game, night in and night out.
Spo was correct. The dude is indispensible.
I went to Colorado, so I’m pro-Sanders. Might be the only way I watch the Giants in the next decade because I just don’t care anymore.
Whatever the chances of either guy turning into an elite QB, it’s better than the chance of getting one another way.
Hey cyber, how much do you know about beaches and towns in the Algarve area? Any recommendations for a romantic retreat with the missus?
Between Maye, Daniels, Nix and Caleb, it’s looking like last year’s class was loaded. We probably missed the boat, not that I’m complaining about grabbing Nabers whose numbers look great.
I knew Nix was going to be good, but as a Bears fan, I can assure you that the OL makes a huge difference.
I wonder how much all the minutes, the huge defensive role and not taking any games off is impacting OG’s performance on offense?
He hasn’t been shooting well for awhile now and looks a bit gassed to me from time to time while on the court. We know a little of the slump is tougher shot selection, but maybe he’s just a bit tired from covering for all our defensive holes and playing so many minutes without games off. He usually doesn’t play as many minutes in an many games as he’s being asked to from Thibs. He’s not exactly Mikal Bridges.
Although I’m not Cyber I have extensive travel experience in Portugal and my sense is that when most people go to the Algarve they focus exclusively on the coast and not enough on the mountains. The village of Alte is my favorite mountain destination and Tavira is my favorite spot on the coast. It’s worth mentioning I’m usually cycling on these trips and doing everything I can to avoid people, particularly British people (no offense, EnglishKnick… I love you guys, too… when I’m in London 😉).
Just listened to the Wizards post game conferences with Keefe, Champagnie, and Coulibaly. As young teams go, I like what I saw from them on the court, and heard from them afterwards. If they can dump their vets and get any return, I like their chances to make a leap in the next couple of years. Probably not in time to make that protected pick convey, but that was a promising effort from them last night.
Thanks hubert, we’re planning a September trip and doing 9-10 days for all of Portugal. We’ll do the inland stuff up north but want to get some beach time in like we did last year in Mallorca, which also has beautiful mountains and inland towns.
Noticed that the Suns have a rookie who’s not playing named Jalen Bridges. I feel we should pick him up…
lol Raven, I was thinking the same thing!
Tell you what, the Champagnie twins both look pretty damn good against us for undrafted local kids.
Re: OG, sometimes these guys are nursing minor injuries we don’t hear about until it comes to a head. It does seem like he’s laboring a bit out there, but he’s probably one of the best conditioned players in the league, so he might be a little banged up.
As for the team, the streak is nice, but we’ll have to do better against legit teams. The 3pt variance makes it hard to determine where we stand, but we should have the shooters to deal with anyone over a playoff series.
I guess because it was against a shit team but how come no one is talking about Jalen’s double nickel masterpiece last night including only three 3 pointers?
We tend to take the dude for granted but in days of yesteryear we’d be gaga about a 55 point performance by a Knick.
Ooh Finney-Smith and Shake to the Lakers…
Yeah, it’s a bit strange not more Cap talk. It was the 4th highest individual scoring effort for a Knick. And Cap is only Knick with 2 of the top 10.
It’s weird that I don’t see many articles on OGs struggles. I haven’t been watching his defense closely but I have to wonder if that’s suffering too. That said, his TS% isn’t far off his career numbers despite a much lower 3p%.
I agree, d-mar. Maybe it’s because of the competition, but still, that was a legendary performance. We needed every one of those points, especially the 5 in the last minute of regulation. If that tying shot with 11 seconds rolls out, we’re talking about a devastating loss. He scored 42 of those points after halftime, and every shot he made seemed immense. He also hit a bunch of clutch FTs.
If he stays healthy, #11 will be hanging in the rafters one day. He’s unquestionably the best thing to happen to the Knicks since winning the inaugural draft lottery in 1985 and should never be taken for granted.
Here’s the full deal:
I mean, does that even help the Lakers?
Z..what is up with these weird performances on B2b’s? To your point yesterday, we should have been able to handle Orlando easier. And even though it was our B2B this time, we should have blown the Wizards out. But ohhhhhh no! We had to give up a career high to Champagnie and let Bub Carrington get what he wanted. What in the entire fuckshit was that? LOL
I guess we were due for a game like that during our streak. But we better play better tomorrow against that same Wizards squad
Last night had all the makings of a classic trap game….2nd night of B2B, hungry young team with athleticism and raw talent, 2 starting vets out making it a showcase game for the hungry kids…as d-mar pointed out, every good team loses one or two of those kinds of games every year, and ekes out a few others.
Again, these games are only meaningful in terms of the standings, and obviously Thibs played all the starters big minutes for that reason. And that’s the rub…is averting an embarrassing loss by going full throttle with the starters, especially your captain who is nursing a sore calf and who had to carry the team on his back, worth it in the long run? Or will it cost us wins down the road? That’s the dilemma with the Thibs “there is no tomorrow” mindset.
Brunson is incredible, and while scoring 55 in a game is objectively impressive, it’s a little too easy for him. *Yawn* get back to me when he does it in regulation.
But seriously, he eclipsed 40pts 11 times last season. It really feels like another day at the office sometimes when he does this stuff, which just shows how ridiculously good he is.
Also, I didn’t watch the game, and based on the thread a lot of others didn’t either, so it’s just a box score to me. Maybe I’ll watch a replay at some point and start raving about it.
The Raiders have already majestically botched their tank, winning their obligatory pointless late season game and dropping from 1st overall to 6th. There can’t possibly be a worse organization in all of professional sports than this, they must be absolute rock bottom. They’ve un-tanked their way out of both of the quarterbacks, Travis Hunter, and probably the top WR McMillan. They’re in perfect position to reach for an edge rusher project that was mocked in the late first.
Late season wins over the Jacksonville Jaguars fly forever though.
The Captain simply refused to lose yesterday, for a player who was GTD and in the second night of a B-2-B it was an incredible performance.
Josh as usual did a lot of little things when it counts, KAT had a brilliant stretch where he looked unstoppable, Bridges had a solid game and OG made his presence felt on defense.
Winning sooths a lot of aches but they must have been exausted at the end.
The low usage of the bench is a problem, Leon should talk to Thibs about giving the reserves some run even when they’re not good (and yesterday they weren’t good) especially against the bottom feeders.
Laker fans on the Stein Line substack are happy with getting DFS bc they feel as a switchable 3&D wing he’ll help, plus they got rid of DLo. But man, that Lakers org gives no fucks about their draft picks: The only reason I feel they don’t get roasted more for it is because they’re the one team that can pull off an ass-pull/“author’s saving throw” trade… there’s always a star that wants to don the purple and gold.
I’d definitely like to get Guerschon Yabusele, despite the fact that he doesn’t shoot 3s. We wouldn’t need him to.
Can we get Donovan Clingan *before* he gets expensive?
Trey Lyles is still a little decent, too.
Not saying that I like it, but considering the players that are available Mitch for Valanciunas is still one of the few trades I see as possible.
@Doogie
Putting aside cap considerations and limitations,
Sixers struck gold with Yabusele, why should they help a conference contender?
And why should a rebuilding team like the Blazers trade his rookie lottery pick?
DFS is shooting 43.5% from 3 while DLo is shooting 33.3%. Neither number will hold up, but that’s probably part of the equation.
I think the bigger cause for celebration for Lakers fans is that you don’t have DLo and Reaves both being sieves on defense at the same time. Reaves/AD/LeBron should be enough offense. DFS is a plus defender who doesn’t kill your spacing.
I can’t believe I didn’t bet my life savings on the Giants in a game where a win does nothing but sabotage their draft position. They’ve never lost one of those.
I made this point last night, but I want absolutely no part of Jonas V. I think he has lost enough to have become a sort of a relic who has no place in today’s game. He moves like Talos from Jason and the Argonauts. I’d way rather gamble on Mitch’s ankle. Or maybe check in on what Mozgov is doing these days, he’s only 38!
Is Maurice Ndour playing for the Giants?
What, no RIPs for Charles Dolan?
Jalen Brunson is not the best scorer in the NBA, but aesthetically, I might take him over anyone else. The way he uses the entire court is truly unique these days, and the fact that he’s able to do this despite having a physical advantage over exactly zero fellow NBA players is remarkable.
Thank you, Mark Cuban.
Anyone who watched last night’s Colorado thumping by BYU got to see Sanders panic under pressure and take sacks of 23 and 16 yards on consecutive series by playing Fran Tarkenton ineffectively.
I’m not a college expert but I don’t see a lock NFL OB in him.
The #1 pick is important because out of 32 GMs, a few may love one of the top 2 or three players in the draft and there always is the trade down option or trade downmultiple times option.
The trade value of the #1 pick is 3000 points which equivalent to the top 5 picks in the 2hd round plus the top pick in the 3rd. You can rebuild a team pretty quickly that way, too.
But I see the Giants are intent on bleeping up the tank….
Anyone have Drew Lock with a perfect QBR and 3 TDs in the first half on their bingo cards.
Is Mara’s Razor a thing?
In the game against the Magic, Thibs effectively utilized Hart in every action when the defensive strategy involved putting the center on him. By involving Hart as an offensive initiator or screener, the team successfully dragged the rim protector out, creating opportunities. However, against the Wizards, who employed the same defensive approach, Thibs used Hart as a corner spacer multiple times instead.
It’s become increasingly clear that we need Hart to initiate the offense 40 to 50% of the time, and he must take open shots when available. Both actions help open the floor. While I believe Thibs understands this, it seems he is intentionally running less optimal sets against weaker opponents like the Wizards to address these areas of weakness and refine the team’s execution.
I suspect part of that is that we could score against the Wizards anyway and part of that is wanting Goga away from the basket while not caring if Sarr is there.
Raiders are on a downright winning streak! Gonna un-tank all the way from #1 out of the top 10. A truly impressive display of incompetence
My fave Aaron Rogers rocking a 42 RTG with 4 sacks and 2 interceptions. Hoping for a shut-out…
JK, maybe the Raiders will trade for Aaron in the off season…
I think this is the rare correct move for LA.
When you have a healthy James and Davis and throw in Reeves you are already in very good shape with scoring, rebounding and playmaking. You don’t need D’Lo. What you want is to upgrade the starting defense with a 3&D type player.
Dorian Finney-Smith is certainly no OG. I’m not even sure he’s a good now defensively as he used to be in Dallas. But he’ll add some defense and will space the floor.
They need to add another defender. They really miss Jarred Vanderbilt.
Do the Jets have any chance of drafting a legitimate starting QB from their likely draft position?
Dallas started making better basketball decisions once Cuban lost some of his power. He’s not too good at handicapping elections either. In his defense, he seems to know a lot about healthcare. Maybe he should do healthcare for the NBA and make sure all former players that didn’t make the big bucks are taken care of properly in the years between basketball and Medicare.
I’m glad I care less about Football than most people, because I don’t know how you guys stand rooting for the Giants and the Jets
I gave it a long thought but with two games left I didn’t know which one they’d use the bazooka to shoot their foot with.
With all due respect, the Giants fans are spoiled rotten. 🙂
While they have had severe case of suck fever the past 12 years, historically they are one of the top five franchises in the history of the league.
They have won 4 Super Bowls since 1986 and get beaten by the Ravens in a fifth. In the 50’s and 60’s they were the second best franchise in the league to GB.
For the Jet fans… it is much like Ric Blaine in Casablanca… “We’ll always have 1968!”
This actually was a franchise crippling win…
It’s gonna be even worse when they win again next week.
Meanwhile Barkley rushes for over 2,000 yards for the year.
I actually enjoy rooting against both NY teams… it’s also easier on the mental health.
“Meanwhile Barkley rushes for over 2,000 yards for the year…”
…and Sam Darnold is the QB of a 13-2 team…
Raiders flow chart:
Start 2-10
Fire coach
Interim coach wins meaningless games
Draft position gets fucked up
Interim coach gets hired full time
Next season start 2-10
Coach saves job by winning pointless games
Draft position gets fucked up
Next season start 2-10
Coach gets fired
Interim coach wins meaningless games
Draft position gets fucked up
Time is a flat circle
Brooks Bowers seems good!
As an Australian who only has mental space for 1 American sport, this NFL MLB talk always intrigues me, but I cannot add anything.
Glad they won yesterday, but we better hope minutes doesn’t equal injuries, because they are kind of shooting themselves in the foot with some of these efforts.
On the Knicks, I think it’s pretty clear by now that we’re somewhere between the 4th and 8th best team in the NBA and nothing seems likely to change that other than either a trade or a healthy Mitch. I don’t get all the kvetching over lackluster wins. Even if we’d lost last night it wouldn’t have meant anything other than that we were probably tired.
The only thing this team can do, as is, to prove it can be better would be to show that it can solve spread pnr action against Brunson & Towns, and that seems impossible, so it’s all just entertainment from here out.
NFL needs to go to a lottery system for the draft, they’re the last sports league not to do so. Even MLB now has a modified lottery system for their draft.
yeah, I’m ’bout to drop the giants…
I mean, you win a game scoring less than 20, okay…stuff happens…
putting up 45 points at the end of the season is pretty insulting…
it’s intentional, very unprofessional…like the team is being ran by a bunch of folks with no impulse control at all…
a building and ownership full of losers…except when it actually matters…
“On the Knicks, I think it’s pretty clear by now that we’re somewhere between the 4th and 8th best team in the NBA and nothing seems likely to change that other than either a trade or a healthy Mitch. There are no real tests likely to change that.”
Well, that’s been the consensus since the KAT trade, so what you’re saying is that the season thus far has been pretty much chalk. I would tend to agree with that.
That said, a couple of things:
In that 5-team range between 4th and 8th, there is a lot of nuance.
-are we 4th but with a big gap between 4th and 3rd, 2nd, and 1st?
-are we closer to the top-3 or the 10-15 range?
-I think we are clearly a level below the Celtics and probably the Thunder, but until we go through at least half of that 30-game stretch that I alluded to yesterday (say by the trade deadline) I can’t really tell how big the gap is between us.
-I think the Cavs are legit but can’t tell how for real their record is until their schedule toughens up.
-The Griz, Rockets, and Mavs are all excellent, but have warts, just like us. Are we even with them, just above, or just below?
-In the EC, what is the ceiling for teams like the Bucks, Sixers, Pacers, Hawks, and Magic? In the WC, the Nuggets, Wolves, Suns, Clips, and Warriors? Is their ceiling, specifically in a 7-game series, lower than our floor?
In conclusion, I know that we are very good but I have no idea how good. The first 32 games have shown me very little beyond we are as good as I hoped we would be at this point in the season. I think most of us would have signed up for 22-10 (i.e. a 56-win pace) and a current 17-4 roll at this point, given the predictable break-in grace period.
Liking the GB-Min game!
The Magic are scraping together wins despite the worst injury luck in the league. Suggs played only 17 minutes today before spraining his wrist, yet they came back from a huge deficit to beat the Nets.
Or was it an abject tank job? Hmmm…
Knicks range is not 4th thru 8th, it’s 1st thru 5th.
It certainly seems that way to me (barring a trade or a healthy Mitch).
The Cavs +9.39 SRS so far this year looks pretty legit to me, but they have a couple of key players having career years. The question is not what’s going to happen against better competition. We know they won’t win at the same rate. It’s whether the guys hitting well over their career average from 3 (LaVert, Mobley, Okoro and even Garland a bit) are really that good or whether there would be some reversion to the mean even if they played the same competition again.
I’m willing to grant some of the impovement to development and better coaching, but it looks too extreme to me to be sustainable.
I think it’s likely they are looking at both better competition and a little less luck from 3 and will eventually drop below the Celtics (assuming Holiday gets healthy and KP gets back to his best and plays a decent number of games going forward).
The same is true for Brunson, Towns, Hart, Deuce, and Payne.
The Knicks and Cavs both have really good offenses that generate open looks. I don’t think it’s crazy to expect the players from both teams to keep shooting well above their career norms.
The key difference between Cleveland and us is that they are slow playing the regular season, keeping everyone at 30 mpg or less, and using these games to develop their depth.
Imagine a horse race where one jockey has been going to the whip since the gate opened and at the quarter point he’s 5 lengths behind a horse that hasn’t even begun to exert itself. Would you bet on the one that’s trailing?
I think Towns has had a huge positive impact on our offense by taking a lot of pressure off other players and getting them better looks. A lot of people (including me) were saying before the season started that we should see an uptick in the efficiency of a few of our players because of better spacing and fewer tough shots. If there is a downturn, I think it will slight and mostly related to facing better teams.
With the Cavs, I think they are in part young and getting better, in part better coached and in part simply getting lucky. The gap between what they have been from 3 and what they are so far this year is enormous. I’m not buying it at all even though I was one of the most bullish people on them this season. I have a small bet on them to win it all.
Saw a stat on Twitter today saying Knicks are the only team in the NBA who are Top 5 in FG% at the rim, midrange, 3pt and FT.
That is a pretty remarkable stat.
Highly enjoyable watching the Celtics get their asses kicked at home by Indiana
Knicks are one game back of 2nd place in the East!
The Cavs so far are the answer to the question “what would happen if every player on a team performed at the highest end of their ability spectrum?”
It’s pretty crazy, but it’s a large enough sample size that they might have just been unlocked by the years of development and the new coaching staff, specially because if they do eventually start having injuries and players regressing a bit, they’re at a high enough level that they can take some regression and still be damn good.
I’m not exactly scared of them until they do it in the playoffs but it’s undeniable that they are a very good team.
Career average from three/this season
Jalen Brunson: 39.3/41.0 (this is the fifth season he’s cracked 40%)
Karl-Anthony Towns: 40.0/44.7
Hart: 34.6/38.5
Deuce: 36.5/40.3 (he’s actually shooting worse than last year, his rookie season skews this one)
Payne: 37.2/40.2 (not really an outlier from his last few seasons)
Caris Levert: 34.7/47.4 (has never once shot over 40% in a season previously)
Isaac Okoro: 35.8/49.2 (ten points higher than his previous high mark)
Evan Mobley: 30.2/43.7 (this is more attributable to improvement than the other two imo)
Darius Garland: 38.9/43.6
Seems pretty clear to me the Cavs are benefitting from some unsustainable three point shooting from these guys. It’s certainly not the biggest or only reason they’re so hot, but the guys you called out are not comparably beating their averages. Towns is the only one really noticeably overperforming, as Josh has actually shot better in previous seasons, and at least some of that has to be attributable to playing in a five out offense.
What a great comeback win for the T’Wolves, capped off by a wild Ant-Man pull-up 3.
Minny has chemistry issues but on paper they are pretty damn good.
I know SRS factors in strength of schedule, but the Cavs have played the easiest schedule in the NBA and there’s no getting around that.
They are excellent and they are hungry. But I need to see more, especially since this is essentially the same team that has gone pretty quietly in the playoffs the past two years.
Back to the Future or Karnak?
The only two guys worth focusing on there, Kaminari, are Garland and Mobley.
The LeVert and Okoro numbers are unsustainable but they’re both pretty fungible. They also have Max Strus, Dean Wade, Sam Merrill, Georges Niang, and Ty Jerome, so it’s not like the Cavs are dead if one guy stops shooting.
I don’t think Garland’s improvement is any less sustainable than Towns’. And Mobley can probably fall all the way down to 36% and still be an All NBA forward.
These guys (the Knicks and Cavs) aren’t just randomly shooting better. Both teams generate lots of open looks.
But again, the key difference here is that the Cavs are slow playing the regular season. They’re going to get 50 to 60 extra minutes of Mitchell, Garland, Allen, and Mobley come playoff time. The impact of this is going to be far greater than LeVert’s regression.
They’re capable of withstanding an injury. We are not. A two-game tweak of anyone’s muscle is not something we’re built to overcome.
Kaminari, I agree somewhat with your post, but not entirely, mainly because I place more stock in recent seasons for young players than career numbers.
-Okoro has a usage of 11% and has only taken 61 3’s in 23 games. If he missed 6 more of his 3’s to be at his 39% 3pt% on over 200 attempts last year, I don’t think it would have made much difference in their win total.
-Mobley is also only 4 or 5 additional misses from last year’s 3PT% of .373. His gain in TS% is more due to an increased 3PAr than his percentage. The TS% seems mostly sustainable, or at least as sustainable as KAT’s.
-Lavert’s 3pt numbers might regress, but it’s really his 2pt% looks like an outlier. His .634 eFG% seems totally unsustainable (career .499, never a season above .517 since his rookie season.)
-Garland is just a very good shooter, that was his calling card coming out of college….is he making a leap at age 24 or is he going to regress? I wouldn’t feel comfortable betting on a whole lot of regression, maybe some, but he’s really good.
Then there are guys like Wade, Strus, Niang, and Merrill who could regress upwards.
I don’t think anyone has figured out a formula for beating them yet, but until they play a lot of good teams at full strength I won’t really buy into them being anything close to a 70-win team.
Maybe I’m caught in one of those time loops that every movie seems to have these days (the really depressing thing is that I like almost all of them), but I’m sitting here as I type watching the Timberwolves playing against the Spurs…
Oh shit, I didn’t even pick up that NBA-TV was showing a replay from Friday. Duh!
Well you can move on to Randle vs. Wemby now!
Let’s vote for our boys
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Just to be clear, I’m not saying the Cavs are only better than us because of flukey shooting. I’m pretty convinced they’re better than us in several ways. I’m only disputing hubert’s specific claim that we are also benefiting from flukey shooting when we mostly aren’t and not nearly to the same degree.
For example, I’m not asserting anything that disputes this.
Also, Kaminari, FWIW I was referring to TS%.
Brunson: .613 vs .590
Towns: .660 vs .625
Hart: .682 vs .580
McBride: .570 vs .539
Payne: .576 vs .527
But again: I am not pushing the idea that the Knicks’ shooting is unsustainable. I’m just telling Strat that we are shooting above our weight as much as the Cavs are and suggesting that he’s not being logically consistent.
I happen to think both teams are shooting better for sustainable reasons.
I’m not sure how I was supposed to intuit this when you were replying to someone who specifically mentioned shooting from three. But sure, we seem to be mostly on the same page.
Sorry, not trying to be prickly. Just a long day
Brock Bowers is really good, one of the best if not *the* best TE currently in the NFL. I truly have no idea who Brooks Bowers is, so I don’t know how good he is or isn’t.
“Thwow him to the floor, Centurion!”
— Ime Udoka
The more I watch Ant Man, the more I think he’s way more hype than substance
Seems like DDV has found his stride this last week or two – tonight he’s a plus 24 in a game they lead by 3
All good. You’re right, I didn’t realize I moved the goal post.
Thomas Bryant would work here. As would Kelly Olynyk.
That’s cause the Cavs don’t have to play the Cavs.
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