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I’m kind of afraid to make a comment, because I assume Brian is going to put up a separate predictions thread soon
But just in case things it until the game thread: LET’S FUCKING GO KNICKS
I’m wondering: can Dadiet win over Thibs the way that RJ Barrett did?
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watched some side-by-sides of mikal’s jumper. watching live in the preseason didn’t seem like a massive change, but i think i was wrong — it’s pretty significant. the higher release means he’s bringing it back behind his head by several inches vs even last season and it looks like it’s throwing his balance and timing off quite a bit.
Some journalist with access to tracking data I saw said his release point is 4 inches higher than last season
It strictly depends on how acceptable his defense is. He clearly can shoot the ball, and cut and run plays with alacrity. He has the measurables and is just barely 19. Thibs has shown he will give rookies minutes right off the bat (IQ) not based on draft position, but whether they bring enough net value to the floor.
This is sort of a bad match up for him to defend vs the Celtics wings, though…. it would be funny if they put him on Horford and dared Tatum to bomb away from 26 feet….
Not to get all Pagsy, but I’m starting to worry that the upgrade from Donte to Mikal wasn’t worth five 1sts…
Right Bob, but don’t folks here think that RJ was vastly overrated as a defender?
I go with 54 wins.
Can we let the guy play an actual game before panic sets in? He does have a pretty large sample size at making them…
A question to the heavier gamblers here, are you into Polymarket?
Tommy Beer:
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Jalen Brunson will the Knicks starting point guard tonight and Tom Thibodeau is NY’s head coach.
It is the first time this century that New York has had the same starting opening-night PG and head coach in three consecutive seasons.
The last Knicks PG/coach combo to achieve this feat was Charlie Ward and Jeff Van Gundy.
Oh, totally agree. Thibs had no choice other than to play him in year 2. His other choices were Iggy, Theo Pinson or Austin Rivers … OMG.
A bit of a different roster today.
OMG, I glanced at the Guardian article linked to above. They predict us to beat the Celtics in the conference finals and then beat OKC for the league championship. Our Karma just isn’t that good.
As a horse, blackjack and poker bettor of some significance, I look at Polymarket as any other marketplace. It is prone to manipulation and the vagaries of the public’s sentiment at a particular moment.
To quote the great H.L.Mencken…”Nobody ever went broke betting against the intelligence of the American public!”
Are we talking about this:
https://polymarket.com/elections
As I understand it, a bunch of conservative millionaires dumped a bunch of money in betting markets for Trump, to make it appear he’s winning the race. Similar to how conservative using polling to attempt to skew the appearance that the race is more slanted than it is.
Or is this actually NBA/Knicks related?
I’m guessing it was this:
https://polymarket.com/event/nba-champion-2024-2025/will-the-new-york-knicks-win-the-2025-nba-finals?tid=1729604510862
Knicks with a 10% odds to win the chip, 3rd best in the league.
I’m going with 50 wins because I think we’ll play .500 ball for the first roughly 20 games before we find our groove. BUT:
– I predict a top-3 offense
– two +5 BPM players (JB and KAT)
– top-3 team in attempted threes
– conference finals appearance
I am hardly a heavy gambler, but I have made some money on the political betting markets because they have a slight-but-real conservative skew given the demographics of people who bet generally. I am not inviting any political discussion, it is just straightforwardly true that they overrate conservative candidates (particularly Trump) compared to purely empirical models.
Thanks Bob and TNFH and Mike.
Yes, about this one. I’m with you guys in thinking the market is skewed towards Trump because the conservatives are dumping money on him, and now Harris is at 36.3%, which seems like a great bet given that the polls, through 538, are at 50/50.
Seriously… conservatives use polling to skew appearances? Have you looked at the accuracy of the polling wrt Trump in the 2016 and 2020 election cycles? Facts are damn nasty thing:
2020 polling overstated Biden’s final result by an average of >4%
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2020/trump-vs-biden
https://atlasintel.org/media/atlasintel-is-confirmed-as-the-most-accurate-pollster-of-the-2020-presidential-election
we need a wins prediction thread ASAP before this gets out of hand.
I was watching an interview w Mark Cuban and he said Americans are prohibited from betting the presidential race on polymarket. So it’s not domestic money driving the odds.
This is one of the many things Cuban is wrong about. You can bet on Polymarkets, just like betting with offshore gambling sites.
Get a VPN, crypto wallet and USDC and off you go.
Much of the action IS from overseas….
Seriously, if Thibs could play RJ a whopping amount of minutes given how bad everybody here thought he was on both ends based on his stats, would it be possible that Thibs might feel the same way about Dadiet in a smaller bench role? I’ve always felt that the Thibs doesn’t play rookies thing was misleading. In fact, I’m expecting him to play all 3 (not including McCullar) in non-garbage time minutes at some point, maybe sooner than later.
I can hear Cronin pecking away in the KB HQ. Sure the prediction thread will be up soon….
Given the microscopic amount of people who pay attention to betting markets on the Presidential race, who would these supposed millionaires be trying to influence? It seems more likely it’s people looking at how close the polls are now and how much Trump vote was underestimated in the past.
Which I think is kind of dumb given the obvious political realignment going on. I don’t think there’s any way to predict what’s going to happen.
538 gives the slightest of edges to Trump right now.
Lots of millionaires are stupid but they usually won’t throw away money, it’s why they’re still millionaires.
Get out and vote. Get your friends to vote.
An alternative explanation for Trump’s better odds in betting markets than polls is that polls assume an honest election, while betting markets are able to price in the fact that he only needs to get within stealing distance to win. If his cronies in one or two swing states won by Harris prevent certification so that neither gets 270, the election goes to the house with each state getting one vite, guaranteeing a Trump presidency. Most roads lead to four more years of the Grifter King.
I know, I know. My takes on the Knicks are downright sunny compared to my takes on US politics.
Most of the better election forecasters see this race as something between 52-55 percent likelihood of a Trump win. The betting markets see him more in the 58-63 percent zone. There are a few things driving that: culturally, liberals are neurotic and see the sky as constantly falling, while conservatives are, uh, less so. Going hand in hand with that, the Harris campaign is intentionally playing up on that neurotic mindset both in their fundraising materials and their overall rhetoric: this is close and we need you to donate! The Trump campaign on the other hand is already running the victory lap.
I’m a quant by nature, so I’ll go with the raw numbers. Trump should be considered a slight favorite, but a 45% chance of winning is still a pretty significant chance.
The NBA odds in the polymarket link seem out of whack. Cleveland is underrated and Miami and the Lakers are overrated. I don’t have much faith in the Suns or the Bucks either, but that’s just me. I can see how some would think those odds for those two teams are fair.
Prediction thread quickly before I get lectured what a libtard I am for not supporting a convicted rapist tax cheat grifter fraud who’s openly advocated for a dictatorship and imprisoning his enemies
Working on a full EC standings list, and it isn’t great for the Knicks
I think there’s lots of reasons to discount the odds on political prediction markets. Those markets are almost definitely less sharp than, say, Vegas lines for sports (this is not to say that I’m sharp enough to make money off prediction markets, though I will say that I am sharp enough–so far–to have made a tidy sum sports gambling.) That’s for various reasons, but one reason is just that they’re small, illiquid markets with fairly wide bid-ask spreads, all of which make price discovery more difficult.
Here’s a great article on the various problems with non-sports prediction markets:
https://worksinprogress.co/issue/why-prediction-markets-arent-popular/#:~:text=So%20while%20prediction%20markets'%20probabilities,information%20aggregation%2C%20let%20alone%20decisive.
Also, here’s my sports prediction:
Knicks win 57
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Joel Embiid and Paul George are both out for tomorrows game vs Milwaukee, team says
Why couldn’t we have opened with the Sixers and the Bucks opened with the Celtics? Sixers are in our in season tournament group so it would have been a nice win.
You guys have depressed me so much with this thread of doom that I’ll go with 48 wins. Fuck you.
Last 2 years I had the Knicks at 48 and 50. This year I have them back at 48. Before the trade I was thinking 54. They just don’t have the depth; it takes a while for lots of new players to gel; and injuries will affect us much more this year without enough quality bigs. That said, I still think they’re going to the ECF.
Edit: I also think our defense is going to be a mess for a month or so.
going to have lunch tomorrow with family who support trump…one of my closest friends from when I was young is also a supporter…
one of the most interesting points in the interview with brett baier was when he asked kamala why she thought half the country was going to vote for trump – if he was so bad…
tough question to answer…
I think people are more prone to believe and adhere to narratives rather than facts…
that and the old George Carlin thing about how dumb the average person is, and the fact that half the folks walking around are even dumber than that…
If Mitch and Precious were healthy I’d say 55-57 wins. Since they’re not right now and it seems the starting lineup may take a bit longer to gel than I anticipated I’ll go with 52 wins thanks to the usual Thibs Knicks great stretch in March and April to end the regular season.
I assume 52 wins will be enough for a 2/3 seed in the East.
55 wins
If you think this is true, you should be betting on Kamala. That’s where the value would be.
I’m going with 48 wins. I don’t want to be disappointed.
Well Cuban wasn’t wrong. He was saying it is illegal. Also once you take the sample size down to people who connect that way it’s pretty small. Crypto bros. Trumpers. Lol
We should be good for 52-55 wins unless the injuries get completely out of hand, which is a possibility. There are a lot of teams we’ll be able to run out of the building due to the sheer talent disparity. Half of the teams in the Eastern Conference are pretty bad and aren’t trending rapidly upwards. If Towns and Brunson can stay on the floor most of the time, and we’re not reduced to playing our worst role players 1k+ minutes, 50+ wins seems pretty easy to attain.
55 wins, but more importantly an ECF appearance. Anything less would be a disappointment for me.
I’m a little surprised that my doomsaying take that our win total will be in the forties has kinda become conventional wisdom here. The cycle of yesterday’s Pags doomerism becoming today’s reality continues unbroken!
In that context I am revising my official prediction: 45 wins and a first-round or play-in exit. Bonus props:
-For no single game in the entire season will this team’s top six players all be healthy.
-One of OG or Towns will have a significant injury by Thanksgiving
-Bridges will shoot under 35% from 3 with reduced volume and will be handily outplayed by DDV. This offseason will go down in our history like the Nets’ 2013 offseason.
-Hart will be under 8 PPG per36 and under 33% from 3
-Our defense will be below average due to lack of reliable rim protection or PF/C depth
Last year the Knicks were +5000 to win the chip and I had them at 50. This year they are at +750, and I predict…51. Because I think they will improve over time and will enter the post season in relatively good health versus other teams, I believe my prediction is consistent with the betting odds.
Personally I think the presidential betting market is skewed towards Trump because Trump supporters are more passionate.
The polling numbers are probably more skewed toward Harris because there are still people out there that don’t want to say they support Trump.
That means the reality is that in this snapshot in time Trump probably has a very small edge but not enough to not be overcome by superior gray area vote collection.
It’s a pick’m election.
https://www.wsj.com/finance/betting-election-pro-trump-ad74aa71
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/17/trumps-polymarket-odds-top-60-how-election-betting-markets-differ-from-polls/
Apparently, it’s just rich folks who think Trump is going to win, so they’re throwing their money at him. So it’s not just poor folks who are willing to give a “billionaire” their money.
Kamala +152
Trump -175
At Bookmaker right now
Using Real Clear Politics as an example of how Democrats skew polling? Interesting tactic…
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html
have they actually said what embiid is “progressing well” from?
i think we will struggle to be a top 10 defense, especially while mitch is out. i think the offense will be good despite itself early, and eventually excellent. definitely worried about og or kat missing time given our lack of depth. slightly pessimistic 51 wins.
I have two thoughts on this.
Most of my hard core gambler friends that would go to the trouble of betting offshore have blue collar roots but support Trump.
Most of my hard core gambler friends would bet on Kamala if they thought she was better value even if they were rooting for Trump because their gambling money overrides everything else. 🤣🤣🤣
54.
Offensive rating: 2nd
Defensive rating: 11th
I think we’ll have some growing pains and the injury situation certainly won’t help in that department. We might be lucky to go .500 over our first 10 games. Pacome Dadiet turned 19 recently and might see the floor against the defending champs tonight. We need to iron some things out.
But we’ll hit a stride and look like arguably the best team in the NBA for long stretches.
Pags, I go with none of your predictions, even in my brief moment of gloom, outside of maybe Hart’s (which doesn’t mean he won’t be invaluable). I think they’ll be a hot mess for the first 2/3 of the season, but as said here by others they will win a fair number of games out of sheer messy talent alone. I also think they’ll come together toward the end (injuries permitting) and although I don’t expect a massive win total, I do think they could be a playoff juggernaut and the ECF is a reasonable expectation.
People I think have a misunderstanding about how polling errors work. Every election is a new set of circumstances, and pollsters are generally trying to get things right. There are a few bad faith actors who try to put their thumb on the scale— Rasmussen for instance is basically openly campaigning for Trump at this point, which means they can be safely ignored, for example. But for the most part they’re trying to correct their errors and get it right.
There’s inherent error built into polls, and they’re not always going to bounce the same way. The major pollsters could have very easily overcorrected for their 2016 and 2020 misses and are overstating the support for Trump. Or, the electorate could be changing so rapidly that they miss again in the other direction.
In general though it’s a bit of a coin flip when it comes to which way polling error will go. The coin came up “Trump” the last two times. That happens— you flip a coin twice and get heads twice in a row. The odds of the next coin flip are still 50/50, but it’s not going to come up heads every single time. Sooner or later you’re gonna get tails.
58 wins. OG is brittle. Towns will miss games. Brunson absorbs too much punishment. We will be holding our collective breath the entire season with this bunch. My optimism is rooted in 2 major changes. Bridges, his shooting mechanics notwithstanding, is a super high IQ player who can strip balls and disrupt an offense at will, especially if he is not handling all of the offensive load. Our rookies are really talented. They have an aggressiveness and athleticism that can’t be taught. They will help overcome the injury bug – at least during the regular season.
Everybody ready for the first game of the season? And also ready for tomorrow? Because we’ll discuss this season based on a sample size of ONE game, if we win it’s obvious we will be NBA Champions, if not, maybe tear it down and start over? 😀
58 wins!
Where’e the prediction thread? My kingdom for a prediction thread!
50 wins.
Then explain the cybertruck.
50 wins for the same reasons EB posted.
Damn I thought my 50 win prediction was going to be pessimistic.
The Cybertruck is so dumb and they seem to be everywhere now. So puzzling.
There is such an obvious explanation that even the slowest of the slow boys should be able to figure it out.
I don’t subscribe to NYTimes, but in 2022 Trump wasn’t on the ballot to drive people to the polls. There currently is no republican party… it is the TRump MAGA party. Do you think there was a single voter that was motivated to make Mike Johnson or Kevin Mc Carthy speaker of the house?
There is a reason Nikki Haley nor De Santis couldn’t get any traction with Trump under 94 indictments. 2022 turn out models are irrelevant to this election.
That’s one way to put it
We realized it actually isn’t. It’s not so much that this team is bad, but more that most people aren’t grasping how good the last group was. iHart is really, really good, likely a top 5 defensive C who is a plus on offense with his passing, floater, rebounding, and smarts. I think he is what EPM thinks he is, a top 15 player in the league.
Randle/DDV vs Bridges/Towns is likely a wash, which leaves us basically down iHart on a net basis. Losing an all-star caliber player for nothing is a big differentiator among good teams. The real kicker is that we spent every asset we have to lock in a weaker team.
On top of that we went from great depth to no depth, so we traded maybe a slightly higher ceiling for a much lower floor. The January Knicks were the best team we will see in this lifecycle, and I still think our smartest play would have been to sell high on Brunson/Randle/DDV’s good contracts and try to build OKC East. Instead in classic Knicks fashion, we couldn’t wait for two marshmallows and went for it prematurely.
There’s going to be a poll in two weeks that will actually tell you who will be President. Both Kamala and Trump are idiots. Pick your favorite worthless piece of shit and move on.
While I completely agree that Mark Mitchell (Rassmussen head polster) is a Trump stan, his polling results in 2020 were far superior to “quality” pollsters such at the NY Times, et al….
I have the Knicks with 274 electoral votes. I’m feeling pretty bullish on them this year.
They have NY on lock. The Liberty winning it all will boost the women’s vote. Hart’s work ethic will appeal to the blue collar worker, though the loss of Donte will hurt quite a bit. Kolek better hurry up and join the rotation or we could lose a significant portion of the Caucasian vote after losing our 2 leading white-looking minutes leaders.
But at the end of the day Brunson was voted one of the best leaders in the league for a reason and should take us across the finish line.
No one in this discussion has mentioned the relative strengths and weaknesses of the candidates or their prospective supporters other than you. It is a respectful discussion of the relative merits of online betting markets.
I agree with the premise of your post completely, but Trump is a unique situation.
Some Trump supporters at the margin are less likely to admit voting for Trump because he’s been so extremely demonized by media as a racist, xenophobe, Nazi, Hitler wannabe, Putin stooge etc. They know his personality issues like insensitivity. Narcissism, etc. . but disagree with those extreme characterizations and prefer him on policy. So they silently support him but tell pollsters otherwise.
I think this team got better. Trades were good. But alas, we still must apply a discount for Dolans Razor. 48 wins.
Pretty amazing how pessimistic Knicks fans are right now. Even radio jockey fan boys like Brandon Tierney was cautiously pessimistic. I think it’s part PTSD and part over analyzing. I would love to ride the over against the field on this blog. No chance Knicks don’t win 50 w relative health.
56 wins. Whatever happens in the grand electoral poll these extra beach days are just glorious.
The silent Trumper thing is vastly over stated at this point in my opinion. Plus you’re talking to a pollster. Who’s listening? Doesn’t the same concept apply for a rural North Carolinian who secretly thinks Trump is a menace and plans to pull the lever the other way?
Also I think healthy OG has another level to his game. We’ve seen glimpses.
It’s hard to be too pessimistic with Jalen Brunson present.
But this team is going to take a long time to gel. It’s not just new players; it’s a whole style of play that isn’t congruent with the coach’s prior system.
50 wins and no trip to the ECF is my pick.
I predict a resurgent Miami Heat will face the Celtics in the ECF, and the Minnesota Timberwolves win the chip.
Nonsense. The “liberal” media helps Trump more than they hurt him by giving him endless free airtime and sanewashing his insane ramblings.
Trump openly opines that immigrants have inferior genes and the NY Times describes this as “the former president used language that reflected his decades-long belief that bloodlines determine a person’s capacity for success or violence.”
If only there was a concise and accurate word to describe that kind of belief…
We’re literally going to out talent all but a select few teams. We flirted with that last year. We’re going to win lots of meaningless games.
I love JB’s character but on the court, isn’t he basically just Point Guard Melo?
nice EB, ha i needed the laugh…
man, i don’t ever remember any candidate having such broad and impassioned opposition – and, it may not even matter (for what it is worth, from what i’ve seen i think blue will win the day)…would not bet the house on it…
i’m gonna guess though the pucker factor between trump/anti-trump supporters is not even close…
as enthusiastic as his supporters are – those in opposition to him are firmly of the mind that our democratic system will suffer irreparable damage…
not sure if irreparable is the right term…hopefully we won’t end up waving goodbye to social security, women’s rights and affordable healthcare…
This…. I came back from my cardiologist at noon and told my wife to go outside because today was too gorgeous a day to be alive and spend it indoors.
i’m gonna go with a big: ‘heck no’ on that one…
Yeah, no. There are reasonable reasons for pessimism, but these are dumb takes. The top 6 on this team aren’t “slightly better” – they’re MUCH better. The team overall isn’t weak, just thin, and that matters in the regular season – but it doesn’t matter much in the playoffs.
And if you think JB is just Melo redux, perhaps you ought to consider the “analytics” part of this blog. Especially with Towns, his advanced stats are going to be ridiculous…as they already have been in the pre-season. Not to mention his leadership qualities, it actually sacrificing real money so that the team can be built better, something Melo never did despite lip service to the contrary.
Takes like these are why people get tired of your schtick. Pessimism has generally been welcome here, but it’s been based on analysis.
I’m guessing 50 wins. I was initially going to be around 47 but the Brunson-KAT PnR already looks unstoppable.
To the extent I’m pessimistic, it’s due to our 2 injury-prone stars and lack of depth.
I’m not a huge fan of our bench outside of Deuce, Precious, and maybe Kolek. Even those 3 are laughable compared to the all-bench team of IQ/Donte/Hart/iHart we started with last season.
I’m going to put a ? on defense but KAT is not very aware of what’s going on based on preseason. Wings can only do so much.
I might be underestimating Bridges though
looks like the betting on our win total for the season remains at 53.5…
the last few years have been a fairly easy guess on taking the over, that line though looks pretty good…
for the first time in a while, i would go for the under…
my guess is 52 wins for the season, another second round exit…
If Melo put up 7asts/36 and could run an offense, I’d have been much higher on him
I did specify that Brunson sets himself apart from Melo in terms of character and leadership, but on the court:
-Scorer with huge bag, able to carry very high volume at efficiency a bit above average
-Great in mid-range and the post
-Decent playmaker at his position but not elite
-Can tend to dominate the ball
-Poor defender
-Similar impact metrics
Am I really that crazy? Prime Melo was a very good player.
Prime Melo had similar playmaking skills relative to the average PF as Brunson has relative to PGs. He’s decent but he’s no Tyrese Haliburton.
It’s such a weird election to call. Strat mentions the hidden Trump voters, but one wonders how many Trumper wives will go in there and secretly pull the lever for Harris.
I doubt it’s significant, but nobody knows.
I wish we had an easy game to start the season. I could use a laugher.
funny you say that, having lunch with my aunt and uncle tomorrow…aunt’s blood, uncle (normally fine, very opionated person) is by marriage…
hard for me to believe she would rock with the redneckish immigrant talk if she wasn’t supporting her partner…
kinda why you heard liz mentioning yesterday that no one needs to know whom you vote for…
Just saw a huge orgy of dolphins out at Jacob Riis. That’s gotta be a sign or something.
Seriously, Trump supporters don’t read the NY Times. They know the NY Times is a politcal enemy and they’ll get the worst possible spin on everything.
IMO very few Trump supporter thinks Trump believes ALL immigrants are bad, genetically inferior etc… They don’t believe that either. That’s mostly attack rhetoric.
They think he believes a small subset of current illegal immigrants are unvetted cartel members, drug and sex traffickers, fentanyl manufacturers and distributors, sex offenders, criminals recently released from jail etc..
Those are the people he doesn’t want to enter the country. He doesn’t really care where they come from.
They could just as easily be Italian or Russian mob members.
Considering I am 75% Italian (50% Sicilian) and 25% Eastern European (mostly Russian) I am bred to be the quite the godfather. 😉 But I don’t think he’d have an issue wih me because I’m here legally and law abiding.
The NY Times sure seems to think they do, because they’ve bent over backwards to be accommodating to him for years, in ways just like I showed.
Then why does he pay no political price for saying it?
This is the sane-washing I’m talking about. You’ve added a bunch of context out of whole cloth to soften and normalize what he said. None of that was in there! You made it up.
He actually does. Here he is bemoaning a lack of immigrants from “nice countries,” which happen to be the whitest people in the world. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/08/trump-immigration-north-europe
Something tells me Trump wouldn’t have a problem with Russian mob members. “We have all the funding we need out of Russia,” and all that.
Weird how that didn’t protect the Haitian-American community in Springfield, Ohio from Trump defaming them on national TV…
I mean great but who’s gonna sane-wash the Brunson = Carmelo craptake?