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75 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.10.11)”
Interesting Post article about Klutch Sports help in getting the Duane Washington/Partizan buyout over the line. I remember earlier seeing something that they Klutch and Leon buried the hatchet.
I’ve come up with a trade that i think is good for us. Here it goes, for you all to tell me what you think.
Knicks get: Poeltl and Bruno Fernando
Raptors get: Mitch, Precious and Sims
The deal works exactly the same without Sims and Fernando, but i think Fernando is a capable backup C and Sims is not, so by bringing him in we won’t need to go get another big.
Rotation:
Brunson + Mikal + OG + KAT + Poeltl
Kolek (Payne) + Deuce + Shamet + Hart + Fernando
Per 36 numbers of the last 2 seasons:
Poeltl FG% .640 FT% .578 ORB 4.3 DRB 7.8 AST 3.6 STL 1.1 BLK 1.8 TOV 2.3 PF 3.8 PTS 16.2
iHart FG% .592 FT% .697 ORB 4.6 DRB 7.2 AST 3.0 STL 1.4 BLK 1.5 TOV 1.6 PF 4.3 PTS 10.1
Poeltl played only 50 games last season, but in the 6 previous seasons he only missed 37 games which is 6 games per season.
If Fernando isn’t a capable backup C, Hart, KAT and Poeltl can play all the mins at PF and C.
Problem: We are sending 3 players and receiving only 2, and we’re only saving 800k.
I don’t know if Leon has thought about this yet, but the trade can’t happen before Oct 28 because Precious can’t be traded before that date.
That’s good news, BE, it’s always better if we’re in good terms with all the agents.
I barely remember stuff that happened two days ago, let alone in Summer League…
I thought about Poeltl a lot when we needed a C but I never could figure out if I actually wanted him. The numbers were inconclusive and I’ve hardly seen him play.
Gotta have a guy who has been a part of the Me7o, Bargnani and Kawhi trades 🙂
cyber, that would definitely help us but I don’t see Ujiri going for that deal. I think he’s smart enough to understand that Poeltl is way better than Mitch as an investment…and that he could probably get more than one injured and two shitty players for him (sorry Precious, you are the quintessential journeyman undersized backup PF/C until further notice. Besides, we can’t trade him until January 15.)
My guess is that Ujiri wants to see how his team gels with RJ, IQ, and Barnes, plus the new guys from trades and the draft. That could be a scrappy, annoying team that pulls a 2020-21 Knicks.
IMHO The Incredible Huk has more potential than Jericho, due to his broader array of skills, but Jericho has the edge of knowing our schemes and coaching staff since 2021.
Both could take advantage of Mark Bryant’s ability to work with big men…
Anyway I’m willing to wait how this team integrates before making a move.
I just realized how hard our first 4 games of the season are (at BOS, IND, CLE, at MIA)…
Max, I like that our first 4 games are against likely EC playoff teams. It will serve either as affirmation or a wakeup call. Better to happen right off the bat than later after bad habits have been ingrained.
What’s kind of interesting is that on one hand our bench seems thin and on the other hand I’m hoping that guys like Kolek, Huk and Warren are part of it!
Totally agree Z-Man, I like to start the season facing good teams and for us to be “forced to focus” since the beginning.
Also, this place could become very interesting if we start the season 0-4 (or maybe even 1-3) 😉
I want to see how KAT works out at the 5 first. No reason to bring in a C if the defense is sustainable and the 1-5 PnR is unstoppable.
We run a hyper modern team with two 2-way, top-5 defensive wings and the stretchiest 5 in league history. Installing a lumbering giant if won’t don’t need one is a couple steps backward.
If it’s over 800k, we need exact numbers to see if we can squeeze McCullar in under the 2nd apron. Otherwise, we could cut Shamet for another rookie but that seems unlikely to be the solution.
Again, can anyone explain to me why we are discussing any trades involving Precious when he can’t be traded until January 15? By then we will have 40 games worth of info…and might have Mitch back. cyber, are you suggesting that we make that trade then?
Our old friend Fred Katz just can’t stop writing about the Knicks:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5834911/2024/10/11/karl-anthony-towns-trade-how-it-happened/
Tons of great minutiae into the mechanics of the Towns and Bridges trades, starting with the team having the foresight to ask Dadiet to take a smaller than normal rookie contract in exchange for the team paying for his buyout. So the Knicks basically spend the amount of money they would have with a 1st rounder on a typical contract, but only 80% of it counts against the cap.
Brock Aller laughs at your CBA restrictions.
I am particularly interested to see how we match up with CLE without Mitch, iHart or Julius. We used to just bludgeon them in the paint, but now we’ve transitioned away from the three players most responsible for that.
According to Spotrac, Sims actually makes an additional $4825. We need to include him for Fernando to enable us to sign McCullar to a rookie min deal. By doing so we clear the 2nd apron by $661. No, I’m not missing a K behind that number. It’s enough to fit a McDonald’s cashier for a single week.
Also, I doubt they do the trade without the rest of our draft compensation. That may not be enough either.
Alan、 that’s a great link. But it actually raised one question in my mind. Why was Bates-diop included in the deal with Minnesota? If they’d left him out they would have had to send less salary to Charlotte and some of that salary could have been him. Am I missing something?
The pressure on JB this year would crush most mortals. It’s so clearly his team custom built to complement his strengths. Getting the best versions of KAT, Mikal, and OG on O will require them all buying into being options 2, 3, and 4 respectively. KAT’s comfort as the #2 option on “somebody else’s” team, in particular, seems like a key to helping him avoid forced actions, dumb fouls, etc. JB will have to help them all feel good with playing complementary roles in the face of pressure to deliver “star” instead of “role” performances. It’ll be fun to see what he can deliver.
By all accounts, he seemed fine allowing Edwards to be the alpha dog on offense. If anything, there were reports that Edwards had to prod KAT to be more aggressive on that end of the floor.
Unlike Brock Aller, I do not have complete command of all the nuances of the CBA. I would assume that Minnesota needed to take back a certain amount of salary, though? Maybe?
Which is why, I think, him taking “less” was such a good move. He took less so they could build this perfect team around him as the clear superstar, number one option. But his sacrifice makes it clear to everyone else that he was willing to do that to get this done.
Like, OG can be fine as the fourth option on the starting 5 because he got fucking paid. JB is the number one option, the star of the team, the franchise guy and the captain.
If we come out of that 2-2 I’ll be happy.
We have two new keys starters, OG has limited minutes playing with Brunson/Hart, and we have several new bench pieces that will probably get minutes. Even the Heatles took until about half the season to get familiar with each other.
Why would we need to send out less to Charlotte? We sent out $49M and took back $49M. If we didn’t include KBD we’d have only sent out $47M and the trade would be illegal because we’d take on more salary than we sent out.
We’d need to send more money to CHA to make the deal work, one worth almost exactly what KBD makes.
NYK In:
KAT $49M
NYK Out:
S&T Dudes $6.8M
KBD: $2.2M
Randle: $29M
Donte: $11M
Total Out: $49M
Total In: $49M
This
“Even the Heatles took until about half the season to get familiar with each other.”
You mean the team that went 30-11 in the first half of the season and 28-13 in the second half?
If i remember the rule correctly it’s 3 months after he signed or January 15, whatever comes first. Since he signed on July 30 and months are ruled to have 30 days (although July and August have 31), we can trade him on October 28 as i said on my comment.
Great work, EB. Now i think the trade can happen, because Brock will love it for the money maneuvering. LOL
Ok, i agree Toronto might not want to do the deal, but Mitch is cheaper and younger, so he aligns better with their team… if he’s healthy, of course.
Everything I’ve read suggests that Precious can’t be traded until January 15, including this from Ian Begley. I would love for someone to show me that Ian is incorrect on this…
More like half a month to get familiar with each other. They started 9-7, then won, like, 22 straight starting in november.
Ok, looks like i was wrong. Thanks for the link.
Pretty sure z-man is right. The rule is the later of those two dates.
For some reason Fanspo’s trade machine says Precious can be traded on October 28. I’m not sure why. As far as I know, and according to places like Spotrac, it’s the usual timeframe.
Rookies and 2-ways are the exception and can be traded 30 days after signing.
If Donnie is correct about the Heatles starting off 9-7 *and* BE is correct about them being 30-11 at the halfway point, that would mean that they would have gone 21-4 after starting out 9-7. That’s definitely not 22 straight—someone’s math is off, but I don’t know whose. 🙂
There was a period of media panic about the Heatles and there was a lot of chatter about Spolestra being pushed out for Riley again
Yeah, they went 21-4 (including winning streaks of 12 games and 9 games) after starting out at 9-7. They lost their 17th game, their 30th game, and their game #s 40-43, so they were actually 30-13 at that point.
Went to check the rule, and i remembered the “whichever comes later” wrong. I thought it was the opposite.
December 15:
January 15:
Wasn’t there a stupid controversy early that season about LeBron bumping Spoelstra on his way to the bench.
Also I remember the Knicks beat them at MSG in January then won at Miami in Melo’s 3rd game after the trade.
as for pre-emptive panic about the start of the season, we started out 2-4 last year
The Heat’s first iteration with James/Wade/Bosh was 9-8 after a loss to Dallas after which, according to Windhorst and a other people, Lebron asked Riley for Spo’s head and was rebutted.
From then they won 12 consecutive games (Dallas beat them again in the 13th) and the rumors were over.
They immediately had another 9-games winning streak (thus going 21-1 in a 22 games stretch, Donnie wasn’t far) and were 30-11 midway, then went 28-13 in the 2nd half as BE wrote.
P.S. Thanks DDB, I was too slow…. 🙂
Wanna listen to Starks, Spree, Ray Castoldi and Ronnie Fieg talk about the 90s? Check this!
https://x.com/nyknicks/status/1844754842390352203
What’s our updated over/under in Vegas?
My math is always off*, but 1 loss in a 22 game stretch that started in November shouldn’t be interpreted as taking a half season to gel, regardless. Certainly doesn’t warrant the flabbergasted triple-questionmark, does it? (*Sorry, I ran out of fingers and toes and had to guess the rest)
I had the same question the other day Max…
just looked, from what I can tell it looks to vary from 53.5 and 54.5 depending on the booking site…
I think the “odds” (payout?) varies on the different sites also…
Edit: oh yes, and more importantly- howdy max, I hope all is well for you today 😊
Your math is off on the question marks, too. It was actually the very rare, not-often-seen quintuple question mark. 🙂
My memory was a little off. They were 9-8 to start, did not look that great, there was talk about Riley coming back and then they got on a roll.
(I see someone beat me to it)
The major point was don’t expect this team to come out firing on all cylinders.
Yeah cyber, I raised the same issue a few days ago when someone was proposing including Precious in a similar trade.
In a way, I’m kind of glad about it. My feeling is that unless something impossible to pass up comes about, we should run with what we have until January 15 and focus on integrating the two big offseason acquisitions. By that time, we will know what the missing piece or pieces are for sure, and we will know more about Mitch’s availability/reliability. We will also know more about the rookies (especially Kolek and Huk, but McCullar and Dadiet are intriguing as well, just less likely to help this year) and about our vet’s minimum guys like Payne and Shamet. That will also be a time when some teams might realize that they are going nowhere and need to shed salary, or might be willing to overpay for a spare part like Precious or Sims.
I think we need to keep our remaining powder dry for now and save it for a rainy day prior to the trade deadline.
Agree totally with Z-man’s post. We may (or may not) have already done too much tinkering; right now is not the time to do more of it without seeing what we’ve currently got.
I forgot to mention that I only have two fingers and one toe.
McCullar is older than Kolek. If he isn’t ready to contribute something, then it doesn’t look great for him. He needs to at least provide some passing, rebounding, and solid defense against small wings — dollar store Josh Hart.
McCullar is a rookie coming off of an injury. I don’t care how old you are, it is rare for an NBA rookie who hasn’t played significant time in a high-level professional league to make an impact. He may not ever be good, but he could also blossom in 2-3 years.
Remember that for whatever we’ve gained in the KAT trade, this is what was lost:
https://youtu.be/pewdPdWE8pw?si=zHZEaq08v04lV94A
Ciao Geo!
All’s fine thanks, I hope everything’s good for you too 🙂
About the over/under,
We have 22 games against the dregs, equally divided between home and away (4 with BRK, DET, WASH, 3 with CHI and CHA*, 2 with UTAH and POR).
Last year we were really good against the bottom feeders, if we do the same and play decently in the other 60 games a 54/55 wins season isn’t a guarantee but at least doable.
Health is needed of course…
* 2 at home with CHI, 2 away with CHA
“My feeling is that unless something impossible to pass up comes about, we should run with what we have until January 15 and focus on integrating the two big offseason acquisitions”
Also agree. Consensus seems to be barring injuries we are easily top six as is. Different from every other recent season. Patience to see where the holes are at the cost of a seed or two seems the better move.
When you’re that age, you’re expected to be NBA ready. There’s not a ton of runway left for him to develop, except maybe his shooting. It’d make a big difference if he can shoot, but the rest of the game ought to be ready to go.
He doesn’t need to make an impact right away, but if he’s called upon mid-season he better show something.
As to the injury, he’s always injured. He hasn’t played an NBA game and already has an injury history longer than everyone on the team outside of Mitch & OG.
Meant to do this:
GQ’s Pre-Trade Nova Knicks Interview
It would have been a really fun season.
Yeah, i agree. I was just checking Toronto’s box score to see how RJ and Quick are doing, and when i came upon Poeltl’s name i got intrigued if it’d be possible to trade for him or not.
I would’ve been way more excited about Duren than I *ever* would have been about Poeltl, but now that we have KAT, what would really be the point? Even without Mitch we’ve got Precious, Huk, and Sims.
Man, this place is dead lately. Would KB have looked like this in the ’94 preseason?
McCullar had just the one injury, right? Well, two: broke his tibia in high school but recovered fairly quickly, then got hurt at the end of his senior college season and that is still bothering him. He seems to have been pretty durable in college until the bone bruise injury.
The team is so good that Pags’ complaints are now about the blog. 😀
From Vecenie’s Big Board article:
McCullar attended Karen Wagner High School in San Antonio… …In the playoffs, he broke his leg and missed the rest of the season. In July 2018, he committed to Texas Tech over Houston, Louisville and Kansas State… …missing the first nine games of the season with a high-ankle sprain… …as a junior during an injury-riddled season in which he sprained both ankles… …He again dealt with some injuries near the end of the season —including a back issue — but declared for the 2023 draft and was invited to the combine. But he went back to Kansas… …Unfortunately, there
were more injuries — a bone bruise in his left knee didn’t improve over the back part of the season
Thanks for that, EB. I wasn’t finding anything about the injuries to McCullar during his underclass college seasons. I could see that he didn’t play in a full slate of games in those years but a “Kevin McCullar injuries” Google search wasn’t bringing back anything other than that bone bruise injury.
Yeah, I couldn’t find anything on Google either and thought I was going crazy. I remembered reading about them and had to dig up the Draft Board.
I thought they were bigger injuries but it reads like a smattering of smaller ones. Not sure that’s too much better. Supposedly he played through a lot of them, which hurt his numbers.
On the plus side, he has more talent than his draft slot if he can stay relatively healthy. I do think he’ll be viable at some point this season as an emergency wing, or at least solid for a rookie as long as he recovers from his injury fully.
I’m almost more skeptical of guys who constantly have one injury or another these days, like OG or Mitch. When Durant or Paul George or whoever have to miss an entire season they seem to come back just as good and stay reasonably durable.
I think we have to consider that McCullar was drafted at #56 in a mediocre draft, and he was chosen essentially for the same reason that Hukporti was chosen: At that point, you want to look for a market inefficiency that would have caused a given player to drop from where he might have been drafted with better luck. In Huk’s case, he had a ruptured Achilles at 20 years old that probably set him back well over a year in his development. In McCullar’s case, it seems like a mix of injuries but none that are chronic or career-threatening. If you read through the draft scouting reports and watch the film, in both cases there was chatter about them possibly going higher if it weren’t for the injuries, and both have great size and standout skills to build on for their respective positions. In McCullar’s case, he was definitely projected to go higher. Most mocks had him going from the late 1st to mid 2nd round. Most had him going in the 30’s (Vecenie had him at 45)
From NBADraft.net:
Considering that he has OG, Mikal, and Hart in front of him, he may not get much of an opportunity, and will probably have to show out in the G-League to get noticed. But he seems like a darn good upside pick at #56, even at age 23.
https://x.com/ESPNNBA/status/1844829917927629019
Shams says Julius won’t be playing against us on Sunday, but “The hope and likelihood is that Randle will be debuting at some point next week.”
Do they run the Julius tribute video on Sunday or wait until he comes back to the garden for a real game?
Seems like a regular season thing.
Am I rooting for the Padres because the Mets have a better chance against them?
Or the Dodgers because Sho is awesome?
I am not all that impressed with the Dodgers’ starting pitching but their lineup is scary. It’s pretty much a wash for me, although the Dodgers have more history…I still remember that bitter Kirk Gibson series. And finally getting Chase Utley out in a big spot.
The pitching graphics they come up with these days are insane!
padres/dodgers are both good clubs…great pitching from darvish and yamamoto…leaning towards seeing the padres move on…
I’ve complained alot about the Yankees this year but watching the rest of the playoff teams I’m finally beginning to get really excited about the Yankees’ chances of winning it all.
The baseball playoffs are random. Any team has a perfectly good chance to beat any other team. It has always been this way. It’s just not a sport where the “best” team wins every year. It’s the team that manages to string together a bunch of short series wins. There just isn’t a world of difference in baseball between a 95 win team and an 89 win team.
at this point the better team probably has like a. . .55% chance of winning, maybe 60%?
The Pistons just demolished the Suns, despite Durant and Beal playing. Cade Cunningham led Detroit in points, rebounds and assists. It could be an interesting season coming up.