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    So i was intrigued about why iHart is now light years better on offense than Mitch, and went to check BRef.

    Per 36:
    iHart – PTS 11.1 FGA 6.9 FTA 3.0 ORB 4.6 AST 3.6 TOV 1.8
    Mitch – PTS 8.1 FGA 6.0 FTA 3.1 ORB 6.7 AST 0.8 TOV 1.2

    So, he scores 3 pts more, but has 0.9 FGA more, meaning someone else will get the FGA in Mitch’s case, let’s say 50% of a 2pt and he gets back 0.9 pts. 2.1 pts more for now.

    FTAs are almost the same, no need to check it.

    Assists, iHart has 2.8 more but gives 0.6 back in turnovers, so it’s 2.2 more, again assuming 50% of a 2pt it’s 2.2 pts more. We’re now at 4.3 pts more.

    But then we have offensive rebounds, where Mitch catches 2.1 more, so he gets back 2.1 pts applying the same logic. Which gets us to iHart means 2.2 pts more per 36.

    Is that light years better? Or are there some intangibles that the stats don’t measure?

    What i fear is Mitch going down again. If Mitch is healthy for the whole season i don’t think we have a problem at all. iHart is more valuable, and i think the team works better with him, but Mitch has other strong skills that make him a very good option too. Trying to deny that seems odd to me.

    Attles was the second leading scorer for the Warriors in Wilt’s 100-point game against our Knicks, with 17 points. It’s kind of odd how I mentioned this to someone two days ago, and I had no idea that he had passed 8 days ago until Z-man brought him up just now.

    From yesterday’s Al Attles discussion…. The mid 70’s team Attles coached were my 2nd favorite team of all time to watch. They had an all world scorer in Rick Barry, a slick young forward in Jaamal Wilkes, two hammers at center with Clifford Ray and George Johnson and a good back court with Butch Beard and Jeff Mullins.

    They were a team that moved the ball as well as the Knicks championship teams.

    Bob, that was indeed a great team for purists. Barry is one of the most underrated players in NBA history, partly because he was an insufferable asshole. He has sort of remade himself in recent years, but according to Bill Simmons, a teammate said something to the effect that most of his teammates didn’t like him, but the rest hated his guts. He actually was suspected of tanking a critican playoff game on purpose just because he wanted to make a point. Talent-wise, he was essentially the Luka of his day. He lost prime time to the ABA due to his own selfishness (sort of). Great, great talent and cerebral approach to winning.

    Attles was also one of the great NBA lifers, like Jerry West, maybe the nicest guy of all of them. Player, coach, GM, team ambassador….truly beloved by Warriors fans.

    Watching darules video is just making something that should be very obvious come into clearer focus: until Leon figures out how to steal another Hartenstein, Thibs needs to figure out how to build a league-average defense without an elite rim protector.

    Our best players are Brunson, Bridges, Randle, OG, Hart, and Donte. Mitch comes in at a distant 7th, and Precious isn’t even in the picture.

    The best version of this team is going to be the one where we play our 6 best players the most minutes. Forget 4 minutes a half of small ball. Mitch should get 18-24 mpg. Precious and Sims should get 0. We can’t be limiting Hart and Donte to play Precious Achiuwa.

    Remember how no one ever thought the Nuggets could win a title bc Jokic was a terrible rim protector? Mike Malone figured it out. Thibs has to do the same, because our top 6 guys can unleash hell on the NBA. We can’t let a slavish devotion to traditional positions hold us back.

    I think you might be underselling Deuce. He can really shred in some lineups. But yeah, with the right Xs and Os this team has the firepower and enough defense to compete. It just has to kinda know itself which it’s been doing a heckuva job of.

    One of my biggest whiffs ever was Willy Cauley-Stein. Really thought he’d be a star, or at least a solid team anchor and excellent player. Piece in The Athletic documents his descent into pharmaceuticals, turns out (to his surprise) fentanyl for the most part. He’s out of it now, which is nice.

    I played briefly in that world when a colleague of mine would bring me bottles of 222s (tylenol with codeine) from Canada, where they were over-the-counter until surprisingly recently. A part of me is still grieving that they became prescription-only.

    I played briefly in that world when a colleague of mine would bring me bottles of 222s (tylenol with codeine) from Canada, where they were over-the-counter until surprisingly recently. A part of me is still grieving that they became prescription-only.

    I can tell you if you’ve ever had significant lower back pain 222’s were from God himself….

    If you could guarantee that Mitch would stay healthy for the entirety of the playoffs, I wouldn’t worry about the C position. But there’s a high probability that we spend the playoffs defending Porzingis, Bam, or Embiid with 48min of Jericho Sims and Precious Achiuwa.

    Do we even need both Donte & Hart? We can fill a playoff rotation like this:

    SG: Mikal 36mpg, Hart 12mpg
    SF: OG 32mpg, Hart 16mpg
    PF: Randle 38mpg, Hart 10mpg

    Or this:

    SG: Mikal 12mpg, Donte 36mpg
    SF: OG 24mpg, Mikal 24mpg
    PF: Randle 38mpg, OG 10mpg

    Hart & Donte are both very good, but we don’t need that many wing players. We do need a C unless we’re assuming Mitch is miraculously and finally healthy. At worst we have 48min of good to great C play.

    I am quite far from So Cal, Geo! I just got locked out of my original account somehow and had to use an old one from back when I was out there 🙂

    Doogie, for me it was the low-lying hum of anxiety from a work situation where the work was great, but I was surrounded by dick-swinging, back-stabbing narcissists on all sides. The 222s took that out that hum much like the lower back pain mentioned. I totally get the opioid crisis because of that, and am glad I only barely dipped a toe into it.

    Rick and Jalen’s relationship seems more like big and little brother than father and son.

    @wojespn
    Golden State Warriors star Stephen Curry has agreed on a one-year, $62.6 million extension that’ll keep him under contract through the 2026-2027 season, his agent Jeff Austin of Octagon tells ESPN.

    EB, I don’t think we should be so quick to discard wing depth. Those are the most valuable commodities in the NBA today. You can pick up a replacement level PG or C if you’re desperate, but if we get injured at forward or SG, that’s a lot harder to get a decent approximation.

    But there’s a high probability that we spend the playoffs defending Porzingis, Bam, or Embiid with 48min of Jericho Sims and Precious Achiuwa.

    Embiid is really the only guy that poses a real problem. We can easily defend Porzingis or Bam with Randle.

    What we should be doing is forcing other teams to figure out the hell they guard Brunson, Bridges, Donte, and Randle while OG is spacing the floor in the corner. Other than Boston, who in the NBA has the personnel to do that?

    So i was intrigued about why iHart is now light years better on offense than Mitch, and went to check BRef.

    Per 36:
    iHart – PTS 11.1 FGA 6.9 FTA 3.0 ORB 4.6 AST 3.6 TOV 1.8
    Mitch – PTS 8.1 FGA 6.0 FTA 3.1 ORB 6.7 AST 0.8 TOV 1.2

    So, he scores 3 pts more, but has 0.9 FGA more, meaning someone else will get the FGA in Mitch’s case, let’s say 50% of a 2pt and he gets back 0.9 pts. 2.1 pts more for now.

    FTAs are almost the same, no need to check it.

    Assists, iHart has 2.8 more but gives 0.6 back in turnovers, so it’s 2.2 more, again assuming 50% of a 2pt it’s 2.2 pts more. We’re now at 4.3 pts more.

    But then we have offensive rebounds, where Mitch catches 2.1 more, so he gets back 2.1 pts applying the same logic. Which gets us to iHart means 2.2 pts more per 36.

    Is that light years better? Or are there some intangibles that the stats don’t measure

    FWIW, Hartenstein had a +0.7 OEPM, Robinson was -1.5.

    If Mitch gets his fg% back up, then he’ll be fine, but there was a large dropoff in that stat last season. A lot of offensive rebounds were on his shots that he couldn’t convert.

    On the other hand, Hartenstein was instrumental during the playoffs. His passing and screening cleared away double teams that were giving Brunson issues. Mitch absolutely cannot do that. We don’t necessarily need that this season with Randle and Mikal, but the difficult to measure parts of his game were on full display during the playoffs.

    But at the end of the day I don’t think Hartenstein is much better than Mitch, if he’s better at all. However, Hartenstein is much, much, much better than Precious Achiuwa and Jericho Sims.*

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    *It wouldn’t surprise me if Sims ended up behind Hukporti on the depth-chart by the end of the season.

    I would also love to see Porzingis & Embiid be forced to stay in front of Julius for 35 mins. If they can’t do that, they’d have to hide on OG in the corner, which takes them away from the rim.

    I watched that eight straight times because it made me so happy.

    https://x.com/nyknicks/status/1829217453768921328
    Let’s get this C that scores off the dribble. 🤭

    Haha! Yes!! I’m so curious to know what the guys are working on in the off-season. I hope Mitch is getting his body right.

    As for Sims, Bondy/Post reported on 1 Aug that this is his first healthy off-season in three years:

    “This year, Sims is fit and training with Mike Bibby, who has been a coach since retiring from the NBA in 2012 after 14 playing seasons, including his final with the Knicks. Bibby, according to a source, emphasized Sims’ offensive game while working toward expanding the 25-year-old’s repertoire.”

    Let’s go!

    Feel like I’d rather have Hakeem Olajuwon in for that training rather than Mike Bibby.

    Finally got around to Catch and Kill by Ronan Farrow. jeez. Worth the read.

    62.6 seems like a good amount of money for a year’s work.

    The offense looked way way better in the second half of the season with IHart. And I obviously love Mitch. Was night and day though. Would be interested to see what his first and second half offensive splits were like and also how his splits with and without Randle looked. He seemed to thrive in his absence.

    This is all eye test, but I remember a period where KP’s efficiency around the rim was probably worse than it should have been because he was trying to tip in tough shots instead of just trying to get the OREB and then either going back up or passing the ball out. Over and above the fact that Mitch was playing at less than 100% a lot of last year, I feel like he may have been doing a little more of that also. There’s probably a fine line between when you do either and maybe Mitch was a bit on the wrong side of that this year and it was part of the reason his efficiency dipped.

    The offense started looking a lot better when we removed the guy with the 27.6 USG and 92 TS+ and replaced him with… anything other than that

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