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Works for me.
Typically don’t read the news bot stories but seemed like a slow day. Nice little story about Mitch. This team is just too easy to root for.
I know summer league is meaningless, but that Alex Sarr statline is bad and should feel bad.
Yeah, Mitch is a great guy. I hope he has an injury-free season and we get the success we deserve (after all these years, i think we most definitely deserve it). When we were rumored to go after stars (Lebron, KD) i always thought about how that (possible) championship would feel, probably it’d feel great too, but with a team of overachievers and grinders i’d say it’ll be 10x better… because, yeah, rooting for this team is really easy and natural.
If I knew such a historic performance was going on I’d have walked over to that game, instead I was treated to the mere pedestrian efforts of Ricky Council IV going 3-15.
Summer League truly is the home of the NBA’s rising stars!
Just checked the box score… oof, FG 0-15 is really really bad. I agree SL means nothing, but maybe on the negative side it can mean something. That kid will be under a lot of pressure on the next game.
Of course if it wasn’t SL, that box score would not happen. He’d still have zero points but yanked way before 15 FTAs.
It was 15 field goal attempts.
I mean, he also had 9 rebounds, 3 assists, and 3 blocks in his ~30 minutes on the court. I think the kid deserves somewhat of a pass.
15 field goal attempts or more without a make has actually happened 11 times in actual NBA games, highlighted by Tim Hardaway, who has the most shot attempts in a game with exactly 0 field goals (with 17 attempts against the Timberwolves on December 27, 1991).
How do you go 0-15 at 7’0″?
That has to be some kind of record.
He’s young and all but that makes Sarr 8-41 overall through 3 games. So excluding yesterday’s game he’d still be shooting 30.8% from the field. He’s at 19.5% overall and 25% inside the arc as a 7 footer.
He’ll probably be fine, but yuck!
Seems like. Dino Radja did it against the Spurs the day after Christmas in 1993, but he is “only” listed at 6’11” and “only” went 0-14. Billl Russell also went 0-14 against the Sixers in 1965.
Bill Russell had Wilt guarding him.
I could only watch the game on YES network four hours after it started. The contrast between their broadcast and ESPN’s was stark. On YES they actually called the game and talked about the players and the plays. It was so much better than ESPN. As I watched it, I thought this is an RSN and it’s nice, but maybe the NBA will make it unprofitable.
I don’t know, saying RSNs are good because you like listening to Michael Kay sounds like a searing indictment of RSNs.
Summer League is a mixed environment where players have different agendas, SL veterans are fighting for their NBA careers (see Washington Jr., Duane), others are showcasing for european or G-League scouts, the draftees are somewhat “entitled”…
It makes for stretches of unwatchable basketball, lot of turnovers and many questionable shooting decisions and it really matters only when it shows that you “don’t have it” (hello, Rokas! 😉 )
That said, I’m still positively impressed by TyKo playmaking, while Dadiet has interesting tools (and for ten days he’s still 18).
I think in time they should be at least useful players.
I might be a sicko and watch Alex Sarr summer league lowlights because I need to know how that’s physically possible if you are 7 feet tall. I’m not making much of it, but I already thought Sheppard was clearly better than both him and Risacher and, well, summer league has not exactly convinced me otherwise.
MSG has Clyde and Breen and seems to have a top-notch production staff, but across the league, the quality of play-by-play is not very good, with homerism galore. We even get upset when there are stand-ins like Wally.
I only hope that MSG is around long enough for Clyde to be part of a championship run. No one in the media deserves it more.
Silver says there will be active discussions about expansion this fall. Not sure whether or when it will happen, but I’m guessing it will go forward in 2026 or 2027.
I’ve mentioned this before…I am interested in how many players a team can choose to protect, and how it might help teams unload suboptimal deals. If it were today, I could see a team like the Bulls leaving both Vucevic and LaVine unprotected…would they get taken? It would seem they would if just to get up towards the salary floor…
And if they only allow teams to protect 7 or 8, it could really impact the balance between rotation players and young but promising non-rotation players across the league.
Z-Man, the expansion talk had me wondering whom the Knicks would protect if an expansion draft were to happen today. Would the team just protect its top 8 guys? i.e., Brunson, Randle, Mikal, OG, DDV, Hart, Deuce, Mitch? Would they risk losing a vet to protect Kolek or Dadiet? And, if so, which vet?
I watched Sarr’s shots….most of them were 3’s and contested floaters. A couple were blocked. I think he’ll be fine with lots of work on aspects of his offensive game. His length and athleticism really jumps off the page. Physically reminds me of a young Amare, but he seems like more of a defensive player. I think he can be special with the right PnR partner if he can refine his shooting a bit.
Meanwhile, Clingan was 3-10, so hardly a stellar performance from him as well. He did have 13 rebounds and 5 blocks in 25 minutes.
I hate those protection type situations for expansion. I’d way rather just give the expansion team the top pick in the draft and then let them try to sign free agents like everyone else. It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for a new franchise to get the #1 pick (or #2 if it’s more than one team) and go from there. It would be a long road forward but teams already tank to get into that position. It would be less disruptive to the teams that have built for both the long and short term over years.
If expansion happens in the next couple of years, it seems like it could allow aproned teams to un-apron themselves. Am I right, and if that is the case does the 2nd apron in particular loose some if its bite?
I’m hardly one for neatness and order, but 30 teams in a six division format just seems to work well mathematically. Are they gonna have 7 teams in the pacific division?
Very interesting questions, expansion drafts are always fun and scary.
And the “apron unlocking” possibility will definively be an interesting twist.
Alan, I think with this team in contender mode, you would have to leave the kids unprotected. And if you could only protect 8, I would guess it would either be Deuce or whoever is the backup C. But the guy it would make the most sense to leave unprotected assuming full health is Hart. I don’t think they would do it unless it becomes clear that this Nova core is not working as intended, so if it happened today, they wouldn’t do it. And while Randle’s contract situation is tempting to unload, I doubt that you would risk losing him for nothing before giving it a try. but in two years, we will have a lot more data. Who knows? It might be a chance to unload a guy like OG if he continues to miss lots of games, heaven forbid!
So I was thinking of a what if scenario..
What if Brunson’s example and Thibs’ influence can lead Randle to sacrifice? We do all of this talking about replacing Hartenstein on both ends, when we have a better Hartenstein on offense already. A much better one. Defensively, it’s a different story lol. Randle has more of an offensive bag, and passes just as much and as well as Hartenstein. If they can get Randle to embrace this hub role where he may only get 15 and 10, but gives you 6 or so assists whilebeing able to focus more on defense while shooting at a better efficiency because he doesn’t have to create so much- that would be wonderful. Especially if he can shoot above 50% overall and 35% from 3 while doing it. Then we can easily grab a C like Steven Adams to back Mitch up if we sign and trade Achiuwa or something. That way, we don’t have throw picks at Ainge for Kessler. That’s a complicated idea to have, but I really wonder if Randle would be willing to do it because THAT’S the way he fits on this team as seamlessly as OG and Brigdes does. However, knowing Brunson- he’s gonna sacrifice some shots so those two stay happy and engaged. Back to Randle, why wouldn’t he want to do this with all the shooting around him. With his skill set, he can easily give the team 15-10-8, while being the primary scorer on nights JB doesn’t have it.
I dunno..this Randle conundrum is a doozy. Part of me wants to keep him in a Knicks uni, but another part of me constantly tries to come up with trade ideas for a better fitting piece *shrugs*
Donnie, the frontrunners are Las Vegas and Seattle, and the assumption is that they would move a team like Memphis to the East.
The could divvy 32 teams up a bunch of ways….4 divisions of 8 teams, 8 divisions of 4 teams, or keep the 6-division format with 5-5-6 and fill in with future expansion. I wonder if the day will come where they fill in with 4 international teams, which would allow for teams to go on week-long Euro road trips and the Euros to come here.
Poindexter, are you talking about Randle at the 5? Because that whole hub thing is a lot less effective when Mitchell Robinson or Jericho Sims is on the floor. What made it so devastating with iHart was that it brought the opponent’s best defender away from the basket.
Randle will never be the C for a Thibs coached team unless he’s desperate. Granted, you can make the case that Randle might be more effective on offense at C and since we now have OG and Bridges on the perimeter there’s less of a need for rim protection. But I think it’s a waste of time and keystrokes to even discuss it. We know what he wants. He wants a player that is primarily a rim protect and rebounder that can at least score around the basket. If he has passing skills he’ll utilize them as he did with I-Hart last year and Noah in Chicago, (especially if he has no other playmaker like when Rose was hurt), but that’s not a priority. If the guy has range and can shoot, that’s even better. But then you are talking about an elite player. His priority is rim protection and rebounding. That’s why they are interested in Kessler. But they are not going to get a fair deal on Kessler from Ainge. So either overpay, bring back Precious and realize you still have issues to address at the trade deadline or find another trade.
I haven’t watched SL closely, but I just read an interesting “push” about Dmytro Skapintsev. So maybe either him or Ariel Hukporti will have to grow into the job.
I guess Phoenix is a 12 hr drive from the pacific, so it shouldn’t bother me too much if they are moved to the Four Corners division with Utah, Denver, San Antonio, and Vegas.
I disagree with Strat and am tentatively throwing my lot in with Katz et al. who seem to think Thibs will be a tad more Randle-at-the-five curious this season, largely because he’ll view those lineups more so as OG-at-the-five.
To this point under Thibs, lineups without a traditional center arguably just didn’t have the offensive juice to make the defensive tradeoffs worth it–teams weren’t exactly shuddering at the thought of Obi and/or Hart at the 4 with Randle at the 5.
Brunson-DDV-Mikal-OG-Randle on the other hand should be legitimately gangbusters offensively such that I can’t imagine it will never see the light of day. I mean, Thibs is Thibs, so I can’t rule it out, but he showed some flexibility in the playoffs and I think that’ll only continue with Mikal in tow.
You could also swap Hart for DDV and try to run a switch everyone except Brunson scheme. It’s not Thibs’s style, but it should negate the lack of a rim protecting C. Those guys are strong and athletic enough that it could work pretty well against some teams.
TNFH,
It’s not illogical to play Randle at the 5 against some lineups with our current perimeter defense, but history, their current attempt to land a backup C and Scott Perry reinforcing what Thibs and the Knicks are looking for in his recent interview all suggest there’s not going to be much of a change.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind looking at it, but I think if anyone goes small he’s going to try to kill them on the boards and if they are big, he’s going to want size.
I don’t see OG at the 5. I think that was an injury riddled move. The fact that OG can switch to the 5 also is great, but I don’t see that as something he’s going to want to do, especially with an injury prone player like OG banging with legit Cs.
I agree, TNFH. The acquisition of OG adds flexibility that just wasn’t there with RJ, and the loss of iHart necessitates the exploring of that flexibility.
I also think that Precious is more similar to OG than he is to either Mitch or iHart, so if he is brought back into the fold as a backup C, it is not much of a stretch to have an OG/Precious tandem at backup C (or Randle if you quibble).
I am hoping and expecting that they will a) work the phones until the trade deadline, with the hope that something shakes loose in December when all the newly signed players become trade-eligible, and b) that they will stoke a fierce competition between Sims, Huk, and possibly but doubtfully Skap for that 3rd C role. We know that Sims is already working his ass off in the gym, and that Huk has some raw skills to build on.
Man, does it really suck that iHart left or what?
🧡💙🏆🙏
It’s not that Thibs or the Knicks want to play Randle at the C position, it’s that they may not have a choice… and with our personnel, would it really be that bad if we did? That’s not clear to me anymore.
The biggest caveat to going small is that I think there are fewer teams that are vulnerable to that kind of lineup. There are a bunch of teams that either have dominant 5’s (e.g. Boston, Philly, Denver, Spurs, Heat) or have guys at the 4 who are as big as many 5’s (Cavs, Minny, OKC, Bucks, Magic, Griz).
If they can’t pull off a trade now (I think it’s still 50-50 they do) they are going to bring Pecious back. They also will have Sims who Thibs likes. They are currently looking at Skapintsev and Hukporti. If the latter two can’t make the roster, Sims looks terrible, Precious can’t handle it, and they can’t pull off a trade then Randle will get legitimate minutes at C. Other than that imo we are probably talking a couple of minutes here or there. But we’ll see. They are still actively trying to trade for a legit C.
Again, I’m not saying this is what I would do. I’m saying Thibs is pretty stubborn guy. He’s willing to make changes, but they have to make sense to him. He likes playing big against small trying to win the boards and big against big for defenisve reasons.
In Thibs I (largely) trust, with the exception of when he leaves starters in (for example) up by 30 with five minutes left in the game.
Or we bring back Precious and Mitch gets injured a dozen games into the season like he normally does. Unless we’re keeping Precious and somehow adding another viable C, then I think we’ll need to experiment with some Randle at the C lineups.
Even with Precious here, it’d make sense to try it. The main motivation to playing small should be getting our best players on the floor as much as possible. We have better players than Precious and we don’t have enough minutes for them if he’s in the rotation.
The Randle at the five thing is largely on Randle. As a bet I think you feel good about Thibs leaning in that direction whenever there’s no titan on the other side. The talent distribution in this roster demands it. He likes winning. As with a lot of basketball players(and people in general) Randle’s perception of himself is going to determine so much of whether he want’s to catch weight or whether he’s going to try to get paid untenable money to be a t-rex on a team of velociraptors. Melo got comfy at the three and that was that.
You must drive like Aunt Tilly…. you can easily get from Phoenix to either LA or San Diego in under 6 hours. I used to drive from Salt Lake to LA in less than 10 and SLC is way, farther north…
I remain uncomfortable with the team’s not yet addressing the loss of Hartenstein by obtaining a starting caliber Center, but I also remain confident that they have a plan.
I would only let Randle play the 5 in small spurts. In my scenario, I would still have Mitch rim running and actually being used as that weapon. Maybe Thibs should let him shoot 2 jumpers a game to see what happens
I don’t think Michael Kay was one of the two announcers. And it’s not that they were brilliant, it’s just that it was a normal game call not like ESPNs production of the first game.
Hey, not everybody owns a Ferrari! 😀
*tbh, i don’t know anything about how many hours it’d take to get from Phoenix to LA, so i hope the joke makes sense.
Joe Lacob is also not a fan of Danny Ainge.
He’s really not that weapon anymore; he hasn’t been for years.
And I honestly don’t think we want him landing on his feet too often. If Mitch attempts to catch two lobs per game he’ll probably be done for the year by January.
well fellas…there is this other area of Cali…its called “northern california” and if like me…you lived in the Bay Area and needed to get to PHX…that is likely 12 hours …depending on how messed up 5 is and then when you get near LA…PHX to LA can be quick depending if you drop in at geo’s house to smoke a blunt…
It’s becoming increasingly likely the plan is roll with what we have for 1-2 years until we have some draft picks to trade again. Obviously they will always be on the lookout for a miracle and be prepared to pounce if one comes our way. But the team is good and the flexibility is limited. It makes sense to accept the glass ceiling and let it rip.
With some luck, this team even without a Hartenstein replacement could make the conference finals next year. That would certainly be satisfying.
The sweet spot for this team making a leap is probably the summer of 2026. We have a draft pick that summer. We can offer our 2032 swap and an unprotected 2033 first. The Brunson-Bridges duo will be on their team friendly deals. The kids we drafted will be seasoned. Guys like Donte, Hart, and presumably Randle will have tradable contracts.
Hey Geo, one question. When you go to places, like your recent trip to San Jose, you take the dog with you or leave it with friends (or an hotel for dogs)?
So Bob is quicker to get to Phoenix from LA, but he misses the best part of the trip ( pun intended 😀 ) !! 😛
Co-sign. If nothing else, Brunson never looks for him at the basket anyway.
Generally I agree. Wasn’t there a beat reporter saying something to the effect of the FO viewing this as “a multiple year window and that this isn’t the final iteration”?
They’ll try to pull a rabbit out of a hat again at the deadline (or pre-deadline, as they love to do). What level of C does an unprotected 2030 swap get you?
I am pretty confident that, at worst, a garden-variety legit backup C will be available between now and the trade deadline, and at best, an opportunity for someone better than that somehow comes up, either via trade or via a post-deadline buyout.
After trading for Hart at the 2023 deadline, trading for OG in December 2023, trading for Bojan & Burks at the 2024 deadline, and last but not least, trading for Mikal this summer. I don’t think Leon will be quiet for 2 years. I know we have a finished product and i agree we don’t have flexibility, but unless we win a championship i think Leon will make changes. Maybe it involves two or more of Randle, Deuce and Mitch, and even one of DDV and Hart may have to be used to get a player we want and is by chance available. I think the only untouchable players right now are Brunson (duh!), Mikal and OG.
that sounds like an absolutely wonderful way to spend the day…mix in a little food and booze – oh yeah 👌
I did say “he will be prepared to pounce.”
If a Hartenstein-level center hits the market and Leon can acquire him for Precious Achiuwa, Deuce McBride, and some 2nd round picks, I’m sure he’ll make the move.
I’m putting that in the unlikely category, though.
I think this team as is could be a 1 seed and/or make the conference finals next year, and that’s probably good enough to keep the powder dry unless the deal is great. No need to fuck with Ainge or do anything desperate.
Generally I agree. Wasn’t there a beat reporter saying something to the effect of the FO viewing this as “a multiple year window and that this isn’t the final iteration”?
If there is only one character trait would ascribe to Leon it would be patience.
It took the Celtics, what, 7 years of playoffs to win a title? We’re not that young, but I think we can afford to let an unfinished team have a go at it. I’d rather come up short while keeping the longview than use what little gold left is left in our chest on someone like Walker Kessler
hi cyber, I hope all is well for yourself and the family…
it looks like a beautifully cool evening in porto…
right now, no great solution for dog sitting for the pooch…
which is okay because it’s nice to have some company on the six and a half hour drive each way…
what makes things even more interesting – my friend in San Jose is extremely frightful of dogs…
Doja doggie though is certainly a cutie, but my friend is sill adjusting to having the dog in the home…
god seems to have a way of putting people (and animals I guess) in your path along the journey…so I’m blessed…
the notion that I’m committed to the dog for another 12 years or so freaks me out at times…
oh man, kids a dog and now I’m working on a partner…a very surprising turn in life…
so, how was your day today cyber?
I should point out that this is largely brought on by Jalen Brunson bailing us out of 2nd apron hell. If he were signing a max next year we would have to consider taking some unsavory risks. But now we don’t.
It is 354 miles by car and if you can’t make that in 6 hours driving 90% desert Interstates, I don’t know what to say. And Bob downed a bunch of alkaloids from Page, AZ/St George, UT/PHX to LA. The “best part of the trip” was the reason to traverse that area (as well as the Milky Way at night)… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBDc1-nFJ9A
l am going to pay close very attention to Dmytro “Talus” Skapentsev today and see if there is anything there to hang some hope on. I will afford him this “professional courtesy” for a number of reasons:
1) He is from war-torn Ukraine
2) He is huge…a legit 7 footer with a 7’6″ wingspan
3) His shooting form looks better than anyone who has played the 5 for us in a while
All the signs point to Scrubsville, but hey, Luke “He Blows” Kornet is not exactly Mr. Agility out there and he’s getting a ring, so if that 3 Skap drilled yesterday is a new thing, then why not keep the door cracked just a bit open?
I guess it just seemed like 12 hours.
Regardless, if Seattle is in, then Phoenix is out.
“Maybe it involves two or more of Randle, Deuce and Mitch, and even one of DDV and Hart may have to be used to get a player we want and is by chance available. I think the only untouchable players right now are Brunson (duh!), Mikal and OG.”
I would be utterly shocked if either of DDV or Hart are moved during the next 2 years, but not necessarily unhappy…even though my wife is a Villanova alum, I’m not all that into the ‘Nova Knicks thing on its face.
Appreciate your takes, Hubie, but I’d really rather not wait until the trade deadline (or even later!) to get our center situation resolved—I’d much rather have it set by Opening Night (preferably way before then). Do I want to overpay for Walker Kessler? Certainly not. But Lordy, please just re-sign Precious already.
kolek with the 3…let’s call him “Radar”…
Hukporti has some of the worst arm positioning I have ever seen. He doesn’t fully extend them on rebounds and has them down on defense in the paint.
yeah…ol’huckabee looked good on the twitter video…in living color…not so much..
Summer league is rough for evaluating big men because the team defenses are generally not well coordinated, but I guess you can kind of get a sense of how well a guy moves around the court.
Rokas looking more like expected
Curious how folks in NY are watching this game. I have NBA TV because that’s how I watch all not-national or Miami games. I didn’t see that this is airing on regular TV.
Dribbling into traffic, cross-court passing, the 3 Jones’s and the 2 Ellis’s put the Knicks in a hole after 1.
It’s only on NBATV unless you stream it illegally
Rokas balling today.
Rokas with his best game in months, take those shots curly!
Let’s Go SLknicks!
Ok Rokas
I can watch it through the ESPN app I think it’s ESPN 3
Feels like Duane is hurting his chances of getting a deal everytime he shoots even if it goes in. Please stop.
That’s what I thought. I was in NY for nearly 3 weeks and couldn’t see the Yankees much because nobody had the Yes network and I was blacked out of the MLB package.
Knicks come back to take the lead by 5 after being down 10.
Dadiet gives me Knox vibes but maybe it’s just me trying to… believe!
Dadiet needs a lot of work on whatever that was
Baugh looks like a deadly shooter when he’s able to keep his feet into the sidelines… and he defends
There’s such a huge difference in Summer League with the 2nd and 3rd year players who have played some actual NBA minutes compared to the rookies and other players who have never seen the floor during an NBA game.
Eh, was just making a joke. But, it’s a false choice between national broadcasts and RSNs. I’m a Mets fan and before SNY existed Mets games were broadcast on channel 11 and 9.
WOW!
Hukattack !!!!
Now this is the Rokas of legend
Huk stuff!
washington is just gunning away…we’ve seen enough of his ass…why is he still in there…
This is Huk’s best shift by far…
Kolek seems mouthy…
I am done with Duane “Chuck” Washington.
3TOs but this is the best Kolek has looked to me, by far
Rokas has looked the best any Knick has looked in this SL, also by far
Keon Ellis is a prime example of my earlier point.
if kolek was playing with real players he would have way more assists…skapinsky and hukabee are not ready for prime time…
knicks at #4 in ESPN post free agency power rankings…
C’mon Hubs, this is wishcasting. I’ll grant you we could make the ECF because the 6th seed made it this year with sufficient injury luck, but 1st seed? As is?
We don’t have a materially better team than we did last year. We lost our 2nd or 3rd most productive player and added a player who’s less productive at a position of less need. We have no legitimate starting C, just Mitch for the 28 mpg he can play until his annual broken foot/ankle in December. We have no backup C who is an actual NBA rotation player. Precious would barely count as one if we did sign him.
Do you really think we’ll compete with a historically great team who won 14 more games than us last year?
The teenager was invisible but TyKo, Huk and Rokas put up a good half.
Launchpad Washington is just unwatchable…
gorge washington
Drew Timme? Was he in the league last year?
kolek looking even better when he takes a few shots. he needs to turn that baseline jump pass to the corner into a full nash dribble through.
Thibs is going to want us to max Baugh
sam mitchell has incredible dad joke stamina
Ok I unironically kinda love Sam Mitchell’s
announcing.
Our PGs and Huk are looking good!
ESPN Bet’s opening over/under win totals has Knicks at 53.5 wins.
kolek looks like a bad guy in a molly ringwald movie
Rokas has played some really nice defense today.
rokas doing his gail goodrich impersonation
Our Pythagorean record last year? 53-29.
We went all in and didn’t get measurably better. 🙁
Arguably this indicates we got worse because we had a lot of injuries and shitty play from RJ Barret last year. 🙁 🙁
This must be what it feels like watching Jordan Poole every night
scratch and sniff is making me forget about timofey
‘kolek looks like a bad guy in a molly ringwald movie’
omg
Z-Man, ready to give Skaps a seat on the Knicks bench yet?
washington jr cherry picked and got the dunk…what a loser
washington jr cherry picked and got the dunk…what a loser
the washington consensus
Celtics wins total is 58.5, OKC 55.5 and Knicks 53.5 is the 3rd highest total. Denver, Minnesota and Philly are at 52.5.
He grabbed his hamstring right after my last post and I kinda felt bad, guess it finally got really bad
i think he only grabs it when he misses
I like that Rokas finally played a poised and assertive game.
That’s what you expect from someone who played three full years in a top-5 team in the best competition outside the NBA, instead he very rarely did it in the past.
Kolek with real NBA players would have had a 20 assists game tonight.
Huk and Skap will do for a nice centers combo in Westchester…
Take the Washington Bridge to New Jersey
Take Washington Brick to Westchester
Knicks culture: defense, effort, toughness and bad inbounds…
The frat bro who says to the nerd at the keg party “you can’t come in dweeb, you’re not invited”
Knicks Summer League games always exciting til the end…
Vintage Knicks meltdown we got right here
Knicks 3pt defense in Summer League has been brutal to say the least.
Nice job TyKo, clutch!
zimmerman flew and tyler knew
welcome to the show ….kolek the barbarian
glad he got the glory and not that ballhog washington
ISM has been in the league 3 years now, doesn’t need to come to SL anymore
Kolek game winning And1!!!!
Terrific finish from Kolek, wow!
We were just the 2 seed with terrible luck.
Trying much harder than everyone else goes a long way.
Have a problem? Call Kolek!
21 pts 8 asts for Kolek, fun game overall to watch.
Kolek looks good, but this summer league team is strictly mezzanine. 😉
What are our options with Rokas Jokubaitis assuming he even wants to stay in the NBA?
These really don’t make a lot of sense. OKC adds a top 15 player by EPM plus the best wing defender in the league, losing only a guy who was unplayable in the postseason, and gets worse? They actually slightly underperformed their Pythag record last year.
And Boston gets 6 games worse after a season they mostly coasted? They also underperformed their Pythag last year and lost nothing of value…
We might need him if Deuce goes out for a backup center.
(1) Give him the Bronny deal
(2) Use one of the MLEs
(3) Trade his rights to another team
Kolek was masterful offensively in the second half, but I was also encouraged by his defense…to the extent you can analyze such a thing in summer league, anyway.
He’s slow as hell which is an obvious impediment, but he’s stocky and seems to make good defensive reads.
Really liking the TyKo experience so far. I also continue to think there’s an NBA player in Huk.
I won’t ruin the good vibes of this post with Dadiet takes.
Pags if you think the Vegas odds are insufficiently pessimistic about the Knicks there’s a way more obvious thing to do than whine about it here
The under on Boston is probably my favorite bet of the year.
I enjoyed Kolek and “Fake Julius” Hukporti today. I still don’t know who Bough is other than an OG lookalike.
Every time Kolek gets a close-up, I think they should switch on a 1950’s B&W filter.
Worth noting I’m on post-surgery oxycodone and watching on a laptop so everybody looks like somebody else if I’m being honest.
The summer league exposes warts. I believe that all the players on the Knicks summer league team are either 2nd round picks or UDFAs. It’s not like there’s any player that should have a significant impact on the big league team. At best we are looking for potential plug-in pieces here or there. Yeah, the Knicks have done a good job with some of those 2nds.
A 3rd string center and a 3rd string point guard are what I think we add from this team. So Skap/Huk and Kolek.
Filipowski looks pretty good and would’ve filled a position of need.
wishing you well, heal up tastycakes…
Pags,
There are a lot of projections in there about how injuries or lack of them impacted teams last year, which teams are going to develop young players, which teams added key starting pieces via trade or free agency that will add wins etc…
OKC could easily be a better team next year and not win as many games because the west looks like it could be ridiculously tough next year. Two of the worst teams last year (San Antonio and Memphis) figure to be a LOT better this year and the west was already a nightmare.
I make OKC the favorite to come out of the west, but imo it’s going to be brutally tough.
His shot looked decent, but those waltzing down the lane layups definitely aren’t going to be there in the big leagues.
Dadiet was a late first-round pick. But he’s also super young and raw. The only player on this Vegas squad whom I wouldn’t be shocked to see playing minutes this season is Kolek, and that’s only in the event of multiple backcourt injuries, since you have to assume Cam Payne gets first crack if Brunson, Deuce, or DDV is out.
Kolek is definitely going to dominate the G League whenever he plays games there next season.
I’m hoping that Kolek can be good enough on O to make up for the fact that he will be relentlessly targeted on D. He’s gonna have to figure out how to do Brunson-esque opportunistic stuff. TNFH pointed out that he’s slow. but strong, which is true, but he also seems to process the game abnormally fast, so he can play angles and beat guys to spots and absorb contact on offensive fouls without getting hurt.
You could tell he really wanted this one badly (he said as much during an in-game interview) and he single-handedly made it happen by scoring 5 points in the last half-minute. Great to see!
“Z-Man, ready to give Skaps a seat on the Knicks bench yet?”
Sure, as long as he never gets off of it!
not sure about the villain in the ringwald movie but kolek certainly could have been in Hackman’s starting five in Hoosiers…
I thought Huk showed some improvement. He had nice chemistry with Kolek. I still think he’s a long way from being a viable backup, but there’s some upside potential there. He’s gonna have to live in the gym for these next 3 months if he wants to have any kind of a shot at getting 3rd string minutes over Sims.
Yeah I’m somewhat encouraged by what I’ve seen from Huk. Certainly he’s currently nowhere near close to being a legit NBA backup C but I see some skills that in a year or so he should be a better option than Sims as the 3rd string C. Granted that’s not that high a bar to cross.
He can definitely sweep the leg.
Kolek hype train at a very pleasant velocity right now
Smash-burgers are just overrated.
very fun game…enough glimpses of promising play to keep some hope afloat that one or more of these players can help the team in the future…
didn’t know Huk was 7′ tall…considering his size he moves pretty good…
I just can’t see anyone that laterally slow ever playing for Thibs, or anyone else for that matter. Huk has enough athleticism, but needs more seasoning than a bottom round stake.
I was looking through our rogue’s gallery of backup C’s over the past 20 years to see if Huk reminded me of any of them…sadly, the names that resonated were guys like Earl Barron, Randolph Morris, Jackie Butler, Kelvin Cato, etc.
I imagine we’ll break camp with Cam as the backup PG, but he’s here for 1 year 3 million. If Kolek is killing it in westchester or gets some minutes with the real team and plays well it’s not going to be hard to either give Cam the Frenchie treatment or move him to a team that needs a solid backup PG because of injury or whatever.
In watching non-Knicks summer league games, it kind of opens my eyes to how scrubby our guys (other than Kolek) are. Every team seems to have several undrafted scrubs at least as good as Washington, Baugh, Toppin, Huk, Skap, etc.
Don’t knock Earl Barron. He averaged 12 and 12 for us.
Meanwhile, as DRed mentioned, guys like David Roddy look like superstars…
In nearly 2,000 career NBA minutes, OAKAAK Earl Barron posted a -7.6 BPM. He had a career TS% of .417
But yes, he did in fact average a rounded 12 and 12 in his 7 games with the Knicks. He also had a vintage game at MSG in a win vs. the 2010 Pierce-Garnett-Allen-Rondo Celts that lost to the Lakers in the finals, where he played 44 minutes and went for 17 and 18.
“Meanwhile, as DRed mentioned, guys like David Roddy look like superstars…”
Or was it BBA?
Yeah Z-Man I mentioned how guys with actual NBA experience even if they are scrubs can dominate SL games. Roddy was a late 1st rd pick 2 yeara ago and has played in 135 NBA games.
Washington JR is ball hogging for the Knicks but he’s scored a bunch of pts and has 79 games of NBA experience. Charlie Brown JR last year was by far the best Knick in their awful SL team but he had played in 41 NBA games and it was noticeable how much better and poised he was than his teammates.
Totally missed the game, but will try to catch up if I can find a replay. The Athletic is more pessimistic than ESPN. They have us sixth, just below the first tier of five contenders in a tier call “brink of contention”. The Pelicans, 76ers and Bucks were just below us in the same tier at positions 7, 8 and 9, respectively. See
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5625293/2024/07/16/nba-power-rankings-offseason-celtics-mavericks/
One thing I don’t understand. If the plan is to go into the season with what we have since a replacement for iHart isn’t available at a price we can pay, why haven’t we re-signed Achiuwa?
I’ve asked that same thing about 15 times, but haven’t really gotten a definitive answer. Not that I expect that anyone on here *should* have a definitive answer, but I find it confusing and a little disconcerting that we haven’t signed him back yet, too.
Barron actually played in 8 regular season games for us, not 7. He played in the last game of the 2012-2013 season for us and got 11 and 18 against the Hawks. 🙂
“One thing I don’t understand. If the plan is to go into the season with what we have since a replacement for iHart isn’t available at a price we can pay, why haven’t we re-signed Achiuwa?”
My guess is that Precious has a verbal agreement for a deal that is at or above market value, and the hold-up is because Leon is pursuing possibilities that require maximum salary flexibility. Once a deal is struck, it either has to be with the taxpayer MLE or the remaining money below the second apron. My understanding is that either option, once it is committed to, limits possibilities in some way.
Is this advisable? Might Precious get cold feet? It is certainly possible, but I think it is unlikely, at least in the short term. I don’t think the market for Precious is strong enough for the Knicks not to be able to match or beat another offer.
It’s also still possible that he can be overpaid and then used for outgoing salary in a sign-and-trade scenario. If he is signed now and it isn’t a sign-and-trade, my understanding is that he can’t be traded until December 15. Is that correct?
This past season, Isaiah Hartenstein averaged 7.8 points and 8.3 rebounds in 25.3 minutes per game for us.
This past season, Precious Achiuwa averaged 7.6 points and 7.2 rebounds in 24.2 minutes per game for us.
Hmmmmmmm……. Didn’t we kind of already find our iHart replacement?
Doogie, you are looking at limited stats. There were certain center matchups where Achiuwa was just too small to guard effectively. That said, he definitely should be resigned if we can’t find something better. Maybe Z-man is right and we have a tentative agreement in place pending other matters. I hope so. Also it could be the Knicks are looking at summer league to learn more about their draftees before they act. There aren’t enough roster spots to fit four draftees, Rokas and Achiuwa all on the team. They have to do a trade or waive someone (or just hire them in G league). And it seems like the entire Knicks brain trust is watching all our summer league games in person which suggests they consider them important.