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    I wonder how much of any increase in injuries is related to the demands of playing in the dunks and threes era and the rules that favor scoring and make playing defense more difficult.

    In other words, would grabbing, holding, posting up, enforcing a hostile paint area, and daring most guys to shoot 3’s make it less likely that guys get the kinds of injuries we see nowadays?

    Speaking of injuries, looks like Morey is going to try to pry Butler loose from the Heat and sign him to a max contract. That would make the Sixers formidable on paper, but paying the supermax for an injury-prone guy’s age 36-39 years seems just a tiny bit risky.

    Z-man, I think there could be something to that for sure in regards to injuries. I also just think the game is played faster now, which is connected to the rule changes for sure. Like back in the day you might get elbowed in the eye or get a bloody lip but maybe you were less likely to blow out a knee because the game wasn’t quite as fast paced.

    I don’t really think there is a real solution to this. I also think players are way less likely to play hurt now than they did back then so some of it could just be that we hear about it more.

    The only solutions I can think would be to cut 5 or so games out of the regular season (not going to happen) and have more breaks, less back to backs (which they’ve already tried to do). But we see injuries happen in the first quarter of games where the team had a few days off before, so who the F knows.

    The other option would be to make the summer break a bit shorter. Starting training camp and preseason maybe a week earlier would give them 7 days to spread throughout the season. Maybe give 2 more days off during the all star break and spread those other 5 days out throughout the season. And maybe start the playoffs a few days later but you can’t shorten the off season too much because then you screw players who are recovering from injuries during the off season!

    As far as butler..it would be a huge gamble. But oddly enough, even though injuries might be more frequent, it seems that the careers of players, at least ones that don’t have any major injuries and do a good job with their diet, exercise, etc…can be longer now because of sports medicine and advancements in rehab techniques, etc.

    swifty, I’m not sure of any causality, total conjecture on my part. But I do think that the game was better with posting up and mid-range being at least percieved as comparable efficiency-wise to dunks and threes. Just like I thought baseball was more interesting when bunting, stealing, and slap-hitting was perceived as comparable to boom or bust free swinging.

    Alan Silver does not seem to be concerned at all about the aesthetics of the product. He seems to think that the average team jacking up 35 3’s a game at 37% is a beautiful thing. There seems to be no deference to the beauty of the way the Spurs played in 2013-14 with their 21 3PA/game or even the 73-win Warriors, whose league-leading 31.6 3PA/game would be 0.4 away from dead last in the league.

    The main culprit is the uncontested corner 3. It has become a virtual layup for the average NBA player. There is an excitement to it….no lead is safe, the inside-out game that punishes double teams in the paint, etc. But the breakneck-speed close-out and the aggressive screens 30+ feet from the basket seem like they take a toll.

    Speaking of injuries, looks like Morey is going to try to pry Butler loose from the Heat and sign him to a max contract. That would make the Sixers formidable on paper, but paying the supermax for an injury-prone guy’s age 36-39 years seems just a tiny bit risky.

    But how would he do it? Jimmy is not a free agent.

    “But how would he do it? Jimmy is not a free agent.”

    My assumption is that because Jimmy has a player option for 2025-26, he is essentially an “expiring” next season. As such, if he indicates that he will not extend with Miami, Riley might consider trading him if the price is right rather than risk losing him for nothing. I don’t see it happening, but it kinda sounds like Riley is getting fed up with Jimmy, as indicated in his essentially telling Jimmy to shut up recently.

    Jimmy is a pain in the ass and he’s hurt all the time because of the minutes that psycho Spo makes him play, it’s probably not a bad time for the Heat to retool a bit

    Riley hates total rebuilds, but I don’t think he has to. The Heat have a few young building blocks to work with. Abedayo, Vasquez, Jovic and Herro can be part of a winning team long term. If he blows up the rest, adds some picks and then uses the picks to trade and do some Riley draft magic, he can probably be back in good shape after one mildly down year.

    The 76ers with Butler don’t scare me that much.

    Sure, with a healthy Embiid, Maxey and Butler they are a serious contender, but the more players you have on a team with injury issues, the greater the probability at least one of them will be out come playoff time. With Butler and Embiid, I think you have to build in a pretty high probability that at least one is less than 100% or out.

    We see that with the Clippers almost ever year. They look great on paper, but one of them is always hurt or out in the playoffs.

    Do the Sixers have enough to send Miami to make a Jimmy trade worth it? Embiid and Maxey are going nowhere, so it’s just whatever distant future draft picks of their own, plus the stuff from the Harden trade. Is that enough for Riley?

    Wow, pretty dead in here. At least we’re not talking about (that which shall not be named).

    It was nice to see Antman and Towns come out of their comas and their supposed league best defense give Doncic and Irving a little more trouble. If they hold serve, game 6 should be a doozy.

    The Sixers have some nice picks down the line — particularly their own 2028/2030 and the clippers’ 2028. If the Nets were smart (they aren’t) they would aim their rebuild for around that time. They could do a 3-way with MIA and PHI sending Mikal to Miami and Jimmy to the Sixers… they could probably get at least 4 firsts out of it and maybe a young player or two if they aren’t short-sighted.

    recency bias and all, but it’s hard to remember an easier path to a title than what the celtics have had this post season…

    the nuggets though seemed to get a bunch of favorable match ups last post season…

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    recency bias and all, but it’s hard to remember an easier path to a title than what the celtics have had this post season…

    the nuggets though seemed to get a bunch of favorable match ups last post season…

    Nuggs played weaker teams on paper but they were generally at full strength.

    No team that has come out of the West could have ever had such an easy run. Maybe one of the early aughts East teams had a comparable path to the finals…

    I’m doing great, geo. Thanks for asking! Hope you are doing well, too.

    Jimmy has one year left on his deal and then a player option that we can assume he’ll be declining. I’m curious how much you could get for 1 year of Jimmy. Figure he’ll be like a top 20-30 guy next year but he’s only good for 50-60 regular season games

    It’s Pat Riley so he’ll probably end up trading Jimmy for Zion somehow.

    The fit isn’t perfect, but if Jimmy Butler could be had for some firsts and filler…I mean, I’d be tempted!

    Ryan Dunn might give Jared Jeffries a run for his money as worst offensive Knick to get meaningful playoff minutes. But boy do I love his defense.

    Is Brandon Ingram bad?

    No but he’s not great and he’s relatively healthy compared to Zion and only Zion.

    Ryan Dunn might give Jared Jeffries a run for his money as worst offensive Knick to get meaningful playoff minutes. But boy do I love his defense.

    Gotta include Chris Dudley in that dubious list.

    I mean, if Herb Jones can become an offensive threat in three years, I don’t see why Dunn can’t. Idk if Thiborose wants to wait that long, though.

    Do you really think that Thiborose cares about a player becoming an *offensive* threat all that much?

    What about Dzanan Musa? I think he might be eyeing a return to the NBA and he would be really good. He is only just 25 and is one of the best players in Europe. He is a 6’8″ forward.

    Do you really think that Thiborose cares about a player becoming an *offensive* threat all that much?

    I think so. This is a coach who payed Bogdanovic because of his offense.

    The limited reads I’ve done of this draft show pundit opinions that are all over the place. The Knicks scouting team has a chance to prove themselves this year.

    Here’s a “lazy” list of guys that would have been available at picks 24 (and 25) who are (or are evolving into?) NBA rotation players:

    2014
    Jokic 41
    Capela 25
    Kyle Anderson 30
    Dwight Powell 45
    Dinwiddie 38
    Bogdan 27
    Jerami 39
    Clarkson 46

    2015
    Montrezl 32
    Nance Jr. 27
    Tyus 24
    Norman Powell 46
    Josh Richardson 40
    Looney 30
    Richaun 37
    Connaughton 41

    2016
    Siakam 27
    DeJounte 29
    Brogdan 36
    Zubac 32

    2017
    Derrick White 29
    Hart 30
    ?Monte Morris 51
    iHart 43
    Kuzma 27

    2018
    Brunson 33
    Mitch 36
    TimeLord 27
    Melton 46
    Devonte 34
    Vanderbilt 41
    Trent Jr. 37
    Bruce Brown 42
    Simons 24

    2019
    Claxton 31
    Gafford 38
    Terance Mann 48
    Keldon 29
    Cody Martin 36

    2020
    Bane 30
    IQ 25
    Prichard 26
    ?Tillman 35
    ?Tre Jones 41
    ?Paul Reed 58
    Isaiah Joe 49

    2021
    Herb Jones 35
    Aldama 30
    Grimes 25
    ?Deuce 36
    ?Dosunmu 38

    2022
    Jaylin Williams 34
    Jovic 27
    ?Beauchamp 24
    Nembhard 31

    2023 (None really stand out…too early to tell?)

    Is the scouting getting better or have the last 5 drafts been pretty shallow? Or am I just missing some guys?

    It looks like you covered a range of roughly twenty draft spots. You selected 55 players over nine years, which is an average of roughly six players per year. We have three picks in that range. Three times six players divided by 20 picks is roughly one. So if form holds true (and we use all three draft picks) we will probably get one useful player out of this draft.

    Is the scouting getting better or have the last 5 drafts been pretty shallow? Or am I just missing some guys?

    It could be just draft to draft noise.

    Dale Davis’s son played really well when he entered the starting lineup, he was one of the last people selected last year.

    Didn’t know Trayce was Dale’s son. Yes, he was the penultimate pick in 2023. He averaged 11.3 points/7.6 rebounds/1.7 blocks on .696 shooting in 16 games as a starter for the Warriors. Not bad for a salary of $1,119,563.

    We drafted four of the people on the list (Mitch, IQ, Grimes and Deuce) which is a pretty good number of hits from late draft picks. We also drafted Sims. I agree he isn’t a regular rotation player and I wouldn’t include him in your list, but he is still good for number 58.

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