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96 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.05.24)”
I had mentioned that at the end of Game 1, Hali looked like he was favoring his leg. This clearly is an aggravation, not a new injury. I wonder what kind of sweatshirt he will wear on the bench in Indiana.
It is going to be pretty fucking weird when OG is making 2x Brunson
“It is going to be pretty fucking weird when OG is making 2x Brunson”
If history is instructive, it will be even more weird in dollars per game played.
Katz notebook column speculating about various contract decisions facing the team, what they might do with the draft picks, etc: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5516092/2024/05/24/knicks-offseason-julius-randle-extension-nba-draft/
One excerpt, re Julius:
“The Knicks are not trying to trade Randle, but they recognize that their quest for a star could require having to do so. If a suitable target does not pop up this summer, then they could turn their eyes to the 2025 trade deadline, hoping to land one then.
Aug. 3 gives both sides a sweet spot to work out a deal. That’s a month after free agency begins, far enough into the summer for the Knicks to know (probably) if they will land a star in 2024 — and if Randle would be a part of that trade. It’s also early enough to commit to Randle and still maintain his trade eligibility leading into February’s deadline. A player cannot be traded for six months after signing an extension.“
I mean… OG gets the 7-9yr max with Bird Rights. Brunson only qualifies for the 0-6yr max w/o Bird Rights.
Just the cap increase alone would’ve qualified Brunson for an extra $19M over the life of the contract if he’d hit FA this year.
This is really an NBA cap structure issue. Same reason Ant & Doncic will only make as much as OG. Doesn’t mean OG is worth less, it’s that those guys are worth more.
Can we talk about Carlisle waving the white flag and pulling his starters down 13 with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter?
Haliburton was out for the game but I do not understand giving up like that.
Clip of Haliburton’s injury. Non-contact, routine play. Doesn’t look good.
Karma.
I am strangely untroubled by the Halliburton news
I don’t think we will get a player better than OG in free agency. I don’t think there is a long list of players I’d rather have either. Love his game.
We also can’t get a better player than him. We don’t have cap space. But we do have his bird rights.
I’m sure they’ll do whatever to keep OG. I’d imagine they’ll ask him what he would be willing to take and that will be the number. That’s really all they can do once other GMs offer the max.
Here’s a Forbes article that addresses how Philly can drive up the price.
OG is decidedly in the “pay the man and figure out how to make it work after” category. If there’s a version of this team that wins a championship in the next 5-7 years, he’s on it. He has all the leverage here because he’s really, really good.
All of this said, it would be really risky for Morey to make a max offer just to drive the price up because if the Knicks decide not to outbid him (and you never know with Dolan) they are kind of screwed. As good as OG is, I don’t think he’s enough to make the Sixers a true contender for the coming years, especially since both OG and Embiid are injury-prone and Maxey is surely going to be max-ied. (sorry!) But I can definitely see Morey doing it because, well, he’s Morey.
The MF’ing Celtics are seriously going to waltz to the NBA finals beating Miami without Butler, Cleveland without Mitchell, and Indiana without Halliburton.
I could see Morey doing that but also would he really want to potentially waste valuable time during free agency making some HUGE offer to OG just to screw the Knicks only to have him decline it anyways and sign with us? Like even if it just takes a few days, that period at the very beginning of free agency is so crucial to landing the top guys.
I’m less concerned about the dollar amount per say as I am with him potentially getting injured and not living up to it. I think healthy he is worth it and we’d be locking him up for his prime years. OG kind of has the “injury-prone” label but so far most of his injuries have been things that haven’t diminished him long term. But god forbid something happens to one of his knees or ankles and now we’re stuck with him.
So that is really my concern. If he’s healthy, he’s worth it.
OG isn’t going anywhere.
Carlisle surrendering a playoff game was pretty weird. This team is doing more to confirm my 2020 Hawks take.
If I’m Morey I’m prioritizing LeBron James first, Paul George second, and OG Anunoby a very distant 3rd. But the first two guys could say no to him very quickly.
swifty, my understanding is that since OG is a UFA, there isn’t any concerns about time like there would be with an RFA offer sheet. He can negotiate with several UFAs at the same time. In OG’s case, he can just say “Here’s a max offer, take it or leave it” and if OG doesn’t take it immediately he can negotiate with other UFAs and if something good comes up, he can just walk away from OG. The only risk would be if OG bites and then he misses out on a more preferred target, e.g. PG13.
ah gotcha. That makes sense.
I mean OG and Embiid together would be nasty and I’m sure Embiid is pushing for it so he doesn’t get POSTERIZED again by OG in a close out playoff game.
Morey knows that the Knicks have already invested IQ, RJ and the 31st pick in OG and that it would be a disastrous humiliation for them to lose him for nothing. Beyond the strategic soundness of fucking up a competitor’s cap sheet, he’s going to want to make the divisional rival that eliminated his team in their own knicks-fan filled arena pay dearly. If he could poison pill us, no doubt that he would.
Making an offer to OG isn’t going to fuck up our cap sheet, we don’t have any cap space
“Making an offer to OG isn’t going to fuck up our cap sheet, we don’t have any cap space”
It puts us closer to the second apron.
“He’s not good enough to make Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey a contender”
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doesn’t really fit well logically with
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“Pay him whatever he wants.”
“Pay him whatever he wants.”
Thanks for confirming that you have zero appreciation for the impact of the win curve on such decisions.
OG is an excellent fit with Embiid, Maxey and Reed. what about the rest of the roster…two starter slots and filling out the bench?
I’m less worried about overpaying OG than the owner of the 76ers should be about overpaying Morey. IMO, Morey has made a lot mistakes in his career, but he seems to be made of Teflon because of all the advanced stats and Sloan stuff.
I think what we pay OG is almost irrelevant as long as we still have the assets and ability to create the final version of the team with him (we do).
If anything, I’d prefer not giving him a 5th year, but even that’s not much of a big deal. If OG breaks down, this rebuild is toast regardless of whether we are paying him 25m, 30m, or 40m. We aren’t winning anything without OG. If we are paying him 40m it’s not killing our ability to add bench pieces and potentially upgrade another position.
Honestly OG and Embiid together on max contracts sounds like a recipe for Tyrese Maxey playing with 4 scrubs a lot.
Assuming Morey strikes out on LeBron and PG, I would expect him to trade for the Grant-Brogdon combo in Portland. Grant gives them what they’d hoped Harris would, and Brogdon solves their bench problem. Oubre and Melton could stick around to finish out a solid top 6.
I think they are going to concentrate on filling out the bench, seeing what the team looks like with a healthy Randle, OG, backup PG and better depth and trying to make a bigger move at the deadline if they can find one.
I don’t see anything on the horizon for this summer, but things change during a season and good players (like Hart and OG) become available when some teams that are disappointing look to shake things up.
I had mentioned Tobias Harris as a possible bench piece, the silence is deafening. If he could be had at a bargain price, he seems like a good guy who possibly hated playing within a culture dominated by Embiid and as an object of fan scorn. Maybe Thibs and Knicks Culture could rehabilitate him.
My sneering was quiet, but not silent…
He is a perfectly fine slightly above average NBA player who seems to be a good soldier and not very needy. He has a slight odor attached to him because he was so grossly overpaid for the last half decade.
At a reasonable price, he is a fine player. Not a lot to comment on.
The most we could potentially offer Harris is the taxpayer MLE and I doubt he’s considering those offers.
But Nic Batum might. And I was very impressed by him in that series.
I thought we will have our hands full keeping our own players much less trying to add any free agents. Wouldn’t us signing Harris mean we had lost OG and/or IHart, or am I missing something?
I was thinking of Harris more at a MLE kind of price, if that is even possible. Hubert, why do you think he will command more than that?
While his regular season numbers look decent, against us in the playoffs Harris averaged 9-7 as the starting power forward. Including that last game of 29 minutes and 0-2.
His counterpart, the diminutive Josh Hart, giving up four inches, averaged 16.8 and 12.3.
Doesn’t thrill me.
Harris is certainly not a legit starter at this point in his career. However, he is possibly a very high quality backup 4 on a good team. Think of him in the Obi Toppin role.
The taxpayer MLE got reduced to 2 years, $10MM (total) in the new CBA. That just seems way too low for a 31 year old stretch 4 who could definitely help some teams.
“The taxpayer MLE got reduced to 2 years, $10MM (total) in the new CBA. That just seems way too low for a 31 year old stretch 4 who could definitely help some teams.”
Yeah, probably correct.
Tobias Harris? We talking about Tobias Harris?
I’m endlessly impressed that some of you guys seem to know how the Byzantine NBA salary cap rules work.
So in that spirit, is it possible for the Knicks to basically do the “bring back the band” thing, specifically re-signing OG and iHart, and then use the MLE to sign another player to a 2/10 contract?
Tobias might be interested in a 1 year contract to show off to get a bigger payday on a different team next year.
Tobias Harris’ reputation is at its absolute nadir. Would he accept a backup role at this point? Or would he go for a featured role on a shitty team to prove that he can still actually ball
As long as we stay under the 2nd apron, but it’s gonna be a tight squeeze.
We’d also be hard capped at the 2nd apron, which may be undesirable for trade purposes.
I’m not sure it’s worth using to get a player a smidge better than the Shake Milton vet mins of the world.
If (a big if) we catch wind that OG is heading somewhere else, we really need to line up a Mikal trade even if it means shipping Randle out—this team becomes garbage real fast without a big 3&D wing.
Maybe it could be something where we get Mikal and Cam Johnson and send out Bojan and Randle to a 3rd team like Memphis… with a lot of picks going to Brooklyn.
“So in that spirit, is it possible for the Knicks to basically do the “bring back the band” thing, specifically re-signing OG and iHart, and then use the MLE to sign another player to a 2/10 contract?”
By my reading, the answer is yes so long as we stay under the second apron. But I am murky on the other exceptions, such as the Obi and RJ trade exceptions. I also wonder whether the DDV signing has any bearing on the use of exceptions, since my recollection is that he was signed using the non-taxpayer mid-level….does that mean that we can’t use an exception this year?
He had the full MLE. He won’t affect our use of exceptions or ability to exceed the 1st or 2nd apron
Embiid + Maxey and like 6 average players is a conteder. they would have been the clear 2 seed in the east if Joel stayed healthy
“He had the full MLE. He won’t affect our use of exceptions or ability to exceed the 1st or 2nd apron”
So the counting of the exception is only in the first year, even if it is for a multi-year contract, is that correct?
And if yes, then if we are allowed the taxpayer MLE, could we pay slightly more for a player by using the Obi trade exception? Spotrac has it at $6.8M…and my understanding is that you can only use one exception per year. Could we sign a UFA for $6.8M if we do so before 7/8/2024 when Obi’s exception expires? And can that be used for a multi-year deal?
“He had the full MLE. He won’t affect our use of exceptions or ability to exceed the 1st or 2nd apron”
To clarify, you can use it to go over the second apron, but once there, you can’t subsequently use it, correct?
Just found this:
“Trade exceptions created in non-simultaneous trades can’t be combined with one another, with other exceptions, or with a player’s salary; they can’t be used to sign a free agent (except in a sign-and-trade); and they can’t be traded outright to another team”
Yes for all of them except the Biannual Exception (BAE) which only prevents us from using the biannual the following year.
No, Obi’s exception is a Traded Player Exception (TPE) and can only be used to acquire players via trade. A player or players acquired via TPE must have a salary less than the value of the TPE, you cannot add a TPE to another salary or another TPE. For example, Randle + Obi’s TPE won’t combine for $36M in a trade.
You can use as many TPEs as you want.
You can only use one of the Tax, Non-Tax, or Room Exceptions due to the fact you can’t be both over the tax and under the tax or over the cap and under the cap.
I believe the BAE can only be used with the Non-Tax MLE because you lose it when you’re under the cap — preventing you from using it with the Room. The BAE also hard caps you at the 1st apron — preventing you from using it with the Tax MLE.
The Non-Tax MLE hardcaps you at the 2nd apron for the season it was signed, preventing you from exceeding it under any circumstance.
The Room Exception lets you exceed the salary cap when you use it.
The Non-Tax MLE hard caps you at the 1st apron.
Yeah, Maxey, OG and Joel seems like definite contender material given good health
whether we can use the $5mm taxpayer mle will depend on what ihart and OG make. if ihart makes his EB max of $16.2mm OG makes $38mm or more it would probably push us uncomfortably close to the second apron and/or infringe on our ability to fill back end roster slots. At $36mm starting we could seemingly do it. This is all assuming we guarantee Bojan. the bi-annual is dead at the first apron.
because we will likely be over the first apron of ~$179mm our traded player exceptions from Obi and RJ last year will vanish.
A bunch of lawyers sit around a table and discuss all the possible ways of gaming the system trying to make sure everyone gets a fair deal, but I suspect all these cap rules are needlessly complex. Some of the lawyers probably have part time jobs at the IRS or in Congress also.
A complicated CBA protects their jobs and their buddies’ jobs
This is always nice to hear (from The Ringer):
Impossible for both OG and Embiid to both be healthy at the same time
I referred to the specter of Dolan the other day. It’s always there, like a dormant herpes infection that can erupt at any given moment. Thankfully it seems to be in a long-term remission.
Seriously, my guess is that Dolan is happy as a clam with the management of his sports teams right now. I think that quote is clickbait BS from a non-source.
That quote reads as a nothingburger. Does Dolan want another star? Of course he does. Is he lurking in the wings at MSG waiting to strike if Leon Rose slips up, like the author of the piece framed the quote as insinuating? That’s a stretch.
I think the source meant to say “and that’s factorial”. It’s a misprint by The Ringer. AM I RIGHT, DOOGIE?!
Dolan expects a star….to perform at The Sphere!
The rumor was that Detroit wanted to sign Harris, so I imagine he’s going to get a decent piece of cash from them. He’s just the sort of veteran player that shitty teams sign, right?
Indiana is really not getting enough heat for essentially quitting about halfway through the third quarter of a playoff game
Mike and Clyde on MSG right now talking about their partnership is giving me goosebumps. Just awesome.
The greatness of Luka is mind-boggling.
the sam bowie over MJ is I think regarded as the greatest draft day gaffe ever…but the ice tray for luka might be 1b….
You don’t want to go down to the wire against a team that has Luka and Kyrie on it to close.
luka with the pass to nowhere, naz with the key three…
I think luka was trying to blame a teammate for that wild pass…
Luka has a bit of Melo in him but what a talent!
Not even close; at least Trae is a legit NBA player. The Pistons had the 2nd overall pick in the loaded LeBron draft and took Darko Milicic. A team, I think Milwaukee but I’m not sure, traded Nowitzki for Robert Traylor.
Damn now I have to root for the fucking Mavs in the Finals
Yeah I think Anthony Edwards may not quite be Michael Jordan. I can’t remember Michael Jordan ever vomiting away his team’s entire season
It could be argued that Dallas has the best 2 players in this series.
it’s good to see two relatively healthy clubs going at it…
luka and lively together is pretty fun to watch…
I don’t know if a healthy Knicks team could have beaten the Celtics, but if they did I’m pretty certain they could have beaten the T-Dogs and would have had a chance against the Mavs.
Oh also, Minnesota drafted Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn ahead of Steph Curry.
Nuggets gave away game 7, they should be here
I was thinking the same thing
My brother thinks Edwards wimped out by passing there. What do you all think?
Imagine being all, “Man, I hate playing with Luka.”
I think so.
Edwards is dogging it, but he’s very young and may just be exhausted. Towns is making it very clear we should want nothing to do with him at the price.
And right now that Nets trade is a steal for the Mavs, they’re really going to miss that 2029 first round pick man…
Here’s a challenge – find one post on this site where someone said the Luka/Kyrie pairing would work out swimmingly
D-mar not sure why any one would doubt it, Lukas offensive game is similar to Lebron and Irving and Lebron won a title together
Everyone doubted it
I wasn’t high on Dallas before the season, because I didn’t like their supporting cast and I didn’t trust Kyrie’s durability. But Kyrie gave them 2,000 minutes and is healthy now, and the supporting cast hasn’t been great but they’re holding their own. That was an epic fold by the Wolves, they had that game in the bag. Not ready for prime time.
I don’t think the issue was ever about their offense. it was mostly about their defense. The Mavs had a poor defensive supporting cast. So it was hard to imagine it working on defense with Luka and Irving. It didn’t last year. But the addition of Lively (via draft) and Gafford (via trade) at C (a huge defensive weakness) and the other moves they made at the deadline made them a much better defensive team. They were among the best defensive teams after the trade deadline. Also, imo Luka has improved quite a bit on defense this year and is playing much smarter team offense also. IMO he’s a much better all around player now than in previous years even if the boxscore looks similar.
Luka Doncic is a very, very special basketball player… he was ice cold in the 4th and still no hesitation at all on the last shot.
It just feels like Edwards specially isn’t quite ready yet for this level of pressure, while Luka and Kyrie thrive on this sort of environment.
I don’t think anyone saw this happening because everyone was just expecting to see Brooklyn Kyrie in Dallas, talking crazy and sinking his team while being a diva. The fact that he locked in, kept quiet all season long and genuinely seems to love Doncic brought back the really fucking great player we all saw in Cleveland.
The Wolves aren’t dead, they won a bunch of times in Denver so they can do it in Dallas too, but it’s hard to believe they’ll do it again in back to back series.
Ant-Man is still pretty raw. I don’t think he can handle Kyrie and Doncic.
I’m really looking forward to Boston vs. Dallas.
Tatum/Brown vs. Doncic/Irving will be interesting given Boston has Holiday and White doing some of the defending.
There’s also bound to be some underlying tension between KP and Dallas, especially with Doncic. KP is going to be super pumped. We’ll see if that translates into high level play or nerves given he’s never been under pressure like this and can be a bit shaky at times.
Kyrie also quit on Cleveland, Boston, and Brooklyn before ending up in Dallas. His time in Brooklyn ended with him promoting anti-vaccine conspiracies and neonazi/hotep nonsense. And he has an incredibly long injury history.
I’ll give you the curry blunder…others not so much if Luka has a few rings in a couple of yrs…and if not…probably not either…
I never made a comment on Irving plus Doncic because I really wasn’t sure. I worried about two ball dominant guards together. This often doesn’t work. Look at Atlanta. But it worked for the Knicks with Clyde and the pearl (and people thought it wouldn’t at the time). I didn’t worry much about Kylie’s personality because Dallas is in Texas where things like anti-vax are normal politics.
I’m pretty sure one poster said Kyrie was an outstanding buy-low candidate whose basketball value was being overlooked because of personal biases.
The problem with the Irving trade wasn’t fit or personality. It was a bad trade because Irving had just said some anti-Semitic shit and no one wanted to touch him. It’s similar to Miles Bridges. It was never about skill it was about not wanting a truly vile human being on your basketball team. It would have been one thing if it had been a while and Irving had apologized and acted contrite but Irving was still radioactive when Cuban traded for him. It would have been like swooping in and signing Bridges four weeks after all the domestic violence stuff came to light.
Yeah I’m fine with having Jalen Brunson instead