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ESPN.com: Knicks’ Julius Randle to have season-ending shoulder surgery

From Woj:

After two months of rehabilitation to attempt a return to the New York Knicks, All-NBA forward Julius Randle will undergo season-ending right shoulder surgery, the team announced Thursday.

Randle, who has been out since dislocating his shoulder on Jan. 27, had been relentlessly rehabilitating to resume playing prior to the Eastern Conference playoffs. Doctors warned him recently that continued instability in the shoulder made it unsafe for him to play again this season, sources told ESPN.

He had done everything possible to avoid surgery and return for the playoffs. However, the procedure became an increasing inevitability after recent visits to two specialists who warned of further injury and possible permanent damage to the shoulder if he returned to play before a surgical procedure, sources said.

It’s brutal, because Randle and the Knicks absolutely handled this the correct way, it’s just the fact that the correct way often results in this exact scenario – that you lose months to “rehab” before you end up having to get the surgery anyways (there are many examples of this with injuries to elbows in baseball, where a guy will take a few months off trying to avoid Tommy John Surgery…and then get Tommy John Surgery).

This is such a tricky surgery, but hopefully everything works out well for him, and he returns healthy in time for next season. He is to be reevaluated five months after the surgery, which sounds kind of ominous, but it’s probably a pretty standard thing (as you need X amount of time to heal from the surgery before you can test the shoulder). There’s no reason that this surgery shouldn’t be a success, but boy, it’s still sad to see Randle miss the playoffs.

I think the Knicks with OG are still a dangerous, dangerous team, but, well, I dunno OG’s deal, either.

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If we play the Heat in the playoffs, Jaquez’ reception will make the Trae Young stuff look downright affectionate.

After the Celtics’ resounding 135-100 win over the Thunder, Brown shared an update on his injured left hand, which appeared to bother him at times throughout the game.

“I think I’ve got a sprain or a strain on a ligament in my hand,” Brown told reporters. “But I think it’s fine. It’s something I’m not really concerned with going forward.

Get OG back and shock these losers after Kristaps gets hurt again too

Small anecdote about Labral tears. My son was a good high school hockey player (played with Blake Wheeler) and tore his labrum getting crunched into the boards as a senior.

After 6 weeks in a sling post surgery he did his PT and began ramping up the exercise load as prescribed. Six months later he was playing college rugby at Middlebury. Never had a problem with the shoulder after surgery and it withstood 4 years of college rugby. Not the NBA, but not tiddly-winks, either. He switched to rugby because of the beer drinking/social aspect of the sport as compared to hockey, but he loved contact sports 🙂

So, don’t despair, fellas. its only a flesh wound as the Black Knight said!

As long as we have OG, I just want Julius to get back to his normal self. This is OK. But only because, had he come back and re-injured it, it would be a LONG time before we see anything close to normal Ju. Don’t get me wrong- I’m disappointed. But I want him healthy. While it’s not the typical “Big 3”, the combination of Randle, Anunoby, and Brunson look really good- especially with DiVincenzo and Hartenstein or Mitch flanking them. They just fit, so I’d rather get the real Randle back as opposed to a facsimile. If OG can come back in time for the playoffs and Bogdanovic can find his rhythm, we can still make a run in the playoffs. So..CMON OG’S ELBOW! I’M ROOTING FOR YOU, KID! LOL

Jokes aside..Thibs now need to figure out his starting PF moving forward. As I said a few threads ago- with Mitch back, he can start Achiuwa. But, Bogdanovic starting at PF whether Hart or Anunoby is next to him really intrigues me. And he doesn’t necessarily have to play 32 minutes because we’d have Achiuwa to bring in if Bogey’s not being physical or active enough on defense. Nevertheless, here is where we find out what team we’re gonna be. Thibs’ rotation with Randle out indicated he was just waiting on him to return. Now we don’t have to be that team- if we use Bogdanovic. That’s an entirely new wrinkle to throw at teams in the playoffs. Or we can stick with size and power and start Achiuwa. I think either way will work, but Thibs has to get Bogey goin now.

This was starting to seem more likely lately. Hopefully he has the surgery very soon so he can begin rehab and get back to 100% for the start of next season.

I think this makes rushing OG back less urgent.

I think we should start discussing the draft, who we can get for backup PG and whether we can find an upgrade for DDV at SG and turn him into our Quickley replacement as 6th man scorer off the bench instead.

I think we should start discussing the draft, who we can get for backup PG and whether we can find an upgrade for DDV at SG and turn him into our Quickley replacement as 6th man scorer off the bench instead.

We need a backup PG, but I’m always skeptical of rookie PGs especially when we’re competing now. At minimum we need an emergency vet PG.

We could also use more length on the wing, some shot creation, and any semblance of production off the bench.

We should make at least 2 picks, but 3 would be better.

There aren’t going to be a ton of upgrades at SG over Donte at this point. I don’t know if he really brings enough creation to float the 2nd unit, but he’s a great off-ball 3rd option.

Gimme Spida next season. Or at least use the draft picks on players. No more punting. Shit or get off the pot.

What would the trade for Mitchell even look like? Randle out, but coming off an Injury he will not have much value and the Cavs already have Mobley at the 4. Randle and Donte work in the trade Machine.

My feeling is Cleveland is not going to move Mitchell until the deadline next year if at all, they’ll try a new coach and probably trading one of their bigs first.

This also works

Randle and Josh Hart

For

Mitchell, Dean Wade and Ty Jerome

Keeping the 19th pick in the 2021 draft and picking Jalen Johnson wouldn’t look so bad right now.

Fuck any mock drafts, this ain’t the time for that! Still hoping and rooting for a 2nd rd series vs Boston or Milwaukee.

So when is the Woj bomb about OG being out for the playoffs coming? I predict right after the Boston game.

Keeping the 19th pick in the 2021 draft and picking Jalen Johnson wouldn’t look so bad right now.

Taking Jokic instead of Cleanthony Early at 34 would have been better 🙂

Mets fire sale please

It’s self-masochistic to watch them and they’re getting good enough starting pitching to win. Their hitting sucks and waiting for JD Martinez is the same as Godot as far as a significant catalyst.

Fuck any mock drafts, this ain’t the time for that! Still hoping and rooting for a 2nd rd series vs Boston or Milwaukee.

I think a lot of us are reasonably optimistic if OG returns, but there’s not much else to talk about right now. We pretty much know how we look without Randle and our high-end outcome just got lower.

We’ve got 3 picks and wish casting is fun even though there’s like a 70% chance we punt on all the picks or move them for somebody we should’ve acquired this past deadline.

I absolutely promise that I for one will not go around saying “whoa is me.” 🙂

Nicely done, Doogie!

I absolutely promise that I for one will not go around saying “whoa is me.” 🙂

Are you riding a horse at Gulfstream today? 🙂

I think we should start discussing the draft, who we can get for backup PG

Sign Dennis Smith Jr for either the taxpayer MLE or the biannual exception, then draft Tyler Kolek for 3rd string PG and develop him slowly.

Keeping the 19th pick in the 2021 draft and picking Jalen Johnson wouldn’t look so bad right now.

Leon’s been on fire since the summer of 2023, but the team he could have assembled just by drafting the BPA is still better than the team we have right now.

Game 2 of the Mets doubleheader. They have four automatic outs in the lineup plus Brandon Nimmo and his .045 OPS and Francisco Lindor who is at a scorching .050.

It’s the fourth inning and they’re 0-9 as a team

but the team he could have assembled just by drafting the BPA is still better than the team we have right now.

But this is true for every GM. Every team would be better if that team’s GM picked the best player available.

Imagine if Cleveland picked Hali instead of Okoro, OKC drafted Maxey or IQ instead of Poku, Boston kept Bane instead of selling him for two 2nds, or the Spurs drafted Jalen to pair with Wemby.

This isn’t a criticism unique to Rose.

Reading Metsblogger is even more depressing than even my darkest post. 🙁

Reading Metsblogger is even more depressing than even my darkest post. 🙁

Re-posting from the other thread thread:

Does anyone read the Knicks Film School chat on Patreon?

A guy (not me! 🙂 ) just commented on Rokas after watching him play today against Maccabi in EL… and he made Pagliacci look like the king of the optimists! 😀

You’re one of the sunny guys today! 😉

But this is true for every GM. Every team would be better if that team’s GM picked the best player available

Not every GM punts entire drafts like Leon does in return for a bunch of crappy protected picks.

It would be cool if there was one big leon incinerated that draft pick thread where the people who like to endlessly fight about that can go

What draft pick? Will someone remind me? 😉

Very curious to know the mood inside OG’s camp. Does he/they even want to play, want to shut it down, etc. as it pertains to contract.

EDIT: Likewise iHart.

It would be cool if there was one big leon incinerated that draft pick thread where the people who like to endlessly fight about that can go

Lets put it right next to the “Thibs caused all our injuries” thread

Finally a somewhat positive update from Thibs on OG.

Tom Thibodeau:
“Rumors about the medical staff’s intention of maiming his arm are exaggerated, so he’s doing very well”.”

That is definitely good news about OG. All they need is OG to be really dangerous in the playoffs. OG transforms this team in such a major way. If good play is a flame, OG is the accelerant.

“The elbow transplant from donor Jayden Daniels is healing nicely, but OG is not ready to throw long just yet.”

With OG and Mitch we do at least have some equity on a Ewing Theory run.

I kinda secretly think JB/Deuce/DDV/OG/iHart might be one of our best 5-man lineups.

It’s still probably fatal that we have the worst backup PG in NBA history. Who knows, maybe Burks has been playing some sort of long-term TikTok prank.

But this is true for every GM. Every team would be better if that team’s GM picked the best player available.

Imagine if Cleveland picked Hali instead of Okoro, OKC drafted Maxey or IQ instead of Poku, Boston kept Bane instead of selling him for two 2nds, or the Spurs drafted Jalen to pair with Wemby.

You’re talking of the BPA in hindsight.

I hold him to a much lower standard. Like have you ever done a fantasy draft and one guy doesn’t show up bc he got stuck late at work, so the computer just autoselects the highest ranked player for him every time?

If Leon didn’t show up to any of the drafts, and a bot did all the picks just by taking the top ranked prospect, we’d have added Halliburton, Bane, Tillman, Jalen Johnson, Keon Johnson, Sharife Cooper, and Jalen Duren.

OG missed the TOR title run with an injury, so maybe now he leads us to the promised land while Randle misses out. OPTIMISM

(Bummed for Ju)

If Leon didn’t show up, and a bot did all the picks just taking the top ranked prospect, we’d have added Halliburton, Bane, Tillman, Jalen Johnson, Keon Johnson, Sharife Cooper, and Jalen Duren.

Are you taking kickbacks from Big Buzzkill 😉

I hold him to a much lower standard. Like have you ever done a fantasy draft and one guy doesn’t show up bc he got stuck late at work, so the computer just autoselects the highest ranked player for him every time?

If Leon didn’t show up to any of the drafts, and a bot did all the picks just by taking the top ranked prospect, we’d have added Halliburton, Bane, Tillman, Jalen Johnson, Keon Johnson, Sharife Cooper, and Jalen Duren.

There is no consensus objective pre-draft ranking of players

A guy (not me! 🙂 ) just commented on Rokas after watching him play today against Maccabi in EL… and he made Pagliacci look like the king of the optimists! 😀

LOL! For the record, it’s not me either. There’s more european Knicks fans than Max and me. 😀

OG is cleared for contact and is practicing. So hopefully a couple more games.

Some good news finally.

Sounds like Randle started taking contact a few weeks ago and reinjured the shoulder.

It’s really weird how the Knicks flat out lie about injuries. What is even the point?

this was begley in late march:

Julius Randle is feeling good but hasn’t been cleared yet for full contact, Tom Thibodeau says. Randle’s been doing controlled contact but hasn’t been taking live contact. Randle has been in this stage of rehab for a few weeks. Thibodeau says Randle hasn’t had setback.

Julius Randle tells @ChrisBHaynes that he re-injured his shoulder five weeks ago going through a "full-contact session." Knicks have said this whole time that Randle was never cleared for contact and was making progress.Story here: https://t.co/4fffcorgIr— Fred Katz (@FredKatz) April 4, 2024

It can be hard to tell if the Knicks are objectively weird about injuries or if we just follow their injury spin more closely than we do any other team’s, but this cuts squarely in the “they’re objectively weird about injuries” direction.

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