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  • Ex-Knick Malachi Flynn scores 50 points for Pistons off the bench – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Thu, 04 Apr 2024 03:46:00 GMT

    Ex-Knick Malachi Flynn scores 50 points for Pistons off the bench


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    [New York Post] – Thu, 04 Apr 2024 02:02:00 GMT
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  • Knicks identity is defending physically without fouling, but will results show it? – The Athletic
    [The Athletic] – Wed, 03 Apr 2024 13:01:21 GMT

    Knicks identity is defending physically without fouling, but will results show it?


  • NBA Playoff Picture 2024: Nuggets Reclaim West Lead; Knicks Fall out of East’s Top 4 – Bleacher Report
    [Bleacher Report] – Wed, 03 Apr 2024 14:00:27 GMT
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  • Rangers, Knicks not raising season-ticket prices for 2024-25 season – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Wed, 03 Apr 2024 15:00:00 GMT

    Rangers, Knicks not raising season-ticket prices for 2024-25 season


  • Deuce McBride’s rise should pay off in playoffs — whether Knicks are at full-strength or not – sny.tv
    [sny.tv] – Wed, 03 Apr 2024 16:02:35 GMT

    Deuce McBride’s rise should pay off in playoffs — whether Knicks are at full-strength or not


  • Knicks need more ‘urgency’ in tough closing stretch to avoid dreaded play-in scenario – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Thu, 04 Apr 2024 00:25:00 GMT
    1. Knicks need more ‘urgency’ in tough closing stretch to avoid dreaded play-in scenario
    2. Assessing the rest of the Knicks’ regular season schedule
    3. Knicks have not taken foot off gas in recent stretch against lesser teams
    4. Knicks’ ability to beat lesser opponents can help them go far in playoffs
    5. Knicks’ schedule about to get much tougher in final stretch


  • Kings vs. Knicks: Start time, where to watch, what’s the latest – Hoops Hype
    [Hoops Hype] – Thu, 04 Apr 2024 07:32:50 GMT

    Kings vs. Knicks: Start time, where to watch, what’s the latest


  • Knicks need win in worst way after getting latest dose of Heat ‘culture’ – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Wed, 03 Apr 2024 07:42:00 GMT
    1. Knicks need win in worst way after getting latest dose of Heat ‘culture’
    2. Heat opens important week with quality win over Knicks. Takeaways and postgame reaction
    3. Terry Rozier finds himself shooting on demand for Miami Heat
    4. Heat 109, Knicks 99: “No one got hurt, so that’s a win.”
    5. Jalen Brunson struggles, Knicks offense falters in 109-99 loss to Heat


  • Knicks guard makes agency switch ahead of looming 2024 free agency – Daily Knicks
    [Daily Knicks] – Wed, 03 Apr 2024 19:52:31 GMT

    Knicks guard makes agency switch ahead of looming 2024 free agency

  • 110 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.04.04)”

    Brunson’s splits in the 4th quarter shows the effect of fatigue, aka “too many minutes”. I wonder what these numbers look like for Hart, Divo and McBride.

    This has been obvious for a long time, including the last game against the Heat; There is a lot of metrics supporting that. It’s not just minutes, it’s overall usage. Because of the missing players, Brunson has to do way more than he normally would. It naturally takes a toll on him. He is human.

    Wait. What? Malachi Flynn?

    Yes, it looks like we already had the backup PG in tow, but Alec Burks’ sirens’ song was too strong to resist… 😀

    Hahaha. Jeeez. 34 minutes?

    He also had a season-high six rebounds, five assists and five steals in 34 minutes.

    So …

    Ex Raptors = bueno.
    Ex Pistons = no bueno?

    Brunson is being defended by big wings all game and being double-teamed and beaten up. Seems like being tired in the 4th Q is going to be a thing no matter what. He’s like a QB with a bad offensive line, running for his life and taking hits all game.

    Brunson’s splits in the 4th quarter shows the effect of fatigue, aka “too many minutes”. I wonder what these numbers look like for Hart, Divo and McBride.

    Brunson is averaging 33 min/game since his injury in Cleveland, and 35 min/game on the season. Both marks are perfectly fine, and below average for top stars. KD and his injury history are averaging 37 min/game.

    Was about to write what Marechal put down. Thibs has managed both Brunson and Hartenstein perfectly since they got hurt. If next year he manages the whole roster like that
    the minutes complaints will disappear. Then we can focus on other things like how shit out ATO plays are 😉

    (Seriously that last play vs OKC was so garbage and it went unnoticed.)

    From Macri’s mailbag today, regarding the draft. He admits he hasn’t paid a lot of attention to college hoops and barely watched March Madness, but he’s at least somewhat plugged into the organization by now:

    here’s what I can tell you:

    * I’d be shocked if they were the team that drafted Zach Edey, or any center for that matter.

    * I don’t think they’ll be able to (or want to) package their picks to move up high enough to take one of the UConn guys.

    * I’d heard they liked Tyler Kolek from Marquette, who had himself a nice little run to the Sweet 16, seems to check several of the boxes I’m guessing they’ll look for if they keep one or both selections, and will be available when they pick.

    So …

    Ex Raptors = bueno.
    Ex Pistons = no bueno?

    Maybe is just former semi-bust end-of-the-bench late first rounder still young and fighting to stay in the League could (could) be better than former lottery-pick-turned-journeyman who looks cooked as a Thanksgiving turkey…

    Or maybe, in the same circumstances, the Ghost Of Alec Burks would’ve scored 70…

    Anyway, shopping from the worst team of the league is always risky, putting up decent numbers playing for the ragtags is easier, someone has to take those shots (and rebounds and assists…)…

    In Kolek we trust (or at least the Hive trusts, I’ve never seen him play and I defer to the better informed)…

    Or maybe …

    Or maybe … Immanuel Quickley was the most pious Knick of all time (including Charlie Ward) and we have pissed off the Almighty.

    Malachi and Evian with a combined 50 points on 30 FGA last nite. Looks like they won the trade . Oh, wait…

    Hot take: start Bojan tonight.

    He’s coming off a good game.

    It’s entirely plausible that coming off the bench has something to do with why he’s been uncharacteristically bad.

    The guy has a 7 year track record; one variable changed when he got here, and he’s been completely off. One should at least attempt to see if restoring said variable to its original position makes a difference.

    Corey Brewer! I’m surprised that he scored even 30 in a game, let alone 50. He couldn’t shoot to save his life.

    A career .502 TS%!

    Well Malachi is clearly deserving to be on the list of worst players to score 50, but Charles Smith, Clifford Robinson, Andre Miller, Abdul-Rauf, and Mad Max were all good-to-excellent NBA players for more than a couple of years.

    Ah Brandon Jennings, I remember when he put up a 55 point game his rookie year and lamenting that we never draft guys like that.

    Turns out that was the high point of his career.

    I think I read last night evil donte scored the 2nd most points in league history for a bench player- one point behind Jamal Crawford.

    Well Malachi is clearly deserving to be on the list of worst players to score 50, but Charles Smith, Clifford Robinson, Andre Miller, Abdul-Rauf, and Mad Max were all good-to-excellent NBA players for more than a couple of years.

    Yes, several of those players felt like they were in there simply to fill out the list and make the headline extra click bait-y. Tim McMahon figured out that Evil Donte had the lowest career scoring average of any player prior to a 50-point game, and lists the others in a graphic:

    https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1775705476614758431

    woj says strat has been saying for years that randle would end up getting surgery

    if OG can get back I think the team can still have a fun playoff run, if not it’s probably going to be tough to get out of the first round (if we avoid the play in)

    Feel horrible for Randle, hope this at least means he’ll be back 100% for opening night next season.

    Well, there it is. Guess the pressure’s off now. Let’s see if we can get OG up to 100% and win a round. Gutted for Julius.

    Julius Randle is said to be devastated about not being able return, particularly because he knows how well they were playing after OG Anunoby trade, per sources familiar with the matter. One medical fear was Randle could permanently damage shoulder if he returned, per sources.— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) April 4, 2024

    Gonna do some research on the constitutionality of banning Jaime Jaquez Jr. from all public accommodations in New York City.

    my big offseason agenda was going to be pushing a Randle trade that’s probably off the table now

    Ugh, feel bad for Julius.

    I hope OG is not the other shoe to drop.

    It has to be the most Knicksy thing to have the most dominant team in the century for a month and then just see it fall apart due to injuries.

    Fuck the Heat.

    This sucks. But I’d rather he just get the surgery than try to gut his way through it and create a much longer-term problem.

    Julius is, like his coach, a maniac who never wants to take a break. For him to give up the ghost means he must be in unbelievable pain when he tries playing. You don’t want that guy trying to play, both for his sake and for your team’s.

    WOW, he’ll be re-evaluated in 5 months!

    This really sucks, I understand he tried his best to avoid surgery but at the end of the day he lost 2 months for nothing…

    Sad, sad news.

    Julius coming back and immediately completely fucking it up his shoulder would have been the Knicksiest result but this is still pretty disappointing

    Well that sucks but I’d rather he do it and we have a real shot at competing next year than Randle struggle and the team not do anything in the playoffs anyways. I also think it’s good for him because if he did play, he would not be 100% and that would only fuel the “Randle can’t play in the playoffs narrative.”

    Let’s just hope OG can come back and we can win at least one round.

    i’m sure it won’t given the newfound attention to tilting the equilibrium back toward defense, but the dimmest of silver linings would be if this sparks renewed interest in narrowing the charge rule. i’m in the camp that when it’s eventually changed we will look back on it as an incredibly lose-lose rule that risked player health while also makes the game less fun to watch.

    Honestly I was bracing for it, a player of my italian team had the same kind of injury (but in a less violent collision) and after a 6-weeks rehab and a fake comeback had to surrender and get surgery last month.

    You must take the long term view, this are sneaky dangerous injuries.

    We’ll go for a revenge tour next year…

    We’ll go for a revenge tour next year…

    I sure hope so. I feel so bad for Randle. He was having an amazing season before this happened and the team was kicking so much ass in January. But long view, if he can get this done now and be back by the beginning of the season, if we can get everyone healthy, resigned, make a couple of good draft picks/off season pick ups, we can be a deep and talented team next season.

    If Leon and Thibs can come up with a load management plan and if we can get out of the gate stacking up wins early in the season, we can hopefully manage minutes better, especially if Thibs has a bench he can trust to get the job done.

    And at least we now know. It’s better than false hope, like Hubs said. And now anything we do post season is gravy.

    Seems like a good time to bring back my plan to make JACQUEZ SUCKS the POTVIN SUCKS of knicks fans.

    This L is on Thibs.

    Randle had no business being on the court up 17 with posession and only 4 minutes left.

    Two strings got us to here and changed culture…that was big…but need move on this summer to take the next step.

    Seems like a good time to bring back my plan to make JACQUEZ SUCKS the POTVIN SUCKS of knicks fans.

    agree…hope the f*cker gets undercut by some scrub and breaks something…if there is any karmic justice in this world…

    Still with this bullshit:

    Randle will undergo surgery and will be reevaluated in five months, the Knicks announced before Thursday’s game against the Kings.

    We’re going to be guessing about his status all summer. This is such a disrespectful way to treat your fans.

    How about:

    “Randle will undergo surgery to repair ______, and is expected to miss [insert best case scenario] to [insert worst case scenario] months,the Knicks announced before Thursday’s game against the Kings.

    That’s how it was done for 40 years. What’s wrong with that?

    This L is on Thibs.

    I’ll form the staunchest wall of defense around Thibs for keeping Julius in that game. Totally unreasonable to expect him to be pulled.

    Sucks for Randle, but it is what it is. Not going to assign blame on this (except maybe the league for not reevaluating the charge rule).

    If we can get OG back 100%, we could still make some noise. Start OG at PF and tinker with the lineup. Deuce could provide the bench scoring. Bojan could potentially up his game. But it all really hinges on OG now. Without him, we are basically the Hawks (a .500 team).

    You know who probably does deserve a little blame, though? I hate to say it (and I’ve been biting my tongue for months) but Julius Randle does. It was a high-risk leap and a legitimately reckless attempt to throw down a thunderous dunk on a semi-not-really-fast break. Hi-IQ superstars over age 25 usually know not to take those kinds of risks with their body in the regular season.

    This is a lose-lose situation for me… the trolls still think Randle is trash bc they haven’t paid him any attention since he was traded from the Lakers. So me telling them how much this hurts us for the postseason will just net me a bunch of 🤡 comments.

    But seriously: i would have loved to see the January Knicks in the playoffs wreck some shit. At the same time, I believe this is arguably Year One of their first three-to-four-year contender window. Let’s draft a good bench pg or combo guard and a bench wing in June and for once I can truly #waittilnextyear

    Like I said during the game thread on Tuesday they should’ve injured a Heat player

    A lot of blame can be placed here including the coach leaving him in up 17 with 4:27 against a dirty team. I’m not sure Thibs is getting that extension this off season.

    4:27 is a long fucking time in a professional basketball game

    2 minutes up 17, different story

    But I would like Mitch to accidentally break Bam’s ankle if we play them in the post-season

    A Brunson-Deuce-DDV-OG-iHart lineup still sounds like no fun to play and a lot of fun to watch, even if the best-case scenarios are all out the window. Of course, it’s anyone’s guess if we’ll even have OG back.

    We’re going to be guessing about his status all summer. This is such a disrespectful way to treat your fans.

    I think this is pretty standard fare for reporting on this kind of injury. It’s anyone’s guess how he responds to major surgery.

    Randle had no business being on the court up 17 with posession and only 4 minutes left.

    Without exaggeration, I don’t think there’s a single coach in the NBA that would’ve done a full emptying of the bench in this situation. Shit happened.

    Yeah up 17 with 4:27 left is not insurmountable in today’s NBA. That’s 6 possessions. Most likely they could not come back but it’s still enough time to not make it impossible. 17 with 3 minutes left would have been a different story.

    I don’t think you can put this on Thibs and I definitely agree with the arguments overall that he plays certain dudes too much. Hubs, I think you’ve convinced me that it isn’t the minutes, per say, but the situations where he doesn’t let the bench play long enough or go to end of bench guys when he should or will play dudes too much in back to backs, etc.

    Maybe he’s learned his lesson though. This is now the second time a great team of his has been derailed bc of a major injury to one of his stars.

    Four minutes is a lot of time in an NBA game and they weren’t even up 20. If it were 2 min it’d be different.

    Sucks that Randle might miss time at the beginning of next year, but who really cares about the beginning of the season?

    I don’t think this helps Thibs amongst players and can certainly be something used against the Knicks when they try to add players in Free Agency with him as the coach. Another thing is the major talk shows will put him down as the # 1 culprit which certainly doesn’t help his reputation.

    This is a lose-lose situation for me… the trolls still think Randle is trash bc they haven’t paid him any attention since he was traded from the Lakers. So me telling them how much this hurts us for the postseason will just net me a bunch of 🤡 comments.

    We’ll just have to run the table anyway, c’mon OG we need you!!

    The basketball Gods must hate us. We had a glimpse of a great team and then it all went down the drain. 🙁
    I don’t think Thibs has any to do with Randle getting injured, it happens and you can’t control it. Please give me a list of teams winning by 17 with 4 minutes left that decided to take out starters because the game was won. I’d really like to see that list.
    So the dream about the Knicks doing something great (ECF? Finals?) is gone, but i’d really like to have OG back and try to win a round. Last time the Knicks went to at least the 2nd round in 2 consecutive seasons was in 2000. Finals in 1999 and ECF in 2000… those were the times! Going to the 2nd round in consecutive seasons shows consistency, which is good and i’d like that very much. I’m not giving up on the season, we just need to adjust our goals/expectation.

    At least we have clarity with Randle now. I still say even if OG doesn’t return Knicks can beat Orlando and Indiana. With OG the only teams they can’t beat are obviously Boston and I’ll still say Milwaukee.

    I’ll still be rooting like crazy hoping they win their 1st rd series, nothing beats the excitement of playoffs basketball so let’s hope we get Knick games into May.

    That’s awful but not unexpected, nor is anyone to blame. I did lots of research on torn labrums because my kid had a mild tear and we had to weigh the options. As I have been saying all along, dislocations of the shoulder almost always involve a torn labrum, and often damage to surrounding tendons/ligaments in rotator cuff. If the latter only involves grade 1 or 2 partial tears, that can be rehabbed. But the labrum is essentially cartilage connected to bone and a tear will not heal on its own. Since it is the cup in which the ball of the humerus sits, if it has “minor” damage, you can rehab the surrounding structures to minimize (but not eliminate) the chance of re-injury. So my guess is that it was in the gray area, probably more towards the surgical end of the gray area. Julius was told that there was maybe a 10-20% chance that he could get by with rehab, and that even if he had surgery immediately he’d be out for the season anyway, so he didn’t have much to lose by trying. He tried and at this point he hit a wall, and if he came back, he’d be at too much risk of a second dislocation, which would possibly lead to permanent damage that could not be addressed by surgery.

    There are two silver linings here. First, that his initial injury was not severe enough to result in immediate surgery suggests that it’s a pretty straightforward repair with minimal chance of recurrence, and second, I believe I read somewhere that a strongly rehabbed shoulder joint both lessens the recovery time and improves the long-term prognosis. I don’t think he should be at any statistically significant greater risk of injury post-op than he was before.

    Now if he were a pitcher, quarterback, or volleyball hitter, or even if it were his left shoulder, there would be a likelihood that his arm strength would never come back to 100%. Since it’s his off arm and he’s not playing one of those high-velocity sports, he should be pretty close to 100% by opening day 2024-2025, maybe even by training camp.

    In my daughter’s case, she opted to play through it because she only had 2 very short college volleyball seasons left and surgery might have effectively ended her career as a hitter. She didn’t have a dislocation and was not at risk of one, but she was continually in pain while playing and for the day or two afterwards. Now that she’s done, it still bothers her when she does CrossFit overhead stuff, but not enough to consider surgery. BTW for anyone here who does XFit, she made the quarterfinals of this year’s CrossFit games!

    Knicks made it to the 2nd rd of the playoffs 9 straight seasons from 1992-2000!

    Randle has been terrible in the playoffs, but he is the only other person on this roster who is a consistent go to scoring option outside of Brunson. Brunson will be triple teamed in the playoffs.

    The basketball Gods must hate us

    They always have. Never moving up in the lottery is the most glaring example.

    Well, another year will go by when we can’t really evaluate E’s theories on playoff Randle, and by extension, playoff Thibs. I would suspect that E will react with something like, “Hey, losing Randle is actually a gift, and it frees up Thibs to coach without catering to his prehistoric choke-artist game, so if we don’t actually improve in the playoffs, that’s even more evidence that Thibs can’t coach in the playoffs.”

    Truly not trying to troll, E, I’m interested to learn if that’s how you feel…

    Randle has been terrible in the playoffs, but he is the only other person on this roster who is a consistent go to scoring option outside of Brunson. Brunson will be triple teamed in the playoffs.

    I’m not too worried about this. Brunson has become pretty good at passing out of blitzes. What I think this means is that the Knicks will be more subject to shooting fluctuation. If DDV, Deuce and OG are hitting 3s, they will beat the doubles. But if not, we are in for a lot of pain.

    We should have enough shooting to make teams pay if they double JB, I think the big problem would be facing a team that can bother him without doubling (it’s why I don’t want to play Orlando).

    Knicks made it to the 2nd rd of the playoffs 9 straight seasons from 1992-2000!

    I know, i was here for the 90s. 🙂 And that’s exactly why i want to start the 2020s streak. 😉

    You’re now looking at 30 + minutes of Josh Hart refusing to shoot and his defender just gliding in space as a help defender.

    Maybe he’s learned his lesson though.

    Good news is we get to find out now! We have 6 games in the next 9 days, including two sets of back-to-backs.

    Feel horrible for Randle, hope this at least means he’ll be back 100% for opening night next season.

    This is the thing. Yes, I suspect Julius *really wanted to return for the playoffs, but that’s why there are doctors who go to school and, well, learn stuff.

    I want ALL Knicks to rehab fully for 2024-25. We are not winning it this year. Don’t mess with next.

    Also Bojan was brought here presumably to be Randle insurance. Let’s do everything we can to get this guy going. Play him with the starters tonight. If OG comes back and Bojan starts playing like he’s played for the previous 7 years, we have a strong starting lineup and a very good bench with Deuce, Hart, and Mitch.

    Seeing a lot of consternation about Randle, but I’m completely unsurprised. I’ve been expecting this outcome for months, and the worst part is that we can now probably expect him to start next season in a similar fashion to this one, if he’s even available to play.

    At this point I am actively hoping OG misses these playoffs as well, in case it moves the needle on reducing his astronomical price tag.

    Not excited for this offseason because we’re losing iHart, who has been arguably our second most valuable player this season and IMO has clearly surpassed Mitch.

    Even the fabled “star trade” we’re allegedly going to engineer with our shitty package of mid-late first rounders is going to have its impact blunted because we’ll be offsetting the loss of a durable 3BPM big man who’s smart on offense and elite on defense.

    I still think this was the likely peak of our overall team quality for the Brunson era (defined as the span before Brunson gets a supermax and all roster flexibility disappears). We could have really had something here.

    This is definitely an opportunity to re-think Bojan’s role in the rotation. In any case, we’re kinda back to where we started the season with size issues, maybe even worse. Size-wise, we replaced Julius, RJ, Grimes, and IQ with OG, Precious, DDV, Bojan, Burks. I don’t really see a net “effective” size gain there.

    Given what has happened, I am actually very happy for this outcome. The fact that Julius was having ” good days and bad days” rehabbing recently convinced me the risk of him coming back below par resulting in a let me try harder/being even worse/try even harder/risk serious injury cycle was too great. If OG comes back, we can get a good look at what the team needs to really compete in the play-offs. It may be a healthy Randle or it might be something else where a healthy healing Randle is put on the block.

    Edit: sounds like I have a slightly different take than Pags! Hope he is not right!

    We could have really had something here.

    Pags, I’m sure Leon feels the same way you do. And, despite the (apparent) Detroit mistake, I don’t think he is ready to give up on this roster.

    Of course, as mentioned, the Almighty may have still more challenges in store for Knicks fans, foretold by the prophet Malachi. Remember: he is/was the last guy in the first big book, and it was 400 years before humans got another word from heaven, so … who knows. All will be revealed. #Knicks.

    Lol Pags you’re like our own personal eclipse.

    More like a dark cloud that blocks out even the slightest hint of sunshine

    You know what would be very Thibsian, actually?

    Josh Hart can’t play. Bojan starts. He plays well. He averages 40 minutes/ game for next 9 days, gets injured for the playoffs.

    Sorry this stuff writes itself.

    BE, beyond “good days/bad days, there was the specter of a rusty, hurting Julius coming back, trying to do way too much, tainting the vibe, and sabotaging possible wins. We would definitely be better off with an happy, healthy, effective Julius. But with 7 games to go, that ship had sailed.

    the Detroit trade didn’t work but I’d still rather have Bojan for the next X number of games than an injured Quentin Grimes and Evan Fournier

    sitting here thinking about what to say about the julius situation and what it means short and long term…

    I got nothing…

    I mean it’s not a big surprise…just bummed I guess…

    I’m kind of leaning towards putting bogey in the starting lineup also…

    jalen needs help putting points on the board…

    usually either donte or deuce will have a good game putting up points…we need at least 20 a night somehow from bogey…

    yeah, feel bad for julius…feel bad for the team…definitely bummed…

    It’s hard to get a gauge on Bojan’s personality. He just goes about his business, no expression, maybe a slight hint of annoyance on a non-foul call

    Has anyone seen him interviewed? I’m hoping he sees this Randle news as an opportunity to step up and create some kind of positive legacy with the Knicks

    Hubert, the twitter doctors seem to think Randle should be back somewhere between the start of next season and christmas, so we’d be guessing about his status all summer anyhow

    You know what would be very Thibsian, actually?

    Josh Hart can’t play. Bojan starts. He plays well. He averages 40 minutes/ game for next 9 days, gets injured for the playoffs.

    Sorry this stuff writes itself.

    Now you’re speaking my language!

    I’ve been expecting this outcome for months…

    we can now probably expect him to start next season in a similar fashion to this one…

    At this point I am actively hoping OG misses these playoffs as well…

    Not excited for this offseason because…

    I still think this was the likely peak .

    You don’t say.

    the Detroit trade didn’t work but I’d still rather have Bojan for the next X number of games than an injured Quentin Grimes and Evan Fournier

    Agree short term, but question remains: Is Bojan basically Evan Fournier? And would Grimes have been useful to us next year? IDK those answers, really, but the smart guys here (inc. you) prolly do.

    And, yeah, +1 to starting Bojan. Let’s see what he’s got.

    From Woj:

    “Randle, who has been out since dislocating his shoulder on Jan. 27, had been relentlessly rehabilitating to resume playing prior to the Eastern Conference playoffs. Doctors warned him recently that continued instability in the shoulder made it unsafe for him to play again this season, sources told ESPN.

    He had done everything possible to avoid surgery and return for the playoffs. However, the procedure became an increasing inevitability after recent visits to two specialists who warned of further injury and possible permanent damage to the shoulder if he returned to play before a surgical procedure, sources said.”

    I am not blaming Thibs, but I guess that Bojan isn’t one of “his guys”, and I also guess that Bojan responds to that by not giving a fuck. I’d like to see Thibs manage the ego a little better and see what happens.

    … relentlessly rehabilitating to resume playing … (despite) … two specialists who warned of further injury and possible permanent damage to the shoulder if he returned …

    Um, maybe this one aspect of the “new” Knicks culture is a mistake …?

    You don’t say.

    I do say. If I’m wrong about any of the above, feel free to make an argument as to why. My suspicion that Randle will be hampered for the start of next season has already proven too optimistic, DRed tells us he may be out until 2025.

    Truly not trying to troll, E, I’m interested to learn if that’s how you feel…

    I’m nowhere near smart enough to 4-D chess my way to what you came up with for me, but what I will say is this:

    There are some people in life who always seem to have drama following them around, and Tom Thibodeau is one of them.

    If we define the project he’s responsible for as “getting a team through a regular season healthy and primed for the playoffs in tip-top form at or near their potential, and running on all cylinders, and then through the playoffs in roughly that form,” it just never seems to happen for him. If it’s not this, it’s that; if it’s not one thing, it’s another thing.

    And now it didn’t happen again.

    Of course, as mentioned, the Almighty may have still more challenges in store for Knicks fans, foretold by the prophet Malachi. Remember: he is/was the last guy in the first big book, and it was 400 years before humans got another word from heaven, so … who knows. All will be revealed. #Knicks.

    Malachi’s 50-ball after we exiled him to NBA Siberia for Alec Bricks definitely feels like a prophetic omen. Given we have the worst offense in the NBA with Brunson out, I have to think he could have helped! Why didn’t we give that guy more of a shot?

    There are some people in life who always seem to have drama following them around

    Lol says E of all people, God bless.

    I kind of agree with Hubie that starting Bojan is probably the way to go? I can’t see Thibs doing it, but it would space the floor and even out the rotation nicely.

    Also, maybe it’s because I’m still in shock, but it’s not like Randle was a player with no weaknesses… Maybe we’re better off with a tougher defender at the 4 (OG/Precious)? Or a better shooter (Bojan)? Obviously it will be hard to replace Randle’s gravity, but hopefully we can find some alternatives.


    E se Pistonin t’invola Malachino

    Ridi, Pagliaccio, e ognun applaudirà

    Tramuta in lazzi lo spasmo ed il pianto

    In una smorfia il singhiozzo e il dolor, ah

    Ridi, Pagliaccio, sul tuo amore infranto

    Ridi del duol che t’avvelena il cor

    E se Pistonin t’invola Malachino

    Ridi, Pagliaccio, e ognun applaudirà

    Tramuta in lazzi lo spasmo ed il pianto

    In una smorfia il singhiozzo e il dolor, ah

    Ridi, Pagliaccio, sul tuo amore infranto

    Ridi del duol che t’avvelena il cor

    Bellissimo! Italiano sei?

    Bellissimo! Italiano sei?

    Haha. No, purtroppo. Parlo soltanto “copy and paste.” 😉

    OK, everyone. Get the dark thoughts out in this thread. But after that buck the fuck up. We can still make some noise. Winners don’t go around saying “oh whoa is me.” We’re not the first team to lose a key player for the playoffs and we won’t be the last. There’s nothing “knicksian” about it. It’s part of the game. Lebron face the warriors in their first finals without Kevin Love or Irving and still gave them a series.

    The players available aren’t taking this attitude, so why should we?

    This has no bearing on iHart or OG’s contract next season. Randle missing the beginning of next season isn’t a huge deal if he come back healthy. The team has plenty of picks and a good cap sheet. Let’s not feel too sorry for ourselves. None of this shit is supposed to be easy.

    Sign me up for the consolidation trade.

    I don’t buy into the idea that Donovan Mitchell is some sort of defensive death knell. If DDV can play in the backcourt with Brunson then so can Mitchell.

    Let opposing defenses try to deal with a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt backed by the defensive oriented players we already have in the fold. Push the chips in. YOLO.

    Lebron face the warriors in their first finals without Kevin Love or Irving and still gave them a series.

    I had completely forgotten about that. Fucking LeBron, man. And they give him shit for NBA finals record.

    Winners don’t go around saying “oh whoa is me.” We’re not the first team to lose a key player for the playoffs and we won’t be the last. There’s nothing “knicksian” about it. It’s part of the game.

    But we’re not winners… we’re Knicks fans. Winning is a strange and foreign experience to us.
    It’s common to lose a key player for the playoffs, but the Knicksy part is this happening with our one great team in the last 30 years. To our most durable player. Against our most hated rival. And then being made to twist in the wind about it before the shoe drops. With significant spillover effects into next season.

    Lebron face the warriors in their first finals without Kevin Love or Irving and still gave them a series.

    Ok but we don’t have LeBron, a top 3 player of all time.

    The players available aren’t taking this attitude, so why should we?

    Are they not? You saw Hart’s quote the other day. Our team is tired and burning out, and the news that the much awaited cavalry isn’t coming has to be highly demoralizing.

    The team has plenty of picks and a good cap sheet.

    Our picks are shitty and our cap situation isn’t good enough to retain iHart. Most likely we will have a weaker team next year coupled with internal development from Orlando/Indiana/Cleveland and better health in Philly. This was our window.

    I absolutely promise that I for one will not go around saying “whoa is me.” 🙂

    I’m trying to figure out if it’s the sudden influx of speaking Italian for some reason or the fact that I posted something that broke the site again. I don’t want to give myself any undue credit, so it’s got to be the Italian.

    E se Pistonin t’invola Malachino

    Ridi, Pagliaccio, e ognun applaudirà

    Tramuta in lazzi lo spasmo ed il pianto

    In una smorfia il singhiozzo e il dolor, ah

    Ridi, Pagliaccio, sul tuo amore infranto

    Ridi del duol che t’avvelena il cor

    Fantastico KBA! 😀

    Does anyone read the Knicks Film School chat on Patreon?

    A guy (not me! 🙂 ) just commented on Rokas after watching him play today against Maccabi in EL… and he made Pagliacci look like the king of the optimists! 😀

    I absolutely promise that I for one will not go around saying “whoa is me.” 🙂

    The polite way of engaging with that comment, swift, is to not that the phrase should not be “whoa is me” but “woe is me,” as in, “woe to those who point out the splinter in someone else’s eye while ignoring the plank in their own.”

    I don’t know if Bojan starting with Hart and DDV works, but when OG can play, it seems ideal that he’d start then. Enough defense, lots of shooting to open the floor for Brunson.

    Edit: I’ve loved that DDV’s sweet spot of above the break and OG is great from the corners. Add Bojan and those are some killer options.

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