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  • Ex-Knick Cam Reddish fitting in with Lakers – Posting and Toasting
    [Posting and Toasting] — Sunday, November 5, 2023 7:00:00 AM

    Ex-Knick Cam Reddish fitting in with Lakers  Posting and Toasting

  • New York hosts Los Angeles following Brunson’s 45-point game – WABC-TV
    [WABC-TV] — Sunday, November 5, 2023 1:10:15 AM

    New York hosts Los Angeles following Brunson’s 45-point game  WABC-TV

  • Key Cavs Rotation Piece Listed As Questionable Vs. Warriors – Sports Illustrated
    [Sports Illustrated] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 10:19:34 PM

    Key Cavs Rotation Piece Listed As Questionable Vs. Warriors  Sports Illustrated

  • Tom Thibodeau sounds like he’s out of excuses for Julius Randle’s Knicks slump – New York Post
    [New York Post ] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 8:59:00 PM

    Tom Thibodeau sounds like he’s out of excuses for Julius Randle’s Knicks slump  New York Post New York Knicks’ Julius Randle draws ire for lazy defense  Sports IllustratedKnicks Notes: Fournier, Barrett, Randle, Mitchell  hoopsrumors.com

  • Knicks’ Evan Fournier staying upbeat despite remaining out of rotation: ‘Not up to me’ – New York Post
    [New York Post ] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 7:24:00 PM

    Knicks’ Evan Fournier staying upbeat despite remaining out of rotation: ‘Not up to me’  New York Post

  • Panic or Patience? Analyzing New York Knicks’ Early Problems – Sports Illustrated
    [Sports Illustrated] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 5:30:15 PM

    Panic or Patience? Analyzing New York Knicks’ Early Problems  Sports Illustrated

  • Hall of Famer tabs young star as Knicks’ most realistic trade option – Daily Knicks
    [Daily Knicks] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 5:00:20 PM

    Hall of Famer tabs young star as Knicks’ most realistic trade option  Daily Knicks

  • Mitchell Robinson Trainer Rips New York Knicks’ ‘Me, Me Ball!’ – Sports Illustrated
    [Sports Illustrated] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 2:40:33 PM

    Mitchell Robinson Trainer Rips New York Knicks’ ‘Me, Me Ball!’  Sports Illustrated

  • Prime Time Grimes: JJ Redick Lauds Knicks’ Youngster – Sports Illustrated
    [Sports Illustrated] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 12:00:00 PM

    Prime Time Grimes: JJ Redick Lauds Knicks’ Youngster  Sports Illustrated

  • Who Wore It Best? Knicks #3 – Posting and Toasting
    [Posting and Toasting] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 12:00:00 PM

    Who Wore It Best? Knicks #3  Posting and Toasting

  • NBA Player Participation Policy explained – Daily Knicks
    [Daily Knicks] — Saturday, November 4, 2023 10:00:56 AM

    NBA Player Participation Policy explained  Daily Knicks

  • 50 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.11.05)”

    7 games in and Thibs already has a potential mini litmus test especially if RJ is ruled out. My own view is that he needs to give Julius a long leash and absorb whatever pain that involves. Marginalising Julius however well deserved is highly unlikely to make him play better. And this team’s progress depend on him playing better, not less.

    And this team’s progress depend on him playing better, not less.

    This teams progress depends on our willingness and ability to trade Randle even if it means taking a small step backwards in the short term to be better positioned with a longer window long term.

    The fact that Mitch, Randle, and RJ don’t fit together is never going away even if we have peak Randle. That has to be broken up.

    Mitch has become too good an anchor to move unless he’s part of a franchise changing trade.

    I’ve been equally frustrated by Randle and RJ over the last couple of years and kept going back and forth about which one should be moved. Maybe the ultimate answer will be both, but right now I think it’s pretty clear we should move Randle and keep RJ and whatever upside he has. We are going nowhere with Randle. There’s still hope for RJ.

    Cam has a .394 TS%, is averaging 5 rebounds per 36, has a 4.3 PER, -5.5 BPM and negative WS48. I’m sure he’s providing all sorts of great value that just isn’t captured in those stats though.

    Cam has a .394 TS%, is averaging 5 rebounds per 36, has a 4.3 PER, -5.5 BPM and negative WS48. I’m sure he’s providing all sorts of great value that just isn’t captured in those stats though.

    I guess Randle is only the 2nd worst player in the league

    I was just having a little fun there bc of that Cam link but wow I see the Lakers are actually starting Cam Reddish… that’s not a very good sign. That and getting drubbed by Orlando.

    Meanwhile I don’t advise looking at Jalen Johnson’s stat line for the season

    If anyone is curious, Johnson’s 3p% is currently higher than Cam’s TS%. I maintain that Cam was the true incineration.

    21, 11, and 4 on high efficiency while playing good defense at age 21. Is that good?

    I maintain that Cam was the true incineration.

    The Charlotte pick is one year away from converting to two seconds.

    Trading Jalen Johnson for two seconds is probably not as bad as trading two seconds for Cam Reddish, but it’s pretty bad.

    Charlotte isn’t that bad. Mark Williams has been a huge difference maker on defense and Brandon Miller has put up solid numbers for a rookie so far.

    okay then…so we have three home games this week…the clippers on monday, spurs on wodon’s day and then charlotte on sunday…

    charlotte will be the first sub .500 team we play, early yeah – but some teams play better at certain times of the season than other teams…

    i wanna know – are we gonna win this week?!?!

    listen man – i ain’t no donnie…but i damn sure have become a fair weather fan…

    i love y’all no matter what 🙂

    i watched a few bad years just to stay in the know…all i can say is thank god for frank ntilikina and his big dreamy eyes…that was about the highlight for a couple of seasons – never again…never again…

    honestly, my biggest hope for the year was that we would build a home court advantage…my hopes have begun to diminish somewhat…yes already…we’ve played some decnet teams, but we’ve looked really really bad at times…julius is just the worst right now – love you ju

    yeah, that’s joe up there from last.fm sessions…not the best sounding version, but something about watching family do music together makes me smile…

    love the fact you can “trick” your body in to feeling happy just by laughing and smiling…

    this could really be a tough week for some of the men in unis…hopefully the crowd don’t eat them alive…if so – hopefully they respond as best they can…

    to end on a musical high note: The Core…sticking with the live stuff with miss marcy and the whole band absolutely destroying it…

    good song to test out your bass…

    hey what happened to queen’s boy (up in canada)?

    are things going to get better or worse this upcoming week (assuming the week begins monday)?

    one final crazy question, and then i’ll go walk the dog and say hi to the goats…i’m starting to find the pigs more engaging these days, they’re just always on some kind of mission, like – you ain’t got nuttin for me, later…sheep look much much better now that they are sheared…

    anyways, i hope your day is well JK, just wondering, i know you have a whole process and stuff for your work – i was wondering though – how long does it take you to prep for such a professional type encounter?

    Trading Jalen Johnson for two seconds is probably not as bad as trading two seconds for Cam Reddish, but it’s pretty bad.

    Someone can double check because I’m too swamped with racing work to check now, but I think we got a 2nd back in that deal. If it wasn’t that one, it was one of the others.

    geosays:
    November 5, 2023 at 14:18
    whatcha doing doogie?

    Watching NFL Red Zone…….my fantasy team is winning currently winning by a score of 94.42-34.10 and is projected to win 142.70-100.07…….and avoiding going through the mail, paying bills and weeding and raking. Typical Sunday.

    Dumping Sam Howell for C.J. Stroud turned out to be a lucrative move.

    anyways, i hope your day is well JK, just wondering, i know you have a whole process and stuff for your work – i was wondering though – how long does it take you to prep for such a professional type encounter?

    Most of the songwriting collabs I have been doing lately don’t require that much prep, because we’re trying to write together in the room, in spontaneous fashion. Often I’ll make a Spotify playlist of ideas that are useful for reference, and we’ll use the playlist for ideas and inspiration.

    For these sessions this week we have already done preproduction and written a bunch of material, and we’ve already established the style and palette we’re going for. Cruz is ready a bit of a celebrity in the UK and is going to have a lot of eyeballs on him when his record comes out, so we’re trying to subvert expectations a bit and make something cool.

    Never mind Wemby, how brutally efficient has Chet Holmgren been so far? His stats look like a typo:

    2pt%: .667
    3pt%: .565
    FT%: .870
    eFG%: .741
    TS%: .779
    BPM: 6.3

    Marcus Sasser off to a nice start among the group available with the Hartcinerated pick.

    you doing any kind of food stuff today doogie?

    tried this bison steak, damn it was chewy, took like 4 forkfuls, the last 3 just to make sure…may cut it up in stick it some chili…

    trying some ground venison in some soup now…we’ll see…

    andrew zimmerman has this game cooking show on that i keep watching…

    it’s cool, busy around the house doing stuff most rhe day…eating a lot less now, so spending more time involved in preparing the meals i do eat…

    i’m getting a lot of my sugars now from fruit 🙂 freaking had to give up the cold (in a glass bottle) organic WHOLE milk i have loved soooo much my WHOLE life…

    cold milk, cheese, grapes/strawberries/bananas/peaches/pears/apples are all my candy store now…

    i’m even getting my chocolate Punch Edibles (👊 🍫) in sugar free…

    right now though, got the boys over, 12 and 10…yeah, i’m an old dad for 12 and 10…

    i’ve had the Aja cd in my car for well over a year…it helps to anchor me and stay calm…the kids made me change it though, we spend some hours in the car going back in forth with their mom’s place…

    they started coming up with their own lyrics to black cow and the rest, they can sing loud…fucked it up for me…

    fought back with hootie and the blowfish’s greatest hits on the trip to the house…

    they were so subdued, it was beautiful 😍

    now i’m gonna go study jk’s words…

    I really don’t know what “doing food stuff” means, at least not in terms of being at home. I guess I do food stuff when I go out on dates, which is fairly often.

    this week we have already done preproduction and written a bunch of material, and we’ve already established the style and palette we’re going for.

    i know it’s work, that does sound pretty cool though…enjoy…

    Chet is vindicating my faith in him. Silly numbers. Not sure how his defense is though.

    After getting blocked by Wemby on a 3 to end the half, Schroder just did the reverse Jordan shrug. As in, he shrugged to signify there was nothing he could do. I respect it.

    Hey Geo, healthy as a takhi, thanks for asking. Not quite sure how that happened, as many friends and colleagues seem to be Coviding out without doing anything as stupid as air travel. I did find a happy little tick buried in the back of my knee, but so far I’ve not succumbed to any of the 12 tick-related diseases currently known to occur in the US. Still early, though.

    I would still take Wemby over Chet because he seems more likely to be able to be a bona fide number 1 option (it’s close and I might change my mind), but Chet seems like an absolutely ideal 1A to SGA and I’m pretty sure him not being picked #1 overall is going to be an embarrassment for Orlando.

    If I’m drafting franchises right now, OKC is only behind the clearest cut present contenders.

    Also, absolute shocker that the incineration is looking every bit the idiotic piece of business we all immediately knew it was. Turns out that there being “no room” on the roster for someone like Jalen Johnson in 2021 was not something destined to last forever. Here we are in 2023, longing for an alternative option at the 4…

    to end on a musical high note: The Core… sticking with the live stuff with miss marcy and the whole band absolutely destroying it…

    ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

    the idiotic piece of business we all immediately knew it was

    All? I bet that idiotic move still has at least two defenders even today.

    Maybe still not as idiotic as what the Cowboys had to just do to manage to lose to the Eagles. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    It makes me happy that Skip Bayless is so sad right now.

    “Also, absolute shocker that the incineration is looking every bit the idiotic piece of business we all immediately knew it was. Turns out that there being “no room” on the roster for someone like Jalen Johnson in 2021 was not something destined to last forever. Here we are in 2023, longing for an alternative option at the 4…”

    CHERRY-PICKING ALERT!!!!

    As a reminder, djphan wanted Josh Christopher who has since been traded and waived.

    Other players people wanted:

    – Keon Johnson (waived)
    – Springer (126 total NBA minutes)
    – Sharife Cooper (waived x3)
    – Bones Hyland (traded below incineration value)

    Who was one of the people who picked Jalen Johnson, full stop and no hedging with 2-3 other players tagged on? Early Bird!!

    I believe I wanted Johnson, but I still don’t think they pretty well without taking him.

    To me it’s not really a question of which Knickerblogger wanted which guy with the incinerated pick. It’s the whole approach Leon has towards the draft that I find frustrating.

    He seems to think that it’s too difficult to properly identify the good players in the draft, so the risk averse thing to do is punt the picks and try to use them in trades for more sure things, AKA veterans. I hate this approach. I vocally called it out at the time.

    Jalen Johnson was one of the guys I liked, not because I’m some basketball scouting guru, but because it seemed obvious he was a good risk/reward kind of pick. You miss out on guys like that when you’re afraid to make picks. Smart teams don’t operate this way.

    Jalen Johnson was one of the guys I liked, not because I’m some basketball scouting guru, but because it seemed obvious he was a good risk/reward kind of pick.

    But so do all the other guys, that’s why they get drafted. A lot of those guys turn out to be worth less than an incinerated pick.

    We don’t get to look at the field in hindsight and ask why we didn’t draft the success stories while we ignore the failures.

    (BTW, you had actually said Cam Thomas or Sharife Cooper with an honorable mention to Keon Johnson and Isaiah Jackson. The other 3 are just barely keeping their foot in the door if the NBA, but Cam looks pretty damn good so far this year.)

    Again, you’re missing the point entirely, which is: you can’t win if you don’t play. You’ll never find the gem late in the first round if you just trade the pick away every time.

    The return we’re getting for punting these picks seems pretty meager. I just don’t like the strategy at all.

    As a reminder, djphan wanted Josh Christopher who has since been traded and waived.

    Other players people wanted:

    – Keon Johnson (waived)
    – Springer (126 total NBA minutes)
    – Sharife Cooper (waived x3)
    – Bones Hyland (traded below incineration value)

    Who was one of the people who picked Jalen Johnson, full stop and no hedging with 2-3 other players tagged on? Early Bird!!

    Bullshit. You’re purposefully conflating who people wanted at 21 with 19.

    We don’t get to look at the field in hindsight and ask why we didn’t draft the success stories while we ignore the failures.

    Yes, actually, we do. Especially when the success story was the highest rated prospect available.

    I don’t know how many of you will read this, because it’s the end of the thread and a new one is coming soon, but here it goes.
    We entered the draft with picks 19, 21, 32 and 58.
    We traded 19 for a future protected pick from Charlotte, that will probably be two 2nds, so it was a disaster trade. We then tried to save face, probably when acknowledging that the protected pick was a bad move, by using it to trade for Cam Reddish. He played only 35 games and was another disaster trade. Then we used him to get half a season of Josh Hart, which worked out beautifully. I just don’t think Blazers wanted Cam, it was the 2023 pick that they wanted, so i’d say the 19th pick was indeed an incineration and a bad idea from the start.
    But we entered the draft with 4 picks and come away with 4 players – Grimes, Deuce, Sims and Rokas – so to evaluate Leon we have to compare what we would’ve selected with the picks, to these 4 players.
    To evaluate Leon for the 19th pick disaster only is not the way. Another look at that draft was, i’m hoping with 2 firsts we get at least one good rotation player, and that’s what Leon did. So i don’t know why we keep discussing only the 19th pick from that draft.

    Cyber, thoughtful post but I believe you are assuming some causal relationship between the trading of the 19th pick and having the 25th pick. On balance I think that is true, but I can see the argument that it is not. And if it is not, an analogy would be the 2018 draft with Knox and Mitch. Overall, not a disastrous result but isolating the disastrous Knox pick is perfectly valid.

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