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Knicks Morning News (2023.10.02)

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  • Mark Jackson moving toward Knicks broadcast role after ESPN – New York Post
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    Mark Jackson moving toward Knicks broadcast role after ESPN  New York Post

  • Katz: Knicks have been patient and are betting on themselves this season – The Athletic
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    Katz: Knicks have been patient and are betting on themselves this season  The Athletic

  • Knicks Trade For 76ers Star James Harden In Blockbuster Proposal – NBA Analysis Network
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    Knicks Trade For 76ers Star James Harden In Blockbuster Proposal  NBA Analysis Network

  • Finally! New York Liberty Block Out Connecticut Sun, Advance to … – Sports Illustrated
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    Finally! New York Liberty Block Out Connecticut Sun, Advance to …  Sports Illustrated

  • Is Carmelo Anthony from Puerto Rico? Looking at Knicks legend’s ethnicity and cultural roots – Sportskeeda
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    Is Carmelo Anthony from Puerto Rico? Looking at Knicks legend’s ethnicity and cultural roots  Sportskeeda

  • Knicks to hold Media Day to start training camp on October 2 – Posting and Toasting
    [news.google.com] — Sunday, October 1, 2023 5:07:30 PM

    Knicks to hold Media Day to start training camp on October 2  Posting and Toasting

  • New York Knicks’ full 2023-24 training camp roster – Daily Knicks
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    New York Knicks’ full 2023-24 training camp roster  Daily Knicks

  • Bulls Trade For Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson In Bold Proposal – NBA Analysis Network
    [news.google.com] — Sunday, October 1, 2023 4:59:09 PM

    Bulls Trade For Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson In Bold Proposal  NBA Analysis Network

  • As Knicks, Nets stand pat, Celtics and Bucks make major moves – NJ.com
    [news.google.com] — Sunday, October 1, 2023 4:49:00 PM

    As Knicks, Nets stand pat, Celtics and Bucks make major moves  NJ.com

  • Knicks Trade For Timberwolves’ Karl-Anthony Towns In New Blockbuster Proposal – NBA Analysis Network
    [news.google.com] — Sunday, October 1, 2023 3:16:15 PM

    Knicks Trade For Timberwolves’ Karl-Anthony Towns In New Blockbuster Proposal  NBA Analysis Network

  • Which Knicks players have played for the Bulls and Heat? NBA Immaculate Grid answers for October 1 – Sportskeeda
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    Which Knicks players have played for the Bulls and Heat? NBA Immaculate Grid answers for October 1  Sportskeeda

  • Knicks miss out on Jrue Holiday as rival makes blockbuster deal – Empire Sports Media
    [news.google.com] — Sunday, October 1, 2023 1:29:03 PM

    Knicks miss out on Jrue Holiday as rival makes blockbuster deal  Empire Sports Media

  • 2023 NBA Draft Team Recap: New York Knicks – NBA Draft Digest … – Sports Illustrated
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    2023 NBA Draft Team Recap: New York Knicks – NBA Draft Digest …  Sports Illustrated

  • New York Knicks: RJ Barrett the Key to Success? – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Sunday, October 1, 2023 12:36:57 PM

    New York Knicks: RJ Barrett the Key to Success?  Sports Illustrated

  • Jrue Holiday trade: Celtics beat Knicks to deal for All-Star guard – New York Daily News
    [news.google.com] — Sunday, October 1, 2023 12:22:23 PM

    Jrue Holiday trade: Celtics beat Knicks to deal for All-Star guard  New York Daily News

  • Do the Knicks have their sights set on 76ers superstar? – Empire Sports Media
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    Do the Knicks have their sights set on 76ers superstar?  Empire Sports Media

  • 55 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.10.02)”

    Oh, god. We’re many hours into media day, and KB only just came back online. Important storylines, stat!

    1)Julius buzzed his hair down to the scalp. No more braids or dreads for a while.

    2)Andrew Marchand says Mark Jackson will be filling in for Clyde on some MSG broadcasts. This feels like we all wished on a monkey’s paw for anyone other than Wally to be set up as Clyde’s eventual successor. If they won’t give Van Gundy the job, then just have Alan Hahn do it! Why is this so hard?

    3)Asked about Fournier being unhappy with his status, Thibs said, “I have great respect for him. …It’s hard to argue with a 37-22 record [after Fournier was removed from the starting lineup] and a plus net rating.” Way harsh, Tai.

    Non-Knicks stuff:

    1)Harden didn’t show up to Sixers media day in Philly. We’ll see if he comes to Colorado for the proper start of training camp.

    2)Jimmy Butler showed up today with incredible hair.

    3)David Griffin on Zion hiring independent people to help him take care of his body: “This is the first summer Zion has taken his profession seriously in that regard”

    4)Scottie Barnes on last season as a Raptor: “It’s so draining. Sometimes it felt like every man for himself out there.”

    We are back! Very ugly out of service sign on the Knickerblogger gate today. Almost as bad as the energy in Toronto.

    Very interesting headline about Zion. He hasn’t taken his career seriously? Shocked.

    I didn’t have time to weigh in yesterday but all I really have to say is that I hope it ends in glorious failure for the Celtics. They look tough though.

    I guess the other comment is that the Trailblazers have been able to make a somewhat miraculous meal from Damian Lillard. They are in far better shape than I ever would have imagined.

    Oh, and fuck Mark Jackson. As you say, Alan Hahn would be a lot better. He isn’t Clyde, he isn’t really amazing. But he is not Mark Jackson.

    Oh, and someone explain Jimmy’s hair. I don’t get it.

    “3)Asked about Fournier being unhappy with his status, Thibs said, “I have great respect for him. …It’s hard to argue with a 37-22 record [after Fournier was removed from the starting lineup] and a plus net rating.” Way harsh, Tai.”

    Who is “Tai”?

    yeah man, jimmy got style…

    my vote would be for monica to fill in for clyde…

    my hope though is for clyde to keep doing clyde stuff…

    evian got boiled…nice one thibs…

    Damn, I thought I kilt the KnickerBlogger! Anyway, since Owen brought it up, I posted this yesterday:

    Here’s some interesting stats:

    Jrue Holiday has a career playoff shooting percentage of 42% in a season’s worth of minutes (2,651), including shooting under 40% in his 3 seasons with the Bucks…and 40.9% in his championship run. In his last 5 playoff runs (300+ attempts) his 3pt% was .250, .320, .303 (his championship year), .316, and .286. Jrue shot the Bucks out of the playoffs vs. the Celts in the second round in 2021-22…36% from the field, 30% from 3, while Smart shot 41% from the field and 39% from 3. He was terrible against the Heat in the playoffs last year, especially considering how much the Bucks needed him to step up when Giannis was struggling.

    KP had a very good season on a terrible team with absolutely no pressure in a small market with no media and no storied history and no entitled, insufferable fans. He has played a total of 327 playoff minutes. In his first year he got hurt after 3 games. In his second year he played all 7 games and was hardly noticable…13.1 pts, 5.4 rebs, 0.7 blocks in 33mpg, while shooting .296 from 3.

    f*ck fournier…he’s getting 19 million to sit on his derriere…c’est la vie..

    KP was playing great playoff basketball during his first playoff run when he got hurt.

    The 2nd playoff run is the main reason he and Carlisle are both not in Dallas anymore. The Mavs traded away Seth Curry who was an excellent spacer for Doncic to beef up the defense. In the playoffs, Carlisle’s and Cuban’s game plan was to stick KP in the corner and turn him into a lower usage court spacer like Seth Curry. KP did what he was told, but then after the series the entire media blamed KP for not doing enough instead of trashing Carlisle and Cuban for their dimwitted game plan. That was the beginning of the end of that relationship.

    The Celtics are very good, but a lot hinges on KP health because they don’t have much depth, especially at PF/C. My guess is they are going to add a few players before it’s all over.

    2)Jimmy Butler showed up today with incredible hair.

    Is that real?!?!?!

    There’s no point in kvetching about [Embiid’s] injury history or mixed playoff record, we don’t have a choice if he hits the market

    I’m not saying you’re wrong but Dame Lillard was just available for a pittance and all we did was kvetch about his injury history and his salary.

    Joel’s an even bigger injury risk, he’s going to be eligible for a new contract at age 31 under the new TV deal, and he’s far less likely to age well than Dame.

    This is really to say nothing of Embiid, I just think we made a terrible error not capitalizing on the Lillard market. We could have gotten this guy for Brunson and not much else. Instead now we have souped up versions of the Bucks and Celtics and are telling ourselves that we must put all our chips in the Embiid basket to contend.

    I’d rather be sitting here with Dame right now, the same Bucks and Celtics as before, and enough chips to left to trade for Joel or Giannis when they agitate for a trade. (And if we had traded for Dame, they’d probably already be agitating).

    Scottie Barnes on last season as a Raptor: “It’s so draining. Sometimes it felt like every man for himself out there.”

    Masai sounds like a guy who wants to get fired at this point. Why throw Siakam under the bus like that? And Barnes should maybe shutup more and regress less…

    Leon is kind of like the inverse of every past Knick GM. Doesn’t get distracted by the shiny object, doesn’t make the pointlessly aggressive move, but is so risk averse that he’s not really ever in the mix for any of the big fish. I mean, he’s so risk averse he usually won’t even select a player in the draft.

    The end result certainly isn’t terrible, and maybe one day he’ll break the mold and make the big all-in trade for the superstar that you need to have if you want to contend. In the meantime I’m enjoying being something other than a laughing stock.

    @wojespn
    San Antonio Spurs G Devin Vassell has agreed on a five-year, $146 million contract extension, Andrew Morrison, Rich Beda and Mitch Nathan of @CAA_Basketball tell ESPN. Vassell lands rookie scale extension as part of 2020 Draft class and solidifies himself as a Spurs cornerstone.

    Not the biggest miss we made by taking Obi, but still.

    Leon is kind of like the inverse of every past Knick GM. Doesn’t get distracted by the shiny object, doesn’t make the pointlessly aggressive move

    Spot on. Leon went all in on Brunson while folding Mitchel last summer. Him, Ujiri and Riley all folded on Dame and Jrue. He’s in good company. Knows that he will be an importal NY legend if he can get his hands on one more Brunson type value transaction. Btw, he improved his chip stack in July with DDV. Now, its just a waiting game…aka nap time.

    Him, Ujiri and Riley all folded on Dame and Jrue. He’s in good company.

    Riley & Ujiri didn’t fold. They got outbid.

    The two best teams in the East went out and got these guys and you’re acting like they were some toxic assets we needed to avoid.

    “Leon is kind of like the inverse of every past Knick GM. Doesn’t get distracted by the shiny object, doesn’t make the pointlessly aggressive move, but is so risk averse that he’s not really ever in the mix for any of the big fish. I mean, he’s so risk averse he usually won’t even select a player in the draft.

    The end result certainly isn’t terrible, and maybe one day he’ll break the mold and make the big all-in trade for the superstar that you need to have if you want to contend. In the meantime I’m enjoying being something other than a laughing stock.”

    Well if the rumored mega-offer the Knicks made for Spida was what it was, that hardly backs up the contention that he’s risk-averse. Similarly, extending RJ, waiting on Mitch, trading a first rounder for Hart…all of these moves carried substantial risk…just a different kind of risk that the “all-in on a star” type of move carries.

    Last year at this time, some here were convinced that there wasn’t even a plan at all…and have now come to understand that there actually is a plan, and that the plan is actually very risky, with very little margin for error. It’s a plan that could be fatally derailed with one premature “swing for the fences” move. And Leon deserves very little credit for missing out on Spida because his final offer was totally inconsistent with the success of his plan, and only the fact that he was outbid by CLE bailed him out from making an unrecoverable high-risk/low-reward blunder.

    And outbidding MIL or MIA for Dame would have been even worse. Same with outbidding BOS for Jrue. Thank goodness he wasn’t stupid enough to blow a shitload of assets on those guys, who happen to play the same position as the most rootable player we’ve had this millenium.

    Just because you set a limit in a bidding war doesn’t mean that you are risk-averse. In fact, there is substantial risk inherent in not outbidding your competitors. When you let such opportunities pass, whether in trades, free agency, or in the draft, you are taking the risk that a better opportunity to improve the team might not come along. Who knows when the next Lillard-level player might hit the market? Or whether the cost will be even more prohibitive?

    But in spite of “missing out” on those deals, we have a top-8 team with a slew of good to excellent value contracts, a 9-deep rotation of very good players who are all 28yo and under, and a surplus of draft capital. Leon has dramatically exceeded the expectations of nearly everyone who doubted that his commitment to the hybrid approach could get the team to this point in such a short time. That he did so in spite of a bunch of “bad” risks like drafting Obi, trading a first for Reddish, signing Kemba and Fournier, doubling down on Rose, Burks, and Nerlens, is even more impressive.

    I don’t think it’s Embiid or bust.

    I think we have until next season at the trade deadline to make the final move. I think a few players were aren’t thinking about now might ask for a trade by then.

    I think you’re right, Strat. I also think there’s going to be some really good mid-level guys available that could make a big difference, too. Anyone who can play big wing and backup PF would make a great addition, whether he’s an all star or not. I can’t quite come up with one, though. I tried to with Jerami Grant. He’s not the guy, but that’s the mold.

    That he did so in spite of a bunch of “bad” risks like drafting Obi, trading a first for Reddish, signing Kemba and Fournier, doubling down on Rose, Burks, and Nerlens, is even more impressive.

    You’re just taking all of his mistakes and saying that they were “risks.” They weren’t. Rose, Burke and Nerlens were all brought back after the playoff year because those were the lowest risk moves possible. Acquiring “All-Star” Kemba for pennies on the dollar when there was no other PG available was a low risk move. Signing established veteran Fournier to a market rate deal was a low risk move. Drafting Obi was low-risk, as he was an older player and perceived to be more NBA-ready. Even trading the first for Cam Reddish was a low-risk move for Leon, because he can’t stand the uncertainty that is inherent with draft picks.

    Every transaction you make in the NBA has risk attached to it. Leon has had a few tepid, unexciting transactions go south, but that’s not the same thing as taking risks. I’m not knocking the guy for his approach, just observing that he’s very different from what we’re used to around here. This is way better than going all-in on a Melo/Rose/Noah core or trading multiple firsts for Eddy Curry or trying to build around the last basketball gasps of Amar’e Stoudemire. I’ll happily take “risk averse” over all of that horseshit.

    We have absolutely no clue if the Blazers would’ve traded Lillard for “Brunson and not much else,” but since we’re just speculating anyway I am very, very skeptical. That seems very inconsistent with the consensus that they’re building around Scoot.

    The Lillard haul was pretty massive. There’s no way we could’ve traded for him and had bullets left in the chamber for Embiid or whoever else.

    Scoured the rosters of shit teams to see who might fit the bill… think I might have found a pretty good mid-level trade target… Bojan Bogdanovic (currently on Detroit).

    You could build something around Evan and the Detroit pick we own the rights to. We still wouldn’t be a title contender but a guy like that would unlock a lot, I think.

    Noble, the idea is that they would have done with Brunson what they did with Jrue. I’m assuming Jalen Brunson on one of the best contracts in the NBA would net as much, if not more, than what they got for Dame.

    For the record, this is just a “I think I would have done this”, not a “I’m killing Leon for not doing it.”

    I am not killing Leon at all. It would have been crazy for him to make this move. I just think, especially with the hindsight of seeing Boston and Milwaukee pull away, it would have been crazy and it would have worked out.

    I finally read Hollinger’s analysis of the Lillard trade. Overall, it seems reasonable to me and he did posit a Boston trade as one of the likely landing spots for Holiday and came close to predicting the actual terms of the actual trade. I’m wondering about one thing he wrote though. He thinks the Bucks will not be better during the regular season with Dame instead of Holiday and may be a game or two worse. But he thinks that they will be significantly better in the playoffs because they will be much better at scoring in the half court against playoff type defenses. I mean, I agree they will score better in the playoffs, but their defense will be worse too so I’m not sure I buy his argument. What does the hive mind think?

    https://theathletic.com/4908778/2023/09/28/hollinger-damian-lillard-jrue-holiday/

    Noble, the idea is that they would have done with Brunson what they did with Jrue.

    Jrue is one of the most adaptable players in the NBA, hence the nearly 29 team market for him. Brunson might be the better overall player, but far fewer teams are in the market for a ball-dominant point guard. I don’t think this is a safe assumption at all.

    Also, in addition to Jrue the Bucks had to give up an unprotected distant first, two unprotected swaps, and get the Blazers Ayton. Whatever our equivalent package is absolutely takes us out of the running for the next big trade.

    He thinks the Bucks will not be better during the regular season with Dame instead of Holiday and may be a game or two worse. But he thinks that they will be significantly better in the playoffs because they will be much better at scoring in the half court against playoff type defenses. I mean, I agree they will score better in the playoffs, but their defense will be worse too so I’m not sure I buy his argument. What does the hive mind think?

    I said this exact thing a few days ago when Strat mistakenly said offense wasn’t a problem for Milwaukee, so I agree.

    Leon basically hasn’t made the type of move that can get you fired. That’s not to say he hasn’t made moves of consequence, but things like questionable extensions for young players don’t tend to get POBOs canned.

    When I was at my most cynical about him, I thought not getting fired was basically his “strategy.” Putz around for a while and hope you get lucky.

    Now I have considerably more respect for what looks much more like an actual vision, but without a doubt he’s still going to have to put his ass on the line at some point. In the NBA four quarters don’t equal a dollar. You can’t just parlay a bunch of small-to-medium wins into a title.

    I do think Leon knows this, and that’s why I’m pretty sure within the next two seasons a major consolidation trade is happening. The reason I’m hoping the target is Embiid is because there’s probably a 90%+ chance he’s the best player traded for within that timespan, and since this is happening anyway we might as well hope we get the best guy/

    It seems pretty obvious to me that the Bucks will be a way tougher out in the playoffs now that they have a second all-world scoring threat like Dame.

    Dame had a 111 TS+ on stratospheric usage last year, with Jerami Grant and Anfernee Simmons being his two main teammates sharing the scoring load. Now you have to guard him and ALSO deal with Giannis on the inside? That sounds like it’s going to be pretty difficult to deal with.

    I have no idea how the Lillard/Giannis PNR might shake out but the league should be upset that we’re going to find out

    “Scoured the rosters of shit teams to see who might fit the bill”

    Sort of did the same, Hubert, but I was just looking for long wings I’d want on the team. There’re only two that excite me (not too old, too expensive, too mid [sorry Jowles]: Mikal and Franz. Sadly we ain’t getting either one.

    Also, in addition to Jrue the Bucks had to give up an unprotected distant first, two unprotected swaps, and get the Blazers Ayton. Whatever our equivalent package is absolutely takes us out of the running for the next big trade.

    Portland acquired Ayton largely with their own players. Only Grayson came from the Bucks.

    I don’t think this is a safe assumption at all.

    The assumption is that Brunson is more valuable than Jrue and that would reduce the pick outlay (which was only one plus two swaps).

    Giving up one pick doesn’t take us out of anything. Only giving up 2 or 3 does that. So you’re saying Jrue is so much better than Brunson that we’d have to throw in multiple firsts to make up for it? I don’t buy that.

    Portland acquired Ayton largely with their own players. Only Grayson came from the Bucks.

    Yeah, this is pretty significant. Woj’s deep dive on the trade makes it pretty clear Allen was essential.

    In order for us to be taken out of the next trade, what needs to be true is that Jrue Holiday is so much more valuable than Jalen that we would need to throw in multiple unprotected firsts. That’s not reasonable.

    Again, Jrue Holiday is a perfect fit on every team. Brunson is a perfect fit on teams that don’t currently have point guards. It’s a totally different trade market.

    I’m not even addressing whether this would’ve been a good idea or not because I don’t think it was realistic to begin with, but to be clear it is very, very questionable purely on the merits. Getting significantly older in order to upgrade what is already our biggest strength, at a significant cost at that, would probably dumbfound people around the league.

    Re: Vassell, if you’re a wing who can defend competently and shoot well on high-volume it’s very hard to have a bad contract. Doubly so if you’re young. If the Spurs need to be rid of that contract they’ll have contenders willing to throw them seconds at a minimum.

    It definitely makes you think Quentin Grimes is going to be quite wealthy in short order.

    The reason I’m hoping the target is Embiid is because there’s probably a 90%+ chance he’s the best player traded for within that timespan, and since this is happening anyway we might as well hope we get the best guy/

    Which gets us back to the original point…

    Let’s say you trade for Embiid next year. You get him for two years, $106 million, and then you have the following choice:

    a) let the guy you just sold the farm for leave after two seasons

    b) pay one of the most injured NBA players ever, one whose career is littered with nothing but playoff failure, something like $400MM for his age 31-35 seasons.

    Why is there no point kvetching about that? That sounds fucking horrible!

    It’s confounding to me why there would be so much consternation about having to pay Dame $63MM in one season three years from now when you seem to be full steam ahead with tying up most of a decade to Joel Embiid in his 30s.

    IQ and Grimes both going to be made men shortly. Although Grimes doesn’t have the volume thing going for him.

    Hooray! Today is my official 1st day back for the Knicks! The offseason stuff couldn’t hold my attention – especially since I’m surprised the Knicks made any moves. If there ever was a stand-pat team, this was it. Essentially they swapped Obi for Donte. And yeah, Donte is a clear improvement over Toppin.
    I’m sick of the Fournier talk too. Anyone with an eye on the stats knows that his shooting has become mundane. He was 30.7% from 3pt range and his overall FG% was only 33.7 last season. That’s a far cry from 2020/21 where he was 41.3 from 3pt range and shot 45.7% from the field. It’s clear, considering his total lack of defensive ability, that he’s toast and a commodity that no sane GM wants on the court. His only value is as an expiring high $ trade asset for a superstar salary match.

    Boston’s moves do not impress me. They swapped Robert Williams II and 6th man of the year Brogdon for an oft-injured KP and 33 year old Jrue Holliday. They got older and not much better. And they gave up the farm.

    I’m excited to see what continuity does for team chemistry. This team is coming back mostly whole. It’s time for Grimes, Mitch, RJ and IQ to take a major step forward.

    The idea of RJ being the backup 4 is interesting. He’s not the little kid we drafted any longer. I think he can do it. Thibs has wanted either RJ or Julius on the floor at all times. It seems natural. What is more interesting is Sims as the 3rd string PF.

    The Knicks are poised to make a big move but I’m not sure who’s really available.

    Hubert said..

    think I might have found a pretty good mid-level trade target… Bojan Bogdanovic

    I thing Bojan is a good target but I worry about his age. If the the trade is Fournier and the Detroit pick back, I’m good with that but who does he push out of the rotation?

    evian for any kind of detroit pick…they’re gonna be terrible for a while…

    they’re on the same time table as the magic and hornets…a few years away from being a few years away…

    i’m so glad we are not terrible any longer…

    Edit: why am I watching this game…I don’t deserve this…

    JK, I get what you are saying about risk-aversion, but to me it’s deeper than that. You are sort of framing it as a back-handed compliment, which is fine on its face. What’s missing is context…most importantly, the initial commitment to the hybrid strategy. That decision was wildly lamented here, largely because it was decried as far too risky….as to be almost certain to result in failure. And for two years, in spite of the trip to the playoffs in 2021, there was a ton of “I told you so!”, all the up to when Thibs was on the hot seat after 20 games last season.

    But making the strategy work (to the degree that it has worked, not everyone agrees that it has) required patience and prudence. So, in that sense, I’m not sure what risk-averse really means. Should Leon have done whatever he needed to to outbid the Cavs for Spida? Should they have traded for Russ? Gobert? Durant? LaVine? Lillard? Jrue? Would the roster/asset bank/cap situation have been better positioned right now had they done any of those things for the price it would have cost? Would we be any closer to contending for and possibly winning a championship in the next 5 years? Personally, I don’t think so, but I guess it’s possible.

    The one area where I think your risk-averse criticism is warranted is in their handling of their draft picks. It seems that with a bit more creativity, they could have had a decent store of future picks and still have created the cap conditions necessary to do things like retain Mitch, sign Brunson, iHart and DDV, and trade for JHart. but then you have to get into who they actually would have drafted, so it’s a murky science.

    At the end of the day, the end kinda justifies the means. Leon committed to a highly risky strategy and has executed it mostly competently and with some resilience in the aftermath of obvious blunders. He has done this in large part by not taking foolish risks, but I’m not forgetting that he was also bailed out of a terrible decision on the Spida deal by the Cavs, which was an incredibly risky proposition even by your definition.

    Honestly, this team probably wasn’t getting past the Bucks or the Celtics before those trades. We just got lucky that Miami decided to run amok in the playoffs.
    That’s not to say we aren’t any good. I still think we’re a 4 or 5 seed in the East, depending on injuries and luck. And maybe we’ll be better built for a long playoff run this year.

    Can Parcells or Coughlin come out of retirement to coach the Giants again? Eli still looks like he’s in good shape maybe he can QB again, heck I’d take Kent Graham or Dave Brown at this point.

    To me an example of risk is trading for an injured or oft injured player and hoping he’ll stay healthy and get back to his highest level. The Celtics are gambling a bit on KP because of his injury history.

    Another example would be trading for a guy that you know can play, but who has had off the court issues that could blow up at any time. Dallas is gambling with Kyrie.

    Another example would be trading for a very god player that doesn’t look like an ideal fit. So you aren’t sure if it’s going to work.

    Leon is doing what I’ve been advising for as long as I’ve been posting here. He’s finding quality players via draft, free agency and trade and he’s getting them on mostly attractive or fair deals. It’s the old “just win the deals” mantra by valuing players well and being patient. They all blow a few, but if you get mostly good deals and select quality players, you are going to accumulate a lot of assets that can be rolled into star if one becomes available.

    There’s risk we’ll never sign a star, but there’s some risk in every approach.

    Ess-dog, we had a winning record against the Celtics last year and although they were obviously a good team, I felt we had a chance in the playoffs if we played them. But we couldn’t touch Milwaukee. I was happy they lost to Miami. Now they are two very different teams. Somehow my intuition is that this season will be the opposite of last season. Milwaukee will have trouble defending us and I think the games with them will be very competitive. Boston, on the other hand, will be able to defend us well. I’m more worried about them this season.

    Dame Lillard was just available for a pittance and all we did was kvetch about his injury history and his salary. Joel’s an even bigger injury risk

    Number of career surgeries:

    Damian Lillard: 1 (abdominal; 6 weeks recovery)

    Joel Embiid: 4 (hand, thumb, foot, knee; 122 weeks recovery)

    *

    Damian Lillard is a much safer bet to earn his money.

    Much safer.

    Dame’s gonna make $63MM in his age 35 season, and yes, that’s not great.

    But what y’all are missing with Joel is that if you trade for him, you’re getting his next contract, too, which is gonna be a 4 or 5 year supermax that starts in the first year of the new TV deal when the guy is 31 years old. That deal is gonna be the biggest, dumbest risk since we signed Amar’e.

    There is a similar logical fallacy with Brunson. We act like we have this super long window bc he’s 26, but this contract doesn’t last forever and in two years he’s going to be our Jaylen Brown, i.e. a borderline All-NBA player getting paid like a league MVP.

    The age of Brunson, Grimes, IQ, etc doesn’t determine our window. The number of years we have them on good contracts does. Our window isn’t very long.

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