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58 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.08.22)”
I can’t remember if we have a spot for a regular NBA contract or not, but I will be highly disappointed if Rose & Co. doesn’t make a play for Garuba. I’m sure there’s a way to clear a spot. Like..I dunno..sending Fournier and a couple 2nds for cap space and the chance to sign Garuba. As Kobe would say, “fuck dem picks”..in this case- as long as they’re 2nds lol. He’s worth it for the defensive versatility alone
I wouldn’t get all worked up about Usman Garuba. He sucks.
I think I need a refresher on why people love Anthony Edwards so much. The line doesn’t look awesome. I know the highlights and the postgame quotes are but I don’t think he’d be a guy I would want to trade for barring major improvements.
Sort of weird to dismiss the 20 year old Garuba when he’s posted similar or better all in one stats to 23 year old RJ Barrett while also filling a team need as a defensively minded PF who has first round upside.
No one thinks Garuba is gonna be a star, but it sure beats signing the Jacob Toppins of the world for the end of the bench. Moves at the margins matter when you’re trying to contend and not signing guys like Garuba is refusing to pick five dollars off the ground because it only gets you a cup of coffee these days.
He’s already solid, only 21, mentally a #1, and apparently looks improved at FIBA. It’s a projection of what he will be not what he has been so far.
I have no strong opinion, but it’s likely he will get better. I’m less sure I like the personality.
One reason people like Ant a lot is because he’s a really funny guy. I’m bullish on him basketball wise too though. I think he’s a few relatively easy adjustments (i.e. cutting out some garbage shots) away from being a 60%+ TS guy who carries a ton of usage, stuffs the box score, and can guard the opposing team’s best guard or wing. He’s the kind of guy that makes the RJ Barrett situation feel increasingly bleak.
I wasn’t particularly high on Garuba in that draft and don’t think we’ll rue the day we pass on him, but he’s such a no-brainer for our last roster spot. His upside is a defensively versatile four who you can’t ignore from 3, and his downside is we cut him and are no worse off for it.
A very good point. One less trade rumor to dwell on. And also, I don’t particularly want to negotiate with Masai anyway.
There are a handful of guys around the league that are always looking to rob the other team in a trade. On one level, you want your organization to try to find bargains and get good deals, but a few have a tendency to take it so far they hold up sensible fair deals that agents and players think are in their own best interests. At some point that could backfire. I think we are already seeing the beginnings of that.
“Sort of weird to dismiss the 20 year old Garuba when he’s posted similar or better all in one stats to 23 year old RJ Barrett while also filling a team need as a defensively minded PF who has first round upside.”
Garuba (who turned 21 in March) is an undersized miniscule usage hackin’ and whackin’ C (he played 91% of his minutes as a C) who couldn’t stick on one of the worst teams in the league that has only two players taller than 6’9″. I don’t think the term “first round upside” applies any more…in fact, I don’t really see any upside at all. We know that all-in-one stats favor low-usage C’s and his were still terrible. We have Sims, Roby and Knight on the roster, all of whom would be ahead of Garuba on the depth chart.
I know we don’t have a perfect backup PF right now, but better “young flyer” options than Garuba will surely shake loose, and journeyman backup PFs are readily available at the vet’s minimum (Taj Gibson, anyone?)
I think that this Raptors thing is one of those deals where it’s only being litigated because the guy in question was extremely sloppy, so there was actual evidence, and that makes me just kind of grossed out by how fucked up the NBA likely is with this shit. Everyone trying to get a step ahead of each other through slimy BS. Not cool at all how prevalent this is.
Yeah, Seth Partnow went on a big Twitter run about how everybody does this when they change teams, but that Azotam was incredibly blatant/sloppy in how he did it.
In general, I assume any action this ownership takes comes from a petty, vengeful place. But the Knicks also seem to have a case here. Hmm.
Silver’s NBA is due for a heavy hand punishement. These are not star players, no union and they’re likely to do some jail time, – so there won’t be any backlash from anyone. Toronto will forfeit both their 1st and 2nd round picks next year and send Dolan a check ~$10m.
The cool thing is that this is actual proof that the league respects Knicks organizational competency by poaching their talent and stealing their IP.
I don’t think anyone will serve jail time, and I doubt that a 1st round pick will be involved….it is very rare that a sanction has invoved a first rounder. (Although Minny once got clocked for FIVE first rounders in the Joe Smith fiasco!)
My expectation is a second or two and a heavy fine for TOR, and for the culprits to be sanctioned in some meaningful way, perhaps by suspension or fines.
I can’t see how the new coach of the Raptors can survive this if what is alleged is true. Any punishment would have to start with him leaving the team (besides of course Azotam).
Sounds like we may be doing Masai a favour.
They’re charged with federal crimes, if guilty its 10+ years of jail time.
“They’re charged with federal crimes, if guilty its 10+ years of jail time.”
Where is it reported that they are being charged with federal crimes? My understanding is that they are being sued in a civil by the Knicks.
A bad day for that idiot. The Raptors might lose some picks and cash over complicity, but his personal liability… oof.
Don’t forward sensitive documents to your personal email, y’all.
And yeah, the events took place in July. Even if there were criminal charges, they wouldn’t be happening this fast.
I mean there are technically federal criminal laws implicated, but none that the Southern District (or any other federal prosecutor) will have a shred of interest in prosecuting. No one is going to jail.
The relief MSG is seeking in civil court is injunctive (i.e. getting a court to order the Raptors to stop stealing our stuff), aside from nominal compensatory damages I doubt MSG cares about. My guess is this is really just a roundabout way of drawing the NBA’s attention to the matter.
The good news for the Knicks is that Leon just found out who his stupidest employee is.
“I mean there are technically federal criminal laws implicated, but none that the Southern District (or any other federal prosecutor) will have a shred of interest in prosecuting.”
Probably correct, but someone might find it interesting because it’s such a blatant act (i.e. easy to “win”) and it could be a landmark sort of case in the realm of intellectual property. Even so, it is unlikely to get past a plea bargaining deal that does not involve jail time.
I’m not sure what cases they will or won’t pursue but I’m sure they have a corporate IP theft unit with a few ambitious young attorneys that are handed a high publicity slam dunk case full of evidence. This is the type of case that usually launches a career. TBD, I guess.
ps. not an attorney or legal expert but I watched every episode of Suits
On a sad note, Quentin Grimes’ college teammate, Reggie Chaney, died at age 23. No cause of death reported.
Harden fined $100,000 for his anti-Morey comments.
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1694017107392876657?s=20
Equivalent of (many of us) being fined ~$300. An annoying traffic ticket.
Yeah, Harden deserved at least that. I wonder if Philly would consider suspending him indefinitely without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. It’s not like he put thinly-veiled messages out there via his agent or associates. He made statements in public calling his current POBO a liar and, by implication, disparaging the entire organization for having a liar as its POBO.
At first I thought this was like asking why people love puppies. Then I took a deeper dive and I see what you mean.
Truth be told, though, the deeper dive made me want a refresher on why people love BPM so much.
Take a look at this side-by-side of Edwards’ Age 21 season and Wade’s breakout season at age 23:
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=edwaran01&p1yrfrom=2023&p1yrto=2023&player_id2=wadedw01&p2yrfrom=2005&p2yrto=2005
Edwards is even or better in nearly every category, but Wade has a massive edge in BPM (4.6 to 1.0) due to an overwhelming edge in offensive rebounds and assist %.
I understand how critical those two things are, but a 4.6 multiple for one of these two players seems like a stiff penalty for his lack of rebounding when he plays with KAT and Gobert.
Yeah but think of the dancer for whom that $100k was earmarked.
Hubert,
What you’re missing in that comparison is that the offensive environment is ever so slightly different now than in 04-05. The big difference between the two guys isn’t offensive rebounds or assists, it’s that when Wade was putting up a .56 TS% that was equivalent to roughly league best offensive efficiency (on a team level) and when Edwards did it that was more like league worst.
I don’t know what happened in this case or what’s typical for the NBA, but there’s obviously a difference between using knowledge gained at one organization to help your next and actually providing data and documents.
It’s only bleak if you are still expecting the same thing from both players. I think those delusions have been written off.
The goal for Anthony Edwards is to become a maxed out #1 option on a serious contender with occasional talk of All NBA 1st team.
The goal for RJ is to become a solid 2nd or 3rd scoring option and two way player on a serious contender with occasional talk of an all star selection.
They both have at least a similar gap between where they were last year and their goal., but Edwards is younger and showing more consistent improvement.
You make a good point Z. Garuba hasn’t been good. However, I don’t think Roby and Knight would be ahead of him on the depth chart- unless they out-defend him. Considering the way Thibs wants to deploy his backup C’s and PF’s defensively, I think it fits this team because he’s low usage on offense. Admittedly- he’s low on offense, but he’s got the ability to defend both forward spots at his size and athleticism level. My belief is there wasn’t a system in place in Houston that he can thrive in. And we all know he wasn’t gonna make that OKC team with all the guys in front of him. But he’d be defensive upside with somewhat of a jumper on this roster. And considering the fact we can probably get him for cheap, he’d be worth adding at Roby or Knight’s expense. Maybe not at the cost of the 2 2nds I suggested earlier, but still worth the flier considering his upside is higher than that of Roby and Knight. I’d be perfectly happy with either Garuba’s upside at the end of the bench or Taj’s floor at that spot
thenamestam, yeah that makes perfect sense. I figured I had to be missing something.
I think the DA should seek the maximum sentence. It’s important to send a strong message to assistant video coordinators everywhere. I know I’d sleep better knowing he’s locked up.
Comparing Edwards to Wade feels slightly sacrilegious. Wade was a revelation almost from the jump. He was a superstar in his third year in the league.
I don’t know, not a biggie for me but I am just not excited about his production to date.
Garuba should be ahead of Sims on a depth chart
Edwards will be the same age as rookie Wade this coming season. He’s nowhere near as good as Wade but Edwards is still very very young.
Also, we need to stop using BPM. Edwards is well-above average even if he’s not a superstar yet.
Donnie, that’s a good one-“I know I’d sleep better knowing he’s locked up.” How ’bout some restorative justice-two second round picks.
Is their a metric showing Edwards has been really good?
“Garuba should be ahead of Sims on a depth chart”
I agree. He should be ahead of Randle, Robinson, and Hartenstein too. We’re talking alphabetical order, right?
Somewhat concerned this Raptor thing is Dolan Anushka Browne redux. Logic would be Leon hears of it and calls Masai. Masai says he knows nothing about it but will investigate. Dolan hears about and sues, undermining whatever goodwill Leon has. Hope I am wrong but has Leon ever sued anyone? Dolan?
This is the type of case that usually launches a career.
most people don’t realize that eliot ness first made his name as the synergy password sentinel
The team has been consistently better when he’s on the court and overall they were about .500 team ?
still finishing up the germany/usa match…
got it paused with about 3 minutes in the 3rd…down by 16…10 minute quarters…wow. some comeback…
man, schroeder (?) was on…brunson didn’t look terrible…germany is big and good…
I like antman, I think him and mitch would be a great match together, for podcasting…
I wasn’t such a big wade fan, I wasn’t such a big jordan fan either…
alright, my current all in list:
devin booker
jaren jackson junior
anthony edwards
I’ve been super impressed with the level of world cup play I’ve seen so far…the games should be competitive…and well played…
julius would fit in perfect as usa’s starting power forward…they need his size and rebounding…
Edwards was 52nd in EPM this year. Far from superstar status, but perfectly consistent with a promising season from a heavily burdened 21 year-old.
I still think BPM can be useful in many contexts, but being aware of the pitfalls is key. It shortchanges a lot of SGs/off-ball players because they tend to have the least number of opportunities to rack up box score stats.
Somewhat relatedly, it doesn’t account well for the “usage soaker” phenomenon wherein a guy with league average-ish efficiency covers for a bunch of teammates who wouldn’t have a prayer of replicating league average efficiency if the surplus usage was distributed among them. It just sees a guy with league average-ish efficiency.
I’m not a big Wiggins guy at all, but the idea that he’s a below average player for the Warriors is laughable. EPM has him in the 70th percentile or above for all three of his full Warriors seasons.
EPM seems to do a much better job in general at recognizing when a guy’s box score stats are taking a role related hit by no fault of his own.
I feel like the complete list of two guards Owen has deemed cromulent since the advent of KB is
1. Ginobli
2. Wade
3. Landry Fields
I keep seeing ads for Winning Time, the show about the showtime Lakers on Hulu. Any advocates?
I have absolutely loved Winning Time, but it’s hard to evaluate it objectively because it is pretty much targeted at my precise demographic of “huge basketball fan that wasn’t alive for the Showtime era and is eager to learn more about it, who also happens to be a big fan of John C. Reilly and Adrien Brody.”
Sold!
Winning time is pretty entertaining, it’s pretty caricature-ish so not to be taken ultra seriously but as someone who lived through that era and remembers the folks well it’s accurate enough. Unless you ask Jerry West.
The funny thing about Jerry West’s complaints about its depiction of him as having a major anger issue is he sounds absolutely furious whenever he talks about it
The actor who plays Jerry West in Winning Time is fucking great.
If anyone should maybe be upset with how they’re portrayed on the show it should be Paul Westhead although I freaking love Jason Segal.
Westhead’s character definitely struck me as exaggerated, maybe even unbelievable…but then I looked it up and the guy really did quote Shakespeare in the locker room.
Seems like the show’s critics are upset that a dramatization of true events is taking some creative liberties. Not sure what dramatization of true events passes that test.
Only thing I would critique is during season 1 they made up a bunch of final scores during the regular season. That whole road trip during Christmas time was mostly false. I can understand taking liberties with stories and exaggerating them for entertainment but considering they’re retelling an actual season where the results can be looked up in 5 seconds on your phone I thought that was a bit much making up fake results just to enhance their narrative.
I still love the show though and hope it gets picked up for a 3rd season.
If you want intensely smart but dangerous, you cast Jason Clarke. He’s the guy who water-boarded the suspects in Zero-Dark-Thirty and he’s the guy who’s out to get Oppenheimer in the boring finale. He also looks just like my 2 year old daughter, who also has anger issues. So, though I haven’t watched Winning Time, I can see why Jerry West might be a bit offended by the portrayal, especially if all he did was look at the guy’s headshot and resume.
Pretty good casting overall, the guy who plays Magic is very good.
(And the guy who plays Norm Nixon looks exactly like Norm Nixon. )
The guy who plays Norm Nixon is actually Norm Nixon’s son in real life!
Hubert, well played.
Add Clyde Drexler to the list but it’s quite a fair point.
52 by BPM works at his age.
I really enjoyed the first season of Winning Time, but this current one (which I’ve seen in its entirety thanks to screeners) did much less for me, other than Adrien Brody as Pat Riley.