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Good win. Gutsy win. Gritty win. Prideful win.
I love this team, at least most of the time…
The Little General willed the team back after a (very) bad start and now we have a small chance to earn a Game-7 in the Garden.
No matter how Game-6 will go, it’s been a fun ride and this game was a touching display of heart if not of smart (19 turnovers).
An awful 1st quarter (14 points, 7 turnovers) maybe lulled the Heat into a false security.
Randle (1-7 FG, 2 TOs in the quarter) took a nasty hit on the eye but maybe the surprise was that a Heat player delivered the blow and not an angry Knicks’ fan…
Bad Julius’ rest fueled an 18-2 Knicks run to start the 2nd, the Heat did understand it was gonna be a real game and a seesaw battle ensued. A Julius’ three gave the Knicks the lead at halftime (50-47) and probably made a switch in his brain, he was much better later.
JB (14 and 4 assists) and RJ (10, 4-5 FG) shined.
Our beloved were shot out of a cannon to start the 3rd. Energy, ball movement, unselfishness and hot shooting propelled a 23-7 run that ballooned the lead to 19, before Caleb Martin’s blaze (9 points in the last 3 minutes) helped the Heat close the gap.
The 3-Lefties did ALL the scoring: Good Julius (12, 4-4), the Canadian Guy (12, 4-6) and JB (10, 3-4 FG, 4 assists), but Grimes (4 assists) and Mitch (6 rebounds) lent a nice hand and the offense flowed well.
New York started the 4th up 10, the Heat tried their best, even starting an annoying sequence of Hack-A-Mitch (who reacted boldly and went a healthy 4-6 from the line in the 4th) but every time they came close a Knick did something good to keep’em at bay.
Plays Of The Game
2:10 4th RJ Barrett misses two point shot (MIA 101 NY 103)
2:07 4th Isaiah Hartenstein offensive rebound
2:07 4th Isaiah Hartenstein makes dunk (MIA 101 NY 105)
1:59 4th Duncan Robinson misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot
1:58 4th Knicks defensive team rebound
1:58 4th Jimmy Butler loose ball foul
1:58 4th RJ Barrett makes free throw 1 of 2 (MIA 101 NY 106)
1:58 4th RJ Barrett makes free throw 2 of 2 (MIA 101 NY 107)
1:36 4th Jimmy Butler lost ball turnover (Quentin Grimes steals)
After Butler’s FTs cut the Knicks lead to 2, RJ boldly attacked the rim cooking the epitome of Kobe Assist for I-Hart who dunked it home.
On the next possession, after Brian’s nemesis Duncan Robinson’s misssed three, RJ boxed out Jimmy forcing him to a foul, then he calmly sank both FTs.
Then Grimes was crushed on a questionable screen (one of the many), but like Lazarus he resurged and heroically stole the ball from Butler.
The Knicks didn’t score on the next possession, that ended with the infamous 5-seconds violation, but they burned a lot of time, damping the Heat’s hopes.
Stats Of The Game
50-34. After an annoying start (Miami had 6 of their 11 OReb in the 1st quarter) The Knicks were back at dominating the boards as it should be. Julius was abnormally quiet (5) but Mitch (11) and I-Hart (6) got a lot of help from JB (9!), RJ (7) and Obi (6 in 12 minutes).
19. Knicks turnovers. We’ll need to clean up this to a have a slight chance in Miami. Randle (4) RJ (4) Grimes (4) and J-Hart (2 in only 9 minutes) were the main culprits.
11. Knicks missed FTs. They shot a bit better (72.5%) but not enough for my taste.
– Brunson and Grimes did play all the game. It hasn’t happen in a playoffs game since 1972 (Frazier and Lucas).
The offense was a bit better (way better on open threes), missmatches were exploited a little more, but basically what I did joke about was true, our “adjustment” ended up being “play harder” (and hope they miss open threes).
– I’m proud of our guys. They refused to roll and die and fought really hard, they showed a lot of pride. This is rule number one to be beloved in New York: win or lose always give 100%.
– The experience our players are getting is unvaluable. Tight, close, physical, dirty, do or die games. Unvaluable.
– “Positional idiocy” made Julius an All-NBA but we know better, this is Jalen Brunson’s team.
– Speaking of Randle. After a brutal start he had a nice all-around game and he hit every FG after the 1st quarter (6-6).
But I’ve given up. I don’t expect anything from him on defense anymore.
From now on I expect him to give us a good things on offense, bring home rebounds and limit turnovers.
Everything else will be a pleasant surprise.
– RJ Barrett (aka The Canadian Guy or MMPE, Most Maddening Player Ever). His playoffs run has been better than expected but we already knew he’s never shy of the moment. How many times did he enticed us just to let us heartbroken? Can he play steady for a full season?
Please kid, make peace with yourself (Mamba mentality, inflated self awereness, pressure to justify the new contract) and choose your shooting form once and for all. Please.
– Grimes. Don’t look at the boxscore, watch the film, he did well. Now just work on your dribble, your fastbreak management and stop being a good guy.
– Hack-A-Mitch is annoying. This time he reacted well, but is it really so difficult to raise his average to 65%? Can someone help him?
– J-Hart had his worst game as a Knick. It has not been a good series for him so far. He challenged the Basketball Gods with his postgame skits and they delivered.
– Butler wasn’t Playoffs Jimmy. I swing back and forth on two opinions: 1. his injury is annoying him more than expected, but he did play 42 minutes so… 2. He’s very confident to close it out at home and he did never put his highest gear in. We’ll see.
Great cap, Max! Thx. And great game to win. Incremental progress from our guys, finally.
One possible thing:
Totally agree, but I also think playing Obi 12 instead of 6 minutes gave Randle a chance to sit more and watch and re-group after an ugly Q1. I think Obi was “fine” but, most important: This is better balance and Thibs should stick with it, regardless of Obi’s effectiveness.
I know I sound naive.
Posting on Game Threads are really “difficult” and I understand why some people refuse to do it.
Emotions, adrenaline, frustration (especially with up and down players like Julius and RJ), everything one’s wrote is bound to be reversed one minute later.
Add the Wi-Fi/App/Cable/Satellite delay (reading the threads it’s clear we’re never “really” sinchronized) and every comment can look dumb or out of contest.
But Game Threads are important, if not vital, to this blog.
They’re our “together in a sport bar” moment, they unite in the same moment (more or less) a community that’s thousands of miles scattered around the globe, allowing us to share our joy and despair for the Knicks in real time.
So I’m officially requesting an “Official Free Pass” for everyone during game-threads.
Starting a flame, pointing fingers, annoyed rebuttal, “hate calls”, must have no home there.
Good point @KBA,
rested Julius is usually a better Julius.
… and he can meditate on the bench! 🙂
The Athletic’s “Pulse” newsletter just gave me a good reason to unsubscribe:
To the notion that Butler “struggled” last night, I say…HA! The guy gets every call- even imagined ones! So I don’t think he struggled. We played better defense against him last night, but he still got too many free throws. Brunson and Randle should have had at least 4 more FT attempts by my count. It felt like the refs were running around with the whistle already in their mouths when Miami had the ball, but they were fumbling for them when the Knicks had the ball. Using officiating as an excuse is kinda like taking the easy way out, but I think everyone would agree that the officiating has been bad this series. From fans to pundits and analysts- and definitely coaches. I won’t get fined for saying it- the officiating is bullshit. Big nasty piles of it. Nevertheless, I’m happy we pulled the win out. Godspeed Grimes and Quickley. We might be able to steal game 6 if Julius rediscovers his Miami Randle alter ego. And I think he’s pissed off enough to do it.
Thibs has not coached a perfect series by any means, but the most frustrating aspect is how reluctant he seems to be to call out the officiating in his post-games. We’ve seen so many great coaches — Phil most of all, but Kerr, Spo, and others — brilliantly use the media to send messages to the NBA head office and to the refs in general that they are not calling things fairly, letting one team get away with murder, etc. Thibs kind of alludes to it, but doesn’t go further. I don’t know if he simply hates making excuses, or something else, but I want to hurl a brick at the TV every time the refs let Bam demolish a guy on an illegal screen. The fact that Grimes was able to get up from one of those and rip the ball out of Butler’s hands was a miracle. (Even if we screwed up on the other end.)
GSW went back to GP2. I didn’t watch but it seems to have worked pretty well, team leading +25 (yeah I’m gonna be lazy and use plus/minus).
It’s perhaps more perplexing why GS takes him out down the stretch.
Max, you have to keep the subscription for Katz alone, who is brilliant. Their more general NBA columnists are very hit or miss, but Katz is the best beat writer we’ve had since Herring, if not since the days when Hahn was still a newspaper reporter.
don’t worry, it was my mistake, I mean unsubscribing the newsletter.
Katz is really great (and I was really worried when Vorkunov was “promoted”).
The newsletter writer is a miss (and if I’m not mistaken he’s a Boston fan) 😀
Edit: Knicks’ and Rangers’ beat on the Athletic has been really good for a long time, I’m not sold on the Yankees and I can’t comment on the Giants/Jets/Mets…
Thibs implied that the refs screwed the Knicks in the 1Q, saying he’d get fined if he talked about why things started poorly. But yeah, he’s not outright saying it.
Just watching various replays I counted somewhere between 3-4 illegal screens.
And that’s not counting the turn and butt stick outs that look natural enough to never get called. A ref could probably call it if he wanted to be a real dick, like that one regular season Cavs game with 400 travel calls.
Athletic has some really good guys… and guys who do a mock 23 & younger NBA draft that can’t believe RJ Barrett fell because “he’s shown he can be a high-level defender at such a young age.”
Wheres the clown who was calling Grimes a bad player for the last 3 days?
Thanks Max for succinctly presenting key info, and also highlighting the emotional roller coaster we experienced. I almost got banished from my home for cursing so loudly that the neighbors heard. Interesting data from Law Murray of the Athletic
I’m drained but thankful we have a game 6.
He had 8 points in 48 minutes, which translates to 6 points per 36. As a starting two guard. Most fanbases don’t gush over such things, nor does most of the Knick fanbase.
Much less needlessly talk trash about it.
But if you want to obsess over the guy, obsess away. It takes all types.
In the playoffs, Quentin Grimes is shooting .325 from the floor and .258 from deep. He’s averaging 7.4 points and 1.9 assists per 36 minutes.
These numbers speak for themselves. They’re terrible. Wasn’t going to bring them up this morning in the wake of the nice win, but some people can’t just keep their traps shut and laughably think they’ve collected some kind of W about the guy.
But by all means, if some of y’all want to gush over your favorite fanboy dreamboat, go right ahead. While you’re swooning, I’m going to root for my team to win the Heat series and the championship.
I also think Thibs could do a better job of calling out the refs. If he’s seriously worried about a fine, he could just say something like “We were struggling with their illegal screens”, raise his eyes, and then quickly move on to other issues. The press would laugh hysterically. I think the more comical tone would mitigate the damage but also send a clear message about what the refs are missing.
Grimes held Butler to his lowest point total and lowest fg% of the postseason. He’s also the reason everyone else can get to the basket again.
Some people understand you don’t need 5 guys scoring 20pts a game.
The Heat’s defense is solid enough to impact the efficiency of most of our players negatively compared to their averages. So we should probably grade on a bit of a curve. Beyond that, we know some of our players are playing through injuries or they were rushed back a bit because it’s the playoffs. It takes some players a game or two to get their shot sharp again. We are also young with very little playoff experience. We are not playing our best basketball, but there are some reasons for it. What I’m willing to hold against some players is lack of effort and outright dumb plays.
Neither of these is true, and teams aren’t worrying about a guy who never shoots and is shooting .325 from the floor.
RJ Barrett got to the basket just fine in the games Grimes missed. The Knick defense was perfectly fine in the three Cavs games without Grimes. Attributing to Quentin Grimes RJ Barrett’s or Jalen Brunson’s ability to get to the hole is simply laughable. I have no idea why some people persist in such things.
If the Knicks had even a league average 2 guard they’d be an actual contender. I’d much prefer that to the perpetual squinting to find a random block of minutes where the team did ok when the guy the other 4 players have to carry on offense happened to be in the game.
Like I said, if you guys want to like the guy and root for him, that’s great — but some of us aren’t going to be conned.
At this point, Quentin Grimes is more theoretical than Frank Ntilikina — and that’s saying something!
He scored 8 points on 8 shots in 48 minutes. Takes quite a curve to gussy those numbers up.
Yeah, I think the space deprived starting lineup works better with Grimes out there instead of Hart and Hart works better in the 2nd unit grabbing extra rebounds and playing with more pace with Quick and Obi. The injuries have screwed with the chemistry of this team. We have almost equally good players on the bench in some positions, but they are not perfectly interchangeable fit wise.
E’s incessant need to shit on a second year player shows he should never be taken seriously.
You should have just left it alone, rather than come on here and trash talk.
You should find better things to do than trolling a Basketball blog for years.
The lede: We won the game.
Pressing: Is IQ gonna play Friday? Can JB and Grimes go 48 again? Should they go 48 again? Is Butler gonna be “more” healthy? Can we get a fucking whistle in Miami? Is Josh Hart every gonna snap out of his funk? Can we get more Deuce? Should we?
Gotta love playoff basketball.
EDIT: @Strat, “I think the space deprived starting lineup works better with Grimes out there instead of Hart and Hart works better in the 2nd unit grabbing extra rebounds and playing with more pace with Quick and Obi.”
Even if I might agree with the overall sentiment on Grimes recent play (and I’m not sure that I do), I *do* know that I’d prefer if we didn’t refer to other posters as “clowns.” It might seem benign, but it’s pretty insulting, and personally I prefer that we refrain from stuff like that. (I probably *do* think that Grimes should remain as a starter while Hart—whom I still love, despite his untimely slump—lead the second unit. For whatever reasons, it worked.)
Let’s just be adults, give our respective takes, and understand that this many people are very unlikely to agree on everything. Our beloved Knicks are on the doorstep of winning two games to get to the ECF, and while I don’t think it’s likely that they do it. they are much further along than any of us dreamed about in October 2022. Let’s embrace what we’ve got and figure out what one player we can get to put us over the top in terms of contention. Maybe with RJ’s (unsettling) improvement in the playoffs, we don’t even need another player. We might just need some bench guys who Thibs would consider playing. I don’t really have the ghosts of Fournier and Rose taking up roster spaces when there might be guys who could give us a few minutes when needed (or in blowouts).
Anyway, we won. Let’s enjoy it.
My first statement on Butler having his lowest point total & fg% is literally true.
Brunson didn’t get to the basket effectively until the past 2 games.
Yes, the spacing is better with Grimes than Josh Hart. I’d prefer a world in which the Knicks had a significantly better player at that position than either of those guys. Again, old news.
Would feel better about winning the series if we had IQ. Thibs has to play Brunson nearly every minute just to pull out the last game and Deuce cant create yet.
He should be staggering Brunson and Randle so that both are on the court all 48 minutes without grinding Brunson to dust.
It’s not, because a bunch of people guarded Butler, not just Grimes, nor did Grimes “hold” Butler to any particular level of performance. RJ Barrett was iso’d on Butler on a second half possession, Butler tried to take him to the hole, and RJ rejected him. How’s that Grimes?
There’s a faction that wants to continue to squint and try to identify the (occasional) “good” in QG’s performance, especially after a win and that’s fine, I totally get it — but overall, he’s been poor in the playoffs. They’d be a better team with a better player in that position playing those minutes.
Who cares about who someone on this blog does/doesn’t like? In the span of 30 minutes of game time I switched from “don’t trade Randle” to “trade Randle” to “don’t trade Randle.” Such things come with the territory of sports blogs.
I like Grimes and think he’s a plus guy, even on low usage. He has also been terrible in the playoffs. But he had a good game last night. All of these things can be true simultaneously.
Now: how do we win game 6? Do we want IQ back if he’s not 100%?
I think my biggest takeaway from last night is that Jimmy B looked pretty gimpy at the end of the game. You never know with him. He’ll probably be fine and drop 45 in game 6. But he really looked slow.
I love Grimes and I think he plays great defense. Why he is a topic of heated discussion I have no idea.
Overall, we hit shots last night that we have missed all series. We tried to throw the game away but failed and I am VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT.
Grimes has played all five games in this series. Brunson got to the hole at will in the three Cavs games Grimes didn’t play.
A thousand times this. I think the Heat also missed a bunch of shots they’ve been making, specifically Mr. Kevin Love 2/10 and 0/7 from three. I’m really hoping Miami’s home cooking is not gonna help their shooting.
I’m going to start with this, giving Z-man a +1:
The season continues but NO MATTER WHAT, this season is a success. I’m watching playoff hoops in mid May. It’s been a lonnnnng time since then.
It was clear that the Knicks were playing against the Heat and the refs. I’ve never seen a worse called quarter. Listening to a smug Spo getting interviewed before Q2 made my blood boil.
Every win now is gravy. Yes, I want a lot of gravy. Now’s not the time to talk about next season or even game 7. It’s time to laser focus on Friday in front of a hostile crowd.
The key to the game is going to be cutting down on turn-overs and playing with insane effort from tip-off.
He really shouldn’t be. But certain people have their agendas and cant be patient with a 22 year old whos shown All NBA caliber defense in his first playoff season.
Me either. He’s essentially a non-factor, yet people want to attribute all manner of superpowers to the guy.
The discussion should be more imagining what the team could do if it had a better player in that position, of which the Earth holds many.
In terms of his production, it’s been very poor. That’s naturally going to occasionally pop up as a topic of discussion and I’m not sure why that’s a surprise. If RJ Barrett was putting up these numbers a big faction of this board would be calling for him to be sentenced to the electric chair.
Logging back in to say that only E would find a way to shit on a player who played 48 minutes last night and STRIPPED JIMMY BUTLER ON ONE GOOD LEG.
Wow, 10:14 and we’re already on comment # 40… after a win!? 😮 😀
This comment i wrote before this thread, but it’s my take on yesterday’s game and so here it is.
All the starters played well, but Brunson was outstanding. RJ was a surprise and countered a below his standards Randle game. Except Randle, i think everybody gave full effort on defense and that’s really important in a playoff game. We need to get more from the bench, as only iHart was ok, but otoh maybe it was for the best that Hart didn’t play well, i think even the team started thinking he was the catalyst for the team’s play and that’s clearly wrong, he’s a major piece but the player that can take us there is still Brunson. Now for friday, it’d be good to have IQ, Hart getting back to being his disrupting self and iHart to keep playing well (and we might need him a lot more with the hack-a-Mitch in place, more on that later).
About the Heat aggressiveness and the refs, i’ve come to think that they play what the refs allow them to, and we don’t do it. We keep playing like the fouls are called like during the regular season, we have to adapt and at least try to play the same way the Heat do because that way the refs will have a problem, you can’t call a foul on one side and then don’t call the exactly same type foul the other side. Bottom line, we need to match Heat’s aggressiveness. What i don’t like is the hack-a-Mitch, shouldn’t that be an away from the ball foul? Jimmy fouled Mitch just to have him shoot FTs, and they were on the Heat’s side when the Knicks were still bringing the ball upcourt on the other side.
About the broadcast, one of the good things of being a Knicks fan is that we can lose and still have fun with Clyde’s comments. I was surprised that Jim Jackson managed to be, not as good as Clyde, but very easy to listen to.
About game 6, i aggree that now the pressure is on them, and i’m hoping we can play like we did yesterday. If we play well, i’ll be happy. Although if we lose my commenting might not reflect it. LOL. As Brian said the Heat should’ve make a push to win game 5, and they didn’t… are the Heat aware that we have a song for the next game? Friday night Knicks! 🎶 I’m getting a good feeling about game 6! 😉
Great recap, Max, thanks. 🙂 And what a great win, i’m very proud of our team! 👏👏👏
I noticed that, and now i know we’ll be the 2024 NBA Champions! 😀
And i agree 100% with your comment about the game threads. 😉
I agree about Jim Jackson, to me he was a nice surprise.
Does he comment for a specific team during the regular season?
The Heat always “try to read” the refs’ limits at the start of the game, and from then on they work on that edge.
We must learn from them, you can’t play by the rule book in the playoffs, thugs win more than good guys…
RE: Spacing with Grimes
As I alluded to in the game thread..there is no spacing if you are not using it properly. Shooting numbers aside- no one cares if Grimes is on the floor if he’s not being used. Yeah the defense knows he CAN shoot. But if you’re not using the threat of it to your advantage by running more screens for him and whatnot, the defense isn’t really worried about him. Even with his shooting numbers as bad as they are in this series, teams are gonna stay up on him if they fear that he’s going to have opportunities within the offense to shoot it because he normally shoots and uses his blow by ability very well. Like- imagine Butler needing to check Grimes because he got hot. That makes the offense super dangerous in this series. Make it so that he doesn’t have to call his own number to be a threat so often. Y’know? I’m tired of seeing Brunson probe and probe with no one else moving around him because the gameplan is to let Brunson create. It’d be easier on Brunson too if we had a game plan to get guys screening and moving around. The few plays where Randle, Mitch, and Grimes were on the move made our offense look as easily executed as Miami’s has been
the heat have no problem going to a box and 1 with grimes on the floor as they did in the 4th… they got bailed out by a couple of foul calls on loose balls but it’s a difficult thing for brunson to navigate to try and drive into 4 defenders…. i imagine we see much more of that….
how you counter that is through passing.. not so much shooting…. and so randle is key to breaking that zone… and the heat know it since they’ve employed it when Obi hits the floor… they want him to shoot and he generally doesn’t do any interior passing…. RJ’s also pretty good at breaking it down as it’s meant to focus on Brunson….
Grimes had a good defensive game especially late… but a lot of others had their time against Butler… especially RJ who was surprisingly effective also… by Butler’s standards it wasn’t a great game and we had some impact on that but he was uncharacteristically sloppy for the most part….
Comparing Grimes impact to Ntilikina should be grounds for banishment.
Wait. Our guys are supposed to screen and move around 😉
THIBS!!!!! (shakes hand at the gods).
Wait, we’re supposed to have a game plan!? 😛 😀
I do think Butler specially tried to coast through the game. It felt like watching the Heat in the bubble again where sometimes they would inexplicably try to run their entire offense around getting Robinson shots instead of putting the ball on Jimmy’s hands.
My theory is that he’s still feeling the ankle injury and it’s hurting him a lot, so he figured ok, this is a “free game” for us so I’ll try to win by distributing and making some plays here and there. If it works, he gets a ton of rest for next round, if it doesn’t, there’s still game 6 at home.
That makes me very afraid of game 6 because I think they’ll go all out. All the moving screens, all the physicality, because they know how the series has been officiated and they know they can get away with some flat out bullshit specially at home.
Don’t get me wrong, I do think Grimes did a very good job at limiting Butler as well as it can be done, but I have a sinking feeling he won’t be as passive in game 6.
Grimes was matched up against Butler on defense for a team high 11:36. RJ was next highest at 2:10 (There was about 7 min of Butler guarded by someone other than Grimes). No other player on either side guarded a single opponent more than 9min.
In that time Butler scored 4 points. Grimes blocked him, stripped him, then blocked him a second time as a help defender, which is not included in that time.
Perhaps more impressive, Grimes never fouled him.
Everyone is talking about Grimes getting the steal, and rightfully so. However, it shouldn’t have even come down to that! Look at how the screener moves. How could the refs not call that?
With Roy Hibbert it was verticality. With the heat it must be horizonticality with these screens.
I loved that we won this game. It has, however, created a dilemma in the superstitious side of me. I had to travel yesterday for a meeting that was at 9:30 China time today. So I watched the first quarter of the game at breakfast, then went to work and had to stop watching and couldn’t even check the score for an hour. The upshot was that they played terribly while I was watching (I think 14 points scored for a full quarter) and then went on a tear as soon as I couldn’t watch. Game 6 is Saturday morning my time, so unlike this game it’s easy to watch for me, but should I?
Whenever we have a good win or a little streak E will find one player who didn’t play well and start trolling about that player. He doesn’t like the Knicks, he likes arguing
None of this begins to make up for Grimes’s offensive limitations and poor performance. He did a nice job on Jimmy last night. So did RJ when he was assigned to him. Eleven minutes is less than a quarter of an association game.
Don’t know what else someone is supposed to say. Grimes is a good on-ball defender. He’s otherwise very limited and performing poorly. When they didn’t have his on-ball defense, the team defense functioned perfectly fine. If the Knicks had a better overall player at that position, they could be contending for the chip.
I mean, that’s basically it. He’s not an entirely incompetent player; he just isn’t a good one for the ask. Ask less of him and maybe it’s a different story. Ask him to play 48 minutes at 2 guard and … well … no. The standard isn’t and never will be, “Will you lose every time you play this player?”
It’s true Kevin love is unlikely to miss all his 3s next game but the heat made 30% of their threes and they can certainly do that again. They were one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league.
10 posts by a single poster saying the exact same thing nine times with the tenth saying “ but he started it” does put a damper on a thread on our most important win of the year.
Maybe don’t start threads after important wins by personally calling me names next time. It’s real easy to do.
And *really* don’t start threads after important wins by personally calling me names by way of serving as tribune of a 2 guard who had 8 points on 8 shots in 48 minutes and has been laying brick the entire postseason (on the rare occasions that he actually shoots the basketball.)
Personal name calling in the service of inane basketball analysis will never serve anyone well. Knickerblogger tradition.
I addressed this in my initial post.
Nobody plays offense for 48min a game. Grimes guarded Butler on the vast majority of possessions.
His limitations are his shoulder injury and that nobody passes him the ball.
He’s asked to play a role and he does it, other people are asked to score. Most championship teams have 3&D players. No team runs five players scoring 30ppg.
Unlike most 3&D players, Grimes has actually shown he can score more. Thibs doesn’t ask him to do it.
But sure his offense hasn’t been great in his first time in the playoffs playing with a bad shoulder.
RE the game: The box shows Heat 30% from three and us winning the rebounding 50 – 34. At last, this is how I expected the whole series to go from the jump.
Did any eye-tests identify a change in our strategy for closeouts and bounding, or were our guys just finally hungry?
EDIT: (I too could not watch due to family commitment, so, like Knick Fan, I have a dilemma for Friday) but I digress …
This. The upcoming game is winnable, but it’s time for the “All Star” to show up for something close to an entire game. At least give a consistent effort.
Right — the hidden “toolbox,” the “bad foot,” and now the “bad shoulder and no one passing him the ball.”
More theoretical than Ntiliklna.
Rather than theory and hope, my preference is an actual good player and actual tangible production. If a faction wants to have a love affair and a betrothment with the guy, that’s great, it’s sports and we’re sports fans — but not everyone has shared tastes on the matter. Try to keep that in mind. My mind turns more to, “Wow, the Knicks have a real shot to do something, wouldn’t it be great if they weren’t playing anchors at the 2 guard position?”
Randle was pretty good last night, just in incredibly Randle fashion. If he distributed his 7-13 in a normal fashion we’d all be happy with him.
My big hope for game 6 is we stop with the unforced turnovers.
E, I would simply not take it so personally when I see comments on a Knicks blog that criticize my Knicks takes.
That wasn’t what it was — it was personal name calling when I’d done nothing but celebrate the Knicks win.
But honestly, I don’t really even care about the name-calling that much or really at all, but when it’s unprovoked name-calling wrapped in a bunch of basketball horseshit … well ….
If you’re gonna come looking for a fight and calling people out, don’t whine when you get bloodied. It’s unbecoming.
What tangible evidence do you have that Grimes is bad? If it’s just that he doesn’t score enough points, I can point to plenty of great players who don’t score points.
If your view is that we could have a better player, great, we’d be better if we had a better player at any position.
A bunch of them were offensive fouls. Some of that is on the refs. But yeah, if we could match our numbers for the season, it would be more obvious we’re the better team.
I don’t know how you get the refs to start calling the game fair. I counted at least 4 illegal screens that weren’t called, and I bet if I watched the film I’d see more. It’s a problem. We just have to go in expecting to be screwed by the refs so that we play through it…as Grimes did, with one of the most epic defensive plays in there playoffs of the last decade.
When did Ntilikina average 11 ppg with a 62% TS%?
The E Chronicles…what would KB be without them?
My view, as it’s been since the regular season follies, is that QG and Josh Hart aren’t good enough to be relied upon to the degree that we all knew they were going to be relied upon in the playoffs, and it was going to lower the Knicks’ ceiling — and that’s exactly what’s happened. To a T.
All the rest is noise; there’s no reason to keep bickering over adjectives and details. I don’t think QG is a “bad” player. But he is in fact performing badly in the postseason. My fervent hope is that he starts performing better.
Do teams send video to league office to highlight an issue, i.e., constant illegal screen settings? Seems like we could slap the video together and send it in before Friday night…at least it would be a way to back channel our awareness instead of doing it in the press or at the post game press conf?
I’m not often with E, but I’m completely with him on the unprovoked name-calling. Uncalled for, as it were.
All I know is that if we get off to a good start in game 6 and build up a decent lead on the Heat, there are going to be some VERY nervous players and fans down in Miami.
They absolutely do not want to come back to MSG for a game 7
No doubt. Maybe DM the league on Twitter copying the usual beat reporters?
I’m pretty sure E said he prefers Cam Reddish to Quentin Grimes. That’s all you need to know about his ability to talk about the guy rationally, though the Ntilikina comment is arguably even more indicative of irrational hatred. E is always going to hate players he considers “Thibs guys” or whatever. Same reason he’ll never, ever say “I was wrong, the 23rd pick was a reasonable price to pay for Josh Hart and his Bird Rights.”
The funny thing is…no one is getting out over their skiis about Grimes. He’s a very solid, low-usage/high-efficiency two way way player who is identified as such by everyone here. Last night he didn’t shoot well but for fuck’s sake if you watched the game you appreciated the hell out of what he did. What is E even getting worked up about?
No one says there’s a pending leap to stardom, unlike Cam Reddish, who would be leading a team to the finals right now if only Tom Thibodeau believed in him.
I was going to let it go, but this one is a completely preposterous statement. I don’t think I’ve even seen a fanbase faction get “more out over their skis” over than the KB Grimes contingent has gotten with Quentin Grimes.
I probably never would have said a word about the guy but for the over-ski degree.
It appears that the “hidden toolbox” is even peeking its head out and seeing if the coast is clear. In the wake of hearty perennials like “the only reason JB and RJ are getting to the hole now is because of QG.” I mean … come on now.
My actual statement wasn’t that he wasn’t better than Frank — he obviously is — but that he’s more theoretical than Frank, which given today’s discussion, he obviously is. He’s the most theoretical player in Knickerblogger history and I wonder whether any other fanbases have similar players.
Nothing. He’s happy. Some people were apparently bucking for a fight and got one.
His playoff numbers are “very solid”? Is this the curve again?
He’s a very strange hill to die on, it must be said. Notwithstanding whatever tone the texts have, there’s certainly some comedic entertainment to be found in such a thing.
I think at least to start game 6 we should play Butler straight up with Grimes and/or Hart. No doubling, only help when there’s not much of a tradeoff. I’m pretty sure he’s hobbled to a degree that makes the disproportionate attention not worth leaving the Heat’s shooters open.
Butler’s been very good this series, but not “orient your entire defense towards” stopping him good. Probably because he’s injured. We can always adjust if he comes out like gangbusters.
I am comfortable with whatever happens as long as Jalen Brunson has a say in the matter. Watching him is like a religious experience for Knicks fans of my generation. There’s a perfectly good statistical argument that he’s the best post ’90s Knick, but that’s not my focus. He’s the only player I’ve ever just fundamentally trusted to take us home. He might not be a superstar, but we’ve got a chance against anyone if that guy is in our lineup.
He changed everything about this team, such that it’s still surreal to me we got him as a god damn unrestricted free agent. That shit doesn’t happen to us!
Yeah, it’s so intense that you couldn’t even name one example, as there are just too many to choose from.
The thing about the quote feature is what I said is directly above your comment, and your comment does not respond to it at all. I characterized Quentin Grimes in general, I didn’t make any statements about his playoff numbers.
You didn’t respond to what I actually said because it’s indisputable and unfortunately for the most bizarre knickerblogger agenda I’ve ever seen a poster have, supports the notion that Quentin Grimes is a good player to have.
Amen. I hope Jalen is in an ice bath until Friday.
Tampering is the best team building strategy imo–we should do it more!
Also, Grimes played a good game last night, it’s fairly obvious. 8 points on 8 shots is meh, but he stretched the defense just enough to give JB, Randle, and RJ some space. He also had 4 bounds, 5 assists, 4 turnovers, 2 steals, 2 blocks and solid defense on Jimmy and others. Those are obvious good numbers even if he was only good for 1 point per possession on offense (which is about the average for a playoff possession–and well above the average PPP for this series!)
He’s shown flashes. Not a “hidden toolbox.” Flashes. Which means he may have something more to give us, or not. Either way, he’s a perfectly cromulent starting 2 guard in aggregate (playoffs excepted). We’ll see if he plays another good game tomorrow!
Jalen Brunson, yes, is a terrific basketball player. RJ Barrett has risen to the occasion and I expect him to in the rest of the playoffs. If Julius Randle can play a little bit better and they get a little more from whatever combination of QG/IQ/Josh Hart happens to be out there, this is still a very winnable series.
Unless the ask is too big, which I’ve already said, and which it is. He’s not “very solid” for a 40+ minute playoff two guard. In another context (*), he might get there or might already be there (or might not be). But that’s not the context we’re talking about.
(*) Or … in theory ….
Counting the number of players standing in the paint is tangible. Counting discrete objects is about as tangible as tangible gets.
Brunson’s scoring numbers the past two games compared to the first 3 games is also tangible.
So in summary, it appears as though the “discussion” reduces to one “side” saying QG hasn’t been very productive for the time he’s being asked to play, maybe he’s being asked to play too much and the other “side” saying he’s a good player to have.
Seems rather pointless.
Now maybe we can turn to Hubert’s awesome conclusion about the “premature ejaculation” over the Josh Hart trade. Or not lol.
They’re relying on QG and Josh Hart way too much and they’d have a higher ceiling if they didn’t. Predicted and coming true. Fini.
Let’s go, Knicks!
E, the alternative to “relying” on Josh Hart as much as we have is “relying” on the 23rd pick in a draft that hasn’t happened yet. Would our ceiling be higher if we put the ball in that guy’s hands?
There’s no need for scare quotes around “relying.” Nor can I really expand on what I’ve previously noted on the matter. It speaks for itself and I don’t need to belabor it.
I wish the Knicks had more pop at that position than you get from QG and JH. They’d possibly or maybe even likely be an actual contender in what has turned out to be a very wide open year. Not much more to say about it than that. Hopefully, they’ll flip the script on me.
EDIT: Actually, I will say one more thing and it’s that now that the playoffs have come and the other teams are going balls out, neither one of them really looks all that “hustle-y” anymore, do they? They play hard to be sure, but not in a way that remotely stands out. Not criticism, fact. Let’s remember all this next regular season when the Pelicans or the Hornets or the Bucks come to MSG on a February Wednesday and half their team looks like Cam Reddish in the Dallas matinee and the Knicks get a W as a result.
Just so I understand the particular ground rules of this debate… no name calling which I completely get…but characterising other poster’s analysis as “horsehit” is permitted. Got it, E.
Two years ago the Bucks won the championship playing PJ Tucker 30mpg in the playoffs. He scored 4.3ppg.
Danny Green started for two separate
franchises in back to back years and won championships. He scored 6.8ppg & 8ppg.
Bruce Bowen started for 3 championship Spurs teams and he scored under 7ppg in each championship playoff run.
Tayshaun Prince scored 9.9ppg during the Pistons championship run.
It’s pretty normal to have a guy like Quentin Grimes play major minutes on a championship team.
What exactly is your premise?
My premise is that the Knicks need way more from the 2 guard position than the bricklaying they’re getting from QG and JH. It’s hard to imagine anyone even disagreeing with this, much less getting massively litigious over it.
The Knicks are two wins away from the Eastern Conference Finals and E is trying to take a victory lap about the idea that they’re a fake “hustle bunny” team or something. Masterclass.
Wow. What I said was literally the exact opposite of that — that you can’t win in the playoffs on hustlebunny and (therefore, by implication) they aren’t winning in the playoffs on hustlebunny. Maybe I didn’t write it well, although I guess I thought it was clear.
They aren’t winning playoff games because Quentin Grimes or Josh Hart or anyone else is out-hustlebunnying the other team.
Boy, I hope IQ can play tomorrow. Thibs does not trust Deuce to play even spot minutes as the PG, which does not seem unreasonable at this stage of the playoffs. And we have to assume that DRose is cooked, and Thibs knows it, or else he’d have played last night. But that means we have no backup point guard without IQ, and we don’t even have an Alec Burks who can fake it for a few minutes per game(*). What even is a non-PG lineup you could imagine Thibs running out there just to give Brunson a few minutes rest per half if IQ isn’t back? JHart, Grimes, RJ, Julius, and iHart? That way you’d have five guys who can at least playmake a little bit, and all three of JHart, RJ, and Julius have a history of bringing the ball up the court. But that has big ugly potential, no?
Are we seeing the RJ leap?
He’s not a #1 option by any means but a solid #3, or #2a. I love it that instead of rushing blindly to the rim he’s now patient when he gets to the paint, and it seems sustainable; he’s finally playing smarter. I also loved his two baseline jumpers last night.
He’s not a star just yet, but stars are made in the playoffs and so far he’s delivering.
It’s definitely Grimes & Hart losing us this series.
Not Randle having one of the all-time worst fg% in the playoffs.
Not IQ playing like crap and getting injured.
Not Mitch or Hartenstein failing on the glass.
Not the twisted ankles that half our rotation is suffering from.
It’s the guys playing defense, passing, rebounding and taking 8 shots a game.
I thought E had promised to only make 5 comments per thread.
As part of his attempt to dismiss what Grimes did last night, he’s gonna post a full 48. At least.
Seriously, it’s almost every other post.
“Did any eye-tests identify a change in our strategy for closeouts and bounding, or were our guys just finally hungry?”
I did not see a real strategic shift, but I did feel (eye test) that Mitch was way more active (supported by 11 rebounds in 26 minutes, 5 offensive). He seemed passive in recent games, could have been favoring injuries but yesterday seemed more the old Mitch we’ve loved.
Oddly we dominated the boards without our rabid short-guy rebounding magnet, JHart.
i dunno why everyone gets so caught up with one person’s opinion… if it’s a clown opinion there’s no reason to address it… if it isn’t then address it… but by keep mentioning it you already give it credibility by showing that it bothers you… and if it bothers you and you can’t address it and instead attack the person then there’s probably something wrong with your position….
and i don’t know what the problem is… everyone on here was complaining about grimes before this game… and he played well on one side of the ball in the second half…. all of that didn’t just disappear…. he also played well last game and made a true difference with a great play…
this shouldn’t be a binary thing…. and the overwhelming need to have everything one way or another drives a lot of conflict here… especially after wins (negative) or losses (positive)… if it’s not one or the other it bothers people for some reason… and that’s rather toxic…. and that’s not only one person that falls victim to that….
Anyone but Jimmy was in full efect last night. They doubled him and made others shoot. It worked nicely. Went up 19 in the third. At this point, Thibs needed to make adjusyment and stay home with shooters because Jimmy can’t hurt shooting contested 2s. But Knicks kept sending Brunson to double Jimmy and they made an array of wide open threes to get back in the game.
To me this a simple but material example of how Thibs is not capable to make in game adjustments but sticks with game plan blindly til the end.
Thx much, Raven. Can’t wait to see same on Friday.
I feel like I monitor this blog, ahh, closely, and I think the idea that we are over our skis about Grimes is totally wrong.
Yeah, but that’s just basically heads I win, tails you lose.
When the team wins, it’s “You simply must not *dismiss* the intangible and subtle and quiet contributions of the hustlebunnies.”
When the team loses it’s, “Why are you blaming the hustlebunnies, they aren’t the ones taking the shots??”
Nice work if you can get it.
And it should also be reiterated that actually good offensive players also pass, rebound, and play defense.
Can someone over their skis even tell?
(Ski jumper wipeout agony of defeat dude couldn’t: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv368yWOSas)
For no particular reason the thought came to me of whether Julius has more trade value or Zion has more trade value. Zion is probably the superior player (obviously much more efficient but limited in terms of range etc) but both aren’t great defensively and Randle is unbelievably durable and Zion can’t stay on the court at all. And Randle’s contract is much better than Zion’s…
Frank, it’s a fascinating comparison, but of course Julius can’t stay on the court emotionally on a regular basis (like all of last year…).
Would we want such a swap? — Zion for Randle. I would not b/c I’m pessimistic about Zion ever playing a full season, but (in terms of tampering) Zion is with CAA 😉
you almost always gamble on guys like zion… just look at embiid who probably had a worse injury history and how he turned out… durant for an older comparison….
I was just told by my insurance company that I need to get a lawyer to seek reparations for a vehicle of mine that’s been in the body shop for 9 months. Since you seem to have a lot of time on your hands today, can you call Mercedes for me? Thanks,
When you play 48 minutes in a 48 minute game with only a 5 person team and you win by 9 points and don’t have a bad score line and make a pivotal late in game defensive play you contributed to the win. Pure and simple. To use this game (elimination game tasked with guarding the best player)as a referendum as to why he isn’t good enough is just plain trolling. That is why I really take offense to E hijacking’ this thread.
OK, so then please delineate the time, place, and manner in which it’s permissible to talk about the performance of a player on your team whose coach has decided to play for 40 minutes plus per game in the biggest games of the year at a premium position.
Is it ever? Let’s start there. Can we look at the box scores and BB-ref and cite the numbers? Or is that off limits? Can we talk about the shooting percentages of off-guard and small forwards?
There’s been no hijacking. I wasn’t going to say a word about the guy today. It was I who wasn’t allowed to celebrate the win.
(I mean, I still am celebrating the win; it was a great win and I’m still optimistic — but still wasn’t allowed to in an internet way.)
So 23% of all posts on this 114 post thread are from E, all saying basically the same thing, that he’s not as impressed with Grimes as some others, and he feels aggrieved at being personally called out about it.
I think I’ve got it now.
It’s on days like this that I look forward to the day when AI can moderate this board channeling the spirit of the late great Judge Jack Weinstein ( apologies for the esoteric post)
Brunson was his magical self, RJ is growing nicely on the big stage and Julius, who is the emotional identity of this team played like himself despite a badly bruised eye. Let’s celebrate instead of worrying about the troll.
A mute or block button for trolls would be nice.
Since I fear it got lost amidst the, um, discourse, let me re-ask my earlier question in a more succinct manner: If IQ can’t play tomorrow night, what is our best option at backup PG?
1. Brunson plays the full 48 again, assuming no injury or foul trouble.
2. Deuce spells him for 3-4 minutes in each half, a bit more if he is playing well.
3. Thibs blows the dust off DRose and sees if he has anything left at all.
4. Thibs fully embraces his Bizarro bearded self and runs out a no-PG lineup featuring Grimes, JHart, RJ, Julius, and iHart.
Oh, I was going to let this one pass, too — but of course people can’t just let it go and almost unbelievably are still continuing the name-calling scrum.
Classy move, during the playoffs when I’ve done nothing but root on the team, to accuse me of having a fake account (Pagliacci) and to accuse Pagliacci of being fake.
I’d vote for 2. For 1 I worry it’ll kill the poor guy, and one of my least favorite parts of clean-shaven Thibs was his tendency to run players into the ground. I worry that Rose is just cooked, I was thoroughly unimpressed with his cameos the second half of the season, it’s a tough thing to do plunging into an NBA game after being on the shelf, but it didn’t seem like he was up to it. 4 is interesting but Miami love to pressure the ball and they would, so who do we trust to bring it up with hard pressure? Answer for me is none of those guys. And we can’t do 5 without Frank and/or Bargs.
Would be hilarious to send Julius back to New Orleans, who let him walk without even a contract offer as I remember it.
He actually would be really good on that team.
I seriously do wonder whether a straight-up swap would be fair? I don’t even know who would need to give more stuff. My sense is that NOP would want more stuff — but Julius’s contract is much better and the injury stuff is for real with Zion. And Julius was all-NBA 2 out of last 3 seasons.
Maybe Quentin reads Knickerblogger?
I vote number 2.
Raven said it all.
Choose the right moment (no Jimmy) and unleash the Deuce.
I’d play RJ, then Deuce. So probably a mix of 2 and 4.
It might shock the audience that I’m not a huge fan of lineups with both sacred cows, Grimes and Josh Hart, in them (*) — didn’t go well last night, generally hasn’t (Josh minus-11 last night) — so I hesitate a bit with 4, but generally speaking, I think you can get through a few minutes with RJ running nominal point. If you try it and the first few possessions look dodgy, immediately to Deuce.
(*) Is that ok to say? Or do I have to get out the champagne when I see both of them in at the same time?
The Josh Hart Failure to Launch was peculiar — no idea what was going on. He got in foul trouble, sure, but he looked out of sorts throughout.
First time I’ve seen that from him.
glad I wasn’t the only one put off by his condescending shiny haired self at that moment…
The Josh Hart Flagrant was probably the worse call I’ve ever seen.
Knick fan not in NJ – great question:
sometimes turning the volume down on the game makes it a little easier to watch…
or, maybe schedule some “cleaning up” chore during the game…
don’t make it such an event…that makes it a little easier to consume for me…
last game I was going out to do stuff in the garden during the game…
hey E 🙂
shit got wierder at work – the hr folks I was engaged with stopped responding to my messages/emails…been about 12 days now since I’ve heard from them…
I figure at the end of the current time period, some one may reach out to let me know what’s up…
I’m pretty sure they’re not pre-emptively suing me…lord knows the mess from terminating me…
ma figures they’re deciding some severance goodie basket in exchange for my signature on some doc…
it’s a weird situation, it’ll resolve, gotta keep moving forward and focus on health, family, home…
hope all is going well for you E…
Geo, the real question is if Knicks Fan watches the whole game, are we DOOMED?
This can’t be a coincidence! This is just dirty!
I remember for the first while when I was reading jowles posts I got this serious sitting out on his porch (as played brilliantly by ned beatty) – judge roy bean…
frontier justice at its finest…
shocked me to learn that he was decades younger, and had both a hard ass and soft voice…
anyways, if we wuz to have some kind of kangaroo court – that would be my choice for referee…THCJ
Hang Em High Jowles?
The only question in his court is whether it’s the rope or the bleach…
we are blessed raven, each and every single day…
and now, now there’s a friday game…
they got a butler, we got a brunson…
OK, so then please delineate the time, place, and manner in which it’s permissible to talk about the performance of a player on your team whose coach has decided to play for 40 minutes plus per game in the biggest games of the year at a premium position.
Perhaps not hijacking a thread on the biggest win of the season? Explaining it because of a personal insult but, saying it doesn’t matter yet another dozen posts by you not allowing a change of subject? Only an insufferable person,couldn’t care less about anybody else, individual would post your things today, But I am not in any way calling names.
We can an agree you are not a clown.
Hey, Geo … TNFH can weigh in too if he wants, but generally speaking (not my area, but I know a bit from experience managing, not legal advice):
1. There’s nothing they can sue you for; you haven’t done anything wrong or caused them any damage
2. Severance package for signature, decent chance … up to you whether it’s worth it … don’t undersell or undervalue yourself
3. Law against age and (probably) disability (don’t know quite enough) protects you solidly in California. Absolute bare minimum is that you can rest assured that whatever they come back to you with is going to incorporate the idea that you’re in multiple legally-protected classes.
4. It sounds like, very bare bones based on what you said, that you’ve told HR you have a disability and you want some kind of accommodation of it. Next step should be them coming back to you with an answer. But that could be off.
I’d still get a lawyer if I was you, but that’s kind of a personal facts and circumstances decision depending on what you want out of this and how much you want to “fight.” If they make you an offer you like, no reason to fight really.
I see no reason Deuce can’t play 10 minutes. Brunson shouldn’t play the whole game – it makes it more likely he’ll get (more) injured. And Deuce was part of turning around our season because of his defensive intensity. By the end of his run he was decent on offense as well.
Just dropped by to reiterate what Alan posted, IQ is still doubtful for tomorrow. I said a loud Fuck when I read his status.
It’s okay, BBA. We already know that we’re doomed.
Thanks for writing what we’ve all been thinking, Max.
Doomed as they are, and they’re extremely doomed, a Game 7 in the Garden would just be all kinds of awesome.
E has actually done an outstanding job putting his agenda aside for the playoffs and just enjoying the games. I give him a lot of credit for it.
As for this guy…
I don’t know who you are, Kevin, but this is not how you start a discussion. You turned this whole thread, which should have been joyous, into something very ugly. For what?
Let’s just bask in this, because we can:
Since 1990, the only Knicks to drop 38 or more points in a playoff game are Carmelo Anthony, Patrick Ewing and now Brunson. No Knicks player ever — not Anthony, not Ewing, not Frazier, not Bernard King — had ever gone for 38-9-7 in a postseason game until Wednesday.
as far as I can tell Rose is completely cooked. If we need someone to play some backup PG minutes we pretty much have to play no PG or go with Deuce. I think Deuce can be useful, even if his shot isn’t falling he’s an excellent defender.
Seems like KAT wants out in Minny. I wonder what they can get for him, his contract is a spicy meatball
I believe if you drop the number of pts scored to 35 Allan Houston and Spree join the club.
I don’t see why brunson and grimes wouldn’t play another 48 (if needed) on friday…
having said that, if quik still isn’t ready to go – I’d be confident to play deuce 6 to 8 minutes…
I think this style of physical playoff basketball will suit deuce well…
Noble, this is the most disingenuous thing I have ever seen you write. I don’t know what the trolls did to recruit you but it really has been the most unfortunate development.
Y’all done formed Obtuse Voltron.
Listen to Max, stop the trolling, and you won’t have to deal with this shit.
thanks E…yeah, right now I’m mostly just thinking I need to get back to dad duties for the boys and continue doing healthy stuff…
gave the whole meaning/relevance of “reasonable accommodation” in relation to this event a good bit of thought…
fair resolution is key…now is just patience…
eating, sleeping, meds, exercising and mindfulness…
I am firmly in Cyber’s camp that Deuce should be getting spot minutes when Lowry plays.
Lowry can be a game changer. Deuce can make his life hell.
Geo, I’m going to take your advice about watching and have something going on on the side. I’m going to console myself with the thought that a) we are definitely DOOMED anyway and b) I did actually watch game 2 without any superstitious effect.
Way to go Geo!
Sorry Hubert I dont have tolerance for someone who singelhandedly brings down the quality of this blog with his trolling. I’m not the only one who thinks so.
Also pretty sure this isnt his first account and has been banned before.
it’s funny Knick fan not in NJ, there’s this one betting site which tries to market with: Having Some Skin In The Game
you know, to try to stimulate some sense of “something” in folks…
i was always think just how exhilarating is just about every moment in life, in of its own…
gotta keep a governor on this party train, you know 🙂
i can’t take full credit for the techniques/methods for mitigating Knick Fandom misery…
Donnie truly showed me the light towards fair weather fandom…i embrace it now…
i adjust my knick enthusiasm knob in conjunction with their on court performance…
shit, the knicks ain’t feeding any of my kids either donnie…i feel you brother…
Exactly. And we should try to not have non-shooting players (Hart and Mitch) on the court with him.
As much as I am not enamored with E, I think it’s fair to point out that we are not particularly strong at the 2 as contending teams go.
Hart pretty much is what he is, best suited for an energy guy off the bench. He’s pretty good at the 2 and 3 in that role, and can guard elite 1’s reasonably effectively. He could also play some 4 in a very small configuration. Was he worth a lottery-protected #1 pick? I think the answer is a resounding yes. We are definitely not still playing without him, and being in Game 6 of the conference semi’s after a 10-year absence is in and of itself worth that price. In fact, it’s pretty close to being a no-brainer. But he’s not really a quality starter and probably not a full-time 36 minute player at at the 2 position, and there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out.
As to Grimes, he’s 23 and still developing. There are things he can add to his game this next offseason and beyond. Just like RJ has added things to his game. We’d be better off with a stud as our starting 2, and Grimes is not one of those, at least not yet. But those guys are crazy expensive….you aren’t getting MJ or Kobe or Dwyane or Klay or Booker or Brown (or one-way scorers like CJ or Spida or even Jordan Poole) unless you sell the entire farm.
But that’s okay! Let’s see what we have in Grimes when he works this offseason to add more stuff to his offensive game. I truly see a path for him to increase his usage at decent efficiency, but agree with E that it’s far from a sure thing. But the issue is that E is distorting the argument. No one is projecting Grimes into a star that should be seen as the answer to that position. However, some feel that he is more than a just a placeholder who has pretty much topped out, which is reasonable given his age and the skillset he has shown over the season. The left hand needs work, and there needs to more variety in the way he attacks after beating a close-out. And his defense is a major plus, which makes up for some sins on offense (see: Spida.) But he’s not untouchable, and no one is implying that he is.
FYI for those in nyc…. msg is having a viewing party for game 6… which i know other teams routinely do but can’t even remember when if ever this happened for the knicks…. tickets are $5…
Three fun bits from a Ringers article by Kram:
One is that the Knicks rank third among the remaining teams in terms of defense (opponents’ relative ORtg) at -6.1, after the Lakers and Warriors, and better than our current villains in fourth place, the Heat (-4.2).
He also asks, ‘Will the starting backcourt have to play 96 combined minutes three games in a row?’ Which sadly is probably a real question, not a snarky joke.
And finally, he notes:
Nobody has played all 48 minutes of a non-overtime game even twice in the same postseason—let alone twice in a row—since, incidentally, Jimmy Butler did so five times in the 2013 playoffs. (Butler’s coach, of course, was Thibodeau.)
The other thing is that you don’t need a high-usage scorer at the 2 if you are getting it from the 1,3, and 4, and at least medium usage at the 5. When Mitch and iHart are already in the extreme low usage role, we need that much more punch from the other 4 positions. If we had someone like Embiid or even Bam, it wouldn’t matter as much.
Boston looking like the worse team for night but for shooting 70% from 3
Close them out Philly!!
Kevin Durant played all 48 mins in game 5 v the Bucks and then all 53 minutes in game 7 (OT).
I would push 48 minutes for Brunson in game 6. If it gets to game 7 hopefully IQ is back.
Sixers no showing, very weird series
I might have to watch the rest of this game on mute rather than listen to Doris Burke
I guess the good news is she won’t be doing our game tomorrow
I hope the Knicks can keep their season alive for as long as possible cause I have very little interest in dedicating all my attention to the last place Yankees.
Embiid can’t run
still nice job by philly cutting it to single digits. Jayson Tatum showing again he is simply not a rough rider
Tatum so overrated
Misses so many shots. Great defender. Great player. But not quite a great enough shooter.
Tatum got shut down one on one by Georges “the refrigerator” Niang
Does the league have a deal with the Sounds of the Game producers that only clips of coaches saying “we need to work harder” are allowed to be used for broadcast or is that literally all that coaches contribute to every time out of every game?
I think Niang is the Minivan right?
Doris Burke jamming a spoon into my brain through my ear.
Minivans have refrigerators in them these days.
Tatum is one dumb superstar
You have them in both of yours? Or did you buy a school bus for all 12 Walsheronis?
Maxey reminds me a bit of Quickley for some reason.
Embiid is a solid player. I would trade Mitch for him.
Maxey is a lot of fun, but man, neither of these teams looks like some unbeatable juggernaut…
Was that a good challenge?
It’s silly you win a challenge and lose it.
Tatum finally woke up. We can now talk about how clutch he is.
Tough shots though. Full credit
I’m not sure my TV would survive a Knicks series against Harden’s incessant foul hunting.
“Was that a good challenge?
It’s silly you win a challenge and lose it.”
Without the challenge it’s 2FTs for Harden. With the challenge, it was side-out with 1.7 left on the shot clock.
The Sixers have completely checked out of this game. It’s bizarre.
So is Tatum a great player because he made three 3s in crunch time or is he overrated because if he made any of his early shots the game would have been a blowout?
Harden’s body language is always bad, the chemistry I have with him as a fan is zero.
How do the Sixers give up at home down eight with 1:20 left? I mean, Doc may as well have emptied the bench at that point, even though everybody else in the world has seen 8 point leads evaporate in 9 seconds (lookin’ at you, Reggie).
Meanwhile, Harden is the antithesis of Jimmy Butler. Aside from drawing fouls they are yin and yang.
Total implosion in the 4th by the Sixers.
I wouldn’t be terribly afraid of either of these teams…
I meant the Sixers challenge earlier. That challenge was a huge win for Celtics
Harden had a bizarre end to this game. Why the hell is he passing to PJ Tucker twice at the end of an elimination game? Is Tucker some deadeye from the corner?
Time for Sue Bird or Candace Parker or the Nets broadcaster.
Did they just say that was Donovan Mitchell in the hat and shades?? Celebrating with Jayson Tatum??
Jalen Rose needs to cool it with the hair dye. One of the great achievements of the Patriarchy was making gray hair on men “distinguished”. Wallow in it, Jalen!
Seems like neither Mazzula nor Rivers is covering themselves in coaching glory.
-Take the series!
-No, you take them!
Jokic’s touch in the paint is Brunsonesque. Would trade Mitch for him.
Suns look bad
Last score I saw in this game was 23-19 and Hubie Brown said “Suns already with 23 points midway through the 1st quarter”. I look back 6 minutes later and it’s 44-26 Nuggets. I had to do a double-take.
Massive five point swing there with that Geriatric Green missed dunk and then the three.
But looking quite comfortable here.
I wish cp3 was out on the court now so that I could enjoy this more…
I am though a big booker fan…
Whoa more like DuDu-rant amirite?
Monte Williams might be adding his name to the 2023 coaching bloodbath, his last 2 seasons haven’t exactly ended on a high note.
The Sixers are just embarassing, they can’t possibly keep Doc Rivers for one more season, how long is it going to take for him to go??
The Suns on the other hand just look absolutely gassed. I mean, who could ever imagine playing 34 year old Kevin Durant 45 minutes every game was not going to end well…
It really seemed that is exactly what happened. They just gave up down 8 with 1:20 left.
The Suns players body language seemed bad from the start, and I don’t think Monte Williams took one single time out to stop Denver when they went on that huge run to end the first quarter. That was bizarre. Who knows how things are in their locker room.
Sure, Monte may have to go so that Phoenix can bring in some other robot who says “we need to work harder” during timeouts.
Monte, geo, not Malta.
Kevin Durant just isn’t the cool thing right now.