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Knicks Morning News (2023.04.21)

  • Ex-Factors: How to Watch Former Mavs Star in NBA Playoffs – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Friday, April 21, 2023 7:23:57 AM

    Ex-Factors: How to Watch Former Mavs Star in NBA Playoffs  Sports Illustrated

  • Cleveland Cavaliers vs. New York Knicks predictions: Who wins … – The Arizona Republic
    [news.google.com] — Friday, April 21, 2023 6:26:25 AM

    Cleveland Cavaliers vs. New York Knicks predictions: Who wins …  The Arizona Republic

  • NBA Cavaliers vs Knicks Same Game Parlay Predictions at +452 odds – Pickswise
    [news.google.com] — Friday, April 21, 2023 6:08:00 AM

    NBA Cavaliers vs Knicks Same Game Parlay Predictions at +452 odds  Pickswise

  • Cavs vs Knicks things to watch in Game 3 of NBA playoffs – Akron Beacon Journal
    [news.google.com] — Friday, April 21, 2023 6:06:03 AM

    Cavs vs Knicks things to watch in Game 3 of NBA playoffs  Akron Beacon Journal

  • Why are the New York Knicks called Knickerbockers? Origin and history of the team’s name – AS USA
    [news.google.com] — Friday, April 21, 2023 5:53:19 AM

    Why are the New York Knicks called Knickerbockers? Origin and history of the team’s name  AS USA

  • Knicks will be coming home to ‘electric’ MSG: ‘Floor’s going to be shaking’ – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 11:42:00 PM

    Knicks will be coming home to ‘electric’ MSG: ‘Floor’s going to be shaking’  New York Post

  • Atlantic Notes: Barnes, Knicks, McClung, Bridges – hoopsrumors.com
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:30:00 PM

    Atlantic Notes: Barnes, Knicks, McClung, Bridges  hoopsrumors.com

  • Knicks’ Immanuel Quickley finishes second in NBA Sixth Man of the Year voting – Yahoo Sports
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 7:48:19 PM

    Knicks’ Immanuel Quickley finishes second in NBA Sixth Man of the Year voting  Yahoo Sports

  • No Luck! Knicks’ Immanuel Quickley Loses Sixth Man to Malcolm Brogdon – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 7:11:58 PM

    No Luck! Knicks’ Immanuel Quickley Loses Sixth Man to Malcolm Brogdon  Sports Illustrated

  • Cleveland Cavaliers vs New York Knicks Game 3 | How to watch on TV and stream online, NBA – AS USA
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:35:51 PM

    Cleveland Cavaliers vs New York Knicks Game 3 | How to watch on TV and stream online, NBA  AS USA

  • Cleveland Cavaliers vs New York Knicks Game 3 | How to watch on TV and stream online, NBA – AS USA
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:35:51 PM

    Cleveland Cavaliers vs New York Knicks Game 3 | How to watch on TV and stream online, NBA  AS USA

  • Cavaliers vs. Knicks: Prediction, TV channel, Game 3 odds, NBA playoffs live stream, watch online – CBS Sports
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:27:43 PM

    Cavaliers vs. Knicks: Prediction, TV channel, Game 3 odds, NBA playoffs live stream, watch online  CBS Sports

  • NBA Rumors: Knicks Land Raptors’ Pascal Siakam In This Trade – NBA Analysis Network
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:09:09 PM

    NBA Rumors: Knicks Land Raptors’ Pascal Siakam In This Trade  NBA Analysis Network

  • Cedi Osman’s Status Uncertain For Game 3 Of Cavaliers-Knicks Series – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 5:59:37 PM

    Cedi Osman’s Status Uncertain For Game 3 Of Cavaliers-Knicks Series  Sports Illustrated

  • ‘Crazy’ New York awaits as Cavs, Knicks meet in Game 3 – Deadspin
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 5:43:24 PM

    ‘Crazy’ New York awaits as Cavs, Knicks meet in Game 3  Deadspin

  • 2023 NBA playoffs schedule: Bracket, TV channels, times with Celtics-Hawks, Cavaliers-Knicks in action Friday – CBS Sports
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:18:00 PM

    2023 NBA playoffs schedule: Bracket, TV channels, times with Celtics-Hawks, Cavaliers-Knicks in action Friday  CBS Sports

  • King of Coaching: Mike Brown Earns Top Honor Unanimously … – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 12:48:33 PM

    King of Coaching: Mike Brown Earns Top Honor Unanimously …  Sports Illustrated

  • As Larry Bird and Bernard King Battled for MVP in 1984, Kevin … – Sportscasting
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:45:53 AM

    As Larry Bird and Bernard King Battled for MVP in 1984, Kevin …  Sportscasting

  • Knicks’ Early 2023 Free-Agent Targets – Bleacher Report
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:35:45 AM

    Knicks’ Early 2023 Free-Agent Targets  Bleacher Report

  • The Knicks Must Get RJ Barrett Right – The Knicks Wall
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:08:25 AM

    The Knicks Must Get RJ Barrett Right  The Knicks Wall

  • 67 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.04.21)”

    No Giannis. Milwaukee won.
    No Ja. Memphis Won.
    No Green. Golden State won.

    Maybe we shouldn’t have played J-Hart. 🙂

    Basketball is hilarious. Biyombo was a +18 in 11 minutes last night and scored 4 points.

    Brogdon wasn’t even clearly the best sixth man on his own team and he beat IQ. That was some real BS.

    SO nervous for tonight’s game. So many questions:

    – How will Thibs adjust to the Cavs blitzing Brunson when he crosses mid court?

    – Will IQ break out of his funk?

    – Can the Knicks slow down Garland? (Mitchell will get his)

    – Will Caris LeVert revert to Caris LeVert (that’s a lot of verts!)

    The only question already answered is “will RJ suck?”

    Nick Nurse is OUT in Toronto. I know this had been rumored for a while, but that seems nuts to me. Isn’t he supposed to be one of the more tactically brilliant coaches in the league?

    Nurse had been checked out all season, as he knew he was gone after this season. He wanted more control than they were ever going to give him, and he checked out so much that it was hard for them to care enough to want to try to keep him. He was actively bad this season. The Raptors apparently are one of the many teams in on Udoka.

    Lot of nut whacking going on of late.

    If Dillon actually had a pair himself… c’mon Dillon, do it!

    – Will Caris LeVert revert to Caris LeVert (that’s a lot of verts!)

    Another way:
    – Will Caris ReVert ?

    I thought Nurse would resign as opposed to being fired. That is nuts. Maybe he’ll be on line for the Mavs job or something. The Nets job would be great for his philosophy, but they’re committed to Vaughn. But yeah..Nurse being fired is a shocker to me. Who do you all think would be in line for the Raptors gig? Outside of Udoka of course.

    Will Caris ReVert

    lol

    What’s the line on the game tonight? I think the Knicks should be favorite. Cleveland rode a wave of hyper intensity and NY wan’t in a must win situation. Tonight they are, while the Cavs are likely to believe the people saying they’re so great they cannot be beat.

    Basketball wise I think both teams are very close.

    Anyone else gonna be at the Garden tonight? Figured there was no better way to splurge a bit.

    I thought Nurse would resign as opposed to being fired. That is nuts. Maybe he’ll be on line for the Mavs job or something. The Nets job would be great for his philosophy, but they’re committed to Vaughn. But yeah..Nurse being fired is a shocker to me. Who do you all think would be in line for the Raptors gig? Outside of Udoka of course.

    I think that the issue was that the Rockets got an interview with Udoka, which freaked the Raptors out and made them think they couldn’t wait for Nurse to resign.

    Brogdon wasn’t even clearly the best sixth man on his own team and he beat IQ. That was some real BS.

    I’m with you, Brian, it was a BS decision. But i have other explanation, i think when it can, the NBA always gives the award to a player that already has one (or more). Brogdon was ROY in 2017, so Quick would have to be clearly above him to get the award.

    The Great Masai Ujiri wants to replace the formerly Great Nick Nurse with the Great But Slimy Ime Udoka was replaced by the Nobody Assistant Joe Mazzulla who became a COTY candidate in year 1.

    smh

    “I’m with you, Brian, it was a BS decision. But i have other explanation, i think when it can, the NBA always gives the award to a player that already has one (or more). Brogdon was ROY in 2017, so Quick would have to be clearly above him to get the award.”

    Frankly, I don’t think there is a team in the NBA who wouldn’t prefer a healthy Malcolm Brogdan over IQ in a sixth man role. He’s just a more steady and complete player at this stage. Seniority probably weighs into it somewhat. But Knicks bias aside, Brogdan is ertainly a deserving winner, he’s been awesome.

    Tonight I want the team back from Cyber’s link of many days ago

    We all do. 😉 I think that team will show up, full court pressure gets cancelled quite easily if you start punishing them. In Cleveland they clearly surprised us with it, and we were unable to punish them so they kept doing it all game long. Not tonight. And not to pull a Cronin, but i think we’re going to win tonight. And getting ahead 2-1 with another game at home to try to improve the lead to a “match-point” (series-point? 😀) would be great. 🙂

    Hey djphan, you know anything about this french kid that just declared? Bilal Coulibaly? Apparently he had a major growth spurt and is a really good defender, 6’8 with a 7’2 wingspan, worth a flyer?

    Frankly, I don’t think there is a team in the NBA who wouldn’t prefer a healthy Malcolm Brogdan over IQ in a sixth man role. He’s just a more steady and complete player at this stage. Seniority probably weighs into it somewhat. But Knicks bias aside, Brogdan is ertainly a deserving winner, he’s been awesome.

    Brogdon’s great, but IQ had the better season between the two.

    And not to pull a Cronin, but i think we’re going to win tonight.

    OMG Cyber… 😉

    Don’t worry, Max, I will make sure to tell us all about the Cavaliers’ inevitable victory tonight.

    “Brogdon’s great, but IQ had the better season between the two.”

    I don’t agree at all. Brogdan put up a .615 TS% (38 points higher than IQ), plus had a higher Reb%, Ast%, WS48 and BPM. He played fewer games but was otherwise clearly the better player.

    IQ rated as a great defender. One of the best guard defenders in the NBA. So I don’t buy that Brogdon was better. But I don’t care that much about it.

    Wish I could make the game. Have family commitments that will make me miss the first half of the game too.

    Re: 6MOTY

    My take:
    IQ had a bad start, Brogdon was good since day 1 and took the lead early, IQ got a lot of traction late but not enough.

    Some of Brogdon’s numbers are a little better (e.g. 44% vs 37% on 3FG), he has more “name recognition” and he’s a former starter adapting very nicely to the new role, but he play for a better team, did play less games (and less minutes per game because IQ has some starts) and IQ’s a better defender.

    Close call, both were deserving, I’m not happy at all but to me it isn’t a scandal.

    To counteract Cyber:

    This will be way worse than game 2. Mitchell, Garland and LeVert will combine for 140 points and the game will be over by halftime. Knicks fans will boo the team off the court at the final buzzer

    Also re: RJ, it is true that I had opinions about the Randle contract that now look dumb. I’m very happy about that!

    However that does not mean I’m doomed to be wrong about every other opinion I have about contracts, and I still think the RJ contract is bad from both a process and results perspective.

    Process: he was going to be a restricted free agent.

    The risks of not extending him were 1) he would play so well in year 4 that he would scoff at 4/$107M this offseason and 2) taking him to restricted free agency would piss him off such that he would eventually want to leave the Knicks, a la Hayward and the Jazz.

    A quick look at years 1-3 made the first thing extraordinarily unlikely, and in any event we’d be delighted if it actually came to pass! As for the second, again, we’d be delighted if RJ bucked the overwhelming statistical trends that indicated he would simply not be good enough for us to care about this.

    When you counterbalance these “risks” against the risk of giving an outright bad player a lot of money ($27M AAV is both not what it used to be and still a lot of money as a percentage of the cap) I cannot fathom coming out on the side of giving him the contract.

    Results: lol

    I don’t feel super aggrieved on IQ’s behalf, but he would’ve gotten my vote.

    Brogdon was definitely better offensively–even if Quickley was right there with him or better for much of the season, the first 30 games or so count.

    However it was relatively close on that end, and every single metric as well as the eye-test said Quickley was in a completely different stratosphere defensively.

    I voted for Frank as 13th man of the year. Another solid on/off year. 😂

    Seriously, I think Quick’s defense is probably underrated around the league and media and I think Brogdan is a bit older and well known. But IMO, Quick is going to get his.

    I voted for Frank as 13th man of the year. Another solid on/off year.

    LOL I nearly choke to death…

    owen congrats on being a great person but also stfu about missing the entire series to attend bingo and mastermind tournaments so the rest of us can go back to not to feeling bad about ditching our families 7 times like they were human zoom meetings

    I appreciate RJ’s confidence, but those little turnarounds from the short midrange (4-14 feet) are not shots he “normally makes.” He’s shooting 39% from that distance this year.(Needless to say, that includes *all* looks, and these are harder shots over one of Mobley or Allen.) https://t.co/Yl8rK0qWpM— Jonathan Macri (@JCMacriNBA) April 21, 2023

    I’m not going to psychoanalyze the guy but there’s a lot coming from RJ that indicates he thinks he is already really good at NBA basketball. Probably doesn’t bode super well for a leap.

    Agree TNFH. It’s interesting that with one of the smartest and most efficient basketball players right next to him in the lineup in Brunson, it seems to have had negative effect on his game and decision-making.

    RJ’s lack of self-awareness is even worse than Melo’s. For all the flaws in his game that separated him from the guys he thought of as his peers, Melo could at least score the goddamn basketball almost any time, and any way, that he wanted to. While there is nothing that RJ is consistently good at, and even the things he is sometimes good at are mitigated by his other deficits. (i.e., he can get downhill, but can’t finish well)

    Latest lame-ass hypothesis based on lazy armchair psychoanalysis and made-up bullshit: Maybe RJ’s latest swirling around the drain is because he’s actually reading some of the massive groundswell of negativity aimed his way, which is puncturing his irrational overconfidence that periodically allowed him to play decently. So now he’s depressed, and tentative, and it makes him even worse.

    For $200/hr I’ll make up stuff about any of you guys, too…

    Supreme confidence is virtually a sine qua non of elite athletic performance; the degree to which that accords with reality is virtually irrelevant.

    If RJ Barrett was an RFA this summer, I think he’d probably get a big fat offer sheet. A lot of non-destination teams have cap space, and that bodes well for RFAs getting overpaid.

    Donnie I just don’t agree. There are 8 teams that project to have cap space (Rockets, Jazz, Spurs, Magic, Hornets, Thunder, Pistons, and Pacers) and I don’t see why any of them would tie up a bunch of it in an RJ Barrett offer sheet we’d still probably just match at the end of the day.

    This is both because RJ is not good and because, again, we would probably just match.

    So the entirety of the “risk” is that someone offers him 4/$120M or something (who the hell is doing this, but I digress) and we have the option to either have him signed at a slightly higher rate than the current one or S&T him.

    If it actually came to pass, that sounds like something that would give us more flexibility, not less.

    E, irrational confidence is fine if you’re someone like JR Smith, who had all the talent in the world, and could at times do anything whatsover on a basketball court. The results could be wildly unpredictable, but the same process was required for his good moments and his bad ones.

    When, on the other hand, you are someone like RJ, who has much less athleticism and a much smaller toolbox of skills, you’ve got to stay in your lane or else you’re actively hurting the team. At this point, I’m skeptical whether even Good Role Player RJ is a potential outcome, but the evidence is overwhelming against Good High-Usage RJ ever coming to fruition.

    Thanks, Mike! I’m really proud of you.

    Oh, thank the Mike!

    Al followed up immediately with a poke about getting GIF powers… Typical Knicks fan

    ***Donnie I just don’t agree. There are 8 teams that project to have cap space (Rockets, Jazz, Spurs, Magic, Hornets, Thunder, Pistons, and Pacers) and I don’t see why any of them would tie up a bunch of it in an RJ Barrett offer sheet we’d still probably just match at the end of the day.***

    It happens a lot. We saw it with Indiana just last year. These teams can tie up space on RFA offer sheets because they aren’t players for the Hardens and the Irvings.

    Sadly, we’ll never know for sure, but we can maybe assume that if Coby White gets rich this summer, RJ would have too.

    Hahahaha, the level of excitement.

    It’s like we traded three firsts for Giannis

    Indy tied up cap space to try to land DeAndre Ayton when it looked like there was a strong change to actually get him, owing to all the weirdness with Phoenix.

    Ayton is both a deeply flawed player and a vastly better player than RJ Barrett.

    Serious question, what’s the precedent for a team tying up a ton of cap space via the RFA process in a guy who had been outright bad in years 1-4? I don’t know the answer, I’m sure there are examples but it seems rare.

    Allen Crabbe notoriously got a large offer sheet from the then-downtrodden Nets, but even he was coming off a 60% TS year.

    If the formatting is back, i’m not so confident about tonight… i think this is a sign from the basketball Gods saying… WE’RE DOOMED! 😀

    If the formatting is back, i’m not so confident about tonight… i think this is a sign from the basketball Gods saying… WE’RE DOOMED! 😀

    Better, Cyber. Much better.

    @IanBegley
    Knicks say Jericho Sims is out tonight due to shoulder ailment.

    Now we’ve even more doomed.

    I don’t know the answer, I’m sure there are examples but it seems rare.

    I think there’s more examples from other draft classes, but in RJ’s draft class you also have DeAndre Hunter with a 4/90M.

    However that does not mean I’m doomed to be wrong about every other opinion I have about contracts

    Absolutely.

    But I see the same logical mistake in both, specifically that you are classifying them before they’ve even begun.

    I agree that he is vastly overpaid and that it’s a bad contract, I just think more context needs to be applied before calling it a massive blunder by Leon.

    You can say he was going to be an RFA but you’re ignoring the very stupid but very real ecosystem of overrated high picks: shit hits the fan if you don’t extend them after year 3 (see Porzingis, Ball, Ayton).

    So it was not unforced. Leon did have to do something with RJ last summer, even if it was for a stupid reason.

    The first thing he tried to do was trade him. That was smart.

    After that it was all crystal ball shit. Sure there were 9,000 minutes of inefficient scoring but come on. RJ’s a number 3 pick averaging 20ppg. No one is going to let a guy like that become disgruntled and demand a trade.

    To me, it’s a bad outcome but it was a smart process.

    And I think Leon deserves credit for getting him on the non max deal. It took Phoenix 12 months of hardball to get Ayton to accept that. Leon did it without the acrimony.

    I’m not going to psychoanalyze the guy but there’s a lot coming from RJ that indicates he thinks he is already really good at NBA basketball. Probably doesn’t bode super well for a leap.

    Despite all his bravado, watching that interview clip from RJ reminded me he’s only 22 and the NY press is asking if he’s the reason we’re losing. Oof. I def. could not handle that pressure at age 22 much less today, so I want to cut him some slack emotionally (but I also wish he was way better at putting the basketball in the hoop).

    Hunter extended with his incumbent team, like RJ.

    Hahaha, yeah, you’re right. Somehow between reading your comment and posting my answer, i thought it was about extending bad players. 😀

    RJ Barrett has pretty much fooled everyone everywhere ever. He fooled AAU. He fooled Canada. He fooled Duke. He fooled all the NBA teams and draft experts who had him squarely ranked #3. And he has fooled the fuck out of Tom Thibodeau.

    Leon was actually not fooled. First he tried to trade him. Then he negotiated a non max contract that beat expectations. Then he took a risk that having RJ on that contract would be better than having to trade him with no leverage.

    That’s good process!

    And you know what? He’s not even wrong yet!!

    RJ Barrett doesn’t need to be great for that contract to not be a mistake. All he needs is 24 or 25 year old RJ to be worth more in the trade market than RJ Barrett was this year.

    It’s just not that big a deal, IMO.

    Oh thank God, I don’t have to find obtuse round about ways to explain >< anymore

    RJ is due for one of his rare good shooting nights. I have a feeling we are going to get good RJ tonight. Of course, I’ve been drinking since noon so I also think I just saw a Sasquatch in my backyard.

    Even for RJ he hasn’t had a good RJ stretch in a LONG time. He has shot horribly since his finger injury. He had a nice few games around that road trip where he got to the rim and converted ok and his free throw shooting is better. But he hasn’t even had like the random four game streak where he shoots well from three in ages.

    *** Serious question, what’s the precedent for a team tying up a ton of cap space via the RFA process in a guy who had been outright bad in years 1-4? I don’t know the answer, I’m sure there are examples but it seems rare.***

    I’m surprised that you are questioning whether NBA front offices make bad decisions or not. There are plenty of cases of bad decisions regarding the RFA market. Perhaps not exact comps to Barrett, but then again, there aren’t any exact comps to Barrett to begin with. I can tell you that Lonzo Ball had been bad for almost all of his 4 years when he was signed to a big offer sheet; Omer Asik was bad for his career when he was signed to a large offer sheet; Jeremy Lin was good for only a few weeks when he was signed to his large offer sheet; Chandler Parsons wasn’t exactly dominating the league when he signed an large offer sheet; Tyler Johnson had shown very little when he signed a large offer sheet; the aforementioned Allen Crabbe was not very good at basketball when he signed an offer sheet; and, finally, Zach LaVine had been RJ Barrett bad for 4 years when the Kings signed him to an $80mil offer sheet in 2018.

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