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My prediction is that we’ll be 1 game behind the Cavs when we’ll meet in Cleveland on March 31. That should make the game a good preview of the playoffs series coming, because the team that wins will be the 4th seed with only 5 games to go.
The Knicks really are giving the Cavs everything they can handle for that fourth seed! It’s great to see!
“Debusschere was also a player coach prior to the Knicks before becoming a major domo starting forward for one of the greatest teams ever assembled. I remember those days. There are some similarities though and Hart’s impact is undeniable.”
Bit late to the party here but…
The real key to the success of the Debusschere trade was that it allowed Willis Reed to move from PF to Center. It also allowed Holtzman to insert Bill Bradley as a starting SF and moved Cazzie Russell to 6th man. Taken as a whole it moved the Knick front court from 2 so-so defenders and 1 elite one (Reed), to 2 elite defenders and 1 very good one (Bradley). It started the whole DEEEFENSE aura of those Knick squads, allowed Willis to be considered in MVP conversations (since C’s inevitably won), and of course led to a couple of chips.
re: Josh Hart, I think it comes down to:
a) How good you think he REALLY is, and will be when/if he signs a new contract. He’s clearly not going to sustain a 4.8 BPM or a .730 TS% or a 56% 3pt%.
b) How easy/difficult it would be to replace his production (including intangibles) given our cap situation.
I would argue that Hart’s value goes well beyond his counting stats. He is the quintessential Swiss army knife player, a born leader, a tremendous locker room guy, consummate team player, guy who makes his teammates better, and a perfect Thibs guy for what that’s worth. You simply can’t look at him the way you would other players, he’s a rare breed of which there are very few others. I would also argue that his value has been somewhat obscured by playing on losing teams.
Now if you think this assessment of his intangibles/fit is over the top, that’s fair. Then the question is whether you can replace the B-R line he will produce is valid. I still think it’s clearly a winning proposition because I don’t value the pick given up as highly as some others might in the context of this FO’s current “win now but win later too” approach. I also think that so long as the contract he signs doesn’t begin with a 1, he will be movable for a similar price that we paid for him for at least a couple of years, and if the terms are descending, all the better. He also makes it less of an issue to have to include RJ, Grimes or IQ in a deal for a star (or Hart himself!)
Hart Foundation for the win
https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1637527852747747334?s=46&t=0wqff4cNt-sCGcDs-uMExw
Give Hart a 3 year contract. That gets him to age 30. He’ll be as good as he is now for that length. He’s amazing. His impact on the game goes far beyond whatever points he puts up.
Fun ranking in The Athletic today, Knicks up to 8th, and a review of clutch vs. non-clutch players on each team. I’ll just post these two side-by-side:
Mr. Unreliable: Donovan Mitchell | 39.8 FG | 29.7 3FG | 87.5 FT | 29.6 points per 36 | 5.8 rebounds per 36 | 3.3 assists per 36 | 2.3 turnovers per 36
We’ve seen this Mitchell in the clutch before and it’s not going to be good enough. The Cavs need him to be the guy who forces the action toward the hoop, rather than settling for contested long-range jumpers. He scores a lot because he takes a ton of shots. But this feels a lot like the bad Mitchell we saw in the clutch toward the end of the Utah era. We know he can be better than this.
Mr. Reliable: Jalen Brunson | 51.1 FG | 37.5 3FG | 83.0 FT | 32.7 points per 36 | 2.7 rebounds per 36 | 4.1 assists per 36 | 1.2 turnovers per 36
You can credit the turnaround of the Knicks to Jalen Brunson and Jalen Brunson only. There are players doing a good job in the clutch, but this is all because Brunson is a crunchtime killer. He knows how to create for himself, and there isn’t much the defense can do about it. He’s so patient in how he attacks, and opponents probably need to blitz him to make others beat them.
djphan you are an elite poster but you’re really stretching with this one. The best case you can make against the trade is that MAYBE we could’ve gotten him in the offseason IF he unexpectedly goes for the MLE AND took our MLE over everyone else’s, or we could’ve done a sign-and-trade with Portland that still would’ve cost us an asset(s) assuming they were willing to take on Fournier or whoever to get that asset(s).
This is all assuming they wouldn’t have just traded him to someone else who would’ve had his Bird Rights and immediately been the odds on favorite to sign him in the offseason, which is a flatly incorrect assumption because it was well-known they were moving him come hell or high water at the deadline.
This is so much uncertainty that you’re saying we should’ve accepted, all in the name of not giving up a lottery protected first in a weak draft in which we already have an earlier first. There is such a thing as being too asset-brained.
You’re also baking into your argument that the games Hart plays for us this year are worth absolutely nothing, even though we have the 2nd best net rating in the NBA since he arrived on 2/11 despite missing our best player for 6 of those 16 games and might win 50 games. I don’t think the most cold-hearted realist GM in professional sports would say “that’s worth literally nothing.”
Brunson is probably the most underpaid veteran in the NBA. What a miraculous turn of events it was to land him on this contract.
I was 100% against trading for Donovan Mitchell for the very reason that Brunson might turn out to be better than him, or at least close to as good at a tiny fraction of the cost, and that they were duplicative anyway. The film from last year’s playoffs was pretty compelling, and nothing Brunson did to fuck Mitchell up seemed outlier-ish.
But to be as close to them in the standings as we are is something I did not think would happen.
I don’t think there’s any way our record is as good if we had traded a billion assets for Mitchell, including any two of RJ, IQ, Grimes, Mitch and Obi. As it turned out, we got both Brunson and Hart for a lottery-protected first and a second (tampering) and similar combined salary as Mitchell while also keeping all of our young rotation players, and our record since Thibs shortened the rotation is better than the Cavs. That is freakin’ awesome!
Devil’s advocate, though, Z-man, is that I think Cavs are still better positioned than us going forward. Even if Brunson is better (or, at least, more clutch) than Mitchell, Mobley/Garland/Allen is such a good and complementary group of players, and Mobley still has a chance to become substantially better than he is right now. We have a lot of excellent supporting pieces, but other than an extremely unlikely RJ leap, who on this roster has the chance of elevating our ceiling by a lot? We probably still need to make a significant deal to become a title contender, whereas Cleveland just has to work around the edges while waiting/hoping for Mobley to continue along his current trajectory.
Which isn’t to say I’m unhappy in any way with this team and how the season is going. Just that I’d be wary of gloating too much about Cleveland. So far, the way the Mitchell deal played out has worked smashingly for both us and them.
“but other than an extremely unlikely RJ leap, who on this roster has the chance of elevating our ceiling by a lot?”
IQ?
the problem is that it’s not just a MAYBE we could’ve gotten him in the offseason… that is absolutely the wrong question…. the problem is that we’re ASSUMING this trade was the ONLY way to get Hart…
this is not a situation where Hart is trapped to where ever he is dealt… free agency does not work like that anymore… if Hart wants to come here… whoever has him is HIGHLY incentivized to work with us to get that deal done… this is incredibly common… and it doesn’t really matter if you’re capped out anymore…. Miami has been perpetually capped out for the last decade yet they have no problem participating in FA… how the hell does that happen?
and if Hart gets dealt to Miami so what? if Hart wants to come here… Miami is going to have to take a second rd pick and whatever we want to throw in to make it work… just like how they got kyle lowry…
the only thing this buys us is that we get to pitch him for 3 months that this is where he wants to be and wherever we wind up finishing for the season…. and for that privilege we gave up a first rd pick…. and like i said maybe you guys think this season is more important than whatever that pick is going to produce and that we’re so bad at attracting free agents that we need to do this… but that’s a hard pill to swallow for me and seem like bad reasons to be giving up picks for….
I would take Cleveland’s situation over ours easily, but unlike before the season they’re one of the few teams I’d say that about as opposed to, well, the majority of the league.
Alan, I agree with the premise as things stand, but the difference is that the Cavs a) have some overlap issues in their core 4, and b) have exhausted most of their draft capital and cap flexibility.
Right now I think we are definitive underdogs in a series against the Cavs. But it wouldn’t surprise me if we won in a long series, and specifically because I think Brunson could once again mess up Mitchell.
But beyond that, we still have the capacity to make a move that makes us better than the Cavs, both for next season and going forward. That is, unless you believe that Mobley is going to morph into an all-time great like some said he was on his way to becoming heading into this season.
Beyond that, Cleveland’s players outside of their Big 4 are really not that good. Maybe Okoro makes a leap offensively, but their bench is pretty mediocre. How do you build a bench when you have so few assets and little cap space?
Now they have 4 highly valuable players to trade, so maybe they sarifice one of them (Garland? Allen?) to add depth. So there is still a chance that they build something even better.
But as it stands, I like our chances and I love Brunson more than I would have loved Mitchell.
Maybe we should have a poll about the Hart trade. Wouldn’t that be funny? 😀
I, for one, will always have a bias against trading loads of assets (specifically players with potential for improvement and draft picks) for a bona fide star. Even if we somehow pried Luka from Dallas I probably would be against it as I would look at the ton of assets gone versus the concentration we have on him staying healthy, etc. It is just my nature and probably why I would not make a good GM.
That said, I am reluctant to conclude that missing out on Donovan only to have him go to the Cavs was a clear win for us. Yes, I like that we did not make the trade for the aforementioned reason, but the team seems to be gelling so well without him doesn’t translate into us not gelling even better with him, he is a crucial piece of a team that is in our way this year and perhaps many more to making a deep playoff run, and he plays a position of our greatest need to upgrade.
this is not a situation where Hart is trapped to where ever he is dealt… free agency does not work like that anymore… if Hart wants to come here… whoever has him is HIGHLY incentivized to work with us to get that deal done… this is incredibly common…
Djphan, where your argument seems to fall down is why are you assuming Hart would want to come here if he were dealt somewhere else or even if he had not been traded? The fact that he seems to love it here certainly has something to do with JB, but also could be that he fits in well, and we demonstrated we wanted him by trading a pick for him. The latter two would have likely been true if he went elsewhere (his skillset allows him to be a good fit in a lot of teams and someone else would have shown they wanted him).
Okay, weird thought while on a run yesterday. Our Benched Mob may be better than most other team’s Bench Mobs. I mean,
Rose
McBride
Fournier
Obi (I count him because 12 minutes a game is like being benched)
Sims
I think that group could beat most teams’ second stringers. And outside of Obi, they don’t even get to play!
Hart isn’t “trapped” where ever he gets dealt, but players re-signing with the team that traded for them is a pretty common phenomenon. I mean, it’s just common sense–they have to move somewhere new, and as long as there’s nothing they actively dislike about the situation they’d rather just take the most money than have to move again. If he got traded to Miami I’d say there was better than a 75% chance he would re-sign with them.
Hart seems very happy to be here, but I highly doubt he was so hellbent on coming here he was willing to sabotage other trades by openly saying he wouldn’t re-sign. That wouldn’t make any sense, the guy’s first priority is almost definitely making sure he cashes in on his NBA career (as it should be).
Even the unlikely scenario in which we land Hart this offseason without trading for him doesn’t look clearly better to me than the deadline trade. In the Lowry S&T, which you’re using as an example of a team having to give up next to nothing, Miami had to give up Achiuwa, who I don’t particularly like but also doesn’t strike me as wildly far off in value from a 2023 lottery-protected first. The delta between what we gave up at the deadline and what we’d give up in an S&T in the *very unlikely* event Hart doesn’t just re-sign where he’s dealt thus doesn’t strike me as all that significant.
Without trading for Hart, we were looking at either not acquiring him at all (quite likely) or still having to give up an asset for him in an S&T (unlikely).
To argue against the trade you have to argue against Hart as a player instead of saying we could’ve had our cake and eaten it too. I personally see very, very few scenarios in which that pick and an over-the-cap salary slot do more for us than Josh Hart.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/11wk5km/bomani_jones_ja_said_he_went_and_learned_some/
Bomani stoled my take
I once read the back cover of a self-help book and it fixed all my problems
There is no doubt that the Cavs are better-positioned than the Knicks right now.
Their core five (Mitchell, Garland, Allen, Mobley, Okoro) are locked up for years or due contract extensions with Bird rights. Ages: 26, 23, 24, 21, 22. They are all due to get better, except maybe Mitchell, but he’s so good right now it doesn’t matter. LeVert will probably walk after this year (given that the Mobley extension will be a max and Okoro, at any price, will send them into Warriors-tax hell) as he’s young enough to get a big multi-year from some team that loves to spend money on the NBA’s middle class (unluckily for him, Phil Jackson is drinking mushroom tea in Wyoming these days). But who cares? He’s on average a bad scorer and has a negative +/-. They don’t need him.
If I had to pick one team that, injuries aside, will win a chip from 2024-27, it’s the Cavs. They run five deep already and all those owed draft picks are useless if they’re healthy. They look like the next Pistons — a legit championship squad with no MVP candidate to speak of. If Mobley or Okoro take a leap, they could be dynastic.
I disagree with Jowles on the Cavs. The main reason is that there is too much overlap between their stars. Mitchell and Garland are both smallish poor defending combo guards. Mobley and Allen don’t overlap quite as much but they don’t necessarily complement each other either. I’d take my chances hedging off of Okoro. Their bench sucks.
They may indeed be better positioned than us, but I’m happy to take our chances with where we are relative to them. Some of that is personal preference…I really like rooting for this bunch. But I also want to wait to see what Leon & Co. do this off-season. As is said in election parlance, it’s too early to call.
PS I’m not sure the Cavs would be much worse off it they passed on Mitchell. Markkanen is a borderline all-NBA player. Could they have put together a smaller package for a more defensive oriented SG or 3-and-D wing?
List of teams with a better DRtg than the smallish-backcourt, redundant-frontcourt, thin-benched Cavs:
for one…. that this was the only way to get Hart is absolutely a false premise…. there’s a LOT of assumptions you are making in order to come up with a scenario where this is the ONLY way for him to get here…. assumption one is that “players re-signing with the team that traded for them is a pretty common phenomenon”… what you’re missing is that this is not the ONLY phenomona….
are the conditions where Hart gets traded to a team and decides in the offseason to go somewhere else as a FA… is that so rare to COMPLETELY discount it? this happens multiple times an offseason to guys like kyrie to lesser guys like marc gasol and to even lesser guys like divencenzo… and the expectation in almost every scenario is that the player will entertain offers in the offseason before deciding where to sign… the second wrong assumption is that whoever was trading for him also has his commitment… and i’m sorry but that’s never been mentioned anywhere to be making this assumption… and something like that happening is actually quite rare… and certainly does not happen for players of Hart’s caliber….
and i don’t know how good you think Hart is… but he’s not signing for 3/85 that the Heat gave Kyle Lowry and i dont’ know how good you think Precious Achiuwa was but he had a bpm of -4.0… and maaaaybe that has a lottery protected first value to you instead of the actual late first rder that Miami had… but there’s NO WAY Hart has Lowry’s market value where he’s getting 28mm aav unless i am really off the reservation… the heat gave up scraps for lowry….. and so it stands to reason we’re not giving up anything more than obi toppin.. if even him… and some guys we’re not playing anyway…
there’s no reason to believe that we couldn’t have had the pick and Hart… and look i realize everyone else feels differently… i never base my opinions on how popular they are…. but you really have to close your eyes to a whole class of transactions over the last 5-10 years to say that this was not possible or even unlikely….
This is the dumbest argument. HART is awesome and the games we’re playing now absolutely fucking matter. End of discussion.
You don’t trade for him and he gets traded somewhere else and does awesome HART stuff for them and they win games and then he resigns with him. That absolutely COULD happen so giving up a pick is not a big deal (god why are people on this site so obsessed with picks…we have plenty of them).
Djphan I didn’t say it was impossible we could get Hart without trading for him, I just listed all the reasons it was highly unlikely.
There’s probably a 10-20% chance we get him in the offseason without a trade *for less than we paid at the deadline* given everything that would need to happen i.e. him not re-signing with the team that traded for him, that team needing to like our S&T offer the best, and us winning that bidding war despite not offering so much as 1 lottery protected first rounder.
We paid a lottery protected 2023 first to raise that to ~90% and get Hart for the remainder of this season.
Yes, it’s theoretically possible we could’ve gotten him for less by waiting, but that approach would’ve made it overwhelmingly likely we didn’t get him at all. I think he is a good player and am glad we played a fairly small price to secure him.
In 1996 the Knicks played horrible down the stretch including losing head to head against the Cavs which gave them the 4th seed and the Knicks fell to 5th. Knicks still swept them in the 1st rd! Don’t think history will repeat itself but Knicks being 5th instead of 4th is fine with me.
Also, even if we flame out in the first round and therefore all of these games are “meaningless” in the eyes of some. Having HART now means that the team is learning how to play with him NOW for the rest of this season and the post-season instead of integrating him after free agency in training camp. That means more continuity, which means we can hit the ground running next season and pick up where we left off. Which means more victories early in the season. More blowouts against shitty teams, more rest for our starters throughout the season, etc.
The Cavs are the #1 defense in the NBA, top 10 in three of the Four Factors. Garland and Mitchell get a decent amount of steals, so they haven’t been zeroes on defense. I dunno, I’m not seeing the massive defensive problems that backcourt is causing.
Depth is more of an issue– they’ll have to find some useful role players who can give them minutes, and they don’t have any assets left.
“List of teams with a better DRtg than the smallish-backcourt, redundant-frontcourt, thin-benched Cavs:…”
Smoke and mirrors. You’ll see…
Interestingly for having such a young, athletic team the Cavs play at the slowest pace in the NBA.
Knicks still swept them in the 1st rd!
that was one of the early 3 point volatility
fairy sweeps juiced further by the 3 of 5 format. in that game 1 when we broke it open on q4, the knicks shot 77pct from 3 on 22 attempts, which to this day is the best performance in playoff history for any team with 15 or more attempts. in game 2 we won by 4 with the cavs shooting 4-23 from 3 and a nice 0-7 from danny ferry. game 3 we won by 5 and they went 4-21 while we went 7-13.
starks went 14-22 from 3 in the series and the cavs went 16-63. both teams shot the exact same 37.7% from 3 during the regular season. tales from the shortened 3 pt line era.
ok swift
ptmilo I remember Game 1 very well! I was in high school at the time but couldn’t watch the game cause I had a baseball game of my own. I taped it though so as soon as I got home I watched it and was in awe of the 3pt shooting, Starks and Hubert Davis were on fire that game.
and i’m saying those are artificial roadblocks…. i was hoping to illustrate with the Kyle Lowry example that all that matters in these type of situations is whether the team and the player wants to hook up… that’s it… as long as you have matching expiring contracts going the other way… which we have no shortage of… then the cap is mostly moot…. whether it’s the heat or the blazers or whatever team it was…. if Hart wanted to come to the knicks… there’s nothing stopping him from doing so…. of course you have situations like Norman Powell… but then you also have situations like Kawhi…. you also have situations like both Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris on the sixers….
unless you have access to Hart’s inner thoughts which situation Hart is going to fall under… and i get that there’s uncertainties… but i’m not sure where the conviction for ‘unlikely’ comes from…
ptmilo I remember Game 1 very well! I was in high school at the time but couldn’t watch the game cause I had a baseball game of my own.
i’m a few years older and i remember it, too. was my last few months in ny, tho i didn’t know it at the time.
“ok swift”
Given how swifty’s takes have aged lately compared to others, I’ll roll with that…
The Blazers actually traded Hart for TWO first rounders because their own outgoing pick is lottery protected and since trading him have gone 4-12, falling from the #8 seed to being 4 games back of the 10th seed. (Win/win?)
unless you have access to Hart’s inner thoughts
God djphan, accept the L. You are a wealth of info, but with this you are losing credibility, essentially with your statements about no one is more of a fan other than his mother and no one has seen his play more than me. Only you are able to evaluate the trade because of your in depth analysis and when facts and others question it, you default to the “unless you know what he is thinking” defense?
LeBron’s hardon for LA is a real bummer for those who love stacked superteams. Coming back to Cleveland to steamroll the NBA in his twilight years would have been the very best thing for his legacy, even if it looks a little tiny bit stacky.
go knicks tho
I dunno, do you think LeBron would be an upgrade over Okoro?
(seriously, LeBron doing a hometown Tim Duncan discount thing would be crazy)
youre misinterpreting what i’m saying which isn’t shocking considering how entrenched you are without addressing any counterpoints….
i haven’t commented on hart’s play… his play is obviously great… i am his biggest fan on this board.. i’ve probably wrote the most words about josh hart prior to the trade and i’ve certainly followed him the longest…. he’s one of my favorite players in the league… all of those things is not some indication that i’m an expert on hart since i’m not commenting on his play… it’s just to highlight that i’m not letting any of that cloud my judgement on the merits of the trade itself… which if you’ve been following…. has nothing to do with that…. unless you think shooting 50% from 3 is going to continue there’s nothing for us to talk about then because we’re obviously living in different realities…
if you actually want to interact and have a conversation you’re free to address any of my points.. if you prefer that I ‘take the L’… well i’m not going to do that unless you step into the arena and show me which L i’m taking….
if you actually want to interact and have a conversation you’re free to address any of my points.. if you prefer that I ‘take the L’… well i’m not going to do that unless you step into the arena and show me which L i’m taking
Trying to figure out who this post is addressed to, how it is relevant, and what it is trying to debunk.
Did i miss the reports on how Hart would only want the Knicks, at the deadline and especially in the offseason? I’m really not following why he’d be a lock to sign with the Knicks. He looks like a guy that takes pride in the team he plays for, and he is on record saying as much. So if another team had traded for him and the situation was good, he’d be a lock to re-sign with them, not the Knicks.
But hey, we have to talk about something, so let’s talk about one of the best trades we’ve made lately and question if it couldn’t have been done a little better. 😀
I’m more interested in knowing if Gobert/Reid will play or not. Because if they don’t, MVP Barrett will be in the house!
If we’re wondering how we can get better, IQ is 23 and he’s pretty good. He could absolutely turn into an all-star.
As an aside, but relevant to NY sports, Pitino to St. Johns. I’m an alum–hopefully this will work out. Knicks, Giants, Mets and St. Johns trending. I agree with you D Red.
“if Hart wanted to come to the knicks… there’s nothing stopping him from doing so”
…but we have no reason whatsoever to believe Hart would raise hell to maneuver his way to the Knicks if he were traded to another team. Why wouldn’t he just re-sign with e.g. Miami if he liked it there just fine? That is by far the most common outcome in these situations.
You cannot analyze the trade under the assumption that Josh Hart was absolutely dead set on playing for the Knicks for the simple reason that there’s no reason to believe that!
So sure, if Josh Hart had gone on record as saying “I don’t care who trades for me, in 2023-2024 I will be playing for the Knicks,” I would have different thoughts on the trade. That didn’t happen though, so I supported the trade that made it overwhelmingly likely to be the case.
I like the Cavs position a lot, but I might actually prefer the Knicks position. The Cavs have very good young players and better internal upside, but they gave up 8 million or was it 7 million 1st round picks to land Mitchell. That team is basically close to a finished product.
The Knicks have Dallas’s 1st round pick this year (which will be better than their own if they still had it), all the rest of their 1sts, and a couple of others. The Knicks have more avenues to pursue improvement including simply drafting young players or moving up to find players that can have some impact in the first couple of years. There’s more coming and could easily be impactful.
Looks like Ant-Man is out tonight, via CBS:
“Anthony Edwards (ankle) is unlikely to play Monday against the Knicks, Alan Horton of the Timberwolves Radio Network reports.
When Timberwolves’ head coach Chris Finch was asked of Edwards’ status ahead of Monday’s game, Finch responded, “I wouldn’t imagine he’s in,” so it appears the AntMan will be spending his second straight game watching from the sidelines. If that’s the case, Taurean Prince could be headed for another start with Jaden McDaniels getting a bump in usage. Stay tuned.”
Would Josh Hart elected to have come to a team this off-season where as a three he’d be behind a 22 year old guy who’s just starting a 25m yearly extension? I’m guessing he’d go where he’d get the most playing time and I don’t think he’d have expected 30 minutes a night here.
To continue my last post, we didn’t see the Hart trade and its huge impact coming. There could be others just like it. We just can’t see or know what they are yet because circumstances around the league are constantly changing. It’s a matter of how much we trust management to be selective and use our assets wisely. But we are not a finished product. Cavs may have more internal upside from their current team, but we have more external upside to go with our internal upside. We also now have a very good team that makes us very attractive to someone that wants out of their current circumstances.
Just about every analyst gave the Knicks a B or B+ on the trade. And that was before JHart gave us 15 games of all-star production in the thick of a run to the playoffs.
The horse is out of the barn on the win-now discussion. As such, this trade was an extremely impactful win-now move with negligible win-later risk. The FO acted decisively in that context and it has paid off in spades. I truly don’t understand how they can be second-guessed in that context.
why would he need to raise hell? he’s a free agent…. as in free to go wherever he wants to…. did kyle lowry raise hell in forcing a sign and trade to miami? no.. of course not…. this isn’t some move reserved for primadonnas.. this isn’t a james harden… anthony davis or kevin durant situation where they’re already locked into a deal AND then forcing a trade….
how about as a 2 and replacing a 2nd year guy who’s struggling in his second year and who’s already effectively flipped him in minutes priority? that’s impossible i guess…
IMO, we should stop thinking exclusively along the lines of “win now” or “draft rebuild”. We are probably going to continue doing a little of both. The Hart deal made us better immediately, but he’s young enough to give another contract to. We also have a few players in the rotation that could easily be part of the next cycle of rebuilding. We are doing this quite well. We have a mix of YOUNG veterans, young players, and plenty of dry powder. Maybe 6 years from now a few of the current veterans will be gone, but a few our of current young players will be the young veterans carrying another group of younger players we drafted or traded for.
Yes, ok me. I’m one of the few who beleived this team could be legitimately good before the season started, thinks rose has done a good job and likes thibs. I like where I stand right now with my analysis.
If you asked around the NBA right now “what was the best move at the deadline?”, imo the Knicks trading for Josh Hart would win in a landslide. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In this case we got an American Eagle in hand. To worry about some 20th or so pick and some wild scenario where we made space for him and he chooses us is just looking for a reason to complain. It’s way way more likely if we didn’t make this move we never would have gotten him.
I’m sorry, but when an opposing coach complains “Josh Hart kicked our ass” it makes you happy about the reasonable trade that brought him here. Note, this is a literal quote from Mike Brown after our game with the Kings.
I’m not worried about possible birds in the bush. My experience is that every single trade in the NBA has fans complaining that their GM should have gotten a better deal. It seems this trade is no exception.
Although, on second thought, I’m not actually sure any Toronto fans complained about the Bargnani deal.
Minnesota has one of the worst offenses in the NBA yet they scored on their first 6 possessions.
This is fucking embarrassing…