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Uhm… Let check what I wrote after the Boston game:
“Next game is like a Wile E. Coyote’s ACME trap.
I trust Thibs to keep them in the right place”
But it was D-Mar and his “herculean effort” that took the lead for best jinx of the year. Well done pal! 😀
We weren’t there from the start, tired and mentally exausted, the 1st qrt was sloppy as hell, we took advantage of some terrible Hornets’ defense to score 45 in the 2nd, then the two guys we counted on more collapsed in the 2nd half and someone on the bench couldn’t do anything to change course.
Defense was bad, intensity was low (too many second chances allowed), the coach went with the classic “I played the ones that brought me here” (see Pat Riley after Starks’ 2-18 game) and at the end the streak was broken.
On the easiest step.
For the record, in a sloppy defensive game, with people “arms down” for long stretches and the offense needing some baskets, I’d rather have Fournier and/or Rose on the floor than in Siberia solving crossword puzzles, otherwise why are you paying them?
Next: Let’s hope this is just a hiccup and get ready for a huge West Coast trip. I’ll be ecstatic if we go 4-0, happy with 3-1, relaxed for 2-2, I won’t consider anything less 😉
I am still out the window over this team. I’m not worried about the loss at all. The fly by night fan might see we lost to Charlotte and say some shit like, “here we go. I knew we would fuck around and lose to sorry Charlotte!” LOL
Lookit..last night was a perfect storm..the prototypical trap game, if you will:
1. Best player out
2. Last game was an emotional 2OT win at a legit title contender where our best available players played a shit-ton of minutes.
That said though, I still feel like this was the perfect opportunity for Thibs to help the guys get through it- coach them out of the trap, so to speak. There was no better time to use Obi, Rose, Fournier, and Sims- as Randle, Quickley, and Mitch could have used a breather against a bad Charlotte team. Especially Randle. In that game you let Obi play through his ups and downs because you know how good he is when you get him going. That is my only observation/gripe about the game.
On to Sacto
As Brian said at the start of last night’s thread, this was the trap game to end all trap games. It sucks that we lost, but I didn’t lose sleep over it.
The one unfortunate part of the game, beyond the impact it may have on our playoff seeding, is that Thibs’ inflexibility reared its head for the first time in a while. The healthy post-Hart trade rotation has been so strong and well-balanced that nearly every combination has worked. I don’t want to call it idiot-proof, because that would be disrespectful to a guy who’s clearly done a great job coaching the team through this great stretch of play after a terrible start to the year for both him and the team as a whole.
But if ever there was a game to lean more on the end of the bench, it was this one. Whether you want to call it physical exhaustion, mental exhaustion, or both, Randle and IQ clearly did not have it last night, while the one promising stretch of second half play came from Obi and Deuce. Just leave them in longer, rather than trying to ride starters who were somewhat understandably sleepwalking through this one.
There’s no way I’m going to blame Thibs for not doing something he never, ever would have considered doing. I’m firmly in Camp Whatever about losing this game.
I do think, though, this game is a useful data point for giving player’s days off. We tend to view that as sacrificing the short term for medium and long term benefit. But do exhausted players really give you the best chance to win?
Here are the benefits I see of scheduling 3 or 4 games where the backups play (and to be clear, I am not suggesting Thibs should have done this; I am simply developing my own opinion of load mgmt):
Long term – your kids get valuable experience playing in an expanded role, and the team gets useful information about how their prospects perform in that role.
Medium term – it reduces the wear and tear on your best players and gives those end-of-the-bench vets an opportunity to shake off the rust in case you need them later in the season
Short term – You try to win the game with fresh players instead of exhausted ones.
I don’t know if the last one is actually a benefit, but I do think comes close to negating the dropoff from starter to sub. Especially when you have a deep bench like we do.
I am definitely leaning more towards rotating players. When you think about it, why play your best guys 82 times just because there’s 82 games? There’s 260 working days in a year. Does anyone think it helps to have people work all 260?
9 point lead with 6 mins to go, no excuse for losing that game.
Hubert IV, I agree with you. So last night, even if we lost, there would be long term, medium term and short term benefits. The other side-that we need to always play our best players to win (even if exhausted or off)-doesn’t hold up.
9 point lead with 6 mins to go, no excuse for losing that game.
BBA, they had an 8 pt lead with 7 1/2 minutes to go the previous 2 games. Granted a vastly inferior opponent but we could easily be talking about 3 Ls. This time we just didn’t have a hero to bail us out.
I’ll gladly take the 2-1 and (very) late game heroics by 2 different players–good recipe for play-off success.
The most obvious candidates to rest last night would have been Julius and IQ. But with Brunson out resting either of them would be akin to conceding the game. With Thibs as coach together with a chance to get the win streak at 10, I can see why that was not an option.
That said, giving the lesser used players more (or even some) burn should have been an option.
Yeah I had a bad feeling about this game from the start.
And it wasn’t just the one super emotionally draining double OT game against Boston but also the previous super draining game against Miami with a game winning shot. We were just flying so high to the sun with those 2 wins, both of which were us playing really well but also getting super lucky in super hard fought wins. When IQ came out missing his first 4 shots, I knew we were in trouble.
And, honestly, a loss right now is probably needed. You don’t want this team getting too cocky or sure of itself with there still a few weeks left in the season. Good to be reminded that we can lose to any team on any night if we don’t play hard and the right way.
Would like to see Thibs loosen his grip on the rotation, though, on nights like last night. Would have been a good night for Fournier if nothing else.
Hopefully Brunson is healing up. This west coast swing will be important for us to keep things going. I’m expecting 3-1.
Can’t seriously get upset about this loss. I did almost get upset at the parent at dropoff talking about how he put money on CLT at halftime.
The idea that Brunson makes Randle better and RJ worse is kind of hanging out in the eye-test lab right now. RJ looked better last night until he didn’t. To be brutally frank, I think the success of his career probably rests more on his relationship with referees than any young player in the NBA. I feel like every game the refs are the tipping point between RJ having a solid, slightly above average line thanks to some bail out calls and just shitting the bed.
Also, RJ did not look good on defense. Although no one did.
IQ on defense last night looked like he was doing everything he should and he had people put five shots in right over him.
Anyway, on to the next game and I hope they realize they have to play better the next time Dua comes to the Garden.
This means it should’ve blown up in CLT’s face before they fell off a cliff in the NM desert. Meep, meep! *runs off in a dust cloud, through a tunnel painted on a rock*
What an up and down game for both the Knicks and RJ. For RJ specifically, I was excited to see him start off well. Then it all fell apart for him. I think he finished something like 1 for his last 10/11. I feel like he needs to understand (and be instructed by coaches) of what his limitations are and to not veer from them. He was taking some wild shots and seemed to go away from passing to the open guy, which he did so well earlier in the game. He just seems so robotic to me. Like he makes his mind up on driving and doesn’t adjust. Also, his 3-point shot seems completely off, unless it is in the corner.
Today i’m going to do it Alan’s way, with a GIF. 😀
Is it too early to call Jalen Suggs a bust? I mean he’s almost 2 seasons in and continues to put up pretty terrible numbers.
Orlando has a bright future but he’s kind of a black cloud over it right now.
Every game is important when you are battling for playoff positioning and you have good teams right behind you and you are chasing a good team in front of you trying to get home court.
It’s very easy for even good teams to lose 4 in a row or 4 of 5 or for one of those other teams to go on a run and pass us. IMO, people have been way too overconfident that our position is secure.
That said, we are not the best 3 point shooting team. We’ve just been making a lot of them lately. Last night they weren’t dropping and we didn’t have that stabilizing presence that Brunson usually gives us to change the momentum of the game when things aren’t going well. The fact that we collapsed late also suggests that being tired was a bit of a factor.
It’s spilled milk.
The important thing now is to get Brunson healthy again and make sure this doesn’t turn into anything more than a blip because we have a lot of tough games ahead of us on the road with teams that have to win and this could easily turn into something ugly if we aren’t focused. We have to secure that 5th seed to avoid one of the top 3 teams. That is far from secure even though people have been acting like it is. Not even the 6th is absolutely secure yet.
D-mar, I would still keep Suggs in the “potential” bust bucket. I think there is a bit of confirmation bias given Masai passed on him. OTOH, Masai is the closest we have to a non-playing basketball genius (outside of a few posters here) so maybe it’s not too early but actually too late.
Twitter thoughts on how CLT got RJ to start sucking halfway through the third quarter.
Also, THCJ, you are from Kingston right? They had an article about it in the Guardian, Airbnb and real estate politics.
suggs is def not a bust.. at least yet…. he’s progressed in all the right areas this year.. and he should be a player in this league if he keeps it moving in that direction… pg’s can take awhile to develop as they have the most adjustments to make…. it’s going to be tough to overtake mobley and sengun but he def has a chance to be one of the best players in that class….
Yeah I was about to say the same as djphan, Suggs has certainly not been great but he has definitely improved from year 1 to year 2 and has a higher BPM than our fourth year lottery pick RJ Barrett.
Suggs is a sneaky good defender, regarded by people who follow the Magic closely to be a plus defender already, if not plus plus. He’s a good versatile defender, plays good man defense and is an excellent pick and roll defender. He ranks very strongly in most advanced defensive metrics. That gives him a pretty nice floor, and when you factor in his improving if still inefficient offensive game… yep, he’s still a good prospect.
Ok maybe bust is too strong a word, but he’s a pretty poor shooter from 3 point range and rarely gets to the line, so I’m not sure his defense makes up for that, esp. if he’s going to be your starting PG for the next decade
and to add… you only have to look at his own backcourt mate… markelle fultz… on how you don’t give up on certain prospects… especially those that are young…. he was universally called a bust … got injured multiple times… and now it looks like he’s turned a corner and he could be completing his breakthrough next year at the ripe age of 25….
i’m not sure how everything mixes down there in orlando but they got a lot of interesting pieces…
Orlando’s PG of the future is presumably Cole Anthony, who has surprised me a lot as a pro and who is a legitimately nice young player. He’s only a year older than Suggs and seems a lot further along.
If I was the GM of a rebuilding team I would be trying to steal Suggs for sure. His fit on that Magic team is pretty unclear, might be able to be had on the cheap.
The Magic definitely seem to be in a weird situation at the guard position and very likely there’s going to be a crunch sometime soon. There’s simply not enough minutes to develop all 3 of Anthony, Fultz and Suggs, specially when they kinda need a guy like Gary Harris to provide some shooting and Franz Wagner is set on the SF position with good reason. I think Fultz will eventually be the guy to lose out on the competition simply because he hasn’t been consistently healthy and Anthony has been progressing better than expected.
i think it was Hollinger or Pelton who said that high school ratings are somewhat sticky at times… sometimes a bad freshman season is just a fluke or maybe the college game was too restricting for a guy like cole… he’s a great exhibit A for that… but then you also have guys like ziare williams who hasn’t really surprised anyone…. so def not universal…
and a more interesting team than the Magic is our next opponent.. the Kings!
Thinking Basketball has some of my most favorite basketball content around and they did a fantastic breakdown on the team at a tactical level…
Mike Brown probably deserves CoTY.. it’s a real hodge podge of players out there and he kind of threw the kitchen sink of plays and sets and it’s mostly all worked… this is the #1 offense in the league and by all accounts they have no right to be but it starts to make sense the more you watch them….
A lot of fun, if not necessarily useful, lineup data in here. Found this particularly interesting:
“New York’s defense in the Brunson-only minutes has been worst-of-all-time-level disastrous, while it’s been fantastic (nearly 2 points per 100 possessions better than the league’s best defense this season) in the Quickley-only minutes. However, the same unit has been very good (the equivalent of a top-five defense) in the Brunson-Quickley minutes, which seems to point toward the culprit being the Knicks’ non-Quickley wings (Barrett and Grimes), rather than Brunson.”
I’d put my money on RJ.
Fultz’s numbers doesn’t scream starter PG to me, and both 3P% and 3PAr are Elfrid’s level bad.
I think the Brunson-IQ on-off numbers are partly due to IQ just being an otherworldly defensive player this year and RJ not playing those minutes.
IQ has also been playing with Brunson more recently, which coincides with adding Josh Hart to the closing lineup who not only is a great defender but means fewer RJ minutes with the duo.
Brunson probably helps the defense just with his ability to score, which limits alfast breaks. Not sure how that’s gone since early this season,but that was a big weakness. I assume it still is because our C’s crash the boards instead of getting back, it’s just at a lower rate because we play a slower half court game that should also reduce breaks.
Basically everything is RJs fault and you can’t convince me otherwise. No idea why his defense fell off so hard this year.
Improving our 3pt shooting needs to be a priority this offseason, whether thats bringing in a new guy or improving the percentage for the guys we have. Grimes & Brunson should both up their rate, especially against zones and traps. Grimes tried to do it a bit last night but missed his more aggressive attempts.
Again, there’s one culprit who sticks out more than others when it comes to shooting.
The video is great, thanks. I see next game will be a big test for our defense. They have a lot of different movements going on, and we usually don’t fare well against Sabonis.
Thinking Basketball is pretty much the only analysis I watch at this point
I mean absolutely no insult to the Kings, but it amazes me how sometimes teams just luck into other teams doing stupid shit just by virtue of being the other team on the receiving end of the other team doing inexplicably dumb shit. “Kevin Huerter is a big part of our team, but we don’t like paying luxury tax, so let’s just give him away.” And the Kings are like, “Uh, okay, thanks for giving us a very useful player for nothing!”
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but shouldn’t Dallas try to tank and keep their pick at this point?
To be fair, over the years, it was the Kings who were benefiting other teams by being the ones who did the inexplicable dumb shit, so I guess this is evening out.
“I can’t believe I’m saying this, but shouldn’t Dallas try to tank and keep their pick at this point?” Nah, the West is wide open. They’re currently the #5 seed. You gotta figure the Suns are getting to the #3 seed, but the Kings could fall to the #4, too. Stay at #5 or #6, and there’s some winnable matchups if it is the Grizzlies or Kings. You’d prefer to avoid the Suns, but there are some winnable series out there for the Mavericks. If they were, like, the #9 seed right now, I could see the argument, but they’re the #5 seed at the moment.
I didn’t watch the game last night but it seems like the Hornets had our number. One thing occurred to me is that Steve Clifford might have been the anonymous coach Begley quoted. It would make sense the Begley might talk to the coach of the Knick’s next game to get some background and the Hornets fit the description of a team the Knicks won’t play in the playoffs. And whoever said it certainly understands how the Knicks play. If it was Clifford, it’s nor surprising they were prepared for us.
They are the 5th seed right now, but they have no shot the title and are only two ahead of Portland in the loss column for the 12th seed. They may even make it into the lottery without trying.
I just don’t see any team in the West as being out of it toally. But yes, they are definitely not a great team.
I was exactly this days old when I realized the Kings had the best offense in the NBA.
Huck the Feck?
Dallas just added a player that in 10 games has the following stats:
27.6 pts, 6.9 ast, 5.0 trb, with shooting splits of .524, .421, .941
I agree that the Kyrie experiment can blow up in their faces, but he’s a very good player, when he’s focused, and they need more time to see if Luka and Kyrie work well together. Trying to win is the only way for them.
I’ve spent a lot of time looking at the Brunson/Quickley On/Off and Lineup issues and the Brunson/Doncic On/Off and Lineup issues in prior years because a lot of it doesn’t make obvious sense.
Dallas was often better with Brunson than Doncic even though Doncic was the backup and everyone was always screaming that Dallas was lost without Doncic on the court. Well, no they weren’t.
Some of it is whether you are playing with and against the 1st string or 2nd string players.
Some of it is specific combinations that work well or don’t work well.
Some is just noise.
I often talk about defense where
Minus 1 + Minus 1 = Minus 3 on defense
Minus 1 + Minus 1 + Minus 1 = Minus 6 on defense
There appears to be some kind of compounding effect on defense where it’s easier to protect 1 bad defender, but if you have 2-3 bad defenders it all breaks down badly.
There are also diminishing returns issues when you have too much of one skill at the same time.
I think the major issue is that a LOT of lineups with RJ perform badly and they are even worse relative to Quickley because Quickley is better on both sides. So whoever plays a lot of minutes with RJ relative to Quickley suffers in that way.
There may also be some defensive compounding and diminishing returns issues with RJ and Brunson and especially with RJ, Brunson, and Randle.
The problem with Kyrie certainly has nothing to do with offense.
With Doncic, Kyie, and Wood they should have one of the best offenses in the NBA right now. The problem is the defense was already a problem and just they traded away their best wing defender in DFS.
So now they have no interior/rim protection on defense and multiple weak players on the perimeter.
That alone is not the end of the world because they have two major components of a championship (assuming they can keep Kyrie). The problem is they still need a legit interior presence on D, an defensive upgrade on the wing, a backup PG, and more depth.
We have one of their 1st round picks.
They just traded one for Kyrie.
They don’t have Wood signed up and may lose him for nothing or have to overpay.
They still have 2-3 bad contracts.
That’s lot to fix with limited assets for trading.
But they WILL win a lot of games by scoring 120-130 points every night.
If you’re Dallas, I think you made that trade for next year and suffer the risk he leaves. They’ll be able to retool more next year to supplement the Kyrie/Luka core.
It may help if the pick goes to the Knicks so they can actually make a trade.
Pretty good use of a two-way spot, IMO. Brown is still only 23 and has had his fair share of NBA moments.
What’s the deal with Moses beyond adding to our crew of Old Testament All Stars?
Seems interesting statistically
I don’t understand the argument for load management when it comes to young and healthy players. Load management is for the chronically injured to protect one’s investment in them. And it’s specifically for back-to-back situations, where short recovery time can aggravate pre-existing conditions. The Knicks played a long game last week, but they also recently had 9 days off. Randle and Quickley shouldn’t need 96 hours to recuperate and play again.
There could be some benefit
I didn’t even realize the biblical angle, but wow we sure do have a type huh?
Brown was surprisingly undrafted after a year at UCLA, was a top 25 recruit. Briefly was with Portland before signing a multiyear deal with OKC. Had some bonkers games for them e.g. 21 and 23 on 8/10 shooting against Boston, among many others. Won some people fantasy leagues.
Funnily enough, OKC traded him to Boston in the Kemba salary dump. Has bounced around a bunch since then without sticking anywhere.
yes, moses is now on our side…
Seems odd. I remembered that big game. I guess something will probably emerge to explain his recent peripatetic existence.
Interesting little signing, he’s bounced around since going undrafted and he’s a pure new yorker (from Archbishop Molloy HS, like Kenny Anderson, deadly shooter Brian winters, Lou Carnesecca, actor David Caruso and… Andrew Cuomo 🙂 )
I think Owen’s right, there must be “something”…
fatigue makes cowards of us all
i can’t account for quik, that dude just has crazy energy, but – had you been watching the games mister donnie basketball, you would have seen after the game on sunday, julius appeared physically, emotionally, mentally spent…he should have been taken out of the rotation for a game…julius should have been told this monday, he could have rested well until the first road game (kings tomorrow)…
yeah, were rolling now, no tears for when thibs though is no longer coaching the knicks…unless it’s someone worse taking his place…
julius should have sat yesterday…100%…it is known…
i can’t remember whom said it, but, i like that “rotational” roster perspective….give someone else a chance to shine – like our very own obadiah…heck, let RJ carry the weight for a night…
The link above to an analysis of Barrett’s performance in the Hornets game suugests that he shot worse in the second half because in the second half the Hornets double teamed him as soon as he got the ball. I think that represents progress for RJ. Sure, he didn’t make them pay enough for double teaming him, but being in that situation is probably new to him, and a learning experience.
Maybe the Brown signing is a reaction to our being dominated on the offensive glass yesterday by rebounding machine… *checks notes* Gordon Hayward.
i wish RJ was learning on some other team, and we had mikal in his place…ah, look what you all have done to me…
I thought signing Moses meant we had three two way players, but it turns out Daquan Jeffries was just moved to a 10 day contract instead of a two way one.
***I mean absolutely no insult to the Kings, but it amazes me how sometimes teams just luck into other teams doing stupid shit***
All I know is that everybody here thought the Kings were doing stupid shit when they trade Halliburton, but here they are vastly over-performing their lolkings projection. Sabonis and Fox are, how do you say, synergizing?
(The interesting thing is that there was a lot of talk of Fox for Randle at last year’s deadline. I’m not sure which FO balked, but would a Halliburton and Randle led Kings team right now be #3 in the west?)
***had you been watching the games mister donnie basketball, you would have seen after the game on sunday, julius appeared physically, emotionally, mentally spent…he should have been taken out of the rotation for a game***
It’s okay to be spent after a game, and if the next game was a day game 16 hours later, then I’d get it. But 48 hours should be enough time for an otherwise healthy professional basketball player to compete again. (Hell, I know guys that have WON marathons and are back out there 48 hours later doing their full training regimen… and they’re not even getting paid for it:)
I don’t know how wrong I got that deal, probably a fair bit, but I wish that we could do whatever they did to Sabonis to Randle. He has leveled up.
Meanwhile, RJ is still… RJ’ing, for good and (mostly) bad. So the winner of that draft right that second is Cleveland?
Fox is a tantalizing talent. If I knew last season that he would have this season this season, then the Sabonis/Hali trade would have make a lot more sense.
I’d say Moses Brown problem is defense. If you discount the 3 centers that played less than 100 mins, Moses is the 2nd worst only behind Luka Garza.
I think we have the other 2-way spot available, Knick Fan, because when Keels’ 10-day contract expired he went on to sign with Westchester directly. We now have DaQuan on a 10-day contract, an open roster spot and an open 2-way spot.
So just to make sure I have it right, we’re rooting for the Pels, the Heat and the Wiz tonight?
The announcer in the heat game used the word “funnel “…to describe the cavs defense….is that allowed?
Kristaps en fuego
Yeesh. Durant slipped and fell during pregame warmups and is now going to miss his home debut with the Suns:
Randle is going to be backdoored for 140pts, isn’t he?
I can’t believe I have to be Team Draymond on something but I am definitely Team Draymond if Team Dillon is the other option.
Please let these silly stupid little feuds never end
Cybersoze, we already signed Duane Washington Jr to the other two way spot.
We should have one NBA roster spot left though
I don’t know about that; I count 17 total with the addition of Moses Brown. See the link below
We cleared 2 roster spots in the Hart trade, Arcidiacono, Svi, & Cam go out while only Hart comes back.
We signed Keels but he expired and is no longer signed to the NBA Knicks.
DaQuan has filled 1 of the 2 open NBA spots.
That lists RJ twice, I assume because of the extension
I missed that I was counting RJ twice. Thanks for clarifying.
By the way, the ten day contract for Keels might have been a kind of favor for him. By being on the actual roster for ten days, I think that makes this season count a year of service for an NBA pension if he makes it that far.
*** Yeesh. Durant slipped and fell during pregame warmups and is now going to miss his home debut with the Suns***
Reminds me of the time Kenickie was about to make his debut at Thunder Road but got hit in the head by a car door causing him to miss the race.
Dallas is now the 8th seed and Luka has a strained thigh.
We don’t want them to slip too far in the standings!
As a Knick fan, I’m not rooting for it to happen, but if I was in the Mav’s front office, Luka would have just had a season ending injury. I would then be praying to win the Wembayama sweepstakes. I’ve been corrupted by the pro tankers. I need to go take a shower now.
The Kyrie situation really complicates it for them, though. If the team just implodes, I imagine Kyrie would bolt to LA or some other team, if there’s any kind of market for him at all. Then you’ve lost by far the best player you’ve ever paired with Luka, plus the assets you traded to get him, all for a pretty damn low chance at getting Victor or Scoot? (Dallas is thirteen games behind the Hornets. At best — and it would require falling past a whole lot of teams — they are getting into the familiar Frankie Smokes/Kevin Knox range of the lottery that we know and loathe so well.)
That seems incredibly dangerous to me, especially since Dallas has never been a FA destination, so the cap space Kyrie’s departure opens up wouldn’t be as valuable to them as it would be to the Heat or the Lakers.
You’re right, forgot about that signing. So the 2-way spots are taken by Duane and Moses, and then we have one open roster spot and DaQuan signed for 5 more days. So we have one or two spots (if we don’t re-sign DaQuan) to add players from the free-agent pool. Only players that were waived before March 1 and since then only signed 10-day contracts.
How cool will it be if they slip to 11th? 😉 And for a more “hitchcockian” plot, they finish 10th, we’re all mad about it with 500 comment threads and all, but then one team behind them jumps to top4. 😀
I’m impressed that this site didn’t go ass over teacup after that loss, which was pretty embarrassing and irritating. Perhaps we’re all maturing?
On that note, from an article about the upcoming Woody Harrelson movie — I want this taped to RJ’s locker.
“In the games they’d be out there playing, they’re running up and down, and I’m saying, ‘You need another pass! One more pass!’ Just think (about) it: How many times one more pass, whether in basketball or soccer, one more pass … you’re going to get that goal.’”
Also, normally I don’t get wrapped up in the officiating arguments, as it’s often good and bad for both teams and it’s about human error to a large degree etc. ad nauseum. But since some here do, a great screed by FVV that’s going to get him creamed, but good for him: