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Continuing yesterday’s baseball talk, I like Guardians not only because it has a local meaning but because it sounds so much like the team’s prior name. For the same reason, the Washington Football Team should have gone with Red Tails or Red Hawks, instead of the mega-generic name they chose.
That’s not it at all. I mean, he is not analytically opposed, and I’m sure a lot of the lineup decisions are made with input — if not outright instructions — from the analytically-minded front office. But pretty much all of the stupid nonsense Boone pulls is about gut feeling rather than analytics. The math shows, for instance, that relievers tend to perform much better when they enter a “clean” inning, with no outs but also no runners on base, then when they’re brought in to clean up someone else’s mess. Yet time after time, Boone will leave the previous inning’s pitcher in for at least one more batter, hoping to “steal” an out before turning it over to the next guy. And it blows up in his face all the time.
I have mixed feelings on the FO these days, but it’s hard to tell how much Cashman is to blame for getting too cute with reclamation projects, versus Cashman trying to maneuver within Hal’s extreme reluctance to flex the full financial might of being, you know, the NEW YORK YANKEES.
It’s interesting that the Post article about Mitch thinks his one crossover dribble against the Wizards didn’t go well. As I recall he got fouled, went to the line and made two free throws. That’s actually a good result.
Guardians and Commanders is a mediocre nautical period-piece movie with Russell Crowe.
So this really was a crossover attempt? It looked like it but I wasn’t sure. It seemed, well, not ready for prime time but I hope he tries it again.
And for the record, Mondays are always better knowing that Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers are miserable.
I know, it makes me small. But really, have there ever been two more despicable hall-of-fame quarterbacks playing at the same time?
My major criticism of Cashman is his 20+ years of putrid starting pitcher acquisitions.
The good: Mussina, CC, Cole, Kuroda, Tanaka.
The bad: Jeff Weaver, Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Jaret Wright, Jose Contreras, Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, a washed 41 y/o Randy Johnson, AJ Burnett, Javier Vazquez again, Miguel Pineda, Sonny Gray, JA Happ, James Paxton, Corey Kluber, Frankie Montas.
That’s a very bad record.
Pitching is hard.
Happy Birthday to El Jefe, Mike K!!! Hope you have a great one!!!
Hubert, that “bad” list is basically why I stopped watching baseball. Oof.
In other news, did anyone read about ClipperVision. I wish MSG would do same.
https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/steve-ballmer-la-clippers-clippervision-jamal-crawford-baron-davis-1235405566/
For a while I thought Cashman mostly operated pretty shrewdly when accounting for Hal’s cheapness. The Stanton acquisition hasn’t worked very well, but Cashman has made countless moves for players making negligible salaries who turn into key contributors over the years (e.g. Didi, Gio, Voit, Hicks, Trevino, Holmes, Peralta, Nestor).
The Josh Donaldson saga has shaken my faith. We’re spending $23M AAV on a guy I as a layman could’ve told you was about to fall off a cliff. That’s a disaster for a team as salary conscious as Hal’s Yankees.
Had we not traded for Donaldson, with a few minor moves we could’ve signed Correa without spending any more money. Donaldson also came with IKF, who the Yankees had a downright bizarre devotion to all season. It was utterly braindead to prioritize Donaldson and IKF over Correa.
I still wouldn’t be in support of firing Cashman because I think he wins more moves than he loses and I don’t trust Hal to find and/or pay up for anyone better, but now I think he’s something like the 10th best GM in the sport whereas a few years ago I thought he was as good as anyone.
Re: Boone, Like Alan, I’ve also never understood the critique as it relates to analytics specifically. His bullpen management is very bizarre at times, and whenever I find myself objecting to it it’s on the grounds that some pretty basic numbers scream that whatever he’s doing is dumb.
Going with a guy who had never been so much as a third base coach for a team clearly in win-now mode was a weird choice that I still don’t really understand. He seems like a perfectly nice guy and I’m sure he gets along well with most of the players, but the inexperience shows.
I haven’t followed baseball much in years, but to me it seems like the formula for winning a lot of games in the regular season is not necessarily the best formula for a short playoff series. IMO, the Yankees have tended to build teams that according to the stats would win a lot of games instead of just trying to get to the playoffs with a team that would excel in the post season.
It’s kind of like basketball where a very deep bench helps in the regular season because of injuries and the speed of the game, but when the game slows down and rotations shorten in the playoffs, who has the better 9th 10th and 11th guy doesn’t matter much.
In baseball, the weights for what’s important change a bit.
Boone may be using analytics to manage but there is more than analytics to managing players. Wasn’t there one pitcher this season who wasn’t doing well and playing below expectations but the suddenly was pitching great after being traded away? I wonder if some other manager would have gotten more out of him in NY.
He is outstanding at this. I actually love Cashman and think he should be enshrined in monument park. But I also think management needs to be turned over every now and then.
It’s not unlike a TV series that would be better if it ended when it ran out of ideas, but it gets extended for 7 more because Showtime needs content. We’re in Dexter-is-committing-murder-with-his-sister territory now.
The work he did in 2016 & 2017 was unequivocally great. But our player development has stunk under Boone and he’s done a very poor job building out this solid core.
I happen to believe Judge is going to walk this winter, and when he does I think it’s best we start anew.
tonight’s game feels like a solid toss up…
both the phillies and cleveland came in to the playoffs “hot”…
here’s to hoping the yanks can get a win today…
I love that someone said the guardians and commanders sound like baseball single A affiliate names…
ha, that’s it exactly…
You are thinking of Jordan Montgomery. He is a black eye to both Cashman and Boone.
While Bader has been excellent, Montgomery was a tough, young lefty who probably would have been our game 2 starter. We could have gotten Bader for much less than that.
And when he got to St Louis, they made a few basic changes to his pitch selection and he instantly became dominant. That’s the kind of stuff you expect your manager to be able to do.
The Yankees have actually put together teams build pretty well for the playoffs for the most part. IIRC there’s some data indicating that teams with deep bullpens and teams that hit a lot of homers get something of a playoff boost, owing to the increased number of off days and higher quality pitching making it harder to string base hits together respectively. In past years the Yankees have had both.
The problem with this year’s team is the bullpen is a complete mess right now. I think it literally might be the worst playoff bullpen the Yankees have had in my lifetime. This has been quite relevant during the Guardians series in obvious ways.
It’s not really Cashman’s fault because we have something like 7+ key bullpen contributors injured right now, but even if we get passed the Guardians I just can’t see us making a real run with the bullpen in its current state.
I am looking at Kevin Porter Jr.’s numbers in light of his new deal and you know what, RJ’s deal is looking totally ok.
And then after a few starts, Montgomery turned back into exactly who he was before: a solid mid-to-back-of-rotation starter with craft but not a lot of stuff. I’d rather have Taillon starting tonight than have Montgomery back, and Bader has been an absolute godsend both in the outfield and in keeping Hicks mostly on the bench.
The trade looked bad at first, but I feel it has more than equalized now.
There is no defending the Donaldson/IKF trade, though. Blech.
Maybe time for one last preseason poll, Brian? Which contract would y’all be be most comfortable having on your books: RJ’s, Herro’s, Poole’s, or Porter Jr’s?
Oh, well this changes my view of it. Shams:
I’ve never seen a contract structured like that in the NBA. It makes sense for KPJ because the upside for him is pretty high, but I wonder if the players’ union isn’t thrilled. I get the impression they don’t want to see too many contracts with a fraction of the total money guaranteed.
And yeah, the Monty narrative took off after he got off to a great start with St. Louis, but Bader’s ALDS performance alone pretty much fully justifies the trade.
If this were true, their record in the playoffs wouldn’t be so poor. They have a twenty-year sample now of significantly underperforming in the postseason.
There’s a stat out there, I can’t find it right now, but when they match up with the Minnesota Twins in round 1 (a team they typically have a $100MM+ payroll advantage over), their record in the ALDS is like 12-2. When they play any team that they don’t have such a dominant payroll advantage over, their record is like 17-25.
Sure, sometimes we lost to the champs. But usually we played some very ordinary teams that got trounced in the next round (think about all those losses to the Tigers, and that crappy Angels team in 05).
There’s an argument to be made that the playoffs are a crapshoot, so any GM that can get you there as consistently as Cashman is gold. And I get that. I realize there is a strong counterargument. I just think every time this team fails, it happens in a familiar way that you saw coming a mile away.
Here’s hoping tonight bucks the trend!
The 111 win Dodgers, 101 win Braves, and 101 win Mets are all at home while the 89 win Padres and 89 win Phillies are battling it out. The Braves in particular played something like .700 baseball over the last four months and hardly ever seemed to lose.
Those teams aren’t out because their rosters weren’t well constructed for the post season, and the Phillies and Padres aren’t still playing because they have rosters that are particularly well suited for the postseason.
Trent Grisham from San Diego was one of the worst hitters in MLB this year, and during the playoffs he has hit like Ted Williams. This happens in baseball. There’s no rhyme or reason to it. “The playoffs are a crapshoot” is an axiom that is completely true.
Here’s an interesting take on the state of the NBA’s salary/tax structure in relation to building and sustaining a true contender.
https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/269004/The-Joys-And-Dangers-Of-The-All-Or-Nothing-NBA
Ok, that Kevin Porter deal makes a lot more sense then. Just saw the top line numbers.
Complete bizarre deal as someone noted. I think there should be more flexible NBA contracts but I agree the PU won’t like it.
My take is that the short series structure early in baseball playoffs is always going to favor the underdog. It’s a lot easier to get hot and/or lucky for 2 games out of 3, or even 3 games out of 5, than 4 games out of 7.
As someone once said, you’d need another 162 games if you want the best baseball team to win the series.
I don’t get why Porter Jr. would sign for those terms. Seems pretty stupid, unless you have zero confidence that you will live up to the first year numbers.
It is my personal belief that there are too many Porter Jrs in the league. If you have the last name Porter, and you think your son may possess basketball skills, please come up with an original name for him. Especially if your name is kind of dull like Kevin or Michael, and even if your name is totally awesome like Otto. Do it for the fans. Like Terry Porter did. (I’d even be okay with Commander Porter or Guardian Porter at this point.)
Kevin Porter’s contract, except for the big money, looks like a 2nd round rookie deal. Mitch’s first contract was structured like that. And it’s definitely odd given that he’s not a rookie.
Happy B’Day, Mike K! 😎
In the vein of ‘best shape of your life’:
Per Katz’s article at TheAthletic, which goes into more depth on changes Randle is making
Need a new poll:
What’s more generic?
(A) Washington Commanders
(B) Washington Football Team
I hope Randle knows that the rules in europe are not the same as in the NBA. 😛 One good thing about it is that here we play hard-nosed defense, so if he becomes a very good defender, that’ll be great.
Hey Bruno, how are you feeling about Brazil’s election? It’s like choosing from 2 types of bad, right? We go vote but feel like our vote went straight to the garbage, but hey it’s better to have the less bad candidate win, i guess.
This is a good take.
But given their a crapshoot, and we’ve been in them for 19 out of the last 21 years, what does it say that Cashman’s never rolled a 7? I think it’s a fair question.
I remember reading an article on Fangraphs quantifying how there really isn’t a huge difference between best of 5 and best of 7 in arriving at the “right” outcome. The better team is going to lose a lot.
Team records also (obviously) don’t always perfectly reflect team strength. Injuries and deadline additions can change the mix quite a bit.
I think the baseball playoffs work ok. You get a lot more pennant chases and a lot more elimination games and that is good on balance.
I mean it’s not a bad number to top out at until age 25, but just so weird to give all the upside leverage to the team. He certainly hasn’t earned a guaranteed 4-year deal at anything close to that number.
Mitch had a nice crossover and dunk over Plumlee of Charlotte last year. It’s definitely in his repertoire.
“The Yankees have actually put together teams build pretty well for the playoffs for the most part.”
It always seemed to me that the best formula for the playoff baseball is 2-3 very high level starters, a good bullpen, and the ability to score even when you aren’t hitting homeruns.
The Yankees have had some great closers, but imo at times they relied too much on home runs. And even when they had good starting pitching, when the rotations shortened up in the playoffs the other team had a better 1-3 starters and 4-5 didn’t matter as much.
Homeruns are obviously extremely important, but they are more volatile than other methods of scoring. I guess the parallel would be 3 point shooting. You are going to win a ton of games in the regular season with pretty good shooters shooting loads of 3s, but some players are going to get shut down, fall apart from the pressure, or just randomly have a very bad stretch in the playoffs. That could very well be the best teams in the regular season.
IMO you can’t be overly reliant on that unless maybe you have Curry, Durant, and guys like that. You have to be able to score in other ways if things are not going well from 3 for whatever reason. Same with homeruns.
If my math is correct the Yankees are 60-59 in playoff games over the last 20 years and 11-12 in series. If your null hypothesis is that short series baseball between good teams is basically random, those results look like pretty much what you’d expect to me.
“Those teams aren’t out because their rosters weren’t well constructed for the post season, and the Phillies and Padres aren’t still playing because they have rosters that are particularly well suited for the postseason.”
Nothing in this world is black and white except black and white. There are no magic formulas, but team construction matters in baseball because the game changes in the playoffs. Rotations shorten up and there’s a lot more pressure, which seems to impact more hitters than pitchers.
The shorter the series, the more likely “other shit” will happen. The more series to play, the more likely your flaws will be exposed. That’s the nature of probabilities.
“Owen says:
October 17, 2022 at 12:08
I remember reading an article but there really isn’t a huge difference between best of 5 and best of 7 in arriving at the “right” outcome. The better team is going to lose a lot.
Team records also (obviously) don’t always perfectly reflect team strength. Injuries and deadline additions can change the mix quite a bit.
I think the baseball playoffs work ok. You get a lot more pennant chases and a lot more elimination games and that is good on balance.”
Interesting, seems counterintuitive. But yeah, I think on balance it works out better than prior formats.
“Homeruns are obviously extremely important, but they are more volatile than other methods of scoring.”
The data indicates the opposite is true. Teams that score primarily by stringing hits together and being scrappy and all that struggle more in the playoffs than teams that score primarily via homers: https://viewsfrom314ft.com/the-yankees-october-and-the-myth-of-too-many-home-runs/
Reading what people write and twisting it into something totally different so you can call it null by citing information that doesn’t refute the original hypothesis is a big part of what we do here.
Yeah, lots of guys like Keith Olbermann ripping on the MLB playoffs. One refrain I see out there is to make all playoff series involving division winners at 7 games. Maybe trim the regular season back to 154 games to allocate the time needed.
IIRC, the owners wanted even more teams (14) in the playoffs than the players (10). They compromised at 12.
Don’t know if he was watching defense, but that’s on me for not providing more context.
He’s looking at the offensive side of the ball to learn more about playing off ball and making quicker decisions instead of pounding the ball 20 times while the defense loads up.
Maybe he’s watching their defense too (hopefully), but who knows
I think the argument against this, is that the Yankees spending $100M more than their opponents should win more often than the null hypothesis dictates.
Alternatively, you could look at the win differential between the Yankees and their opponents in a series and see how often are expected to win compared to other series with similar win differentials
I honestly have no idea what you’re taking umbrage to but I didn’t “twist” anything. I was curious what the Yankees postseason record was over the last 20 years, so I looked it up and thought it added some context to the discussion so I posted it. “Null hypothesis” is a term with a specific meaning btw, not a shot at anyone.
The Dodgers have been the best team in baseball for like a decade and have 1 championship to show for it, baseball playoffs are tough.
In the vein of ‘best shape of your life’
Yeah but it is a more interesting thing to tell reporters you’ve worked on during the summer. Like he didn’t say “I watched a lot of game tape” or “I’m in the best shape of my life.” He said “I watched a lot of European basketball.” That’s a very specific thing to say. I kind of like it.
100% I agree this is the right next step, but probably beyond the scope of a comment on a basketball blog.
“The data indicates the opposite is true. Teams that score primarily by stringing hits together and being scrappy and all that struggle more in the playoffs than teams that score primarily via homers:”
What I am taking about is volatility.
That data is looking at many teams and many series and saying homeruns are betting than scrapping. Well sure. lol
Imagine you are the inferior team in a basketball short series. You shoot 3s OK but are nothing special at it and you are playing against a team that is very good at 3s and very dependent on it .
IMO, one of the best ways to try to beat them in a short series would be to jack up a lot of 3s and get in a shootout because that would increase the “luck” factor.
One of the most common ways for them to blow it would be to jack up a lot of 3s and have a rough series. They would have the superior, but more volatile approach.
The team that ultimately wins the championship will probably be a team that shoots a lot of 3s and well, but it may not be the best team.
So what I am saying is that homeruns matter and will contribute to winning in a major way, but if your offense is TOO geared that way you are opening the door wider to volatility and getting beat by an inferior team along the way.
It’s not black and white.
It’s not homeruns vs. no homeruns.
It’s balance vs. being too geared towards homeruns.
“The team that ultimately wins the championship will probably be a team that shoots a lot of 3s and well, but it may not be the best team.:
I want my team to shoot 3s and shoot them well, but I don’t want to turn them into Morey’s Rockets. A more extreme version opens the door to volatility getting you beat by an inferior team. Instead of adjusting by trying to build a team that was little less reliant on 3s in the playoffs and that could score in other ways if the 3s weren’t dropping, his approach was to try to get so ridiculously extreme it would take the greater volatility out, but that failed.
I think it’s useful to pose the question, even if we can’t answer it. Lets people think more clearly about how we judge the information we do have.
I’m also hoping someone else takes the initiative to actually do this… where’s ptmilo when you need him?
And everyone knows that one doesn’t even count.
It really doesn’t matter how your roster is constructed when it comes to the MLB preseason.
San Diego’s roster was constructed with a hitter who hits like Endy Chavez playing CF, and in the playoffs he has hit like Babe Ruth if Babe Ruth laid off the hot dogs and beer and got more swole. That kind of randomness is not something you can account for. You’ll drive yourself nuts trying to put together the playoff baseball roster that can overcome stuff like that.
Shhhh! Can’t tell that to the folks out here (or at least my coworkers) lmao.
Taking this outside of baseball, the Giants and Jets are 5-1 and 4-2 respectively. I just feel that this is a bit of a bizarre time right now – so who the hell knows if the Yanks can win today and finally get even with Houston.
We’ve been talking about a range of 38 to 44 wins for the Knicks. But who knows? lol
The issue with aggregating the Yankees playoff numbers is the Minnesota Twins are a significant fly in the ointment.
The Yankees have played the Twins 5 times. They are 5-0 in those series, with a 15-2 record. In four of those series, the Twins entered with an average payroll of $55mm vs $187mm for the Yankees (and in the 5th it was $131MM vs $225MM).
This is an outlier, a fluke, an aberration, whatever you want to call it. It’s not indicative of a normal playoff series, and it’s fair to analyze the data without it.
And without it, the Yankees have a 37-52 mark in the postseason and are 5-12 in series. 3 of their series wins came in one year, the one after they spent literally a billion dollars in the offseason.
I get that it’s a crapshoot, but this is a very large sample. And we tend to see the same exact things every year:
1) Cashman’s prized pitching acquisition bombs
2) the yankees enter with a dominant bullpen but their starting pitchers can’t go more than 3 or 4 innings and it gets overworked and worn down, and by the end of the series the once-dominant relievers are no longer dominant.
3) the lineup is littered with easy outs and subpar defensive players. Sometimes, like in the case of IKF or Starlin Castro, an individual is both.
Strat,
What you’re saying about reducing variance makes a lot more sense in basketball than in baseball in my opinion. In baseball the margins you’re starting from between the stronger and weaker teams are much thinner. I’m not convinced you can really build a team good enough that you not only have a significant edge against other playoff teams but that you can start focusing on reducing your variance rather than just optimizing your mean and still have much edge left over. Then add in the additional constraint that you still need to be focused enough on the regular season strength of the roster to reliably make the playoffs. Tough nut to crack.
Since I am more psyched for the Knicks opener than for either baseball or football, I am going to repost this from a week ago, with some minor tweeks based on feedback here and from observations during last 2 preseason games:
So realistically, assuming everyone is healthy, what are the likely rotation minutes distribution when the season opens, for like the first 20 games? Here’s my guess for average minutes and (range):
RJ 32 (28-36)
Julius 30 (26-34)
Brunson 28 (26-30)
Mitch 28 (26-30)
Fournier 25 (20-30)
IQ 22 (18-22)
Grimes 21 (17-25)
Rose 18 (14-22)
Obi 20 (16-24)
Hartenstein 16 (14-18)
Deuce, Sims and Cam: situational, in that order
These minutes distributions are predicated on some assumptions:
-Certain player’s minutes will vary significantly from game to game. For example, the balance between Obi and Julius will depend more on performance and matchups than last year, and I think Thibs is going to try to get Julius more rest.
-Hartenstein is a big X factor in minutes distribution. While I expect that Thibs is going to try to get Mitch over the 30-minute mark in more games than not, there will be some limited times when Thibs either goes with Hart, or for Julius and Obi together, or plays Sims a few minutes here and there. Mitch will still get into foul trouble once every 3-4 games and that will organically boost Hart’s average minutes or going small for short spells.
-Another X-factor is how hard is Thibs going to ride Brunson. Is he going to go full Secretariat like D’Antoni did with Lin, or is he going to try to keep him fresh?
-Grimes vs. Fournier will be interesting to watch. The thing that weighs most heavily in Fournier’s favor is his ability to hit shots under pressure at the end of close games. Grimes has yet to prove that he can do that. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Thibs goes with a lineup of Brunson (or Rose), IQ, RJ, Randle and Mitch (or Hart) down the stretch of games. Mitch’s FT% has to be a concern in those situations, so maybe Hart gets some burn, or even an offense-defense thing with Obi and Julius together on O.
“So what I am saying is that homeruns matter and will contribute to winning in a major way, but if your offense is TOO geared that way you are opening the door wider to volatility and getting beat by an inferior team along the way.”
And what I’m saying is historically, teams that derive a significant portion of their runs from home runs are less vulnerable to being beaten by inferior teams than those that do not.
The mistake you’re making is assuming that the stringing hits together approach doesn’t come with volatility of its own, but that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Realistically this conversation starts and ends with the data, but just think about it using common sense. If you require 3-4 hits to score a single run, why would your team be any less prone to offensive droughts than a homer dependent team? What’s more likely against the elite pitching you see in the playoffs, punishing a single mistake or scratching, like, 8 hits together?
The “homer dependent teams lose in the playoffs” thing is something people want to be true for weird ideological reasons, but there’s nothing to it.
This is nothing new, really. Some of the best teams in baseball history lost in the postseason, even when there was no playoffs, when the postseason was just the World Series.
The 1906 Cubs won 116 games and lost in the World Series to a 93 win team. The 1954 Cleveland Indians won 111 games and got swept in the World Series. There’s just not that much difference between the very great teams and the very good teams in baseball. It’s a coin flip. Make the playoffs every year and hope for the best.
I have no idea how minutes will play out, I’d guess more for Randle and less for Toppin though.
But I am interested in the closing lineup that theoretically includes any of Rose/Grimes/Fournier/IQ.
I’m guessing Rose gets it because Thibs.
Is the HR thing true for World Series winners in the last 20 years or so? I mean most WS champs seem to have a slugger or two but they also have guys that grind out at-bats vs. tough pitchers. Seems like the winners are the more balanced teams, not teams that rely on just one way of winning.
I think Brunson is getting 32 minutes a game. Which means IQ gets 20 and Rose 16. Sigh. I just can’t imagine Thibs playing him less, unless it’s a laugher. In the Knicks’ favor.
just to piggyback on what’s been posted so far – i’m in episode 7 of the house of dragons…the good – slow pacing sets, costumes, cgi…i’m also kind of digging the major soap opera vibe…
it’s been a while since i read the story…the Dying of the Dragons, is less than three hundred pages, so, yeah slow pacing is the way to go…
bad – the lighting, holy cow, a bunch of the time the lighting has been worse than in the Battle of Winterfell…messed with my visual setting on the tv and still can hardly see what’s happening on screen…
i’m resisting the urge to go through and re-read the story…we’ll see how long i can hold out…
This is obviously an uber-simplistic way of looking at the upcoming season, but I can’t seem to help continually going back to it. Just think about how awful last season was: Randle was a mess, Rose was out basically the entire season, Mitch was out and then out-of-shape for a good portion of the season, Kemba was Kemba, and Quickley had an extended shooting slump.
And we somehow still won 37 games.
Now we’ve added Brunson and Hartenstein, both good additions. Barring major injuries to major players, how can we *not* think that we’re in line for 44 or 45 wins this time around?
I get it. But if every series is a coin flip, and you’re losing 71% of those series over 20 years, isn’t it fair to expect something closer to 50%?
I get it. But if every series is a coin flip, and you’ve lost 71% of those series over 20 years, isn’t it fair to question why it’s not closer to 50%?
I’ve got a feeling Brunson is going to play the most minutes of anyone on this team. I hope he’s ready.
This is obviously an uber-simplistic way of looking at the upcoming season, but I can’t seem to help continually going back to it. Just think about how awful last season was: Randle was a mess, Rose was out basically the entire season, Mitch was out and then out-of-shape for a good portion of the season, Kemba was Kemba, and Quickley had an extended shooting slump.
And we somehow still won 37 games.
Now we’ve added Brunson and Hartenstein, both good additions. Barring major injuries to major players, how can we *not* think that we’re in line for 44 or 45 wins this time around?
I read in another forum that, since 2000 in MLB playoff series, the teams with the better regular season record are winning right at a .500 clip. I don’t know if that is true or the OP made it up, but if so, it’d confirm what JK47 is saying.
And as for hot players driving a team, the ’69 Mets had all that great pitching, but vs. an on paper better team (Baltimore), it helped that very light-hitting 2b Al Weiss had 5 hits and 5 RBI in 5 games including a HR. He also drew 4 walks.
The disappointing Dodgers, for instance, have won 10 series and lost 9 since their run began in 2013. That’s a team losing via crapshoot.
The Red Sox have won 16 and lost 7. The Astros won 10 out of 15. Even the Mets have won 3 out of 5.
The Yankees have lost 12 out of 17 series that are not against the Minnesota Twins and their $55MM payroll. Even if you count the 5 sweeps of Minnesota, they’re still 10-12.
There’s something in these numbers beyond “crapshoot.” There’s a consistent design flaw.
“Now we’ve added Brunson and Hartenstein, both good additions. Barring major injuries to major players, how can we *not* think that we’re in line for 44 or 45 wins this time around?”
The most likely answer to this question is that the East has improved overall, so what got you to 37 wins last year (which also included some meaningless wins just before and then after we were officially eliminated) wouldn’t do that this year. If you accept that premise, and assume that last year’s team was more of a 32-34 win team, you are talking about a 10-12 game improvement over last year’s performance. That’s a tall order.
Still, you never know with a Thibs-coached regular season team.
I think a legit question that E brings up all the time is how our regular season record aligns with out playoff potential. In other words, is grinding our regular season wins distorting how far the Knicks are from being an actual “winning” team?
For me, it doesn’t matter as much as it might to others because perception is a significant part of being attractive to stars, disgruntled or otherwise. Give me the 44 wins and I’ll roll with that into next offseason.
Z said: “The most likely answer to this question is that the East has improved overall, so what got you to 37 wins last year (which also included some meaningless wins just before and then after we were officially eliminated) wouldn’t do that this year.”
I mean, yeah, I guess so, but I also always tend to think that although we won some games that we rightfully should have lost, we probably also lost just as many games that we probably should have won. IOW, I tend to think that stuff evens out over the course of a season.
Thanks to the well wishers.
Feels like the late 90s Yankees were the type of string-3-hits together type of offense. Sure they brought in the Fielders, and Strawberries, and Cansecos, and Justices. But the core lineup was Jeter, Bernie, O’Neill, Posada, and Tino, the first three being more likely to go 2-5 than hit a three run homer. They were more OBP than SLG.
Toss in good (but not great) veteran starters like Cone, Pettitte, El Duque, and Wells. Then add perhaps the best bullpen(s) in baseball history. Oh and a darned good in-game manager. (Don’t get me started on Boone.)
It’s so interesting that they had such good balance. Many players that were good in multiple facets of the game: get on base, hit for power, field, throw, run.
And then they went all in on Oakland’s model. A-Rod, Giambi, Sheffield, and an in-balanced roster. The “get an old starting pitcher” strategy backfired as noted previously. Or more importantly it wasn’t implemented well — pitchers that were too old & over the hill.
Not sure I have a point here. Surely this Yankee team could win it all. A lineup with Judge, Stanton, & Rizzo hitting their stride, toss in a hot hand here & there (currently Bader). Cole has been very good in the playoffs, Nestor and Sevvy could also round out a solid playoff rotation.
But it’s not an ideal playoff team. Too many holes in the lineup. IKF? Hicks? Donaldson? No catcher has gotten a hit. The bullpen is hit or miss. And Boone at the helm?
We complain about Thibs, but at least Thibs is good at some facets of the game. Could Thibs win a championship with a good team? Absolutely. Could Boone? Only if they carry his sad *ss all the way.
Anyway not sure I have a point here. Just random thoughts.
The age of analytics has made it that much harder for the “string three hits together” approach to work. Aggressive shifts, precise batted ball data, Pitch F/X, knowledge of launch angle, proper understanding of relief pitcher leverage, those things have all subtracted base hits from the game, to the point where it’s just easier to hit the ball over everybody and out of the yard.
You can make the argument that the game was more entertaining before all of this, but all 30 teams embracing advanced stats definitely leveled the playing field a lot. I think it’ll be a while before you see a team roll to three straight championships like those 90’s Yankees teams.
I miss Buddy “Launch Angle” Harrelson…
I actually think it’s inconceivable for this team to win it all.
This team has all the classic Cashman flaws:
1. It has easy outs up and down the lineup.
2. There’s no left-handed hitting.
3. None of the starting pitchers he’s acquired (other than the one he spent $325MM on) are good.
4. The bullpen has to carry an impossible load.
And the manager is Aaron Boone. That one’s new, but the others have been around for 15 years now.
I don’t know what the blueprint is to build a team ideally suited for October, but I know this ain’t it.
You can’t ignore the Twins series though.
As for this season’s Yankees, it’s just wrong to say they don’t have any good starting pitching other than Cole. Nestor was actually their best pitcher by a significant margin and Severino is also a significantly above average pitcher. The problem with this team is the hitting (and probably Boone)
hi mike k…happy birthday sir 🙂
any favorite birthday meals or routines?
some great baseball insight today…much appreciated…
not really nervous about tonight…
i’ve been able to adopt donnie’s knick fandom commitment philosophy to other stuff, like the yanks…gave up on the g-men long ago, although – looks like brian daboll may pull me back in…
what i got from donnie was basically: fuck it, it ain’t really that important – coupled with, spend your time and emotions more wisely…
but yeah, i like the way you guys look at baseball…a lot of it has been spot on…
interested to see what these new rule changes for next season will bring…
i mean, is there any sport (along with its athletes) that hasn’t drastically evolved over the last 2 decades?
Happy birthday!
“I don’t know what the blueprint is to build a team ideally suited for October, but I know this ain’t it.”
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There isn’t one. There’s no blueprint, there’s no reason. When you consider it closely, that’s what the term “crapshoot” means. It means when you lose, there really isn’t much of a “reason” and when you win there really isn’t much of a “reason.” Of course what happens is that when a higher seed loses, people search for a “reason” and many of them proclaim that they’ve found one. But they never have.
And when a higher seed wins, the profferred reason is inevitably that they’re a better team. Many times that’s true, but it isn’t the reason they won three games before the other team.
You play five baseball games, really shitty teams will win three of them against really good teams. A lot. This is unique to baseball. There’s nothing to be done about it, other than going back to two siloed leagues playing only each other and then the champions playing a one-round World Series. Which is never going to happen. (In theory, you could mostly remedy the problem by making each series something like best-of-11 or best-of-13. Or make the playoffs double-elimination. Since that would generate more playoff games and since playoff games are the only thing national networks will pay for, it wouldn’t be shocking if some day, this or something like it is what we have.)
Anyway, we’re down to barely more than an hour to go before the Knicks risk making Cam Reddish a free agent.
dang, i knew i shouldn’t have ordered those home/away and throwback cam reddish jerseys…
I was wrong. Guardian Commander is actually a terrible Steven Seagal movie where he plays a CIA agent who vows brutal revenge against a global crime boss when a member of his own team is killed.
“dang, i knew i shouldn’t have ordered those home/away and throwback cam reddish jerseys…”
i’ll trade you one of my porzingis’ and throw in a mark sanchez jet home jersey for one reddish jersey…
Playoff results seem like a normal distribution to me.
The Yankees dynasty teams were also really really good before measures were taken to level the playing field and the rest of the league caught up.
I would actually argue that historically the lack of upsets in the NBA is a bigger problem than the opposite in MLB. And I would love to see an analysis of the NFL and NHL. Upsets seem to be the rule.
At least playoff basketball is so much fun it doesn’t really matter.
Watched the new Jeremy Lin doc last night. Pretty good and it’s still hard to believe Linsanity happened. The dude was on the cover of SI two weeks in a row!
The only ex-Knicks who get significant air time are Tyson Chandler (who comes across as a really cool dude) and Shump (who is totally baked)
You can’t ignore them, no.
But you also can’t ignore the fact that most teams who make the playoffs don’t have a $180MM to $55MM payroll advantage. The 5-26 record they’ve accumulated in the postseason since the expansion of the playoff format proves they’re something of an outlier.
So you look at both.
Including the Twins, the Yankees have fared worse than the typical playoff team, and significantly worse than their AL counterparts in Houston and Boston.
Excluding the Twins, the Yankees have been abysmal.
Neither paints a great picture.
Personally I just really think baseball is not really conducive to a tournament-style playoffs for all the reasons that have been discussed. A fun (in my opinion, your milage may vary) format a friend and I dreamed up a long time ago is getting rid of the tournament-style playoffs altogether and instead doing a roughly month-long mini-league with the playoff qualifiers. 8 teams (you could still do quick wild card rounds if you want I guess), each team plays the other 7 teams 5 times apiece (3 times at the home of the team with the better record, 2 times away) for a 35 game mini season (you’d shorten the regular season along with this change). Scheduling it would not be trivial and I doubt the networks would ever go for this because it would feel too much like “more regular season” but I think this would make the playoffs more representative and feel more like baseball. You could just give the trophy to the team with the best record at the end of that, or have a 7-game World Series for the two best teams at the end of the month.
I should clarify because that was not what I meant.
I meant that every year Cashman goes out and gets someone to bolster the rotation, and every year that pitcher is not good. This year that’s Frankie Montas. Before that it was JA Happ. Before that it was Sonny Gray.
Taillon is another one of his prize acquisitions. I hope he makes me eat my words but I’ll be shocked if he pitches 4 good innings tonight.
This is brilliant. It would almost certainly give you a true champion. Although you’d need something for ties. But that’s simple — even something as simple as a single game elimination, unless there were an odd number of teams.
But from a viewing standpoint, this wouldn’t be very interesting. A Super Bowl, Finals, March Madness, etc. has a singular feel. It’s very easy to understand “the winner between these two teams, is the best.” How the heck would you do that with 35 games? Even as a Yankee fan, I don’t know how much commitment I’d give to 35 games. Or when I’d get excited… Like what if the Yankees are up 5 games with 10 to go.
It’s could be (and often might be) anti-climactic.
Yankee game in rain delay. Uggh! The stadium needs a dome.
I am for analytics at times. Baseball has broken. I am tired of the shift, the 3 outcome at bat, batting your slugger first, no more stealing bases, no more bunting. Don’t tell me that Boone isn’t driven by analytics. You may not know all the analytics that he is working with. My Yankee lineup for tonight: 1) Bader 2) Rizzo 3) Torres 4) Judge 5) Stanton 6) Cabrera 7) Donaldson 8) Trevino 9) Hicks. Note that these are the player Boone is playing tonight.
If I missed discussion about Elijah Moore I apologize. Rich Cimini is vying for this year’s Manish Mehta award. He set the kid up for that. Zach Wilson threw the ball 18 times (17 actual targets). Only 10 times to receivers. It was Green Bay’s game plan which altered the Jets playbook to run the ball more. NY sports media stinks. I hear Marc Berman is no longer covering the Knicks 🙂
On to the Knicks. I think the Knicks, as constituted, are a 42 win team. That being said, I also think the February Knick team will look much different than the October version. The article above that proposes a Fournier, Rose, Toppin + a 2023 First-Round Pick (DAL via NYK) for Klay Thompson is the scale of a trade I expect to see. (I’m not commenting on that trade itself, just the scale). The Knicks have a huge surplus of assets and will be compelled to trade them. Converting 6 good assets for 1 superior asset would will work for the team. I can see it meaning 5+ games to the win total and a deep run in the playoffs.
Baseball is broken. I miss pitchers who would throw complete games
-Guy in 1990
Baseball is broken. I miss when there were 8 teams in each league and no playoffs
-Guy in 1970
Baseball is broken. I hate all these home runs and miss the days when it was all about base hits and stealing bases
-Guy in 1930
Baseball is broken. I miss the days when you’d have one pitcher and he’d pitch every day
-Guy in 1910
Baseball is broken. I miss the days when fielders didn’t wear gloves and the pitchers didn’t make the ball curve
-Guy in 1890
@JK47 –
Ha ha!
I actually agree. I’ve often said that the one baseball tradition is the tradition of change. What is different now is that the changes in the game this time is not a rule change (raising the mound, expansion, introduction of the DH, changing the baseball, allowing black players or banning the spitball). This is due strictly to math. Why do games take 4 hours? It shouldn’t. I’m all for the changes that will be implemented next year: The pitch clock, batter time-out restrictions, larger bases and elimination of the shifts.
Yeah, I think the rule changes for next year will be beneficial and make the game better. I’m also all-in for the robo umps.
I also think the changes next year will be good. Pitch clock and rules to keep players in the box especially.
Tell you what I’d do if I was a baseball manager. For all the guys who get that big-ass shift, I’d have them spend all of spring training practicing hard bunts down the third base line. Automatic double every time.
Now that’s analytics.
Why haven’t they called this game already? It’s going to rain til approximately 11pm and tomorrow’s a perfect fall day.
Seems like the rain might ebb enough to start at ten?
Apparently MLB makes the calls
Tmw 407. Pretty dumb to put everyone through that
One option was moving today’s game up to 4:07. Another was just calling it as soon as it became obvious it wasn’t gonna be playable. A third was holding everyone hostage for three hours before announcing it was rained out, and there are no refunds if you can’t make it tomorrow during the work day.
Guess which one MLB chose?
> any favorite birthday meals or routines?
Nope. I just go with the flow.
I suspect this is the same as shooting free throws underhand. Players are resistant to do it because it goes against the manly code of tough sports men. You don’t bunt against the shift! You pull the ball even harder!
To be honest, I was hoping the shift would stay. Because eventually at the lower levels you’d get a generation of hitters that would learn to hit the other way. The reason every hitter tries to tear the cover off the ball today is because the best players of the last generation did it. With the shift, some will figure out they can be like Boggs or Carew and sometimes go the other way. And eventually analytics would find value in those players.
You might get a bunch of Ichiro types who can hit it anywhere, bunt, and run. Which would be exciting as well.
I’ve got to say, I really want the Knicks to do better than the Lakers this season. The Lakers get so much slack from the pundits and the Knicks get none. Look at this from ESPN’s article today from their season preview
For all its faults , FiveThirtyEight just uses numbers to make a season prediction. The numbers say the Lakers were bad the last two years and didn’t improve their personnel, so FineThirtyEight predicts a lousy team. That should be the default position for everyone analyzing the Lakers. But no, the pundits predict 10 games better than the numbers. By the pundits the Lakers are significantly better than the Knicks. I hope the Knicks prove them wrong.
MLB controlled the Yankee the game postponement. Dumb as can be. What are they doing for the fans? Once again, Yankee Stadium needs a dome.
Robo umps get a thumbs-up from me. I used to umpire. It ain’t easy, in fact, impossible to see every pitch as it crosses the plate. Every umpire knows this. Umpires stick their heads between the batter and catcher heads. The catcher blocks the view of the t low outside pitch as it crosses the plate.
@Raven is a Big Black Bird:
It’s absurd that they don’t! Better than that, learn how to slap the ball the other way!
RE: 37 wins
I don’t buy that the East is somehow a powerhouse conference overnight. Last year #1 seed Miami had 53 wins and they’re having some issues. Boston at #2 seed with 51 wins won’t be as good either. More importantly, the tank-a-thon is going to be worse ever this season and it won’t start in February like it does in previous years. You think Knicks winning late last year was a fluke? Think again. Knicks will win a lot more games in 2023 because the following teams are likely to shut it down. Charlotte, Washington, Indiana, Detroit, Orlando, Houston, Utah, Portland, Sacramento, San Antonio, etc. There are going to be a lot of teams with a strategic goal of below 20 wins. I counted 19 games against these tanking teams on our schedule from 12/31, that we are likely to win 15. Add ~45% win rate against non tanking teams in 2023 and baseline scenario should be 44-48 wins. However, there will be 3-4 teams with 60+ wins. The gap between winners and loosers this season may be at an all time high.
Pretty amazing bit about Van Gundy and Novak
https://twitter.com/michaelvpina/status/1582064699989905409?s=21&t=yQBazpx_gC6nUjUvWcYE-Q
Director NYC, that’s a nice point. I think you might want to add Chicago as a possible tanking team. FiveThirtyEight predicts 35 wins while ESPN pundits predict 44 wins. In this case the numbers could right and Chicago might join the race to the bottom.
It’s easy to say that teams are going to shut it down, but the reality is that Portland just went all-in with Dame, the Wiz just went all-in with Beal, and Sacramento has Fox and Sabonis plus a bunch of solid role players. There is a non-zero chance that we will be behind all of those teams in the standing.
Ten teams will be outside the play-in. They are very likely to include: ORL, DET, IND, CHA, UTA, HOU, SAS, and OKC. Then it gets pretty competitive for the last 2 play-in spots. In the East, I can see WAS, NYK, CHI and TOR battling it out for the 9 and 10 spots, with none of them advancing to the first round. In the West it looks like a 5-team race for spots 7-10 with DAL, LAL, NOP, POR and SAC fighting it out, but that’s just a wild guess, any of those teams could overachieve.
And as we showed last year vs, OKC and ORL, we are perfectly capable of losing to tanking teams. Houston in particular looks dangerous.
I’m wondering how much the 538 rankings are affected by injuries. If LBJ or AD are healthier the Lakers will look a lot more like what ESPN predicts.
But yeah, I’m skeptical of both them and the Bulls.
On the flipside it could then be underrating the Knicks if Randle bounces back and Rise is relatively healthy
Fwiw, 538 projects IQ as a future all-star
Re: East is tougher this year!
Other than Cleveland and Brooklyn, which EC team got better at a higher rate than NY Knicks? – Hawks? – JB >Murray – Think all other teams trail us.
“Unless God don’t got it in his plans for me to play Wednesday, I’m playing Wednesday.” -Zion Williamson on his impending return to professional basketball
Things we already know: God hates New Orleans; God is a Nets fan.
I’m going to guess Zion doesn’t play on Wednesday.
Barring major injuries, I think the Lakers and Knicks will take the last play-in spots.
Are we going to have a season win loss prediction thread?