Knicks Morning News (2022.10.02)

I’d like to ask for the sad discussion of the last thread to be left there, so we can start new topics of discussion in this thread. Yesterday’s thread gave me some bobneptune vibes because there were posters i wasn’t reading comments, and that is certainly a low point, at least for me.

The article above about Quick is a good read, and left me thinking. If Grimes is in a walking boot, i’d prefer to start Quick at SG instead of Fournier. He can be a good defender, he has a 6’8 wingspan.

I’m not sure why Quick doesn’t get consideration for the starting SG position. He had one horrendous streak of about 15 games or so last season (the Knicks were horrible during the same period) but other than that he played well.

Off topic, I took a break from my morning walk to grab some water from our back patio. And I saw that our glass patio table had entirely shattered. We left the umbrella open, and the overnight winds must have yanked it out in a bad way. Spent about an hour sweeping up the shards and triple bagging them. I’m very tired now.

Alan, that’s bad. Maybe try another material for the next table? I hate glass because when it’s shattered, it’s a lot of work to try to not leave pieces around. Trying to be positive, now your sunday can only get better!

I’m not sure why Quick doesn’t get consideration for the starting SG position.

I was favoring Grimes, because after spending a whole season trying to get Quick to learn the PG position, i thought it’d be best for him to keep being a PG on the 2nd unit. But Brunson isn’t a dominant PG, so maybe we can use a 2 PG lineup?

“This chicanery’s list suggests that the most common way to a championship is to combine hiring a name free agent with a trade for a star. And of the two teams that drafted their top star , one did so in the middle of the first round. It’s not supporting tanking as the way to go.”

Every thread devolves into a whine fest about our approach when becoming a contender is obviously more about luck and execution than approach. This has already been studied statistically by a bunch of people.

The one thing that makes me laugh is that rebuilding through the draft is almost certainly going to involve luck, disappointment, and a lot of years. Just accumulating the players takes a few years. Then they have to develop, get playoff experience, you have to add missing pieces etc.. That’s if everything goes perfectly and you draft a couple of stars right away instead a few years into it. The point is it takes patience. I think everyone understands that.

Yet no one seems to have any patience with the players we have drafted or in our ability to use our assets.

We know why we are in this position.

KP got an ACL injury and we took garbage for him in a trade for a chance to sign free agents. We failed AGAIN because we sucked.

We had no 1st round pick the next year (goes back years).

We misfired badly with Knox.

We dropped in the lottery, drafted RJ, and so far he hasn’t broken out into the kind of player that can be a major option.

Ironically, the major problem has been our luck and execution in the draft, but most of that was from before Rose and company.

Again, we are absolutely loaded with young players and picks.

This is far from over. It’s going to take several more years to see this through. The goal is very simple. Get better every year, try to develop one of our young players into a major scoring option, and remain in a position to add a significant player at a later date.

“cybersoze says:
October 2, 2022 at 08:36
I’d like to ask for the sad discussion of the last thread to be left there, so we can start new topics of discussion in this thread. Yesterday’s thread gave me some bobneptune vibes because there were posters i wasn’t reading comments, and that is certainly a low point, at least for me.”

I’m good with that. In fact, I’d be good with a moratorium on rehashing positions on where this FO stands and prospects for the future beyond this season, like until the season opener or November 1 or something like that. We all pretty much know where each other stands and until we have actual game data, there’s really nowhere further to go.

Sorry about your table, Alan. Glass is always a pain to clean up.

Speaking of which, the scenes from Florida’s west coast are pretty gut-wrenching. I would guess that many of us have family and friends down there. It will take years for some of those places to become anything close to normal again.

Yes, the shattered table is an incredibly minor inconvenience compared to what people at the heart of the storm are feeling.

And I’m in favor of Z-man’s suggestion for a moratorium on global takes on the teams prospects for now. Lines have been drawn, positions have been clearly stated, and no one‘s going to budge at this point. There’s a bit of basketball news to talk about during training camp, but also there’s plenty of off-topic stuff to discuss between now and when serious things start happening with this team.

Deeefense, I don’t know what relevance the text you quoted from me has to the text you wrote. I made an observation based on the data this chicanery posted. I didn’t comment on building through the draft or anything of the sort. In fact, If anything the data results I noticed suggest building through the draft is not all it’s sometimes cracked up to be. Yet you seem to imply that my post was part of a whine fest. What does my post have that made you say that?

Rightfully so, everyone raved about the physical shape Randle is in- but NO ONE has mentioned how much stronger Obi looks. I’d still like for him to adopt whatever Kawhi’s leg routine is, but Obi looks like he’s physically stronger and ready to rebound and defend more. This team has its warts..but has anyone realized that we have a team of mostly young, talented gym rats? Even the older vets work really hard to get in great shape. Matter of fact, the only player on the roster that has been questioned as far as “motor” goes is Cam, and all signs are pointing to him shedding that image too. Maybe Mitch a little bit. How can you not root for this roster? I’m not in love with the roster, but it sure seems like they are a great match for Thibs’ culture (which he undoubtedly got from Riles), and they’re actually young. All this hand-wringing we’ve all been doing, and Leon has actually put an ideal roster to build with together. Sure- the top end talent’s not there, but this is actually the type of roster(or close to it) that we’ve wanted since JVG. Young, deep, good length, and hard working. I’m excited to see what Thibs does with this unit. I just hope he doesn’t unnecessarily over-extend minutes so he can keep his team fresh enough.

“It’s going to take several more years to see this through.”

Thank god we didn’t tank. Takes too long.

How about a moratorium on calling people an asshole, Alan?

I really don’t think our varying opinions of the Rose Administration is what sparked yesterday.

A Knicks blog where global takes on the Knicks’ prospects and future are verboten.

Ummm … ok, then?????

I guess the (what should be unnecessary) counsel on adults getting to discuss things they want to discuss in the way they want to discuss them didn’t get much traction in the hoped-for precincts. Optimism will remain the coin of the realm on this front.

I’m excited to be at preseason game 1. Last year I went to preseason game 1 vs. the Wiz and it very much had a regular season vibe, went down to the wire wigh Randle hitting a step-back buzzer beater to win it after Kispert tied it with a long 3. Hopefully this game will be similarly entertaining.

I do love a good morning walk

Jowles, how are you doing? Hopefully better.

Hubert, if you don’t see how your tone from Friday night was openly hostile and condescending, I’m not going to convince you. You do you.

At a certain point, this place may just become too unpleasant to visit, which would be a bummer. But such is life.

Oh, and here’s a pic of the shattered table, for everyone’s amusement: https://www.instagram.com/p/CjNoVDtOnUI/?igshid=MDE2OWE1N2Q=

at least those little pieces are safer to pick up than big, long shards…

but has anyone realized that we have a team of mostly young, talented gym rats? Even the older vets work really hard to get in great shape.

For sure. This a Thibs team again (last year definitely wasn’t), and Thibs teams are going to work very hard. I’m of the opinion that we will eventually grow tired of a team that works hard to get 40 something wins, but for this season I think it’s going to be pretty fun.

“I’d be good with a moratorium on rehashing positions on where this FO stands and prospects for the future beyond this season”

LOL that’s essentially banning E until the season starts.

Idk, I say discuss what you want, just don’t be a dick to other posters.

Alan, I’m sorry if you find commentary that doesn’t follow your curation “unpleasant,” but in point of fact you’ve done nothing but mock and try to dismiss the things I’ve said about basketball ever since I started posting. At first, the “I guess E doesn’t care much for Tom Thibodeau” thing was kind of funny, but upon repetition it became quite a bit less funny.

I’ve let it go up to now, and still would, if you’d stop whining about “unpleasantness” and the like and otherwise try to monitor the conversation. You do the same thing on the very few times the conversation turns to things resembling politics.

It’s stunning that you found the “magic beans” and two camps thing “openly hostile and condescending.” Seriously. It was a complete nothingburger.

We could probably use a moratorium on inferring people’s tones & assuming their intent from text, too, since it’s kinda impossible and it always involves bias.

Alan, you heard me in the voice you assumed I had, not in the voice I was actually using. That’s why your interpretation was an affective fallacy.

I was talking about gardening tools, dude. I used spades and magic beans to make an imperfect analogy about probability and acceptance. It was benign and would have been inconsequential without you & Z-Man feeling offended and recasting it as something it never was.

I’ll try harder to walk away from this shit when it starts, but it’s quite clear that as long we condone ad hominem arguments, things will occasionally get testy.

I’d like to think we can discuss how various happenings affect the Knicks’ long-term position without things going off the rails. A lot of those discussions have been perfectly pleasant and insightful.

I’m not even sure how we could wholly avoid the topic, every bit of Knicks news has some long-term implications.

I do agree that some aspects of this conversation are played out at this point. Everyone but Strat seems to agree it would be better if we were more interested in picking high in the draft. The remaining disagreements are largely over just how detrimental it is that we’re foregoing doing so.

We can probably shelve discussions of whether, say, OKC’s approach is better in a vacuum than ours, because it so obviously is and what we’re left arguing about is a matter of degree.

Still, I think it’s a little much to ask people to avoid the topic of the Knicks’ long-term positioning entirely and I’d instead recommend just trying to avoid specific topics that have already been hashed out. Also, I’d recommend not being jerks to one another in general.

Ha ha, Cyber needs to find himself another magic genie, the one you’re using is broken…

I’m not sure I’d walk away from a conversation at a cocktail party if an eavesdropper came up to me in the middle of the conversation and butted in with, “I don’t like that term ‘incineration’ you used there.” Certainly there’d be no ethical obligation to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vhWP91mVns

Macri’s interview with Marc Berman is a good watch. Whatever one feels about his work over the years, following his work was certainly a big part of being a Knicks fan, and he offers some very interesting perspectives

The article above about Quick is a good read, and left me thinking. If Grimes is in a walking boot, i’d prefer to start Quick at SG instead of Fournier. He can be a good defender, he has a 6’8 wingspan.

Well, he has been pigeonholed into “energy guy of the bench”. There is some kind of logic to that, having your starter unit of the most versatile players while your bench consists of more specialized players that you plug in depending on how the game goes.

Given that there is not a big gap between starters and bench players in this team, that logic starts to fall apart, but still, I think it is better to have Quick from the bench, since there are many ballhandlers already in the starting five, and Quick needs the ball, and to have all of Obi’s minutes to be with him.

I’ve had some issues with my balance over the years, I am super afraid of glass stuff…

just got a few glass drinking glasses, no glass plates or bowls though…if I even see like a glass coffee table somewhere i’m heading in the other direction…

I don’t know guys…might sound weird but – I hate arguing, however – I really like to know where people stand and how they truly feel about me…

I know I’m not everyone’s cup of tea…

if someone starts leaking out their distaste for my personality, I’ll actually encourage them to give me more so I can understand things better…

not with any thought of reconciliation in mind, just so I know the full truth…

not to sound too preachy, but, respecting other folks’ space doesn’t require you to get along with everyone…

it’s interesting how we went from a bit of a wild west show years ago where there was a good bit of disharmony from time to time on the sute…

now we have a bit of this low key animosity thing bubbling around…where folks try to sneak in their dislike for others, camouflage it a bit…doesn’t work at all of course, except to aggravate folks…it’s pretty obvious stuff…

let folks be, if there’s someone you know whom irrates the heck out of you, ignore them, changing them is near impossible and throwing out subtle jabs now and again is just gonna keep things simmering…

As one who mostly lurks and really enjoys the takes of the many smart people who fuel this blog, it seems the root of the issue is more than ad hominem attacks. Some of these attacks imply a pretty strong personal animus that transcends ad hominem and really has no place in the context of what you are debating. Would those of you who engage in these ad hominem posts, do so in a face-to-face environment ( eg your respective workplaces)? I would hope not.

this anonymous social interaction stuff is fantastic, not gonna shield you though from getting your feelings hurt if you should so choose to engage with others in a confrontational manner..

one of the craziest disconnects I see here all the time is that there should be some kind of baseline for a fair debate/argument…

that is just so silly and idealistic…

if you “push” on folks, you are going to get whatever they got, in whatever manner they are accustomed to dealing with conflicts…

not how you are used to, or wish to deal with conflict…

I see we were getting to the same place Bo 🙂

man, I’ve had to have the whole “game talk” on a mic with friends versus like actual in person speech with the boys more than a few times…

in the gamer world – a mic can give you this false sense of what’s permissible engagement…similar I guess to typing away on a keyboard…

noble, you could seriously teach a class on how to debate/argue online…

somehow you seem to be able to focus just on the issue being discussed and leave it at that…

Geo, I’m pretty sure most everyone here likes you. And you can’t say that about many (any?) other KB posters

I have a strong opinion about the Knicks’ grand strategy, and I find it endlessly frustrating that the one thing this franchise will never do in a million years is a proper, patient, asset-collecting rebuild. When I talk about this and the response is “hurr durr Sam Hinkie” I find that incredibly annoying.

But I like all of the people here, even those with whom I disagree on this. There have been a vanishingly small number of people on this site over the years who I actively did not like, in fact there was only one who shall remain nameless and it was not even bobneptune.

I’m staying out of this round of flame wars even though it’s clear which side of the realist/optimist debate I fall on.

I’m pretty sure most everyone here likes you. And you can’t say that about many (any?) other KB posters

not really true EB, I can think of a few folks here over the years who’ve let me know, in fairly subtle ways, that my personality was not to their taste…

and you know what, I can completely understand…

there is absolutely nothing in my head suggesting to me that everyone is gonna like me…figured that out back in my 20’s…

shit, if you heard my voice, the tone of it, it’s volume, the words I choose, trust me – it would be more than a little too much at times…

thankfully I’m getting better at knowing when to keep my mouth closed…

valuation – the true value is the KB “community” as a whole…

kind of like taking a walk in the morning, you have to learn how to step around, avoid, the piles of shit that people (and their pooches) leave laying around…

same thing here…

it is not everyone’s purpose in life to point out or correct the flaws in others…

do you really want to spend your time cleaning up other people’s shit…

“noble, you could seriously teach a class on how to debate/argue online…”

I will take this as a compliment, even if it’s not necessarily something I would put on my resumé.

I had an entire life including early adulthood, pre-net.(*) I’ve also spent multiple decades in a profession and job whose primary function is to develop a factual record and then argue about the meaning of that record with other lawyers, and sometimes to advocate a position on the record to a judge (or quasi-judge).

So at this late date, “No, the key parts of the factual record aren’t A, B, and C; they’re X, Y, and Z and therefore your ultimate conclusion is wrong” comes as naturally to me as breathing. There’s no personal component on my end to that dialectic whatsoever.

I am no longer under any illusion that this experience ports well to typical net conversation.

That said, there are people in life who are more naturally controlling and domineering than other people. I’m not a fan of those traits.

(*) I’m pretty sure Chuck Klosterman had a term for this cohort in his book The Nineties; unfortunately, I read it on a Kindle — a/k/a where retention goes to die — and can’t recall the term.

geo, I certainly hope that I’m not one of those who you feel have subtly dissed you!

I wish I had some golden rule to share to smooth over the angry feelings that frequently flare up on this board. I just skim over those posts and focus on those rest.

I don’t think a day goes by here that there is not at least one, and usually several or more, interesting posts worth reading.

Anyways, off to watch the Jets lose again…

you have to learn how to step around, avoid, the piles of shit that people (and their pooches) leave laying around…

Where I live in Denver, I wish it were pooches more often…

I think the problem with the board is pretty simple. Too many people here, whether they’re an optimist, pessimist, realist, absurdist, cubist, dadaist, or whatever, don’t engage with people with different viewpoints as if they’re making an honest argument. So instead of discussion and disagreement, we get subtle and not so subtle accusations of agenda posting.

Where I live in Denver, I wish it were pooches more often…

Oh yeah, same here in Baltimore.

For me the problems of this board start with the inability of the regulars to predict the knicks strategy and their plans.
When i started realizing Leon’s Master Plan and started predicting his wise moves I’ve felt user’s nirvana and felt in peace with myself and the rest of the universe.
After that i don’t fight anyone in here, i just sit and enjoy the Master Plan being revealed and laugh with the doubters!
Just like that:
Ha ha ha ha!

Not a brilliant last 2 minutes of the half for the Jets. Due to an ill advised pass and a terrible penalty, nstead of going into the locker room at 13-3, it’s 10-6.

Seriously talking it’s ok to not be able to predict everything or even Anything!
It’s not ok tho to put your pride ego over respect and fairness.
Get yr innershit together bro*
And if you feel you’ve been unfair just admit it, don’t try to defend yr shit

*This goes for anyone in here including me

The supposedly most intelligent Knicks platform should be AT LEAST able to chat without calling shit/disrespect one another month after month…

I’m fine with a moratorium (I have been enforcing my own personal moratorium re: the Rose regime, since I think the subject has been beaten to death), if that’s the best way to ensure comity until we actually have stuff to talk about starting with the first preseason game (this Tuesday!!), but I think that’s a Band-Aid. For example, Z-Man and Hubert have a history; so they are on the lookout for slights, and are willing to respond in kind. The only way out of such a cycle of retaliation is to be willing to drop things, or not bring up the issue, or phrase your view in the most anodyne, inoffensive terms. In general I think the real issue here is that peoples’ keyboard manners are generally worse than their in-person manners. So, we should collectively practice being relentlessly polite in the face of disagreement a bit more (barring obvious cases of harassment or other kinds of board policy violations). I’ve been trying to do this everywhere, and it’s really difficult! But we’re a collection of smart people, who are, with the possible exception of bobneptune, arguing in good faith. We may find each other tedious, and each’s others’ arguments laughable, but we don’t have to make that explicit. In fact, the board would be better if we managed to avoid making such thoughts explicit. The days of telling each other to drink bleach are over, for better or for worse.

By the same token, one thing I love about KB is the variety of voices and emotions on offer here, as well as the often-hilarious commentary. I don’t want that to go by the wayside either, but we can have all that while also being nice to each other, whether or not we’re furious at the Knicks at that exact moment.

As usual, I think Silky (right…?) nailed it. It’s more important to not be jerks to one another than it is to avoid topics that otherwise might be interesting. Again I think we can be mindful of what has been totally exhausted as a matter of debate to this point without saying broad topics are verboten wholecloth.

I just think it’s too hard to not opine on what something like, say, Obi getting 12 minutes per game means for the bigger picture, and that the board would be less interesting for it.

A specific, hopefully uncontroversial topic I think would be interesting until we get that sweet, sweet preseason action: where does everyone stand on Brunson’s chances to make another leap?

This is something I’m actually somewhat optimistic about, since all he’d have to do is maintain his non-Luka numbers from the past few years. If he’s able to do that, he’d probably be viewed in the FVV-tier (not comparing them as players–they’re quite different–but think he could establish himself as an perennial borderline all-star).

As a reminder:

Brunson’s per-36 numbers without Luka:

2021-2022: 1,170 minutes, 22.1 PTS, 7.4 AST, 4.5 TRB, 27.5% USG,
.319 3PT%, .542 2PT%, .565 TS%

2020-2021: 964 minutes, 19.6 PTS, 6.6 AST, 5.4 TRB, 23.2% USG,
.384 3PT%, .573 2PT%, .604 TS%

Combined: 2,163 minutes, 21 PTS, 7.1 AST, 4.9 TRB, 25.8% USG,
.352 3PT%, .555 2PT%, .581 TS%

Those are interesting numbers TNFH, but I wonder how many of those minutes were logged against bench players? How much of that is “with Luca/without Luca” and how much of it is “playing against starters/playing against bench”

I’d bet heavily on Brunson. My main concerns are (1) Thibs giving the ball to Randle & RJ and (2) the team clogging the paint.

Dallas played a lot of 5 shooter lineups. The Knicks run a lot of 1 shooter lineup.

It’s a good question JK, and I have no idea how to find the answer. Seems like a job for ptmilo.

EB, this is my fear as well. Our most promising path may well be giving the ball to Brunson and letting him direct traffic full-time, but I imagine Randle and RJ will have something to say about that.

I think there is a fair history of PGs getting better beyond their 4th season to be confident that Brunson will keep getting better. However, it may be more gradual than we are hoping for, and he might take a couple of months to adapt to a totally new team and system. Brunson’s numbers without Luca do pop out, but it is such a small sample and was thrown into that role out of necessity that I do not think we will see them (at least right away).

However, I don’t think we need greatness at the PG position, just being good will help everyone in the starting unit.

EDIT: I was specifically thinking Brunson’s numbers in the playoffs with Luca injured.

Ha ha, Cyber needs to find himself another magic genie, the one you’re using is broken…

Nah, i’m really glad i could start the thread the way that i did. I’m loving this thread. 🙂
After the storm comes a calm

Oddly enough, Brunson’s overall totals last season included .373 3Pt%, and his TS% was .583. Both better than the combined that Noble lists.

I don’t think he’s going to get the bump in counting stats to the level you see without Luka, as boy there was not a lot of offense on that team last year outside of Luka and Brunson (bunch of very good three-point shooters, that’s about it). And RJ and JR’s usage is much higher combined than Luka’s, and while I hope beyond hope both decrease considerably, it’s still going to impact what Jalen can do.

Still agree he’s likely to be a border-line all-star unless something bad happens. 18-7-5, that sort of thing. 24% USG?

“Brunson’s numbers without Luca do pop out, but it is such a small sample and was thrown into that role out of necessity that I do not think we will see them (at least right away).”

I don’t think it’s such a small sample, especially when you consider that he did it in some critical playoff games as well.

Geo, I’m pretty sure most everyone here likes you.

Count me in. 🙂

And you can’t say that about many (any?) other KB posters

Any!? What about the lovable portuguese member? I took offense on this and i demand EB to be banned. 😀
Ok, ok, i take back my demands, at the very least Fournier’s fans here don’t like me, not one bit. 😛

I will take this as a compliment

As you should. And i totally agree with Geo, you’re one of the best here debating/arguing, always making your point very clear and never losing your cool.

I don’t think it’s such a small sample, especially when you consider that he did it in some critical playoff games as well.

Yes, I did edit my comment afterwards. I was thinking in the playoffs were he played exceptionally well when Luca was injured. Regular season numbers without Luca are proof that he can raise his usage and keep the same level, but in the playoff games he seemed to be on another different level (which is kind what you wish to see with us, but I find it unlikley).

A specific, hopefully uncontroversial topic I think would be interesting until we get that sweet, sweet preseason action: where does everyone stand on Brunson’s chances to make another leap?

I’m very hopeful about Brunson and i believe he can make another leap. But that doesn’t come without some fears: 1 – Thibs’ management of playing time / usage; 2 – Defense being a glaring issue, if paired with a bad defender (you all know who!); 3 – How the fans will react to bad stretches, if it happens;

J. E. T. S.

Nice come from behind win for the Jets!

I don’t even think there is that much difference btw the two sides here. Much less so than in the past anyway. No one thinks we are an upper echelon team. Everyone agrees that we have a reasonable collection of young talent. There are differing flavors of feeling about Thibs and Rose and RJ. But for the most part people I think are articulating actually similar views on where we are and where we might get to in the next two years. And most of this seems to be fighting yesterday’s wars.

i looked at this exact q at some point, don’t have time to recheck atm but best best recall is that ~1100-1200 of the 2100 non luka jalen minutes were vs 3 or more opponent starters. his pts and especially ts (maybe 61pct) were actually better in those minutes than against 2 or fewer starters.

“I’m very hopeful about Brunson and i believe he can make another leap. But that doesn’t come without some fears: 1 – Thibs’ management of playing time / usage; 2 – Defense being a glaring issue, if paired with a bad defender (you all know who!); 3 – How the fans will react to bad stretches, if it happens”

I honestly feel that Brunson will be the least of our worries. It will probably take 10 games or so for lineups and minutes to be figured out, but it shouldn’t be that hard. If there is a problem on the defensive end, Fournier will be subbed out for Grimes or IQ that much sooner. I’m pretty hopeful that Brunson’s impact on the offense will be more than enough to offset any defensive issues, especially with Thibs’ defensive schemes.

Obviously the elephants in the room are Julius Randle and RJ Barrett. It will be interesting to see what kind of relationships form between them. Ideally, Julius and RJ will understand that Brunson knows what he’s doing out there and will be comfortable playing off of him.

In that regard, I think the relationship between Derrick Rose and Jalen Brunson is crucial. Rose and Taj are probably the only guys on the team that Julius and RJ deferred to last year, and Rose was injured or out for most of the season. Burks was not really a vocal leader and so there really wasn’t anyone on the court who could take the reins away from those two.

We saw in 2020-21 how impactful DRose’s on-court leadership was, and how he would control the tempo of the game, especially in the 4th quarter of close games. My hope is that Brunson and Rose become a two-headed monster that surpresses the worst tendencies of RJ and Julius. I think Fournier also can be helpful, as it is said that he’s universally liked in the locker room and maybe he supports Brunson verbally as needed when out there.

what in the world has gotten in to the jets and giants…whoa…dang five games left, hope judge runs in to at least one more, probably for the best that he’s going on the road for the last four games…

had some fun today, doing some dog sitting with a cute maltipoo pup…got this dog “sling” so we could ride together on the scooter…took her to go meet my friends over at the goat park, i’m cool with the goats, not so impressed with the sheep…

here’s the deal on personality stuff…when i run in to someone with similar social behavior to my own, i generally find them annoying or at best not very interesting…

@Cyber, you were one of the exceptions that also came to mind fwiw. You’re pretty upbeat

And I agree about TNFH being even keeled in the midst of discussions

reminds me of this guy artie hoffman…joined the platoon to be our fire control officer, young second lieutenant…some of the soldiers assumed he would be a young naive guy like a lot of young officers are…

nope, artie was from long island and had been a used car salesman before getting commissioned…

yeah, noble, you have been full of surprises over the years…

As usual, I think Silky (right…?) nailed it.

was re-reading the thread – this made me smile because Silky is actually one of the few folks whom could discuss optimism and pessimism and actually make sense 🙂

As usual, I think Silky (right…?) nailed it.

was re-reading the thread – this made me smile because Silky is actually one of the few folks whom could discuss optimism and pessimism and actually make sense 🙂

Noble, you were 15 when you started here? Been a trip to watch your growth curve play out.

hope judge runs in to at least one more, probably for the best that he’s going on the road for the last four games…

It’s crazy to me that there’s only been three 60HR seasons in the AL & all 3 came from NYY right fielders.

A Yankee RF has held the AL HR record for the past 102 years.

Ruth 1st took the title as a Yankee in 1920

Maris broke it 41 years later, 1961

Judge 61 years later… ?

The Yankee RF in 2103 has a lot to live up to

I’d bet on Brunson but I’d wait til after this season. I think we’re underestimating the the impact our nonshooting lineups will have on him. He’s going to have to make a hard adjustment, and I suspect it will take some time.

“…underestimating the impact our nonshooting lineups will have…”

Nonsense. Brunson passes to a cutting Barrett who drives to the basket, where he’s triple-teamed, but because he’s been practicing NOTHING ELSE all summer, he’ll kick it back out to Brunson who’s camped out in the corner and who will make the three. All season long…

4/130 is a lot more than I would want to spend on Tyler Herro

But the memes…

https://twitter.com/kingjosiah54/status/1576701910488207361?s=21&t=CdCEgJONt0fiz8tjItQuAA

It’s probably a commensurate leap of faith as RJ, but in the case of the heat it seems like they are going to run into a brick wall at some point.

You can get Mitch averaging a double double at +1000. Pretty tempting but his backup maybe being better than him makes me worried he’s not going to play enough to get 10 rebounds a game

Stirring comeback for the Jets…now just need the Mets to win tonight for a nice day, sportsfanwise.

My soul can’t take all these homeruns Mets pitchers are giving up this series.

Jeff McNeil is my hero.

Man on third with nobody out and you can’t get him in…

Mitch has never averaged 10pts or rebounds in a single season.

He’s only cleared 9pts once and has never cleared 9rebs.

The problem is that he’s never reached 28min/g. So in some sense it will be Hartenstein’s fault. But it probably won’t depend on him being better than Mitch.

The Mets are going to regret those LOBs in the third. Although two of the three guys that came to the plate in that situation should never be swinging a bat in an important game.

LOLMets will never die.

Herro hasn’t been all that good but age and trajectory look okay. I wouldn’t let him walk. Miami’s capped all the way out anyway — might as well spend big money on average play.

What a brutal weekend for the Mets top three starters.

This is excruciating…

Braves are quite clearly the better team. They’ve been like 12 games better than the Mets over the past 4 months.

Just beating our brains in all weekend. Bad taste after such a great season.

JK47, remember when the Mets quickly signed McCann to a surprising deal and didn’t even make an offer to Realmuto with Cohen’s money?

I will say this, the Braves have a fun team to root for…scrappy, hard-nosed, good on both sides of the ball…

I’m sure our garbage mopup relievers will come in and save the day though! Try that Megill guy again, he threw 99 in a game that one time!

This really does sum up the experience of being a Mets fan. Even in their best seasons they manage to completely embarrass you.

As a neutral observer (I actually mostly root for the Mets against non-Yankee teams), I think the potential benefits of playing Alvarez everyday at C outweigh the risks. It’s brutal to have automatic outs like Nido and McCann out there everyday.

I get the hesitation since he’d have to learn the pitching staff on the fly, but right now it feels like they need both Alvarez and Vogelbach in the lineup.

Nido is at least a plus defender. McCann should have been waived a long time ago.

Nido’s actually hit a bit this month, so he’s worth keeping as a backup C. McCann, however, is awful and really shouldn’t be in there.

I love Guillorme, but he’s not hit well in a long time and is really just a good utility IF.

D’Arnaud was a Met and his metrics are great. McCann was an epic fail.

Still, the Mets have been on a 96 win pace while losing that ten game lead. You just have to tip your cap to the Braves. Harris and his 860 ops with outstanding defense was a hell of a rabbit to pull out of their cap.

Alvarez looks like he’s jacked up on speed when he’s up to bat.

If the Mets do lose this game, start him at C the next 2-3 games and see if he can calm down.

Alvarez can’t start for McCann/Nido, all the reports are that he’s not at all ready to catch in the majors.

Well, so far the bullpen is keeping the Mets in the game.

Jinx

Never mind…

The Braves just don’t miss mistakes. They are going to be a handful again in the playoffs.

All the Mets’ callups looked like deer in the headlights. I know Alvarez put up great numbers in AAA but he looks totally overmatched. They all need more time.

Catching isn’t the problem. Three ostensible ace pitchers started these crucial games and all three of them sucked.

The Mets had a good mirage going for a while based on hitting with RISP and BABIP luck but they’re just not at the level of the Braves, Dodgers and Astros.

“The Mets had a good mirage going for a while based on hitting with RISP and BABIP luck but they’re just not at the level of the Braves, Dodgers and Astros.”

That’s pretty evident, we have several holes to fill in the offseason, those teams are solid in every phase of the game. The thing about the Braves is how young they are…they could be really good for a long time.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/02/knicks-cam-reddish-gets-opportunity-to-impress-with-quentin-grimes-injury/

Humiliating.

This isn’t the end of the world but man is this a seriously disappointing way for the Mets to close out the regular season.

I would like to see the Mets pass on re-signing deGrom when he inevitably opts out. He’s never going to give you lots of innings and he shit the bed in the two most important games of the season so you can’t really call him a big game pitcher at this stage of his career.

That gazillion dollars can be better spent somewhere else.

Tari Eason with a nice first preseason game….

Favorite (not) line in the Cam story Pepper shared, from Thibs:

“He hasn’t made shots yet. That’s probably the biggest thing.”

Yeeeaaahh…

The 2000 Yankees went 5-15 down the stretch then beat the As, Mariners and thrashed the Mets in the World Series. This series doesn’t matter all that much for the Mets.

Are they at the level of the Dodgers? No, nobody is. But it’s baseball, they can absolutely win a series against them, the Mets are really good.

I don’t want to overreact but it definitely matters. Losing the series and getting swept means we’ve basically lost the division, unless we win out and Atlanta loses out. Which means we’re in the wild cats and have to play a best if 3 against the Padres instead of getting a short break and being able to setup our rotation.

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