If only Nerlens Noel could also miss this game and then Thibs could start Taj Gibson, as well.
I’m kidding, really, as obviously with Payton out, Rose was clearly going to be the starter and honestly, if it’s just a temporary situation, you probably don’t even want Quickley moving to the starting lineup for just a game.
Is it a big frustrating that Rose is ahead of Quickley on the depth chart? Sure, but whatever, I get it. Rose is definitely more of a real point guard than Quickley.
This game, of course, will be all about seeing Hali in person and hoping that he has a bad game and that Obi has a good one.
The Kings are sort of a testament to the strength of the Western Conference, as they are 12-19 and I find it hard to believe they wouldn’t be more like 14-17 (or better) if they were in the Eastern Conference. They’re far from a good team, just better than 12-19 if they were in the East, where literally THREE teams are over .500 and only one more is even at .500. This is a strange, strange season.
The Knicks are currently in a three-way tie for the #8 seed, but they’re just a half game back of a three-way tie for the fifth seed, so a win tonight would move the Knicks into that tie for fifth (since none of the other teams in the #5-10 spot are playing tonight).
So, well, let’s plead the fifth tonight!
Let’s go get back within a game of .500, Knicks!
193 replies on “2020-21 Game Thread: Knicks and Their Starting Point Guard, Derrick Rose vs. Kings”
I need a furius Obi dunk in Haliburton’s face badly tonight!
What happened in the last thread will be a footnote that no one will care about in a few months.
This was not a disrespectful post or anything even remotely like it. The media is fvcking insane. It wasn’t an undue roast and no one outside of today’s thread lurkers is praising it. It’s a few idiots that think threes are “good for winning basketball” because the 2014-15 Warriors got lucky in the Finals and probably really think that the “powers that be” (Mike K. et al.) all aligned to trash-talk them by any means necessary and that included overcrediting their league-best 3PT%, which was only good because their good shooters were good at shooting.
expecting quik to have a good game tonight not having to play alongside rose all game…
Swapping Rose for Payton in the starting lineup is like trading in your 2002 Honda Civic for a 2001 Toyota Camry
Clyde’s suit remarkably subdued tonight. And I still love it.
DRoseMoses lead us to the promised 5th seed!
You are missing the point.
Teams are shooting a lot more 3s now because of the math behind it and because they saw the success of the Warriors. The latter is a certainty. Even coaches were saying things long those lines. Success always gets copied and that title helped change the thinking on taking 3s and the title.
I am simply adding that the math changes in the playoffs for lesser players as you go deeper and get to the finals.
IMO, the NBA has overshot on their use of 3s. More attention should be placed on trying to find guys that can be very efficient in the post and get to the rim and finish. The 3 point shooters should be there to help those guys. They shouldn’t be the primary weapons unless you have a Durant, Steph, Lillard etc… that you know can handle that job and won’t fold. There aren’t too many of those guys.
Rivers or Frank?
I swear to god that in the introduction Noel looked like he had fingers. Does he take them off when the game starts?
Frank needs one more injury to make the rotation!
I laughed quite a bit. I feel like Noel can catch lobs but the rest of it, yeah.
Rose probably going to have a good game against this defense.
Knicks have got the knack early going
Kings play D like they’re playing in the West 4th St. court.
I like double scores
Let’s go Knicks!!!
Rose is such a terrible defender
Bench DRose, please
Barrett is making better decisions tonight. He found Bullock on the break. Earlier, he maneuvered from a contested 3 to a wideopen 18′.
Bagley is a really bad defender. He is the front court Trae Young.
Wasn’t his whole thing “DPOY upside?” Woof.
Agree on Bagley.
Halliburton’s shot is a little strange. Two real bricks so far.
Who wanted to trade for Hield? 😀
I love the Garden crowd
Frank in, Knicks immediately score and then a terrified Halliburton travels when he sees Frank closing on him
Frank still gets erased on screens huh
Hali and IQ having a float off
Someone asked about this in the last thread.
The entire answer is in one paragraph:
I would hate Quickley so much if he were not aKnick
thats my boy..
Now is not the time for K&T. Frank is on the floor.
I kind of feel like Rose is IQ’s kryptonite.
The Knicks shot 70% in the first quarter. I wonder whether they hit 70% during warmups.
If you don’t love this knicks unit outthere GFY!
Needed a good IQ game
I haven’t checked but I’m pretty sure Quick has 20 points in 2 minutes
iq unleashed…no rose anchor on his neck…
Meanwhile Burks looks really lackadaisical out there
However they use Toppin is simply wrong
Haliburton is flaming our one time future DPOY
last few weeks he looks out of it…i am souring on that dude…
iq got some of his own medicine
Remember when he was our #1 for two games or so. Was on his way to being an all star
I think Quick enjoys not having Rose soak up 95% of the usage
Clyde watching Knickerblogger while calling the game, basically repeats this line.
Quick the slick
Lol at Thibs taking the ball out of IQs hands with Derrick Rose.
IQ 16 pts in 7 minutes. Is that good?
IQ is a point guard.
I like seeing the old guy get his
I do enjoy watching us go against the Kings defense, very refreshing
Rose and IQ should never be on the court together.
Maybe Rose should just never be on the court. Although he has been good tonight.
Hali has thrown some great passes. He’s an unconventional player.
Elite D is back !
i thought van gundy would be next fired…luke walton might be next up…
Yeah, Gibson is playing better
1. Quickley should play on the ball. He is a lead guard, even if he is not a great assist man.
2. Ntliikina is much better suited to be a 3&D wing than a PG. His handle is not NBA level.
3. The Kings defense is as bad as advertised.
Frank draws a charge.
Frank > Rivers
Frank is destroying their offense
Removing Payton and Rivers and adding Frank and Rose makes too much sense today. I love IQ on the ball.
Just turned the game on. How’s Frank doing?
Taj is balling tonight. Real throwback vibe.
When does Mitch come back again?
That was a travel on Bagley. Breen has lost his mind.
I am happy I don’t have to root for Fox. Feels like a future Knick.
They did NOT do the four-hour layup line as recommended. Maybe tomorrow…
Fox, please try some more alleyoops
Is The Human Eraser one of the trivia answers?
In all seriousness, Frank Ntilikina should be starting in place of Reggie Bullock.
I only have Ewing and Chandler. They did it, right?
I’ve been waiting patiently to the see the Frank/Quick combo. I liked it. With Frank, Quick is going to do more shooting/scoring than with Rivers or Rose (which is good). If he’s open Frank will shoot, but he won’t do anything crazy off the dribble like Rivers will. It’s a good combination. Frank didn’t look his best on defense on every possession, but he drew that nice offensive foul and had good energy. We need to look at more of this combination while Payton is out to see more of Frank. If Frank looks OK, time to trade Rivers.
And as I say that, Reggie Bullock hits 2 3s.
I know the Kings can’t play D, but it’s still nice to see this passing
If you just went by tnfh’s comments you’d think Ntilikina was terrible in his minutes. The hate seems to run deep.
Ewing and Camby are definitely 2 of the 4, maybe Cartwright in his early Knicks years?
Damn I wanted 80!
Those last few sequences looked like D’Antoni-ball!
Robinson averaged more than 2 blocks a couple years back.
I’m a Frank hater but he was fine in his 1st half stint.
Watching the Knicks crush the Kings with noted Knicks troll De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Halliburton is extra satisfying.
I just got here a short time ago and asked how Frank was doing, but my post/question is undergoing moderation. That’s how deep the hate runs!
I don’t know whether the Knicks were hot or if that is the most bullshit defense I have ever seen
Frank fucked 5 Sacto possessions
He’s our spiritual DLeader!
without looking it up:
4. Marvin (the Human Eraser) Webster.
When was the last time we could say that our point guards dominated?
Frank wasn’t perfect, but played well enough that he should play more.
How could i forget Mitch!? For me, every question about greatness, i think of Knicks teams of the past. LOL
Both. You still have to make the shots.
I was wrong. I won’t ruin it by posting the right answer.
Julius isn’t LeBron by any stretch, but he’s doing some LeBron-like things out there.
People hate Frank because some people (like me) are such a huge fans despite such limited accomplishments so far. If I stated going over the top on IQ, a few people would focus on all his flaws and want to trade him while the price is high . lol He played fine for his first minutes in such a long time after being on ice most of the season while healthy. The energy was there, but the D was not 100%.
I love that NY forever commercial!
Please don’t collapse now!
Hard to believe that Mike Conley never made an all star team…it’s tough out there in the west
Hali and Quickley would have been a nice backcourt. Oh well.
I would not be surprised if there were at least one more “injury” replacement for the West. Conley might still get in this year.
there are just so many possessions where rose is the only one who touches the ball….
There is no “I” in “team”, but this year there may be two “ii”s in MVP. Embiid is putting up big numbers again tonight. Sixers are up 11 on the Mavericks in the 3Q.
My two favorite teams are the Knicks and whoever is playing the Mavs. It would be so sweet if the Knicks got a lottery pick out of the KP trade.
Noel’s hands may be made of stone, but that does make them adept at knocking the ball away
I enjoy making fun of Noel’s offense, but I enjoy watching him play defense more.
It’s so much easier to root for a team that plays defense.
that would be nice to get a lotto pick
hes not a pg, hes a scoring guard
Meanwhile, the Nets are on their way to winning their 8th straight game. They have not missed a beat while Durant has been out for the last week.
Rose looks terrible out there right now
damnit julius that play was there
Knicks trying very hard to fuck this one up
Rose’s shirt should say My Game is History
Once again the defense stagnates halfway through the third and Thibs does nothing (well okay, for some reason Frank’s come in, but that’s not what I mean…).
Rose no longer should be put in for 10 straight minutes in any quarter. He clearly ran out of gas in the last two minutes. When he gets tired, he reverts to hero ball.
are these the most points we given up in 3 q’s?
Those 3rd Qs…
crazy shot by fox but he took like 4 steps
that was all on hero ball randle…blew the possession and they turn around and score…give the ball to a guard..
Yeah, pretty ugly sequence there.
Burks is Phucking sleepwalking
I think Frank may be getting some more run, even after Payton gets healthy.
Of course, it may be for another team.
Well, we know Obi can dunk…
A professional organization worth billions of dollars looked at Bagley and thought he would turn out to be a better player than Luka Doncic.
Frank! Clearly practiced a bit during his time off… That drive to the rack, I was sure it had to be someone else.
Raise your hand if you miss Elfrid Payton
That Frank to Toppin assist was really pretty. Obi gets veeery long when he goes up for a dunk with a running start…
I’d rather watch Frank play than Rivers all day. I know that’s not saying much.
How did the Nets not drop 160 on this team?
have we ever seen a rookie get 12 free throws in 15 minutes before (and hit them all?)
Unless things go south, I really, really hope Thibs ‘rests his starters’ and leaves these guys in to close the game.
Team looks great. But we are playing a lackluster squad
I just want to see this team play with Mitch at center
Burks doesn’t look lazy anymore.
No reason this wouldn’t be the next 15 minutes in one of IQ’s 1 for 5 starts.
96 FTs until now, and missed only 6
Frank with a classic backwards pass instead of simply driving to the hoop
The Kings are gonna be really good next year when they add Kenny Atkinson and Johnathan Kuminga.
These are the plays that get Frank benched. Coaches want to see the ball move towards the hoop, or to an open 3 point shooter. Even if that pass gets through, getting the ball to the nail for an open jumper is bad play.
With all the courtside room, the celebrations are hysterical!
Always a key takeaway from every Kings game
That lazy-ass Burks is killing us…
Alec just only shoot 3s please
If the Celtics keep losing, Brad Stevens might be coaching in the Big Tomato next season.
Knicks are going for 150 tonight!
Frankie Smokes taking RJ minutes … wasn’t even having a bad game
Now is the time to negotiate the Burks trade
That Alec Burks/Frank Ntillikina combo is pretty lethal!
Here we go again, why the fuck is Randle in?
Gibson doesn’t believe in Strat… a 3P for him too! 😀
Garbage Time – noun phrase – 1. The portion of a NBA game where the outcome is no longer in doubt. 2. Any time that Kevin Knox is in the game. 3. The period when Taj Gibson can launch 3 pointers without getting yanked by Thibs.
Love the Clyde “ball boy” comment!
Can we reward the cheerleader (Pinson) with some game time? 😀
Knicks going from 10th to 6th with this W
Frank plays, and the Knicks gain 4 slots in the standings!
I thought Obi was trying to start one of those cheerleader pyramids on that foul
Walton…dead man walking
Hilarious post. All 3 so true.
Burks with the, uh, less than scintillating interview.
Ummmm….we’re ahead of the Celtics in the standings…..is this a Jupiter aligned with Saturn thing?
This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius…
Or it’s the apocalypse! 😉
Two more games and we’ll be on top of the east! 😀
Closing with Frank and 4 vets was unexpected but shows you that Thibs ain’t dumb when it comes to D.
Never happen. He’ll pull his groin the next game. You’ll see…
Flipping from watching one terrible defensive team to another (the Pelicans)
Pessimists Nightmare Game!
How many coaches will we fire this season?
We need a poll!
Actually tied for 5th!
This post didn’t age well.
Call up the Clippers and try offering them Burks tonight!
And so castles made of sand
Fall in the sea
Unfortunately I don’t think they have any firsts left to trade, OKC has them all
I think they own a decent second from a team.
EDITED TO ADD: They have Detroit’s seconds from 2024-26 and they have Atlanta’s 2022 second rounder.
Franks plays, we’re ahead of the Celtics. Time to start buying gold again.
Down the court you can hear Thibs scream, “You’re a disgrace,”
As he slams the ball in the rookie’s face
And now he stands outside
And all the veterans start to gossip and drool
He cries, “Oh Quick, you must be mad,
What happened to the playing time you used to have?”
Against the whiteboard he leans and starts his ado,
And his tears fall and burn the Garden blue
Also, if we beat them in the standings then we swap picks anyways. So no helping them this year.
Is that so? what a surprising development. I was a big fan of him a year ago.
It’s hard to find a downside to this game.
Quick broke out of his slump
RJ broke out his slump
Rose broke out of his slump
Randle may be getting even better. There’s more of a quiet confidence about him now than at the start
Frank looked better than I expected given the injury, lockdown, and how little he’s played
Burks was in another dimension down the stretch
Noel keeps doing the job
Obviously playing against a bad defensive team helped, but we still looked good. We are tied for 5th in the standings and should keep improving. The real question is whether we can make any moves to improve the team before the deadline. I still think Quick is more of a score first combo guard than PG. I’m not sure he’s the solution at PG unless we are willing to play a multi-playmaker type offense where a lot of stuff runs through Randle and others also. Either way, we need an upgrade the starting PG position, improvement and more consistency out of RJ, and an upgrade over Bullock to make some noise. Bullock would be fine off the bench or maybe Frank can take over that role off the bench eventually, but to really make noise we have to upgrade there too.
I should tattoo that on my arm. 🙂
They have that Oturu kid from Minnesota who they drafted with our 33rd pick. That would bring our entire draft night saga full circle!
“Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
They’re going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing or find a new town
IMO, the chances they are going to trade Burks are fairly low. They are trying to make the playoffs and get better, not accumulate draft picks to get better in 2025. Burks is an important scorer off the bench. If they trade anyone, it will be Rivers (non essential for us but possibly useful to someone else) or there will be a bigger trade using one or more of our 1st round picks with Frank and/or Knox to upgrade a position. If nothing comes of it now, they’ll try later or use the Dallas pick(s) to try to move up in this year’s draft to get a potential key piece. I don’t see them drafting a bunch of young players in the teens and down with all our picks. They are going for a potential star by moving up in the draft or they are trading for one using those assets. One longshot possibility would be including Mitch and pick(s) for a very serious player.
I had made my peace with the end of Frank’s time with this team, and then Thibs played him ahead of Rivers and he played well. And now it’s gonna hurt all over again when he’s traded before the deadline. I’m dumb.
Well we certainly didn’t miss E tonight…
(I meant Elfrid)