Congrats to Julius Randle, for making the All-Star team (he made it over Damontas Sabonis, even, who was snubbed in favor of Nikola Vucevic).
The Knicks host the Golden State Warriors with a chance to get to .500!
Let’s see if the Knicks can celebrate Randle’s honor by getting the team to .500 at the same time!
187 replies on “2020-21 Game Thread: All-Star Julius Randle and the Knicks vs. Warriors”
Congrats to Julius Randle – NBA Allstar!
Congrats to Randle, well deserved. Funnest individual season I’ve watched as a Knicks fan since Melo lead the NBA in scoring.
Definitely could be the 2nd piece in a Semis team. RJ, learn how to fuckin’ shoot, you fuckin’ scrub!
This further proves my theory that Frank Isola is always wrong:
damn…since the game is local…I have to listen to the warriors homer announcers
Julius is going to have a serious adrenaline surge tonight.
Pretty awesome hearing the fans chant “MVP!” when Randle was addressing them.
I hope these fans brought lozenges
Let’s go Knicks!
Well done Julius, congrats!
Now let’s try to win this game…
No defense tonight?
This is a pretty pathetic start by the Knicks.
Noel reminds me of Chris Dudley on offense.
With worse hands…
super weak start… RJ takes way too many difficult shots…
BS bazemore use his forearm …
Nice dish by Rose
What’s with the dumb offensive fouls early in the clock?
We lead the league in offensive fouls…
taj with two nice turnovers…….when is mitch back?
i dont think theres ever an excuse to be called for an offensive foul away from the ball… just set a normal freaking screen or dont run a guy over…
Our D is AllStarish so far
is that true max?
is mitch leading the way?
knicks have no shot if they cant play a lick of defense
No, it’s a frustration comment 🙂
I’ll search for a reliable source to check…
Our defense tonight is at Fizdale-bad level…
just following the box score – looks like elf is making it to the rim and finishing okay…
maybe part of our almost winning strategy is give a lot of fouls, don’t take charges and don’t go for steals…
does it kind of seem like burks is starting to play better the last several games?
Second Unit is back!
Quickley did a good thing on that three. His pump fake is terrific and he took the three instead of engineering a floater.
i was trying to check our team’s “charges taken”, but, was unable to get that nbaminer.com site to work…it just doesn’t seem like anyone on our team draws charges much…maybe rivers???
Good Derrick today!
The Obi metamorphosis is underway.
IQ gets beat off the dribble way too often. Off the ball he seems to struggle then his man gets the ball and IQ always seems off balance and his man goes right by him.
IQ’s floater don’t float anymore…
The Warriors lack of interior defense is pretty clear
Rose blooming tonight
OK Dudley wouldn’t have dunked that alley oop lol.
Let Wiggins open
Rose with a nice recovery game after a couple of duds. I think he’s hyped by the crowd.
Nice run by the bench unit
why we take out a lineup that was succeeding
Looks like we have bad RJ tonight.
Awesome to hear the fans
Look at Haliburton’s first half stats against the Nets and weep.
James butter Wiseman
rj ….doesn’t like to pass
I have no idea how the hell the Knicks are leading at halftime.
Leading wo even playing in finals7thgame mode
The MVP effect
It would hurt more if Obi didn’t show some signs of life tonight…
Unfortunately we’ll be seeing Hali up close and personal on Thursday.
You mean the guy with the weird hips and awkward jumper? He’ll never pan out. High floor, low ceiling. Limited athleticism. Poor 3-on-3. Lacks elite tools. Mid-major pedigree. If he’s so good, why didn’t he go to Kentucky?
god…noel has the worst hands…
Curry is good
Noel could replace his hands with frying pans and you wouldn’t notice the difference
I’ll be surprised if the Knicks find a way to win this game, they’ve looked pretty awful all night.
i feel like boo birds might show up first game back
time for RJ to sit and think about how shitty he’s playing tonight
inexplicable that thibs is sticking with this slop
what the hell is happening
not sure who showing worse effort… the knicks or this blog tonight
Hmmm…who do you root for, DAL or BOS?
i HATE KP…Boston
It’s all my bad. The wife decided to watch The Last Dance yesterday and today. Released the bad juju. Sorry, folks.
Only down 13..
Wiseman is for real
rj is dog poop…he should be riding pine tonight
Why, a third quarter collapse. Who could’ve seen that coming?
Steph is still pretty good
What are they eating during halftime ? Gyros ?!!!
Starting to get a bit concerned with the IQ minutes
can toppin be any worse than Gibson…
curry: 6 for 10 from 3 – that dude has broken the game…freaking hacker with damn aim bot from behind the arc…
how many empty trips can a team have…
im looking forward to this unit bringing them back, just to get benched…
Clear path foul from Rose after an obscene turnover, well done.
Paschal not at the top of my list of who to take a charge from.
Rose has played well enough.
I recommend four hours of layup line tomorrow…
Why isnt it Toppin that flashes to the middle… why is it Taj Gibson…
Rose should close
Feeding and try feeding Taj like he’s Shaquile O’Neal won’t end well…
Taj Gibson a still a good defender. He makes up fir his lack of size and athleticism with great positioning.
Taj Gibson was never a good offensive player. He has not improved with age.
Holy Obi !!!!
Quickley should have just shot that
quickley afraid to miss… game not coming to him at all…
Clyde: “Another mediocre game by Quickley.”
Burks should have shot that 3
Lockdown Curry and we’ll get it
The constant pump faking and passing up on 3pters to just drive into traffic is getting tiresome.
RJ is also clueless right now
RJ has to stop doing that. It’s just really bad basketball.
Quickley and Barrett are lost…
We may have waited a couple of games too long to trade IQ…
I am not accustomed to watching a team that can play so poorly offensively but stay in a game with its defense.
The fact that I honestly have no idea if Derrick Rose is the best option to close this game or not tells you all you need to know about our offense.
What was that drive there by RJ? Sure, he got into the lane, but that an awkward layup attempt.
Which is more annoying — the pump faking to quit on a 3 pt shot, or RJ Barrett putting his head down and driving impetuously into traffic and throwing up an incredibly stupid shot with no chance whatsoever of going in?
How many shots at the rim had they missed tonight?
At least Payton is trying…
Gimme the old-fashioned 3!
That was bs what Payton just flipped up there but give him credit, he got it to drop and 1
Amazing how ice cold GS is.
Uh, until Curry…
Alright I know the options aren’t great but get Rose outta there
derrick rose should be benched for that…
bench him again…
I just logged in to echo the Rose disgust.
Randle needs to take every shot the rest of the game don’t care if he has all 5 players covering him.
This game is 7 ways ugly
Man, Steph is clever
why no noel?
thibs playing his guys… he sux
I know we don’t have any good shooters but do we have to close out the game with our worst shooters?
This should be overturned
Curry and the refs co-MVP for the Warriors.
We’re 21/42 at the rim.
That looked like a travel by Payton but he got bailed out.
How the fuck is Randle not even touching the ball on these possessions??
if im not mistaken, we’ve had some really poor officiating for a few games…
call me a hater if you want, but when we’re closing out games with Derrick Rose, Elfrid Payton, and Taj Gibson, I find myself rooting for the tank again.
How do you have no shooters on the floor with Randle down the stretch?
All you guys wanting the Knicks to lose congrats.
Bad coaching, no question about it.
It kills me. Are there any other former Bulls we can add to the team?
bad bad bad bad.. i do not like what thibs is doing now
Bad loss and kind of a boring game to watch. RJ was especially terrible
I can’t understand the closing lineup, with no shooter whatsoever beside maybe Randle…
This team has been highly likable and rootable,
the last three games reversed the trend, bad basketball, bad coaching…
Problem was everyone on the Knicks was horrible tonight so good luck choosing a closing 5. Can’t have both Payton and Rose on the floor together though.
Also we need Mitch back ASAP.
well, i do appreciate you all following the game tonight…i’m not feeling particularly interested in doing much more than delete this one…
wow, what is up with mister quickly???
we’re getting consistently very little from the 2 and 3 spots in the line up…maybe our biggest need isn’t even a point guard…
and, a big no thank you to bradley beal…
If you can’t stop Curry during clutch time you re done
Groundswell needs to start… need to get word out… Fire Thibs… its not the right direction… maybe we end up with a big 3… if the knicks were in the nets position right now id feel like i have no soul… wouldnt even watch the games… i hate this
Love how Thibs sent his two aging cultists to double Steph on that last big possession and he drove around them like they weren’t even there.
The only good thing about the Celts-Mavs is that someone has to lose…
If the Knicks had somehow won that game I would have felt like I should write a letter of apology to the Warriors. We made one terrible play after another that whole second half. Terrible shots, terrible non-shots that should have been shots, throwing it away, having it stripped, and a complete inability to make a layup-layup-layup. Wow. How we ended this close I have no idea.
Yeah, Payton and Rose together seem totally redundant, at best.
Knicks defense will always keep them in games, its why they’ve barely been blown out this season.
It’s easy to forget that the Dubs don’t suck…
Luka just hit an amazing shot to go ahead of the Celtics with 15 seconds left and I don’t know how to feel about it
RJ went from forcing the action to REALLY PHUCKING FORCING THE ACTION… he took maybe 2 jumpers that i recall tonight… one was a 3 he hit… i think his only FG… someone needs to sit his ass down… game needs to flow, come to him… Quickley always thinks he can make a better play… well, he cant… its either that or he just doesnt want to miss… Derrick Rose threw up so much trash in that 4th quarter… Randle barely touches the ball late… everything wrong with whats going on her… These games are getting tiresome because of the lineups and Thibs… its actually not that fun anymore, win or lose… how shitty is that
Doncic hit another one… ugh game over
Ha. He did it again.
Three point shooting coming around
Let’s sign Luol Deng and Ronnie Brewer
Yeah, I love seeing the Celtics drop under .500, but I want the Mavs pick to be better…
If it’s not fun for you anymore then stop watching the games. Not fun is the last few years of constantly getting blown out and rooting for losses by this point in the season, getting frustrated by losses because the Knicks are in the playoff hunt is fun.
tacko got some burn there…. 0.1… not sure if he played any other tenths
jim mora voice “playoffs:?…you talking playoffs??”…
no, i will continue to watch games, fun or not, sorry
We need shooters. Jimmer had those eight games with the Bulls…
Is Noah still lit?
isn’t he eating kung pao chicken somewhere in china right about now?
There’s no such thing as a bad Celtics loss, but this was as close as it gets…
I think Jimmer scored 70 pts in a game recently.
Kristaps missed another game with his fake back injury, I wonder if Dallas just benches him going forward.
I don’t mean to piss off the die hards (sorry, BBA), but this game — even with Randle and Barrett out there — just felt so merc-y. It gave me deja vu and I didn’t like it.
We actually played ok defense in the 4th, Warriors only scored 20 points.
Unfortunately our offense was a nightmare.
Mitch being out is tough because he’s always in the closing lineup. Also not for nothing but this team isn’t exactly filled with a ton of young players who should be playing, thats why the Frank and Knox draft picks is the biggest issue with this team right now.
With RJ, Mitch, IQ and Obi the Knicks have a few nice long term pieces and they’re gonna have 3 picks in this year’s draft. But this team needs “mercs” because unless you just want to play the draft picks and G-League players and have the worst record in the NBA, which I know many here would prefer, then they need veterans to put together a competitive team. Again the biggest thing to me really holding this team back right now are the 2 wasted lottery picks in Frank and Knox, it cant be stated enough how badly they screwed up those picks.
If Bruce Brown is going to score 29 points on 13 shots, the Nets may go fo fo fo fo in the playoffs.
Why in the world didn’t they, like, triple Luka before his last shot?
And with the tip-in rule, why was Tacko left open under the basket?
Knox is 21 and he’s shot 37% from 3 this year. I’d rather see him in there than Derrick fucking Rose.
Do we? Other than last month RJ’s been abysmal so far and Obi can barely get off the bench.
We have one-fer disease. Today it was Barrett (1-9) and Quickley (1-5). But it seems one or two players on the Knicks get a one-fer every game lately. We need a vaccine.
Knox couldn’t cover me and I’m 5’11 200 lbs with very limited athleticism at 40 yo. Also while 37% from 3pt range is nice he’s still shooting below 40% overall. I would much prefer Knox getting minutes to Frank but the way Knox was playing before they acquired Rose I’m sorry I can’t blame Thibs for benching him. But again that’s the problem, you’re talking about back to back Top 10 picks who wouldn’t be getting minutes on any team in the NBA right now.
Knox was leading the NBA in corner 3 % before he got buried. He’s 21 and in his 3rd year. I don’t think he should be buried yet, especially when we’re not getting stellar play from the mercs in front of him.
Thibs needs to choose his merc. He plays Bullock and Burks. Pick one and give 20 minutes to Knox. He plays Payton and Rose. Pick one and give the other minutes to IQ.
Being the 8 seed ain’t worth it.
Yeesh, the Melo trade was a decade ago? Oh man…
I didn’t watch the game (duh), but it looks like the Warriors couldn’t score for much of the 4th. Isn’t that why Thibs had the players he had in? (Having shooters in the game is always good, but if they can’t keep the other team (with the greatest shooter ever) from scoring, what’s the point, eh?
And, finally, on a previous thread somebody pontificated about a Beal trade to Denver centered around Murray. I understand Jowles’ aversion to a deal like that, but Murray is just so maddeningly inconsistent, and has been since he was a toddler in this league, I kind of feel that a Murray for Beal trade could be a pretty good deal for both teams. Especially with Porter jr in the wings to be the #2 there eventually….
Was lucky enough to be at the game tonight and see Steph up close and personal. The man is a wizard and looks like he barely breaks a sweat as he humiliates your defense.
I say top 10 all time, any arguments?
Brad Stevens overrated!
Hmm… I didn’t realize (or had conveniently forgotten) that Murray was drafted with the pick NY gave Denver in the Melo trade. I guess that would make a Murray/Beal trade strangely poetic if it happened in the next few weeks…
Yeah, that was me and Jowles and I’m for trading Murray in the right trade. Jokic is a 25 year old superstar, MVP caliber player and his team is currently 7th in the West because, like you said, Murray is so inconsistent. They’ve got to do something out there to build a better team around Jokic and the easiest move is some sort of Murray trade.
He doesn’t have a long enough body of work, at this level, to be top 10. You’re basically looking at 6 seasons of elite play because before 2013-14 he was dealing with injuries, Monta Ellis, and Mark Jackson and then last year he was injured the entire season. The top other top 10 guys played at an elite level for a much longer amount of time, even guys like Bird and Magic who dealt with injury/illness. We’ll see how long he can continue to play at this level but he is turning 33 in a couple of weeks. He’s definitely top 25 and could be top 20 though I’d have to actually put a list together. Right now though, I’d put him behind Durant and Durant definitely isn’t a top 10 guy.
Peak? Sure, you’ve got an argument there. For his career? No way. To use a crude stat he’s currently 71st in career WS in NBA history. Like Horace Grant has more career WS than Steph. Ho Grant was a really good player in his prime, obviously nowhere on Stephs level, but it illustrates that Steph just hasn’t played that many minutes. He came into the league at 21, he missed basically two seasons to injury, he wasn’t great until he was 25 or 26, and he was never particularly good on defense.
But if you had to pick a player based on his absolute peak in my lifetime I’m going Lebron, Jordan and Steph
Not many guys have changed the game like Steph. That will be his legacy.
I was just reminded of one of the funniest NBA tweets of all time:
You are the GM of an expansion team. You have your choice of any NBA player—or Brad Stevens. Who do you choose?
8:06 PM · May 5, 2018·Twitter for iPhone
Would it help to think of them as placeholders instead of mercs?
I mean, the team was ass offensively and they were within a bucket of tying it up until the very end. None of the guards could convert when they got into the lane in that fourth Q – that’s where RJ needs to make his $ and he sucked at it tonight. They also couldn’t/didn’t get the ball to Randle enough down the stretch.
My takes from this:
-We worry about mercs and players like Rose being win-now moves. I’ve said before that our mercs aren’t good enough to win games on their own w/o significant contribution from the young guns. This game was Exhibit A of that: We closed with a backcourt of Rose and Payton (bleh) and still couldn’t pull out the dub.
I want to find one credible person who saw Curry becoming perhaps the greatest offensive player in league history, and doing it with shit that no human being should ever be able to do. It’s not even that he hit so many threes. It’s the threes he actually hit. I just still can’t believe he hit that weaving-dribble turnaround three against the Clippers. I keep expecting it to not go in when I see replays.
i think Curry is the probably the greatest pure shooter who ever lived. However, he doesn’t dominate on both ends. He’s in the James Harden class of player, although clearly better than Harden in my book.
Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Lebron are my Mt. Rushmore. You probably have to include Bird, Magic, Russell, Kobe and West. Then Oscar, Shaq, Duncan, Durant, and Hakeem. That’s 14 players. I don’t think you can knock 5 of these guys out to bump Curry into the top 10.
I think he’s a lock for top-10 of the 2000-2050 era, along with Durant and LeBron.
Holy shit, not even a GM/POBO who actually builds the team. Like it’s not totally unreasonable to say you’d want Masai or Riley or someone but a coach?
He’s unquestionably the greatest shooter of all time. Not even taking into account degree of difficulty, just based on percentage and volume no one’s really close. Add in the crazy 30 footers that he hits regularly and I don’t think anyone will ever be able to catch him.
I can tell you that the ~7,000 voters who picked Brad Stevens weren’t posting on CelticsBlog this week…
So who predicted we’d be 0.5 games behind the Celts 32 games into the season? I wonder what odds I could have gotten in Vegas for that bet…
***I want to find one credible person who saw Curry becoming perhaps the greatest offensive player in league history***
Jimmy Patsos… https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/04/nba-finals-stephen-curry-davidson-loyola-scoreless
And I loved Olajuwon, and I respect Duncan, but I put Curry ahead of both those guys. They played the game, Curry changed the game.
While pondering the Steph question I looked David Robinson’s numbers and holy shit was he good. I assumed Hakeem’s career numbers would be better but Robinson was solidly better- 7.5 career BPM 82 VORP vs. 4.7/74.4. That he was better in VORP despite playing almost 10,000 fewer minutes is really impressive. His career best BPM matches Steph’s from 15/16. If he’d started his career at 21 rather than 24 he might have had top ten numbers- I didn’t appreciate him enough at the time.
just wanna give credit where credit is due…
having a much more pleasant knick fan experience this year, in part because of their improved play – but, also a result of adapting a modified version of the donnie walsh fan plan…
I think I may have seen the final quarter on perhaps 2 or 3 of the team’s losses this year…I’ve most definitely watched every win, start to finish to post game when available…
thank you donnie, for helping to get me to knick fan nexus…
Well, our boy Julius Randle deservedly made the All-Star team.
Congrats big guy.