2020-21 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bulls

The Knicks head to Chicago for the first of two games (the COVID-inspired schedule is so weird) to get some measure of revenge for their coach, Tom Thibodeau, as they take on his old team, the Chicago Bulls, where Tom Thibodeau won a lot of games over the years.

Given what we know about Thibs, I suspect that the Knicks will go waaaaaaay out of their way to sweep these two games, so despite the Bulls actually being favored in this game, I sure would take the Knicks if I were a gambling man.

As part of our all-poll content, what do you folks think about Zach LaVine?

Do you want the Knicks to trade for Zach LaVine?

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367 thoughts to “2020-21 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bulls”

  1. this is the rare draft where there are like a million dudes that are like lavine…. or can approximate his value.. possibly right away…

    and i really like lavine and he’s in the middle of a true breakout… but the guy to break the cap room for should be a pg….

  2. “but the guy to break the cap room for should be a pg….”

    other than morant, young, fox or lillard…look around the league and tell me one point guard who would qualify as worthy of “breaking the cap for”…and that might be available…or are those the dudes you had in mind?

  3. That fat kid down in Dallas with all the holes in his game and who does nothing but strat-stuff — I mean stat-stuff, looks pretty good…

  4. other than morant, young, fox or lillard…look around the league and tell me one point guard who would qualify as worthy of “breaking the cap for”…and that might be available…or are those the dudes you had in mind?

    kyle lowry… cp3

  5. i mean they’re still playing and doing pretty well… we don’t need all time level play from them… just better than what we have….

  6. But would you trade for LaVine if the cost was, like, Knox, Frank, and some second rounders?

    At 19.5 mil per? That’s not exactly getting something for nothing.

  7. Crappy couple of minutes from Randle. No hustle on D, stupid turnaround J, matador D…bleah

  8. They’re saying: “LaVine deserves to be an all-star! He already deserved it last year! Vote for him, Bulls nation!”

  9. I think it’s fair to say this game will not be as aesthetically pleasing as the Clips game

  10. Also, Chicago doesn’t seem to have the knack of crowd noise simulation

  11. “LaVine deserves to be an all-star! He already deserved it last year! Vote for him, Bulls nation!”

    Lol.

    On MSG the on court sound is mixed really low, I can barely hear whistles. Same for Clyde and Breen seems like. Frustrating.

  12. I could drink beers and watch Elf shooting 3s all night long! It’s perverted but fun also!

  13. Payton is a good backup PG.
    Knicks sloppy today. Not defending the perimeter well.

  14. I like Toppin because he very “alive” out there… a lively energetic player… i feel like once he really gets going into flow of games he excels with said liveliness

  15. Knicks close with 8-2 run… Wonder what the key element in that run might have been…

  16. The ‘swiss cheese defense’ thing is really underselling how effectively the Bulls are using off-ball movement and little setups. Not that the Knicks shouldn’t be stepping it up obvi.

  17. Obi’s head is set below his shoulders. If you just look at his body, he’s as tall/long as Noel.

  18. I liked that the second unit buoyed things there. I’d almost go with Toppin for a spell to start the 2nd Q. He had a decent post-up and he looks quick on D.

  19. Obi looked more comfortable out there. I would like to see him get some burn today. And it’s time for Quickly to start logging 30 minutes on the floor.

  20. Rivers is like this, some games he looks very good, and the others he looks very bad, there’s no in-between. He’s good value with his contract. An end of rotation player.

  21. KJG:
    this is gross

    True – but I rather see this group (sub RJ in for Rivers pls) try to tread water until they can put together a bit of a run.

  22. Bulls are doing a really good job exploiting Knicks aggressive help defense. Lot of easy buckets. I don’t think that changes unless the Knicks start staying home more but staying home gets you yelled at by Thibs..

  23. I feel like Burks tries to dominate the ball a bit with this unit… then u have rivers who needs ball in his hands (even though we dont want it) and quickly who we want ball in hands… something has to give there

  24. IQ sees the double and finds the open man. Randle takes Markannen to the hole.

  25. I don’t know why I keep getting “Your comment is awaiting moderation. This is a preview, your comment will be visible after it has been approved.”

  26. While I wish that Bullock was a better shooter, this lineup (IQ, RJ, Bullock, Randle and Mitch) is a good offensive team. There, I said it.

  27. come on randle man and ball… its lauri markennan not reggie miller…randle trying to prove something and hes being dumb

  28. i was wondering where this version of thaddeus came from and apparently he’s doing what randle is doing which is doubling his assist rate …. at age 32…

  29. Ugh. Randle’s hero ball tit for tat with Lauri is annoying. Dude needs to put his ego aside and just deal with the fact that Markkanen is cooking him.

  30. Randle is getting toasted by Markkanen. He’s never going to be a great defender but he needs to get up on Lauri and make him work harder for those open 3s.

  31. Team played pretty poorly for the part I was awake for so being down only 4 feels like a bit of a win

  32. The low volume sound effects are hypnotic drone.
    I’m almost ready to sleep…

    The Bull’s production has a solid Big Bob’s Used Carpet ad feel.

  33. The Knicks might have had the lead at the half were it were not for Lauri Markannen shooting like Steph Curry,

  34. Sloppy game, that we’re still close despite shooting 2-15 from three is encouraging….

    Markkanen hates us…

  35. DRed:
    Team played pretty poorly for the part I was awake for so being down only 4 feels like a bit of a win

    Was about to say the exact same thing (and i was awake for the whole half :P)

  36. Frank would be a fine addition to the second unit. Our defense has been porous the last 2 games, especially from the perimeter.

  37. NetsTown:
    Frank would be a fine addition to the second unit. Our defense has been porous the last 2 games, especially from the perimeter.

    Agreed. Frank is no Knox/DSJ, he’s limited but he has value. He should play.

  38. Payton made a dumb turnover and Thibs immediately signaled for IQ. Payton didn’t come back into the game after that. IQ needs to start.

  39. Z-man:
    Doncic is 0-3 with 3 TOs in 10 minutes…what’s going on with him?

    He’s fed up with DAL and is going to demand a trade… to the Knicks! ;)

  40. NetsTown:
    Frank would be a fine addition to the second unit. Our defense has been porous the last 2 games, especially from the perimeter.

    With Bullock and Rivers playing like shit Thibs should find minutes for Frank…

  41. What in hell is MIN doing? They only have their pick if it’s Top3! Are they banking on a 40% chance!?

  42. cybersoze: He’s fed up with DAL and is going to demand a trade… to the Knicks! ;)

    KP: 11:25 min, 2pts, FG%: 25%; TReb: 5; TO 3

  43. dude…. the guy is killing you in first half… so you go and double someone else behind the arc… are you phucking kidding me… awful start already… im pissed

  44. Please, who are these guys? To lose with Clyde and Breen it’s one thing, to lose listening to this… bleh! :(

  45. CP3 was dicing up Dallas like he was 25 when I was watching and Luka was walking a little gimpy

  46. Thibs doesnt know what to do… when your starters come out like this… stick a fork in the game… how pathetic…

  47. Porzingis is a turnover machine tonight. Looks like someone forgot how to play the game The Right Way!

    How the f is DAL winning that game?

    3-18 3PT shooting from Phoenix, aka dumb luck

  48. We are the slowest team in transition that I have ever seen…

    There’s no paragraph in the rule book that states that we have to give every opponent a 10 point advantage playing this horrible starting five in the first and third quarter…

  49. NetsTown:
    RJ imitating Randle playing dumb bully ball.
    Was Mitch neutered recently?

    Mitch has been completely neutered for awhile now… if it’s not an offensive rebound and two hand jam, he doesnt score… his roll game has been weak or defenses are taking it away, which makes him utterly useless on offense… (as I’m typing this he actually blocked a shot)… Noel has outplayed him last couple of games, in terms of just “play” and energy

  50. Think I’m gonna end it all if I have to watch anymore of Reggie, Elfrid, or Rivers

  51. KJG: oh shush

    i actually wanted more effort on that Lavine drive to the rack earlier in the quarter… that pissed me off…

  52. You know, the fact that Thibs doesn’t start IQ wouldn’t be so annoying if he didn’t obstinately stick with this shit starting lineup everytime in the 3rd to put the team down in a hole. At least stagger some fucking guys.

  53. Sorry, was there a Knick in the paint at all for that Patrick Williams dunk? This would never happen if they just let Thibs suit up.

    Does Coby White always play like this? He dribbles like he’s a cocky Frank. Does not look pro at all.

  54. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada:
    Think I’m gonna end it all if I have to watch anymore of Reggie, Elfrid, or Rivers

    LMAO haha… Yeah I’m over Reggie and Elfrid. Rivers moves like a guard that’s litty but he… isn’t.
    The starting 5 gets stale during games too quickly.
    Hard to knock Randle overall, but he has not been good tonight. Rj needs to be featured more.

  55. Haven’t watched the last few games, but wow don’t think I see enough of RJ skying to the basket. I like it.

  56. Payton needs that adrenaline shot Wolverine got near the end of Logan to play like a decent PG.

  57. IQ got the end-of-quarter iso, which he turned into a Noel alley oop.

    Randle was on the weak side and not involved in the play. His gravity helped open the lane.

  58. d-mar:
    What’s the NBA record for uncontested dunks?

    I’ll let you know after the game ends.

    Z-man:
    Porter looks way out of shape

    Was he hanging around with Omari Spellman in the offseason?

  59. we love just murdering our own momemtum… we LOVE it… Toppin quick hook… yo dude… BOX THE PHUCK OUT

  60. I don’t like when Quickley calls for the pick and then heaves one… We love you IQ, but not only are you taking a $hit shot, you just pulled our tallest guy away from a potential offensive rebound…

  61. Our interior defense is so bad that I’d consider playing both Mitch and Nerlens together for a few minutes right now.

  62. Just when you think you know most NBA players, some guy named Max Strus has 19 points for the Heat

  63. I feel like there are some passing lanes that a better passer would exploit during transition that the Knicks aren’t able to take advantage of.

  64. How does Obi only get 9 minutes in this game? Chi doesnt’ have a center. Not just saying this because Halliburton is doing so well. If we knew our best player was a PF, why did we draft a PF!!

  65. Amazingly, this game is still there for us if they can put together like 3 minutes of competent play.

  66. chriskZIPCODE:
    How does Obi only get 9 minutes in this game?Chi doesnt’ have a center.Not just saying this because Halliburton is doing so well.If we knew our best player was a PF, why did we draft a PF!!

    b/c our best player before the start of this season was not Julius Randle. Randle’s improvement was unforeseen – Toppin was drafted to be his replacement after this year. Now…?

  67. If the Knicks could hit a shot …
    But either way, it was a messy but hard fought game.

  68. For the love of God stop bullshit trapping the pick and roll, every single damn time it leads to Young wide open in the middle hitting the open shooter in the corner. Every single damn time.

  69. How long before Mitch rumblings get louder… that tweet the other day was clearly not “personal”… why take it down… now he’s keeping the bench warm late in a close game…

  70. Noel does some stupid double teams on the perimeter, and then his guy is open cutting to the basket

  71. Ntilakilla: He was covering the big man who was left unguarded in the paint.

    yeah that was such a bad defensive possession. So many open Bulls.

    RJ had to hit that shot. That was the moment.

    Oh well.

  72. they kept running the same play down the stretch and nobody was defending it well….

    no idea why noel was out there instead of mitch….

  73. I dont know whats more frustrating, watching this type of loss or reading people here talk about oh well at least its good for the tank. This team isnt tanking and is not going to try to tank, stop with these fairytale dreams of tanking and getting a Top 5 pick.

  74. Here’s a legit question…would you include RJ in a LaVine trade?

    No let’s just sign him in 2022

  75. Let’s take a lot more threes, you said. Modern NBA offense, you said. Best shot in basketball.

  76. I dont know whats more frustrating, watching this type of loss or reading people here talk about oh well at least its good for the tank. This team isnt tanking and is not going to try to tank, stop with these fairytale dreams of tanking and getting a Top 5 pick.

    I mean the ping pong balls are distributed independent of a team’s intent, and it’s not like all non top-5 picks are created equal. 7 is better than 10, and so on.

  77. I’m drained and angry, we continue to play down to the competition…
    Another winnable game that slips away, good for the lottery (I hear you Al, but it’s 4,30 AM here, I need something positive to try to sleep a couple of hours :-) )

    We need to change two players in the starting five and give Rivers’ minute to Frank.

  78. If it’s the choice between the #11 pick and playing our way into the first round of playoffs and the #15 pick by beating Orlando or Cleveland in the play in before getting slaughtered by Milwaukee, I’ll take the #11 pick please. It’s not a pipe dream—it’s just asset maximization.

  79. thenoblefacehumper: I mean the ping pong balls are distributed independent of a team’s intent, and it’s not like all non top-5 picks are created equal. 7 is better than 10, and so on.

    Thanks, I needed that…

  80. Granted, I haven’t seen Robinson play much in my life, but I posed the question here over the summer and got scolded off: how is Robinson better than Jarrett Allen? Does the same answer then still hold for now? Cause I just don’t see it.

  81. Max:

    We need to change two players in the starting five and give Rivers’ minute to Frank.

    You can’t tell me Frank couldn’t do what Bullock did tonight…which was nothing.

  82. Donnie Walsh:
    Granted, I haven’t seen Robinson play much in my life, but I posed the question here over the summer and got scolded off: how is Robinson better than Jarrett Allen?

    He’s not.

  83. Starting Lineup should change.
    Thibs should stop watching workouts and start REwatching games.
    We need serious adjustments.

  84. the bulls played well… they were pretty prepared with some nice offensive sets.. and we were on the tail end of a back 2 back….

    it’s not like we’re wildly better than the bulls….

  85. Ntilakilla: You can’t tell me Frank couldn’t do what Bullock did tonight…which was nothing.

    I at 28 could have done what Bullock did tonight :-)

  86. BigBlueAL:
    I dont know whats more frustrating, watching this type of loss or reading people here talk about oh well at least its good for the tank.This team isnt tanking and is not going to try to tank, stop with these fairytale dreams of tanking and getting a Top 5 pick.

    I think that’s mental pivoting to mute the pain of losing a winnable game that the team did not play well in, especially defensively (save for certain spurts).
    Something about the rhythm of the offense was bad tonight. three-point shooting is about rhythm, and it just looked like the ball movement was anti-rhythm – like me when I was 13 years old.

  87. Z-man:
    How about the Hornets beating the Heat in OT? Monk with 36 points on 18 shots!

    Well, the idea on the previous thread to switch DSJ for Monk expired quite fast! ;)

  88. What year was Monk drafted again? Wasn’t there talk about the Knicks being interested in drafting Monk?

  89. Ntilakilla:
    Wow, people here have turned on Mitch.

    I haven’t. He just didn’t play well today. Noel played better defensively but was meh on offense.

  90. BigBlueAL:
    What year was Monk drafted again?Wasn’t there talk about the Knicks being interested in drafting Monk?

    There was, because it was believed he was the most Knicksiest pick at the time…

  91. BigBlueAL:
    What year was Monk drafted again? Wasn’t there talk about the Knicks being interested in drafting Monk?

    2017. The Knicks were undecided between Frank, DSJ and Monk. As they didn’t knew which player to choose, they let the lame duck POBO make the pick and he selected Frank for the triangle we were just getting away from. I think this sums it up pretty well.

  92. Yes that’s right, also there was some talk about Donovan Mitchell too. JFC if only the Knicks wouldn’t have blown the Frank and Knox picks.

  93. Mitch was a phenom in year 1 with unlimited potential. But in year 3, he’s still a one-dimensional offensive player. I wonder where he’ll be next year and what his next contract will look like.

  94. It’s funny, Quickley is scoring well without the three. Imagine if he starts hitting his threes!

  95. Brian Cronin:
    It’s funny, Quickley is scoring well without the three. Imagine if he starts hitting his threes!

    should read ‘imagine WHEN he starts hitting 3s’

  96. Bullock 1-7, 0-4 on threes, 4 pts in 22 minutes.

    Rivers 0-4, 1 pt in 15 minutes.

    Yeah, I think Frank could do that.

  97. The double barreled tank, baby.

    On a related note how is Chris Paul still so fucking good? I am 26 and have definitely experienced some age related decline.

  98. Z-man:
    Mitch was a phenom in year 1 with unlimited potential. But in year 3, he’s still a one-dimensional offensive player. I wonder where he’ll be next year and what his next contract will look like.

    He’s going to be here. We’ll decline the option for next year to have him as a restricted free agent this summer (avoiding the risk of letting him go away for nothing in 2022 as an UFA).

  99. I’m not rooting for us to lose, but when we do lose it eases the sting to think about how it helps the tank. We now have the 7th & 9th picks in the draft. That’s nice to think about.

  100. Wow Chris Paul missed a bunny

    I think he was trying to throw it off the backboard to Ayton, weirdly enough.

  101. I am still pro-Mitch and think shit like having Noel out there to close the game because he may have been playing a little bit better tonight (thought it was close, he was more active defensively but useless offensively) is an unfortunate side effect of having a coach who chases every win

  102. CP3 leading this Suns team is so fun to watch, I almost get a jealous that we never got to see him with us, even though it obviously didn’t make sense sense trade for him. Always been my favorite to watch out of his generation of mega stars.

  103. Chris Paul is a lot more like LeBron James than he is a normal basketball player. He’ll probably be great next year, too.

  104. Mitch is playing better than last season and clearly better than Noel, but Noel is a fine backup, so if Noel closes over Mitch occasionally, it’s not a big deal (I don’t think it is a good idea, but it’s not a big deal). That said, that the Knicks don’t try featuring the pick and roll with Mitch, like, ever, is a big knock on Thibs. “Oh, we musn’t try to mess up this amazing 24th ranked offense by trying something new!”

  105. Hubert:
    I’m not rooting for us to lose, but when we do lose it eases the sting to think about how it helps the tank. We now have the 7th & 9th picks in the draft. That’s nice to think about.

    DAL is tied for 6th, and yes we’re 9th. So if the season ended now, we would have a 55% chance to get to the Top4 with one of the picks. Amazing isn’t it?

  106. I’m calling two top four picks in the 2021 draft.

    Then maybe… maybe… Strat will admit the Porzingis trade worked out.

  107. Brian Cronin:
    Mitch is playing better than last season and clearly better than Noel, but Noel is a fine backup, so if Noel closes over Mitch occasionally, it’s not a big deal (I don’t think it is a good idea, but it’s not a big deal). That said, that the Knicks don’t try featuring the pick and roll with Mitch, like, ever, is a big knock on Thibs. “Oh, we musn’t try to mess up this amazing 24th ranked offense by trying something new!”

    thenoblefacehumper:
    I am still pro-Mitch and think shit like having Noel out there to close the game because he may have been playing a little bit better tonight (thought it was close, he was more active defensively but useless offensively) is an unfortunate side effect of having a coach who chases every win

    All this may be true, but there is a major endowment effect thing going on with Mitch. Is he actually any better than Robert Williams on the C’s? Nobody talks about RW like he’s a budding superstar…

  108. it’s going to be tough for the mavs to squeeze into the playoffs unless golden state or portland fade… which is possible… but you also have san antonio who is likely going to be somewhere in the mix also…

    going to be a real dogfight for them….

  109. Chris Paul is amazing. I’d love to see his numbers on midrange jumpers in the clutch. He never seems to miss.

    I have watched him play hundreds of hours and throwing a pass off the backboard in that spot does not seem his style.

    I don’t know what the hell is going on with Mitch but I don’t think Thibs is doing all this because he wants to sign him to a cheap extension.

    Noel is a nice player but he is not a future piece in the way Mitch could be, with a little help.

  110. Take no Mavs loss for granted. As much as I enjoy seeing some winning basketball, two high picks in this draft could change the franchise for a decade. BRING ONE LAST TANK TO ME.

  111. robert williams has played 800 minutes in his career and already a year old older than mitch… mitch is the starting center of the #7 defense in the league with defensive stalwart julius randle as his frontcourt partner…

    this is not close…

  112. The Richard Greico reference deserves two thumbs up. That show was a long forgotten 21 Jump Street spinoff I enjoyed in the late 80s early 90s.

  113. djphan:
    robert williams has played 800 minutes in his career and already a year old older than mitch… mitch is the starting center of the #7 defense in the league with defensive stalwart julius randle as his frontcourt partner…

    this is not close…

    I guess all the discussions about per minute stats being consistent are moot because you say they are.

  114. robert williams has played 800 minutes in his career and already a year old older than mitch… mitch is the starting center of the #7 defense in the league with defensive stalwart julius randle as his frontcourt partner…

    this is not close…

    Mitch’s centrality to a really good defense is very important.

  115. it’s going to be tough for the mavs to squeeze into the playoffs unless golden state or portland fade… which is possible… but you also have san antonio who is likely going to be somewhere in the mix also…

    They’re booking a lot of losses early. Those losses don’t go away.

  116. Brian Cronin: Mitch’s centrality to a really good defense is very important.

    Are you so sure that switching them out would affect our defensive rating? Have you really looked at RW’s per minute stats?

  117. Brian Cronin: They’re booking a lot of losses early. Those losses don’t go away.

    Their schedule gets softer and KP and LD are going to get better with each other. I think they’ll be closer to .500 in a month. They might miss the playoffs because the West is so tough but they will likely improve. Carlisle is a good coach and they have decent players.

  118. I don’t think any of us is saying Mitch is a star, Z-Man. I think many of us think if he’s developed right, he can be a good center, like the 18M centers (eg. Myles Turner or Clint Capela). That’s a good player to have, isn’t it?

  119. The’r schedule gets softer and KP and LD are going to get better with each other. I think they’ll be closer to .500 in a month. They might miss the playoffs because the West is so tough but they will likely improve. Carlisle is a good coach and they have decent players.

    That’s my point, though. I agree that they will improve, but that’s why them banking all of these losses early is so important.

  120. Brian Cronin: That’s my point, though. I agree that they will improve, but that’s why them banking all of these losses early is so important.

    And there’s a non zero chance that the season gets derailed by covid and doesn’t get near the 72 games, so who’s behind stays behind.

  121. cybersoze:
    I don’t think any of us is saying Mitch is a star, Z-Man. I think many of us think if he’s developed right, he can be a good center, like the 18M centers (eg. Myles Turner or Clint Capela). That’s a good player to have, isn’t it?

    I don’t know if that is currently true, but people definitely thought of him as a potential star in year 1. Can we at least agree that he is not anything all that special in today’s game? In other words, closer to the Nerlens Noels than the Christian Woods? In otyher words, if he’s included in a trade for an actually really good player, it’s not a big deal?

  122. cybersoze: cybersoze
    February 1, 2021 at 11:30 pm
    Brian Cronin: That’s my point, though. I agree that they will improve, but that’s why them banking all of these losses early is so important.

    And there’s a non zero chance that the season gets derailed by covid and doesn’t get near the 72 games, so who’s behind stays behind.

    Sure. I just wanted to clarify that their current record is not likely to be a reflection of where it will wind up after 72 games.

  123. Yeah, it still seems super early but we’re reaching the 1/3 mark of the season really fast with the condensed schedule. I wouldn’t be too sure the Mavs are definitely getting there, if Porzingis takes too long to get to 100% or never does, they’re not really a playoff team, the west is still ruthless. The Grizzlies, Suns, Blazers and Warriors will all be hard to beat, and you still have to play the LA teams, Jokic in MVP form and Utah blazing hot… the Mavs are currently 4-8 inside the conference

  124. Bruno Almeida:
    Yeah, it still seems super early but we’re reaching the 1/3 mark of the season really fast with the condensed schedule. I wouldn’t be too sure the Mavs are definitely getting there, if Porzingis takes too long to get to 100% or never does, they’re not really a playoff team, the west is still ruthless. The Grizzlies, Suns, Blazers and Warriors will all be hard to beat, and you still have to play the LA teams, Jokic in MVP form and Utah blazing hot… the Mavs are currently 4-8 inside the conference

    Well even a .500 record is not a lock for a top-8 team in the West. I think the real question is whether they will be in the 9-10 spot or whether we will get a live lottery pick out of them. If I had to settle on a 4-pick range, I would bet on a 12-15 pick. Which is fine! Anything better than that is a bonus.

  125. Chris Paul is 35 years old and 6 feet tall. Nobody from his draft class is still in the NBA. He just dropped 34-9-9 on some of the best athletes in the world who are all much younger and bigger than him. That shit is incredible.

  126. Their schedule gets softer and KP and LD are going to get better with each other. I think they’ll be closer to .500 in a month. They might miss the playoffs because the West is so tough but they will likely improve. Carlisle is a good coach and they have decent players.

    Or… they’re having an unlucky season. Porzingis and Doncic start to hate each other. Janis Porzingis gets involved. Tim Hardaway Jr boards a team plane with asymptomatic covid. Josh Richardson pulls a hammy. The possibilities are endless.

    Start thinking Evan Mobley vs Jalen Green.

  127. Sure. I just wanted to clarify that their current record is not likely to be a reflection of where it will wind up after 72 games.

    Sure, but that’s the point of noting that they’re banking a lot of losses early. Those losses don’t go away, so the more early losses they take, the harder it is to make them up.

  128. Brian Cronin: Sure, but that’s the point of noting that they’re banking a lot of losses early. Those losses don’t go away, so the more early losses they take, the harder it is to make them up.

    I disagree on this,,,barring injury, teams will wind up being who they are. Put differently, where do you predict they will end up in terms of draft ranking? I said 12-15. Would you bet outside that range? If you had to bet outside it, would you take the over or under?

  129. DRed:
    Chris Paul is 35 years old and 6 feet tall.Nobody from his draft class is still in the NBA.He just dropped 34-9-9 on some of the best athletes in the world who are all much younger and bigger than him.That shit is incredible.

    I only know this because I looked it up when we played the Clips but Lou Williams was the same draft year.

    He really is incredible though and while a lot of people seem not to like him I’d root for him to win a title.

  130. I only know this because I looked it up when we played the Clips but Lou Williams was the same draft year.

    He is incredible though.

    Want to feel old-it was the David Lee draft

  131. I really can’t believe Paul and Lebron are older than me and still playing at this level. The Knicks have always disappointed us, but at least we can say we’ve had some hella impressive stuff to watch in the NBA in those 2 decades.

  132. And maybe in the next decade too.

    Lebron is shooting a career high 41% from three this year on a career high 6.8 attempts per game.

  133. We had 4 wins through the same number of games last year. Fizdale was fired after this game, coming on the heels of 2 blowout losses (a combined 81pt deficit).

  134. when you’re an alltime great you can play for a really long time because you can decline and still be a top 10-50 player… magic didn’t play for 5 seasons and had freaking hiv and put up a 5bpm .181 ws48 season at age 35…

    that’s why a 3 year deal for cp3 wouldn’t be all that crazy.. if he can avoid injury…

  135. I mean, why didn’t the Rockets want Jarrett Allen? The nba makes no sense to me some days…

  136. I disagree on this,,,barring injury, teams will wind up being who they are. Put differently, where do you predict they will end up in terms of draft ranking? I said 12-15. Would you bet outside that range? If you had to bet outside it, would you take the over or under?

    I agree that they are almost certainly not finishing in the bottom six teams in the league, so sure, 12-15 isn’t unreasonable. The issue is that if we assume that they’re still really the .570 winning team they were last year, playing the remaining 51 games at a .570 pace would leave them at 37-35 at season’s end. Maybe they’re better than a .570 team, in which case they’ll be fine. What if they’re slightly worse, though?

    But yes, the important thing is that they are almost certainly not as bad as they have looked so far.

  137. The 12th pick would be massive to be honest, this draft seems a bit crapshooty but there’s a lot of talent. Anything higher is just a bonus, and let’s not forget the wild jumps happening at the lottery since the system changed (not that’s its likely that we’ll get lucky this way since we never do, but there’s a chance)

  138. I don’t think any of us is saying Mitch is a star, Z-Man. I think many of us think if he’s developed right, he can be a good center, like the 18M centers (eg. Myles Turner or Clint Capela). That’s a good player to have, isn’t it?

    As improved as Mitch is defensively, is this version of him worth $18 million in the modern NBA? Turner has a much more versatile and consistent offensive game, and Danny Ainge wouldn’t take him basically for free in a Hayward sign-and-trade. Capela has gone off in this recent stretch of games in a way that suggests the platonic ideal of Mitch — or, at least, a version of Mitch who gets featured in the pick-and-roll much more often than the actual Mitch — and I’m still not sure how many teams in the league would want to take on that contract. Unless a guy is a Gobert-level game changer of a defender — which Mitch can be, but isn’t right now, especially night to night — there’s just a limit on how much the league currently values centers who are limited on offense. Mitch is a fantastic player to have on his current contract, and would be great to still have if his next contract was in, say, the $10-14 million range. Once it starts creeping above that, though, he’s a guy you can’t move as well as someone whose deal makes it harder to acquire other players to place around him.

    All of which is me saying that I’ve gone from wanting to tear out what’s left of my hair if the team were to trade Mitch, to being at peace with the idea depending on the circumstances and return.

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