(Thursday, December 06, 2018 8:15:00 PM)
BOSTON – The Celtics wanted revenge and punished their inferior opponent.
Just about two weeks after the Knicks pulled off an upset in Beantown, the Celtics returned the favor Thursday with a wire-to-wire 128-100 blowout victory that had Kyrie Irving giddy.
“We should have fun kicking people’s…
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 9:40:00 AM)
BOSTON – Despite the continued losing and ugly record, Knicks coach David Fizdale says New York will be an attractive destination for free agents this summer because his new regime has reversed the negative perception of the organization.
And while touting those changes, Fizdale also provided a…
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 4:45:24 PM)
Speaking today to reporters, including Stefan Bondy of The New York Daily News, Knicks head coach David Fizdale expressed a belief that the franchise will be an attractive destination for 2019 free agents. As Fizdale explains, he and the current management group have worked hard to change the idea that the Knicks are a toxic […]
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 5:52:05 PM)
BOSTON — The Celtics are finally winning and not losing their memories. Thursday night’s game stood to be a dicey challenge for David Fizdale’s baby Knicks, making their TNT season debut two weeks after shocking the Celtics on Thanksgiving Eve in Boston. “It’s definitely a game that I remember, so as a competitor I can’t…
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 1:57:57 PM)
BOSTON — Lance Thomas’ return to action is imminent. Thomas, who underwent arthroscopic knee surgery Nov. 9, looked very active during Thursday’s morning shootaround at TD Garden, and Knicks coach David Fizdale indicated he is close to being back in the mix. The longest-tenured Knick, Thomas began the season as starting power forward, but his…
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 9:09:30 AM)
BOSTON — Up in the land of Kyrie, Knicks coach David Fizdale gave his strongest case yet that the Knicks have become an attractive free-agent destination after 25 games on the job. The Knicks are closing in on having cap space for a maximum salary this summer but have work to do. Celtics point guard…
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:47:09 PM)
The Knicks failed to repeat their victory against the Celtics two weeks ago as they got blown out Thursday night in Boston, 128-100.
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:08:22 PM)
LeBron James reportedly wants Carmelo Anthony to join the Lakers.
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 6:52:47 PM)
David Fizdale and the Knicks are at the 25-game mark. So how is everything looking so far?
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 9:34:46 PM)
The Knicks are 25 games into the 2018-19 season, but most fans are excited to see what they do in the 2019 NBA Draft.
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 6:00:21 PM)
It was just two weeks ago that the Boston Celtics staged a frantic comeback but came up just short and lost to the New York Knicks, who were 4-16 at the time.
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 12:11:21 PM)
Knicks forward Lance Thomas took part in Thursday morning’s shootaround as he nears his return from knee surgery.
(Friday, December 07, 2018 4:48:13 AM)
Boston won its fourth straight, avenging a home loss in November, while the Knicks have now lost four of their last five games.
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 11:38:12 PM)
He failed to tell government agencies of his acquisition of additional voting securities in the Madison Square Garden Company, the government says.
(Thursday, December 06, 2018 12:39:05 PM)
Durant says media attention and the way James controls a game are reasons other players stay away.
39 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.12.07)”
Regarding last night’s discussion of minutes distribution, I’d be fine with it if Frank was playing at least a little. This team was put together with a lot of placeholders, plus your odd Courtney Lee (and maybe Mario and Mudiay) who they need to showcase a bit in hopes of trading him. There aren’t that many guys who are unquestionably going to be here next year. That in and of itself isn’t ideal roster construction, but you also can’t just force feee minutes to Mitch on nights when he’s fouling everyone, or to Knox when he can’t throw the ball in the ocean. But if they have all of Hezonja’s minutes to Frank – and more if he happens to be playing well that night – I’d be okay with it.
I’m really hoping this is just tough love from Fizdale and that Frank will get another chance in the rotation. If they’ve already given up on him, that’s idiotic.
Who was the last “veteran” player the Knicks actually were able to trade mid-season? Lee and KOQ were discussed last year but nothing came of it. Were JR and Shumpert the last ones?
I’m skeptical of their ability to pull the trigger, too, but this is the first year we know definitively that they’re trying to move Lee. And that they have no interest in making the playoffs. Mudiay is going to be a weird case, because they’re invested in him as their reclamation project and/or because they view him (if so, probably very foolishly) as part of Plan B if Durant doesn’t come, so I don’t know what a non-trade of him would tell us about Perry. But if Lee’s still here after the deadline, it’s only because they couldn’t find anybody to take him without the sweeteners becoming too onerous.
Big week for the tank, we could easily go 5-5 in our next 10. I would prefer 3-7 as a realistic floor, but with the Nets, Hawks, Suns, Cavs and 2x Hornets, that will be a tall order. The good news is, after that, we have a stretch where going 0-10 is very possible. So 5-15 in the next 20, how’s that sound?
You have to make hay while the Sun shines my friend! 🙂
Neptune, like the Knicks, doesn’t get much sunshine….
Nahhhh I work at night and am poolside in Florida by 11 AM 🙂
maybe u should change ur name to bobmercury…
I love games like this. They were terrible, and they were terrible because of all the right guys. If you want to tank, you have to suffer a lot of these pointless losses.
This year, I’d rank the best possible outcomes of every game in this order:
Optimal: when we get blown out while playing all the veterans and pending free agents as they expose how truly awful they are.
Acceptable: when we win because the kids played well
Suboptimal: when we lose because the kids played terrible and they suffer consequences for their bad play
Unacceptable: when we win because the veterans played well while the pending free agents increased the value of their next contract at our expense.
When does Hezonja get the franchise tag from us?
The real problem with our team is the total lack of talent. We literally have nothing we can trade, develop or secure.
We are not seeing progress because no meaningful progress is possible with this group of players. It’s a depressing picture and there’s no clear path forward other than expecting a draft miracle. And even then, it will be years before we can assemble a decent roster.
Phil Jackson’s legacy.
I’m curious ProjectKnicks, what do you think of Robinson? No chance of development or meaningful progress? I’m not sure how you can’t be at least a little optimistic about him. What about Trier? Dotson? I’m looking for specifics for these 3 (but mainly Robinson).
Question for the more cap savvy among us–could we negotiate an in-season extension with Vonleh? I’m starting to become a true believer and I can’t seem to find anything online about whether or not we can do that. It seems very rare but I think I remember Z-Bo signing one with Memphis a number of years ago. Different CBA though so I’m not sure.
I would offer him the KOQ deal (4/$16m) right now. He might want more but it also might be hard for a guy who was just passed up by everyone to turn down $16m guaranteed.
If he’s (understandably) not interested then we should look to trade him ASAP.
I know we give Fizdale a lot of hate, and he deserves it, but a few good things he may have done perplex me: Somehow, fringe players, most of whom I thought were low-upside, are much better: Mudiay (actually playable) and Vonleh (career highs in every category); less so Dotson (career highs in every category). He may also plays rookies more minutes than any other coach I can think of. He doesn’t have much choice, but I can see other coaches playing guys like Kanter more.
His play of Hezonja has to be coming from the top, it’s just too disparate from his other rotations moves, most of which are predictable if you just say (a) players who produce across the stat sheet play more, (b) isolation offense is a good thing, (c) defense is something that’s important only when speaking to the media, and (d) benching guys will get them to play harder.
I think some of the Fizdale hate is a little overblown, but not playing Frank in a game where Kyrie is torching us, Mudiay and Dotson are playing like shit, and Trier isn’t doing much just seems punitive.
Question for the more cap savvy among us–could we negotiate an in-season extension with Vonleh?
No, you can only extend guys who are on three-year deals (or more), like Z-Bo was.
Edited to add: I should have gone for the more succinct answer like ptmilo. 😉
Now it is easy to understand why Fizdale was fired in Memphis. What’s the reason not play Frank? He is not good enough to play?! I don’t care what Fizdale thinks of Frank’s talent, Frank was our lottery pick and we are trying to maximize losses. You play Frank over almost anyone else on the squad, even if you think his chances of being a long term starter are just 10%. This situation reeks of favoritism and head games with players. In other words, replay of Memphis. In the NBA, managing the team >>> managing the game. Team management in the NBA = to recruitment in college basketball. Who would hire a college coach who cannot recruit?
Hate is strong. We’re just waiting for him to show us what he brings to the table besides being slick.
So we can’t extend Vonleh but we can prematurely extend Mudiay. Great.
As far as I know it’s impossible, because one year deals don’t allow for extensions. Even one year deals can be renegotiated but only for certain things, like changing the amount of money guaranteed, changing the payment schedule etc, but not to add more years. Contracts for 3 or fewer seasons cannot be extended under any circumstances, and if I recall correctly it has something to do with bird rights, an extension can only be made if the player would have full bird rights at the end of his pre-extension contract.
I’d say there’s about a 5% chance that Frank is in the dungeon strictly due to Fizdale. It seems more likely that it’s a front office thing, so I can’t get on Fiz much for it.
Thanks y’all. Good to know we signed multiple contracts that could not even conceivably help us.
Also, I could be wrong but when I play around with the capulator it seems like we can’t open up enough space for Durant’s max unless we trade or stretch one of Lee/THJ. Not that I’m all in on the “Durant or bust” plan but since the front office is, my money is on another team getting Lee with some sweetener attached.
Rookie contracts like Mudiay’s have special rules. I believe that you can’t extend them once they have begun their fourth season. That’s why there is always a point where all of the rookies sign their extensions.
You are not wrong. I believe they have to make a move still to even free up room for Kemba Walker’s smaller max contract.
I’m really not banking on Vonleh being authentically better than his career averages. He had taken 145 3PA at a 29.5% rate and he’d taken a greater share from the corner during those attempts. So either Vonleh is a weirdo who shoots worse from 22 feet than 24, or he’s turned into the 7th-most accurate distance shooter in the league.
I’m just not ready to anoint this guy for 666 minutes that are far, far, above his career eFG%, when he’s got 3600 previous minutes of being a total scrub.
No one here is going to argue that Fizdale has an actual offensive system (their passing can look nice but the screens are terrible and no one gets great shot attempts), so what do we attribute the outlier to? Sustainable self-development, or a statistical aberration?
They all seem to be on the same page to me. I don’t think Fizdale would bench a player he didn’t want to.
I don’t think Fiz is secretly seething or anything, as I don’t think he has any special affinity for anyone on the team, but even when people are on the same page, typically the front office are still the ones who are writing the page.
@ 11 – Massive eye roll.
Something about restraining leg motion and a curb.
I, for one, don’t, and don’t think he deserves it.
More conjecture based on circumstantial evidence and nothing else. There are plenty of good reasons why any coach at this point in time would bench a 20yo in the 2nd year of a rookie deal who has been playing like a complete scrub for the entire season. It’s also in the context of him having benched other players. Why was no one here saying anything about FO meddling when Burke was benched, or Dotson? Or when Kanter was demoted, then reinserted in the starting lineup?
Not saying that it isn’t happening, only that there is zero evidence to say that it is, and even if it is, it is hardly inconsistent with a reasonable approach to young player development. There’s no urgency whatsoever to play Frank right now. You could make a much more compelling argument for meddling if he were sent to the G-League.
I don’t think there’s any reason to prefer playing Ntilikina to sitting him. It helps us evaluate him, but I think playing every day is overrated as developing young players. Playing him everyday was CLEARLY not working.
I think you’re right on this, Z-Man. Benching Frank is consistent with everything we’ve seen from Fiz, and his play merits the benching.
Minutes played doesn’t really help a player develop as much as we think it would, either. Studies show young players get better with age regardless of whether or not they played 500 minutes when they were 20 or 2,000 minutes.
And as I mentioned during the game thread last night, it only bothers me if we bench him because we’re chasing meaningless, counterproductive wins. As long as we get blown out, he can sit for all I care. It’s probably better for him than playing like garbage.
If Frank’s play merits benching then explain to me why Knox continues to get minutes while being lazy on D and a ball hog on offense. Same with Hezonja (though he isn’t a ball hog like Knox is). There is literally no good reason to not play Frank because of his performance while continuing to play Knox and Hezonja in what is allegedly a development year.
What is Fizdale trying to maximize? Is it wins? No! Is it player development? Does not seem so. He is playing Mario, who is hopeless. Is it trade value? No one is trading for Mudiay, or Mario. Is Mudiay even close to being worth $5.7mm qualifying offer come summer? No, not even close. Mario has no trade value, his contract runs out this year, and he is making $6.5mm! Who is going to give up anything for that? The only acceptable alternative theory to Fizdale’s poor team management, is a strong possibility that the front office has a serious case of sunk cost fallacy. They are paying more for Mario and Mudiay than Frank, so they have to play them more.
Hear me out: Knox vs. Frank – 1v1…who are you taking? More importantly, who are you taking in a 3v3?
It’s definitely wins, Zulu.
And we may see that Hezonja is hopeless but the Knicks see a ton of talent waiting to be unlocked, so they’re being patient. They’re dead wrong, but that’s what they see.
I think sitting Frank for a week or whatever it is way overblown. Fiz literally said yesterday Frank is going to get a ton more minutes this year. This hemming and hawing is ridiculous. One thing that the players seem to all say about him is that he is a good communicator. I would imagine he is communicating with Frank quite closely on the expectations and reasoning here.
There’s a new thread for these posts, y’all