Knicks Morning News (2018.11.17)

  • [RotoWire]
    Elfrid Payton: Will start vs. Knicks

    (Friday, November 16, 2018 4:16:00 PM)

    Elfrid Payton: Payton (ankle) is starting Friday’s game against New York, Andrew Lopez of The New Orleans Times-Picayune reports.

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  • [TheRinger]
    Elfrid Payton: Will start vs. Knicks

    (Friday, November 16, 2018 4:16:00 PM)

    Elfrid Payton: Payton (ankle) is starting Friday’s game against New York, Andrew Lopez of The New Orleans Times-Picayune reports.

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  • [NYDN] Anthony Davis is too much for young Knicks to handle as they suffer another fourth-quarter collapse
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 9:20:00 PM)

    If not for Anthony Davis’ determination to dominate inside for most of his 40 minutes on the court, the New Orleans Pelicans could have been blown out by the Knicks.

    Davis scored a season-high 43 points and grabbed 17 rebounds, and New Orleans overcame an 11-point, fourth-quarter deficit to beat…

  • [NYDN] Tanks for nothing! New NBA draft lottery rules could change the way Knicks and other lousy teams chase after losses
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 1:10:00 PM)

    With every unbelievable Zion Williamson display of athleticism, Knicks fans turn giddier about the prospect of losing every game possible.

    But tanking enthusiasts beware: the rules have changed. It’s no longer so rewarding to lose.

    Faced with widespread tanking masked as ‘rebuilding’ and ‘player…

  • [FOXsports] Davis scores 43 points, Pelicans rally to beat Knicks
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 11:56:33 PM)

    Holiday finished with 24 points and 10 assists, and Nikola Mirotic had 12 points and 10 rebounds for New Orleans.

  • [FOXsports] HIGHLIGHTS: Anthony Davis puts up 43 in comeback win over Knicks
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 11:33:05 PM)

    HIGHLIGHTS: Anthony Davis puts up 43 in comeback win over Knicks

  • [Newsday] Davis scores 43 points, Pelicans rally to beat Knicks
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 11:56:33 PM)

    Holiday finished with 24 points and 10 assists, and Nikola Mirotic had 12 points and 10 rebounds for New Orleans.

  • [Newsday] HIGHLIGHTS: Anthony Davis puts up 43 in comeback win over Knicks
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 11:33:05 PM)

    HIGHLIGHTS: Anthony Davis puts up 43 in comeback win over Knicks

  • [NYPost] David Fizdale happy with rookie trio despite Knicks’ late fade
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 9:43:58 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — The Knicks’ rookie power trio started together for the first time this season and coach David Fizdale liked what he saw despite the team’s fourth-quarter fade at Smoothie King Center. Fizdale made one more starting lineup tweak, adding undrafted rookie guard Allonzo Trier in a small-ball shuffle that sent power forward Noah…

  • [NYPost] When Mitchell Robinson first became shot-blocking machine
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 8:42:44 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — Butch Stockton laughed when asked if he was surprised Knicks starting center Mitchell Robinson blocked nine shots in a game — the franchise record for a rookie. The Chalmette High School coach has seen Robinson block more shots than anyone. As senior in 2016-17 for Chalmette, “The Cajun Kid” rejected eight per…

  • [NYPost] Burke calls out Knicks after team blows big lead to Davis, Pelicans
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 5:51:45 PM)

    NEW ORLEANS — A small-ball change that had the Knicks’ three rookies together in the starting lineup for the first time looked good for a long while before the Pelicans’ size and Anthony Davis’ 43-point greatness proved too much in the end. The Knicks led by 19 points in the first half, by 11 inside…

  • [NYPost] Knicks are going all-in with their rookies
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 9:32:41 AM)

    NEW ORLEANS – The Knicks’ rookie power trio will start together for the first time this season. David Fizdale has made one more starting lineup tweak, adding undrafted rookie guard Allonzo Trier in a small-ball shuffle that sends power forward Noah Vonleh to the bench and 2018 lottery pick Kevin Knox from small to power…

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: The Rocky Rockets Settle Down and the Warriors Get Weird
    (Saturday, November 17, 2018 3:04:18 AM)

    Peace and wins may be breaking out in Houston. As for those guys from the Bay Area, it’s going in the other direction.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Carmelo Anthony: The Square-Peg Superstar
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 9:25:37 PM)

    Another N.B.A. chapter ends poorly for Anthony, who always seems to be unable, or unwilling, to fit in.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks takeaways from 129-124 loss to Pelicans
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 11:12:53 PM)

    The Knicks led for 45 minutes but still could not come away with a win as Anthony Davis and the Pelicans prove to be too much.

  • [SNY Knicks] David Fizdale’s new Knicks lineup to be tested vs. Pelicans at 8 p.m.
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 6:54:29 PM)

    Knicks coach David Fizdale changed his lineup at Oklahoma City on Wednesday, but New York lost 128-103 in its third consecutive lopsided loss even though the Thunder played without All-Star guard Russell Westbrook.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Allonzo Trier to join rookies Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson in starting five vs. Pelicans
    (Friday, November 16, 2018 2:21:02 PM)

    Knicks head coach David Fizdale’s lineup experiment continues on Friday night when his starting five will feature all three rookies for the first time this season.

  • 47 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.11.17)”

    The other German suggestions were good. I also thought of gultigfreude for when Mudiays your firm predictions that he will always be awful. It means guilty pleasure.

    Looking at Mudiay’s career TS%, he went from .434 as a rookie, to .484 his second year, and in Denver he was a .504 before he got traded here (and saw his TS% take a mighty dip down to .428). This season he’s up to a .537, which seems in line with the progression he had been making year over year. He’s still only 22 (23 in March), and his biggest issue from watching him play is the guy simply can’t convert lay ups. If he figures out that part of the game and cuts his turnovers down, he may eventually look like a back up point guard.

    Last night he looked like a starting pg don’t lie to yourself. In fact he looked like the best oh we’ve seen here in years. For one nite.
    Why didn’t he play down the stretch ?

    I hate to admit it but yes, Mudiay has looked like our best PG this year.

    He and Burke combined for 1 assist last night, though.

    Like al Hahn pointed out with regards to one assist ‘Hey like Clyde says “sometimes you’re the one who’s the open Man”

    Yeah, Mudiay has had a problem similar to frank where he passes up open shots. Last night, all but one or two of his shots were the best possible shots for that possession. He’s guilty until proven innocent, but he had a good game last night.

    Brian, during the game thread, Owen asked if there was a German word for the feeling that Mudiay might be a good player. Z-man suggested scrubschenfreude, ptmilo suggested dennisschroderfraude, and Jowles suggested fortgeschrittener Gehirntumor. I was late with my two cents.

    It just kills me that the wasted cap space on lee and THJr are going to prevent a major transformation of this franchise

    Don’t forget Noah. We had $48mm committed to those 3 next year. Reduced to 36 by the stretch.

    Don’t forget lee I’ll come back and win us a few games with vet presence and good shooting. Last nite he would’ve played down the stretch

    Mudiay has a long way to go before he’s any good. Right now he’s at the stage where he gets some extra very good looks because defenses are more worried about other options. If he gets to the stage where he’s knocking down open looks consistently enough, he’ll stop getting the same looks.

    In the beginning of the season Frank was WIDE open. He had a chance to set his feet and shoot in rhythm. That’s why I immediately predicted a decline. He started making a few so defenses tightened up a little and now some of them are tougher. That’s part of what Trier and Dotson are going through too. Everyone knows you can’t leave Trier wide open and that he can create and score efficiently off the dribble. So they are tightening up.

    Brian, during the game thread, Owen asked if there was a German word for the feeling that Mudiay might be a good player. Z-man suggested scrubschenfreude, ptmilo suggested dennisschroderfraude, and Jowles suggested fortgeschrittener Gehirntumor. I was late with my two cents.

    Gotcha, I thought it was one of the articles shared in the Morning News and I couldn’t find it.

    I’d like to see some examples of Mudiay getting open looks because of reputation. That sounds like nebulous spacing conjecture. He’s a 6’5” guard on a terrible team with no real offensive scheme — no one is leaving him open.

    Jeez, Donovan Mitchell 31 points on 35 shots and zero assists vs. Philly last night. The next highest in shot attempts was 12 by Ingles .

    I don’t know if it’s coaching or something, but that doesn’t exactly seem like a recipe for long term success.

    On the other side of the coin, Butler was a beast, 28 points on 15 shots. I guess last night he was a good “fit”.

    There was a funny Tweet about Mitchell, “Donovan Mitchell is gonna be Efficiency Twitter™’s punching bag this season I see it coming already.” Oh, you mean the guy who had one of the all-time inefficient games is going to be criticized by people who like efficiency? Crazy!

    According to ESPN Stats & Information, it’s the first 35-shot, zero-assist outing in the NBA since Carmelo Anthony’s 62-point performance for the New York Knicks in a win over the Charlotte Bobcats on Jan. 24, 2014

    At least Melo got buckets

    It just kills me that the wasted cap space on lee and THJr are going to prevent a major transformation of this franchise

    In what way? We’re going to clear up a max spot even if it takes a 2nd round pick or two to do so. Their salaries could certainly be put to better use, but I don’t see them preventing a major transformation.

    Bold prediction:
    Unless Frank or Trey go on a 2-way tear, Mudiay isn’t giving up the starting nod for the foreseeable future. And, yes, he has been looking like a legit NBA 1 now that he’s starting to not get in his own way.

    Yeah, I think Mudiay will start unless and until he starts stinking up the joint. I also think that Fiz is losing patience with Frank as a PG, as he should.

    @18

    The media darling is getting unfairly targeted by blog boys, oh no! The whole narrative is already starting, oh but he was clutch in the 4th and they almost won, oh he was +1 for the game, oh the Jazz doesn’t have scorers.

    I love watching Mitchell sometimes but I have a good guess that it will turn sour very soon.

    @24

    That’s… actually a very accurate description. I would argue that Mitchell is probably a better defender because Westbrook sometimes barely tries, but OKC has been amazing on defense with him and his steals numbers have been great, so I don’t think there’s an edge here too.

    “I took 35 shots. That can’t happen. Zero assists,” Mitchell said after the Jazz’s 113-107 loss to the Philadelphia 76ers. “That’s not who I am. That’s not how I play. I know I’m still being aggressive, but I’ve got to be smart.”

    At least he owned up to it.

    would’ve been pretty interesting last night for Fizdale to try Frank on Jrue in that Brow PNR and switching it rather than whatever you call what they actually did. I don’t mind Jrue trying to take MitchRob 1-on-1 (interesting to watch at least), and I would bet that Frank would at least force Davis to take a tough shot whether on a post move or forcing him to drive a smaller player with quick feet.

    Robinson doesn’t really understand the spacing of how to show/recover etc. yet. I think we would’ve been much better off encouraging the Pels to play 1-on-1 even in a mismatch setting.

    Didn’t get to see the game last night, so I just watched the 1o minute You Tube vid where they show all the baskets.

    Knox looks pretty good when all his shots go in!

    If Frank is having shoulder issues maybe they should sit him for a bit- rolling him out there injured certainly isn’t going to help his confidence/shooting issues.

    So who can we displace from the current bottom 3 (Cleveland, Atlanta, Phoenix)? We are god awful but it still won’t be easy.

    I think we have the worst roster in the league. We’re in front now but time will even that out.

    I’d say PHX if they weren’t in the west. When ATL gets John Collins back, they might be a bit better. But doubtful that we will ever be as bad as them and CLE unless Timmy gets hurt.

    The 2011-12 Bobcats had an SRS of -13.96, which I believe is the 2nd-worst of all time. Even the 10-72 Sixers were around -10, which is typical for the league’s worst teams. The Hawks would be challenging for the worst SRS ever if they keep this up, currently sitting at -13.3. Their roster is utter garbage — there’s no one that I would take on the Knicks right now if my goal were to win more games. Plumlee, Bazemore, Dedmon, Len — all trash. Trae Young has been a dud, which is fine, but man, that Dallas trade looks worse and worse.

    Hard to see the Knicks as worse. Kanter is a sieve but still an elite offensive player. Hardaway has huge holes in his game but he’s at least a league-average SG. And of course, Mitch is the future at C, and is putting up great numbers when he sees the floor.

    Our SRS is -3.53, 23rd in the league. It seems unlikely we will get worse as the season goes on.

    You’re looking at last year’s SRS. This year we’re at -7.24, 26th in the league.

    Injuries could play a big part in the tank sweepstakes.
    The Knicks have so little talent. If for instance Hardaway and/or Kanter go down for an extended period of time scoring will be even harder to come by.

    Of course other teams will likely have injuries too. Cleveland and Atlanta do look tough to out suck. With his roster there is a chance the Knicks can do it.

    The comment on the last thread that Anthony Davis and KD are going to join LeBron with the Lakers next year made me violently nauseous. Of course the league mandated “steer the best players to the Lakers” policy will probably come into play and make this happen. Count on Davis ending up there.

    Anthony Davis should take 35 shots a game…

    He only took 20 tonight and barely managed to score 40 points.

    Mavs beat the Warriors! Another nice tank result.

    538 projecting the Mavs for 31 wins now, starting to pull away from us. 6 teams left with projections in the 20’s; not bad.

    Why would the league care if the Lakers are great? It wouldn’t help with revenue sharing. Thinking about it, it probably helps with the national TV contract, but then again, the same would be true if the NY teams were non-garbage…

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