Knicks Morning News (2018.02.21)

  • [ESPN] Hornacek: Knicks have moved on from Noah
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:53:23 PM)

    Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek isn’t sure if Joakim Noah will return before the end of the season, noting that the decision would come from team president Steve Mills and general manager Scott Perry.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks putting their young guards up
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:11:04 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — The changing of the guard is coming for the Knicks.

  • [NY Newsday] Jeff Hornacek confirms Joakim Noah won’t return to Knicks
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:34:00 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Jeff Hornacek wouldn’t comment on reports that he pushed Joakim Noah during their heated exchange last month in Denver. But Hornacek gave the strongest indications yet that Noah won’t be back with the Knicks.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks to sign Troy Williams
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:10:00 AM)

    The Knicks will sign forward Troy Williams to a 10-day contact, his agent Stephen Pina confirmed.

  • [NYPost] Emmanuel Mudiay, Frank Ntilikina about to get major look
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:21:09 PM)

    Youth will be served. At point guard for the Knicks. With 23 games remaining in a Knicks season going nowhere, a big part of what remains will be the development of their young point guards, rookie first-round pick Frank Ntilikina, 19, and trade-deadline acquisition Emmanuel Mudiay, 21. Throw in 25-year-old Trey Burke and there’s not…

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah’s expected Knicks end is near
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:49:14 PM)

    If a chance exists that Joakim Noah returns to the Knicks, it’s along the lines of one in a million. And those odds are high. Coach Jeff Hornacek, who declined comment on reports he shoved Noah, did not definitively label the center an ex-Knick, but gave strong indications he is not returning. “I think that…

  • [NYDN] Frank Ntilikina, other young Knicks to get more playing time
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:18:25 PM)

    Change is coming.

  • [NYDN] Jeff Hornacek doesn’t expect Joakim Noah to return to Knicks
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 5:47:50 PM)

    Hornacek does not expect Joakim Noah to return to the Knicks this year.

  • [NYDN] Breaking down Knicks’ stiff competition in final year of the tank
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:02:17 AM)

    Here’s a breakdown of New York’s competition for the most Ping Pong balls.

  • [NYTimes] Mavericks Begin Investigation After Misconduct Allegations
    (Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:39:44 AM)

    A report by Sports Illustrated detailed accusations against Terdema Ussery, the team’s former president and chief executive, as well as a toxic work environment for women.

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Knicks’ French connection
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:52:14 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Jeff Hornacek says Joakim Noah is ‘ready to move on’
    (Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:37:17 PM)

    Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek said center Joakim Noah is “ready to move on and maybe have an opportunity somewhere else,” according to Ian Begley of ESPN.

  • 50 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.02.21)”

    We don’t know where the Knicks will end up picking in late June but, at the moment, some in the organization are high on Michigan State forward Miles Bridges & Villanova wing Mikal Bridges.

    We need Trae Young or Michael Porter Jr in this draft. Either of the Bridges would be cute but a disappointment to me.

    We need two teams to jump us. A loss vs. Orlando tonight is a must and Chicago should pass us easily with their schedule.

    From yesterday’s thread – Jowles, I’d like to comment that if Lady Jowles describes your commentary as “low impact ranting” she must be one tough woman. Very Impressive.

    Re-stating the obvious but there is no benefit to the Knicks playing the vets over the young players and absolutely no advantage to winning any more games. They should be playing Burke, Frank, Dotson, Mudiay, and Kornet major minutes. Jack should get comfortable next to Hornacek on the bench, and if possible limit Beasley and Hardaway from going off and producing meaningless wins. Getting into the top 8 or 10 picks in this draft would be huge. Picking 12- 15 not so much.

    I like Begley but this really is lazy reporting… there’s like a 90+ % chance the Knicks pick between 8-12 – the range within which almost all mocks have Bridges and Bridges getting chosen. I’d imagine you could add ‘and are also doing due diligence on Sexton, Carter and Knox’. Indeed he actually does, in effect, add ‘but they know there’s a statistical chance they move up so are also looking at the guys slated to go top 7…’. Not news, really.

    It is interesting though how much consensus there is in a lot of mocks about the tiers of players. There’s a strong consensus on the top 7 in some order, and then on the next 5 in some order.

    Ironically, at the start of the season I joked that it was a five player draft so we’d defintely end up 6th and taking miles Bridges. Now JJJ and Trey have opened it to a 7 player draft… and we’re going to end up 8th or 9th and picking… Miles Bridges.

    In all seriousness though, while obviously I’d love us to move into the top 7, I think Miles Bridges could be a very good pick up. Mikal Bridges seems to be a nice player but his age scares me…

    I’m just glad they’re not looking at Sexton. I think the FO is dumb but at least they realize our need for a SF/PF.

    To continue yesterday’s thread: No. The Knicksiest thing to happen to the center situation is to lose Noah, but draw out the cost over many seasons impacting our cap usage in subtle ways but with tremendous effects; re-sign KOQ right at the start of the offseason, bidding against ourselves, to a larger 7M/yr deal, since “we have no other centers;” then, RESIGN WILLY, for a contract identical to Timmy!

    And then, drafting Robert Williams.

    We’re so bad, I’d draft best player available, who gives a fuck if it’s a PG or a C.

    We’re so bad, I’d draft best player available, who gives a fuck if it’s a PG or a C.


    The team has a pathetic talent base. Porzingis just tore his ACL and Ntilikina is a big question mark, and that’s the extent of our young talent. We just need players who are viable NBA rotation guys, and we need as many of those as possible.

    Anything yet on who will start at PG? My guess would be Mudiay with Frank and Trey coming off the bench.

    I’d guess that the FO really wants Mudiay to succeed and will give him every chance to do so. I hope H is at least committed to playing Frank and Trey at least 20 min. each per night, though, unless injured.

    I just read that Chicago is benching Lopez and Holiday. Super tank time.

    The scouting world and draft prognostication has a lot of herd mentality surrounding it…. if someone thinks a guy is a top player then a lot of people will bias their ratings towards that… a lot of the writers and analysts out there don’t really go too deep on all the prospects…. and just parrot what draftexpress or what chad ford used to say….

    i feel like a guy like sexton or knox… guys who got talked up in the preseason…. are still rated highly even though they haven’t really impressed…. there’s a lot of anchoring going on since it’s still early …

    so having a consensus sometimes can mean they are legitimately good… or it could mean that a lot of folks are being lazy…

    February 21, 2018 at 12:30 am
    I definitely don’t add anything to the blog and I know it. 🙂 Maybe just the occasional, “what the hell are the Knicks doing” break in the action.

    howdy bidiong…not true at all…

    for myself at least – all the statistics and draft talk is informative and revelaing – but, i really enjoy reading comments from folks on their impression and feelings towards the knicks…

    a lot of times it’s stuff that many of us have already thought about and can relate to…plus, it’s just nice to read different perspectives on things – “how the new york knickerbockers have ruined my life”

    we’re all stuck together in the same fan “hell” 🙂

    it was cool during the willy and kp stuff to read posts from folks whom normally don’t really feel like kicking in – sometimes the knicks are just sooooo bad though – it’s impossible to resist…

    it’s interesting to read different folks describe the same exact trainwreck…

    “we’re all stuck together in the same fan “hell” :-)”

    Sad but true, especially tough when most of my friends are Laker Fanboys

    There’s going to be a lot of movement on the draft board between now and the actual draft. March Madness tends to have an impact, the combines are still to come, and team workouts and interviews will also matter. At this point we may as well hope that Frank, Mudiay, Dotson, and Hardaway look good but it doesn’t translate into many wins. Of the group, only Hardaway has the firepower to get hot and win games. He’s the danger to the tank.

    I’ll take whatever number of losses we can get, but I’m not overly worried about it. Despite all the strong opinions, we are going to be throwing a dart at that draft board anyway.

    Let’s suck Knicks! I’m in Disney World so I don’t care! I gave all of you some hot weather today early. You’re welcome.

    Sad but true, especially tough when most of my friends are Laker Fanboys

    yeah, the lakers were fun to poke fun at while jim buss was running things…unfortunately jeanie and magic had to step in and get the franchise headed back in the right direction…

    see what happens when you’re ownership isn’t evil or a complete moron (in our case: both)…

    the list of clubs for us to look down on – sadly, keeps shrinking each year…

    I’m a lot higher on Mikal than Miles.

    I can’t look past Miles’ paltry steal rate for an allegedly plus defender. The only standout skill he really has is scoring, which has iffy translation to the NBA (though him having a good 2PT% and FT% bodes well). I usually resent the term “tweener” because as long as production is there it doesn’t matter much what position a guy technically plays, but with Miles it’s pretty difficult to see what position he’d play in the NBA. He doesn’t rebound or block shots well enough to be a 4 and I don’t think he has the ball handling or defensive chops to be a 3. This could all be irrelevant if he’s a great scorer but that seems like an unnecessary risk.

    Mikal on the other hand has consistently had impressive steal rates and has a 65% 2PT% in his college career (15.4 PTS/40). He doesn’t rebound as well but he does just about everything else better.

    yea miles’ steal rates are concerning… someone like jackson has a higher steal rate than him and he’s a big….

    Sad but true, especially tough when most of my friends are Laker Fanboys

    Jack Bauer – are you in LA? I’m in San Diego and have a bunch of Laker fan friends.

    Mark Cuban has always been a blowhard and a douche IMO, I hope this Mavs scandal brings him down.

    Cuban fined 600K for yesterday’s comment on tanking.

    Silver’s trying to get money from betting (a fixed % on every bet, in exchange for legalizing betting in all states)
    if he’ll be able to do that the lottery’ll be gone,
    bookmakers can’t have a third of the league playing to lose.

    We need to maximize our chances in the next two drafts…


    Domiknick – I’m in San Diego too, glad to hear there are more Knick fans here.
    As a San Diegan hating LA teams comes with the territory. Hating the Lakers is made easier because of their overbearing fans.

    Apparently Mudiay starts tonight…so maybe he really is a great prospect?? Hahahahahahahaha!
    Sorry..had to.
    All jokes aside, what scares me is with Hornaceck turnin the youngins loose, is that he may actually find a way to unlock the potential in Mudiay, Ntilikina, and Burke over these last 23- then the team will give him an extension. Hornacek staying would be fine as long as we add a developmental coach or 2, and an assistant with actual defensive chops. Either way, Rambis is definitely gone at season’s end. Perfect time for Hornacek to put together a real staff if he stays. I am anxious to see the kids with the keys though.

    if he’ll be able to do that the lottery’ll be gone,
    bookmakers can’t have a third of the league playing to lose.

    I agree that it’s not good idea to combine gambling and tanking, but I think bookmakers in Vegas and offshore already build that into the odds line and experienced gamblers adjust their thinking. So it’s mostly an image thing and an ability to attract new gambling fans.

    I’d way rather see Mudiay and Frank start and each play with Burke at times than have Lee in the mix at this point. If they start Lee out of respect or due to merit I can live with that, but his minutes have to go down a lot starting now.

    @26 You’re right, right now bookmakers and gamblers are adjusting (pro gamblers slightly more),
    gambling’s my line of work and I’m doing good with the Tank Brigade 🙂

    But when the League is involved and get money out of it I think things change slightly,
    teams losing on purpose walk a fine line on kind of “points shaving” accusations.

    @24 Hey, small world. If you ever see a guy around town with Knicks gear on – it’s probably me.

    Perhaps I should start including you on my semi-annual Lakers/Knicks suites. This year I coordinated a 24-person suite with a bunch of my friends. I was outnumbered in the suite 22-2. Lol

    I’ve been unlucky,
    watched three of Trae’s games,
    two bad one awful,
    I don’t want to judge him only on those three, what do I miss? He’s on a bad team and defenses could concentrate in him.

    The league asking for 1% of all bets is insane. The gambling establishments don’t get paid the full bet, so giving the league 1% is like cutting them in for a 20% cut of the gambling establishment’s take! That’d be insane!

    Trae Young has slowed down but he’s still having a hell of a season. The kid has a 50.5% ast% (!!!!), which obviously is skewed because he’s their only ball handler, but is impressive nonetheless. He’s also still around .600 ts% which is pretty amazing on his ridiculous usage and gets to the line almost 10 times a game.

    As others have pointed his 2p% is an issue and his 3p% has dropped a bit too, but he just shoots so much that I’m willing to cut him some slack on this department. Even Steph had some lackluster 2p% numbers on his college years and in general he faced worse competition in the regular season.

    I’m not sure if his performance will translate to the NBA, but I really wouldn’t want to be the team that passes on him unless it’s for a guy like Doncic, Ayton or maybe Porter if he’s completely healthy, maaaaaybe Bagley even though I’ve been a bit underwhelmed by him so far.

    Trae is in a horrendous shooting slump, but his passing has still been there. His teammates are just dreadful, constantly missing open shots.
    Trae is quite, um, disinterested on the defensive end and is prone to pouting.

    I still want him, though, because I want to watch a pg who can dribble, shoot and pass on the knicks before I die.

    On the Cuban thing, I sincerely hope the league works a way to take him out as an owner. He can’t get away with just saying “oh in hindsight it was a bad decision to keep serial sexual harassers on our organization”.

    gambling’s my line of work


    Would you mind elaborating a bit?

    These days I’m mostly involved with horse racing (own, employed in the industry, and gamble), but I did fairly well gambling on basketball for a few years before the advanced stats era really took off. The work demands of trying to keep up with all the data for two sports was daunting. Plus, the handful of profitable insights I had into basketball became too well known. I think I probably lost any edge I had. So I backed off basketball for the time being.

    @34 I wonder if the statement about tanking he got fined for was a effort to deflect from the story about the organization?

    On the Cuban thing, I sincerely hope the league works a way to take him out as an owner. He can’t get away with just saying “oh in hindsight it was a bad decision to keep serial sexual harassers on our organization”.

    If the Browne-Saunders stuff had come out today, we might actually have been blessed with Dolan being forced to sell. Yet another reason to be pissed about the old societal attitude of “who gives a shit about harassment?”

    just read the SI article on Ussery:

    what a scumbag…for those whom have a wife, daughter, mom in the sports industry pretty gross stuff…definitely seems like a much tougher road for them in a lot of professional circumstances…

    the article implies all that cuban really cared about was the bottom line and being sympathetic to some of the violators…

    it seems society is slowly changing, women’s rights in the workplace are becoming more prominent – but, no doubt this stuff still goes on and will for a while yet…

    I really do think it’s related, strato. At least as an attempt by the league to stall things, like hey, look here guys, he admitted to intentionally losing!

    The most insane thing to me is the Ussery guy, people are talking a lot about the beat writer because of the domestic violence, but Terdema Ussery stayed with the Mavs organization under Cuban for 15 freaking years. He was hired, and then fired, by Under Armour in 3 months! How can anyone argue that it’s believable Cuban had no idea of what was happening?

    I always knew he was a scumbag who didn’t give a fuck about anything until profits went down, but this type of shit can’t be tolerated.

    @29 – let me know next time and you can even the odds to 21-3 ! F the Lakers
    I’ll be on the lookout for the other guy in Knicks gear.

    the league fined Cuban immediately for saying what everyone already knows but they’re going to take their time with the sexual harassment shit.

    Reports are that Kawhi is opting not to return. Sounds like the relationship between him and the team is very bad at the moment.

    Re: the sexual harassment in Dallas, as a non woke libertarian, I know how I would handle that as a parent/father/brother/friend, and it would not involve hash tags or pussy hats.

    The Leonard’s stuff is becoming more and more crazy,
    he’s always been a strange cat but something must have happened to change his stance so much, I’d like to know what his teammates are thinking about it.

    @35 Strat, I don’t know if I understand your “elaborating a bit” but I try 🙂
    I’m not employed in the betting industry (at least for now) but betting is legal in Italy so I was an amateur gambler for many years and now I do it 24/7, I bet on many sports, mainly football (the real one, soccer 🙂 ), basket and tennis.
    Basketball lines are one of the most hard to bet on, but you could go with over/under or live bets (during the games).
    And avoid games with two Tankers involved 😀

    The Mavericks stuff is cretinous. So Cuban is “hands on” but only with the basketball side of things? I guess it is plausible that he doesn’t bother himself with the business end of things, but still.

    I must be the only one to be a little creeped out at the thought of the NBA looking to get their share of gambling money. I get it. It’s a business. Some of you reference that you are semi-active participants, so I’m not really looking to throw stones. But it is an industry that has ruined so many lives and essentially is another way for some to profit on the “naivetee” of others. To me any alleged moral high ground Silver posits himself as claiming is all just PR BS. He is just as much an opportunist as the others just in a different way.

    Now back to the Knicks, rant over.

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