Knicks Morning News (2017.10.04)

  • [NYTimes] Like the Knicks, an Ad Campaign Fades Quickly
    (Wednesday, October 04, 2017 3:00:15 AM)

    The promotion for the sports channel FS1 appeared on subway trains this week, asking if people were hopeful or hopeless about the Knicks. The ads are to be removed after hitting nerves — perhaps as intended.

  • [NYTimes] Frank Hamblen, Phil Jackson’s Assistant in Title Runs, Dies at 70
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:15:30 PM)

    Hamblen, a longtime N.B.A. presence, was a coach on the bench with Jackson in Chicago and Los Angeles during seven championship seasons.

  • [NYTimes] Daryl Morey Built an Elite N.B.A. Team. Now He’s Building a Musical.
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 4:21:44 PM)

    Daryl Morey, the Houston Rockets’ mastermind, is a huge theater buff, and he is now producing a musical about — what else? — basketball.

  • [ESPN] Life after Carmelo Anthony begins for rebuilding Knicks
    (Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:35:00 AM)

    Life after Carmelo Anthony begins for rebuilding Knicks

  • [ESPN] Michael Beasley on ending NCAA scandals: ‘Give kids what they deserve’
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:09:14 PM)

    Michael Beasley on ending NCAA scandals: ‘Give kids what they deserve’

  • [ESPN] Ads on subway bashing Knicks to come down
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 5:27:41 PM)

    Ads on subway bashing Knicks to come down

  • [SNY Knicks] Nets defeat Knicks in preseason opener, 115-107
    (Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:23:45 AM)

    D’Angelo Russell scored 19 points to lead the Brooklyn Nets to a 115-107 win in the preseason opener on Tuesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Frank Ntilikina to play in preseason opener; Joakim Noah out
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 6:36:02 PM)

    Knicks rookie Frank Ntilikina will play in the team’s preseason game against the Nets on Tuesday night, the team announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Three position battles to watch for as Knicks open the preseason
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 4:45:08 PM)

    The preseason opener is tonight, with the Knicks’ first test coming against the Brooklyn Nets.

  • [SNY Knicks] NBA changes All-Star game, captains will pick teams
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 4:10:35 PM)

    The NBA is scrapping the East vs. West format for its All-Star Game and will have captains pick teams this season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Michael Beasley compares his talent level to LeBron, Durant
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:15:19 PM)

    Knicks SF Michael Beasley believes that his talent is at the same caliber as LeBron James and Kevin Durant.

  • [SNY Knicks] FS1 ad depicts ‘hopeless’ Knicks on NYC Subway
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:50:29 AM)

    The Knicks have been put in bad light on New York City subways due to an ad campaign from FS1.

  • [NY Newsday] Young Knicks show potential on offense, holes on ‘D’
    (Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:08:54 AM)

    Steve Mills sat in Phil Jackson’s old seat, Nigel Hayes occupied Carmelo Anthony’s old locker and Kristaps Porzingis was introduced last to the Madison Square Garden crowd.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks link arms during national anthem
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:37:52 PM)

    The Knicks didn’t protest during the national anthem before Tuesday night’s preseason opener at The Garden. They stood together and linked arms.

  • [NY Newsday] Nets top Knicks; D’Angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin might platoon at point
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:30:49 PM)

    From the moment D’Angelo Russell joined the Nets in the Brook Lopez trade in June, the focus has been on how the chemistry would work between he and Jeremy Lin. If the preseason opener is any indication, Russell and Lin might form a point guard platoon.

  • [NY Newsday] FS1’s Knicks ‘Hopeless’ or ‘Hopeful’ subway ad campaign short-lived
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 9:20:00 PM)

    FS1, Fox Sports’ cable television outlet, built its daytime programming around debate and commentary, the edgier the better. But a new ad campaign for the channel edged across a line, offending the Knicks and perhaps some fans, and prompting an abrupt course correction Tuesday night.

  • [NYPost] One Knick really wanted to take a knee for the anthem
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:27:34 PM)

    No offense to commissioner Adam Silver, but new Knicks center Enes Kanter lobbied to take a knee during the national anthem before the preseason opener versus the Nets. Kanter, who hails from Turkey, instead went along with the idea to lock arms during the “Star Spangled Banner” to show unity against alleged police brutality against…

  • [NYPost] Frank Ntilikina shows signs why he’s Knicks’ PG of the future
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:32:35 PM)

    He looks like he should be getting ready for his first Midnight Madness instead of his first game in the NBA. To say Frank Ntilikina has a baby face is like saying Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson has muscles. We might need to check Ntilikina’s I.D. just to prove he’s really 19 years old. Ntilikina’s boyish…

  • [NYPost] This is the Knicks team Jeff Hornacek wanted all along
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 5:48:53 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek sounds like an unshackled coach. Not only is the Knicks coach free from the triangle edicts of former team president Phil Jackson but he also has gained freedom by no longer having shot-happy scorers named Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose on the roster. Neither player fit Hornacek’s philosophy of a ball-sharing club —…

  • [NYPost] FS1 to remove controversial Knicks subway ads
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:03:38 PM)

    FS1’s controversial subway advertisements about the Knicks will be removed, multiple sources confirmed to The Post. The ads asked fans to “pick a side” in a debate between the franchise being “hopeful” and “hopeless.” The side of a 42nd Street shuttle car, featuring photos of Tim Hardaway, Jr. and Joakim Noah and the word “HOPELESS”…

  • [NYPost] The most interesting Knick outdoes himself with LeBron comparison
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 6:33:06 AM)

    At the very start of the Knicks’ Michael Beasley era, he said he can’t be stopped. We presume he meant on the court. The most enigmatic addition of the Knicks’ offseason is also the biggest addition, according to him, and he seems to one-up himself on bizarre opinions every day. The latest from the most…

  • [NYDN] Frank Ntilikina struggles in Knicks debut, shoots 1-for-7
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:54:56 PM)

    Knicks fans witnessed some growing pains with their first look at Frank Ntilikina.

  • [NYDN] Enes Kanter: I wanted to take a knee during anthem
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 6:49:27 PM)

    Knicks center Enes Kanter on national anthem: ‘If they would’ve left it up to me, yes, I would’ve taken a knee’

  • [NYDN] Ex-Knick Carmelo Anthony drops 19 points in Thunder debut
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 6:21:36 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony sizzled in his first game with the Thunder, though Chris Paul and the Rockets look like they will be just fine without him.

  • [NYDN] Knicks lock arms during national anthem in preseason opener
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 4:08:54 PM)

    The Knicks say they stood for something by standing for the anthem.

  • [NYDN] ‘Hopeless’ Knicks greet NYC subway riders due to FS1 ad campaign
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:47:18 PM)

    Subway riders are now reminded of the negativity that comes with being a Knicks fan.

  • [NYDN] ESPN staffer fired for Jeremy Lin headline now Catholic priest
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:20:57 AM)

    It was part of God’s plan. At least that’s what Anthony Federico thinks may have happened.

  • [NYDN] Knicks fans asked to ‘pick a side’ with FS1’s subway ad campaign
    (Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:28:22 AM)

    An FS1 ad campaign is asking New York City subway riders to “pick a side” on the Times Square to Grand Central shuttle: Are the Knicks hopeful or hopeless?

  • 47 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.04)”

    Only one game into the preseason, but I wouldn’t be shocked- or upset- if the starting 5 ends up bein Kanter/KP/McDermott/TH2/Ntilikina. That’s just too much offense to turn away from. I don’t think either vet starts at PG because of injury/defense concerns. The problem for Hornacek will be finding ample minutes for Kanter, KOQ, Lee, and Noah when he returns. Beasley’s definitely instant offense off the bench and he should play in tandem with Lance at forward. Mills needs to clear up the logjam up front. Lee maybe moves closer to the deadline but we are ok with him as the backup SG.

    I think the main issues will be finding time for Kanter and Willy without the D being too poor, and finding time for Dotson behind Lee and THJ. Personally, I’d like to see more Willy and Dotson as lower cost, higher upside guys under team control for the foreseeable future.

    With Kanter, the season is a balancing act – if he plays well he opts out and we may not want to go there given the cost with Willy and Noah under contract. If he plays badly he opts in, but he’s no good there is a middle ground, but it isn’t huge.

    My sense so far is we have some good offensive lineups and some good defensive ones – a frank, Dotson, Lee, LT, KP lineup could do some damage on D as a small, mobile unit. But we lack the two-way players beyond KP and Frank (who is also without any experience to speak of) to put strong two-way lineups out there. Which is fine – we’re building. But how much better is that defensive lineup in total with Michael Porter at the 4?!

    Unfortunately didn’t get to watch much of the game last night, was freaking out about the Yankees instead. But seems like the consensus is that Ntilikina looked like he belonged on the court, played reasonable defense, and actually OVER-passed, which is a welcome change from last year’s ballhandlers?

    I did watch the first couple minutes of his game action before the baseball game – and I think I saw him actually throw the ball to KP on a pick and pop on schedule – not sure because I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Knick PG do that.

    Seems like KP picked it up later in the game, but his jumpers all were about a foot short in the beginning of the game. No legs already?

    Really surprising shot at about 4:15 of this clip where KP swings the ball to THJ for the corner 3. THJ has really worked on speeding up his release – looked just like Klay Thompson there – not even exaggerating!

    Doesn’t seem like a lot of defense was played yesterday which is preseason style. But yesterday was all about frank and he showed. I hope he looks for his offense As he gets more confident.

    Frank: didn’t really overpass, I mean he was 1/7. His form looked great, and his D was a pleasure to watch- I mean, he’s not really gonna get you the flashy stats, but he’s really Mike Conley-like in his game. (Who I think is shamefully underrated and may be a top-5 PG, but I won’t go there right now)

    Hardaway: What a quick release! Not afraid of shooting early in the clock, or at any time really. Which is a good thing when he’s 5/11 from 3.

    Beasley: I don’t remember him being this good at rebounding. He seems to think he’s better than he is, doesn’t seem to play with any IQ, and has a very large chip on his shoulder, trying to post up Mozgov and such. Great form when shooting… He’s so much like JR.

    McDermott: Didn’t look so bad on D, but who knows. Great shot.

    O’Quinn: Forgot about this dude. He’s pretty good, guys! He also had only one overaggressive-pass-turnover, which usually means it’s going to be a good day.

    Courtney Lee: He is so, so wasted on the Knicks. His defense was great, aside from the 4 steals he got.

    Kanter: Looks great out there on offense! Looks horrible out there on defense! (HOT TAKE: If he somehow upgrades his defense to slightly-below-average he is a top center)

    Hernangomez: Rusty! But what a rebounder! (He is currently better than Kanter and our other centers, assuming he shakes off the rust)

    Lance: Like an 8th grader turning pages in a book when a parent passes by their door, he is still showing us how to look like you’re doing something when you’re not really doing anything!

    Dotson: I like him! (except for the whole rape thing) He looked good on D, rebounded a bit, and although rusty, his form looked good. (except for the whole rape thing)

    KP: Crossed over some guy and dunked! A little too Iso-heavy at times, and can use some more strength/rebounds, but looked good.

    Yea what’s up with iso-kp?!
    Don’t tell me he Learned from melo to stagnate an offense.

    Thjr with a curry esque release, that’s could be good and bad.

    With Kanter, McBuckets, TH2, and Ntilikina flanking him, I don’t mind iso KP as much- so much room for him to work, and he’s such a unique talent at his size that it can be a good thing as long as it’s not the main option and everyone kinda watches like they did with Melo

    Hornacek has a bit of a dilemma. He has a lot of similar quality players fighting for minutes, has no idea how they all fit together yet, but he has to figure it out fairly quickly so they can get used to playing with each other.

    I really hope Willy’s defensive improvement is real. Dude is a really good passer and rebounder, and he can really anchor that second unit and get near-starter’s minutes and shine. If KOQ is more mobile this year, Mills should find a trade to unload Lance so Hornacek can go with a 2nd team frontcourt of Willy/KOQ/Beaz- that seems like enough defense and rebounding to offset Beasley’s pointzzz.

    Three point defense.
    It will kill us in a league dominated by the three-point shot.
    You can’t fail to close out. Any decent shooter will knock down open threes.
    Kanter and Willy will share the 5 spot. don’t care who starts.
    KP needs to get his shots in the flow, not through ISOs. Let’s not let the Melo legacy infect KP.

    Yea..we need a scheme to tighten up our perimeter D. Between TH2, Lee, Ntilikina, Dotson, Baker, and maybe even Lance and Sessions(a stretch)- there is enough capable perimeter defenders. Is JYD coaching anywhere? He might make for a nice assistant

    I only saw segments of the game – there was a REAL game going on in the Bronx!!!!!!
    However, from what I saw…

    The 3-pt defense is clearly an issue already. Our wings need to be like white-on-rice when it comes to covering sharpshooters.

    The Nets are better than the Knicks. They have a lot of good players on that roster.

    Frank will not be great this year – just serviceable. He has a lot of growing and learning ahead of him, especially shooting and learning the NBA game but we need patience with a 19-year old point guard. Sessions looked like the best PG on the floor.

    I’ll be watching the full replay tonight.

    Sounds like they will be put on an entertaining show with young guys giving their best and getting some experience as the tank unfolds this year. Top 3 pick or bust.

    Sounds like they will be put on an entertaining show with young guys giving their best and getting some experience as the tank unfolds this year. Top 3 pick or bust.

    Exactly. Poor perimeter D , FARTDOG, and let the younguns learn the game… lose the battles, win the war.

    When the Nets were whipping the ball around the perimeter, we looked like the Keystone Kops on defense. Other teams (including awful teams like Brooklyn) make it look so easy to find open shooters, it’s the same old thing with our defense.

    Golden State and Houston may put up 150 points each against us.

    The game really fell apart when the Knicks kept bricking on offense and then Brooklyn would drive to the rim, force a collapse and swing the ball to the open man on the perimeter.

    For all their flaws, the Nets are very well coached and Atkinson seems to put a premium on ball movement and constant passing, which is very hard for a new team with not great defensive parts overall to defend.

    FARTDOG: Friendly Alliance of Really Terrible Defenders for Opposing Guards.

    Termed by Seth Rosenthal when he was running P & T.

    I thought it was funny when I first heard it, and it’s been ridiculously accurate for a ridiculously long amount of time.

    Agree with the Keystone Cops reference. It looked like nearly everyone was trying hard on D, but just running around. It’ll take time. I did focus on Beasley a few times and saw him just kind of drifting around, not really guarding anyone. I don’t think it was laziness, just not knowing what to do. As the rotation gets tighter, maybe the D will improve a bit, but then the focus will turn more to individuals’ performances.

    The Knicks also missed a lot of pretty good up close looks. Hitting a higher % of shots will help the D a bit as the opponent doesn’t get to run off in transition so much.

    Preseason games are relatively meaningless. I think the first 20 games of the season for this team might be too. Hornacek hinted at the Knicks being behind other teams because of a new system. They have a lot to do to learn how to play team defense.

    Agree totally. Just try to avoid injuries and take a good look at some guys. I was surprised by a bit of grumbling last night in the game thread (and by Clyde on TV) about Hornacek’s rotations, esp. who was in in the 4th quarter. I’d imagine that he’ll gradually tighten the rotation later.

    It was interesting that Lee got the most playing time last night, at 26 minutes. Could it be that the Knicks are already showcasing him?

    KP looked good and patient. Not one dimensional. Not Carmelo like at all, IMHO. He’s gonna be a matchup nightmare when his shot starts to fall.

    Frank N is absolutely a PG. Really good in the P and R. I’m excited by what I saw.

    THJ is a very good offensive player. Great shooting and some very good passes.

    I like this team. I haven’t scouted the other teams in the league extensively. Maybe there are a lot of more talented and deep squads but it’s nice to see us looking that way for a change.

    Not an inspiring opener. KP really needs a point guard to get him better looks. Sessions was okay but every bit as bad as Rose on defense, Jack looked done, and Frank looked Baker-esque. I’m more hopeful about Frank’s point guard prospects down the line than I was but even token ball pressure just stopped him in his tracks so he’s got a long, long way to go.

    THJ grabbing 6 boards and getting a couple of nice assists was encouraging even if he didn’t shoot that well and got lost on defense a few times. Dotson looks like he can really defend but I can’t imagine there’ll be a lot of minutes for him with Lee, THJ, and possibly Frank taking up minutes at the two.

    At the three Beasley at best will be DWill part two. It’ll be interesting to see who among him, Kuz, McBuckets, and Lance gets the bulk of the minutes there.

    Kanter probably starts and leads the Knicks in scoring while playing awful defense. And we’ll pick 6th in a five player draft.

    It was interesting that Lee got the most playing time last night, at 26 minutes. Could it be that the Knicks are already showcasing him?

    That’s the best explanation for why he got so many minutes in a preseason game.


    I was mostly agreeing with Clyde that the Knicks have too many players (something Clyde also said about the Nets). The Knicks have 20 players now, and even with Kuz, Noah, Baker and Kornet unavailable that’s still 16 guys.

    It’s not a big deal, I just don’t see why would O’Quinn, Sessions or Lance play 10 minutes when they’re guaranteed to be part of the rotation while XRM, Artis or Hayes are 100% not making the team unless something tragic happens with injuries and played the same minutes.

    It’s really not a big issue.

    It’s a meaningless scrimmage, run the scrubs out there and see how they do. If nothing else it gives the coaches a taste of how they deal in case injuries force a call up ect. Do they listen under pressure, do they know the plays, ect. It’s like a prep exam, everybody should take it even if you think they’ll fail. Can at least see how they fail.

    I hope Zing doesn’t go to that face-up crossover too often. It worked on Acy once last night but it generally goes nowhere. The dribble is too long to catch anyone off balance, and if he’s being guarded by 4s he won’t have a speed advantage. Plus he doesn’t use his off hand to hook the defender — something Melo was great at on his drives.

    If he wants to break out the crossover when the defender is already backpedaling, like in transition, that could be effective. But unless he wants to dribble side to side for 5 seconds and go nowhere (or get it stolen), he should take that move out of his face-up repertoire.

    “And we’ll pick 6th in a five player draft.”

    Have mercy, please not again!

    Well, the Knicks picked 4th in a “three player draft” back a few years ago, and that turned out fine.

    We’re a deeper team this year, but we have to narrow down to a 10 man rotation at most.
    It’s early. But I can get behind a young, unselfish team.
    I just hope Hornacek teaches defense
    I was shocked to hear him say they really didn’t coach defense early last year figuring the veterans knew what to do.
    Our vets had not been defenders mostly all their careers!
    On Frank, P&R works best when the point guard is a threat to score. I hope the kid figures out his shot. Those long arms are fantastic on defense, but his mechanics will be a challenge on O.

    How do we get Anthony Davis to New York? That’s what I want to know. Without gutting our team Melo trade style.

    I agree that we need to rid ourselves of players. We can trade quantity for quality. Quality can come in the guise of picks. I would package Lee, O’Quinn and Kanter.

    We have to move either Beasley or Kanter, and since we’re so deep at center, it will have to be Kanter. We can’t run two vet scorers out there that don’t play D.

    Ideally, KP will play the 5 at least 40% of the time, so once Noah is back, there will be a logjam. O’Quinn might have to go first.

    It would be great if we could package a few of these guys for a great small-ball pf… idk who.

    But The celts may need a another big , they look thin upfront.

    But they have Aron Baynes. Tommy Heinsohn said he saw him in the shower and he’s HUGE.

    We can’t run two vet scorers out there that don’t play D.

    Buddy we’re the Knicks. Of course we can

    Watched the replay of the game last night. Probably what you would expect from a pre-season match. It wasn’t anything stellar, but a good hit out. Some of Brooklyn’s offensive sets look really nice.

    Credit to Hornacek as well for rolling out the rookies in the 4th to give them a look. Given the run we were on, the game could have been won, but there is obviously more value in giving guys a look than winning an exhibition game.

    I think it was already highlighted, but whilst the D wasn’t great, the effort was definitely there which was encouraging. The ball movement already looks to be much better than last year. Kanter looked rusty, but he looks to potentially be our best offensive option at the 5. I don’t have much of a problem with some of KP’s isolation plays. A lot seemed to come in the opening minutes. I don’t mind that to get him into a grove, and it seemed that once he got settled, the ball moved around pretty well.

    Hopefully we won’t be seeing as much Iso-Zingis as we saw of Iso-Melo.

    Well, the Knicks picked 4th in a “three player draft” back a few years ago, and that turned out fine.

    The Nuggets picked 41st in a 2.5 player draft, and that turned out spectacularly.

    The draft is a crapshoot. Just hold on to you let picks, wherever they may fall, and take the BPA. (I’ll expect my check from Dolan in the mail any day now).


    Absolutely! Upside is everyone seemed in on the ball movement, so probably not a big issue………at this stage.

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