Knicks Morning News (2017.08.26)

  • [NYPost] New Knicks boss’ vision for future omits you know who
    (Friday, August 25, 2017 12:55:38 PM)

    When Steve Mills took over for Phil Jackson, insiders said he would try to reach the fans in a way the former Knicks president couldn’t. And so he is trying. In a 1,155-word Mills Manifesto published on the team website, the new Knicks leader made no mention of the Carmelo Anthony fiasco, hinted that they…

  • [NYPost] Winner is coming: What if NBA world was in ‘Game of Thrones’?
    (Friday, August 25, 2017 7:00:06 AM)

    It’s no coincidence that the two biggest draws on live television are “Game of Thrones” and live sports. The HBO phenomenon – the most-decorated show in history – at its best is like sports, from sparking barstool debates to spawning rivalries and inspiring team loyalty. With the seventh and penultimate season of “Game of Thrones”…

  • [NYDN] Porzingis predicts he’ll be an All-Star this season for Knicks
    (Friday, August 25, 2017 11:13:21 AM)

    Maybe the stars have aligned for Kristaps Porzingis.

  • [ESPN] Knicks president blogs about team’s future, doesn’t mention Melo
    (Friday, August 25, 2017 3:52:56 PM)

    Knicks president blogs about team’s future, doesn’t mention Melo

  • [NYTimes] Not a Single W.N.B.A. Star Has a Shoe Line to Call Her Own
    (Friday, August 25, 2017 6:59:19 AM)

    Footwear gender equity remains stuck in the past with models from male stars, like Michael Jordan, dominating the market for women’s basketball shoes.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks president Mills omits Anthony from team’s vision post
    (Friday, August 25, 2017 11:05:02 AM)

    New York Knicks president Steve Mills omitted forward Carmelo Anthony when talking about the franchise’s new vision in a blog post.

  • [NY Newsday] Steve Mills outlines his vision for Knicks and his blog post doesn’t mention Carmelo Anthony
    (Friday, August 25, 2017 8:22:39 PM)

    Knicks president Steve Mills added to the Melodrama on Friday, omitting Carmelo Anthony’s name in a blog entry he wrote about the upcoming season on the official Madison Square Garden website.

  • 31 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.08.26)”

    About Wiggins, he is still a RFA next year. So he is probably counting on some team making a big offer, and that Minnesota cannot afford to lose him for nothing (specially if they start to be good this season… which is something I am not totally sure about). It would be similar to what happened to Gordon Hayward, and if you look their stats on their 3rd season they are not too different.

    BTW, Hayward’s deal was panned at the time (with Cock Jowles claiming “the league is run by idiots”) but was one of the best contracts last year at $16 million (Not so much at $29 million)

    Cleveland taking a closer look at Isaiah Thomas’s hip before finalizing the trade with Boston.

    If I were Cleveland, I would complete this deal even with a badly injured Thomas.

    I had dinner last night with a Celtics fan (before rumors of CLE voiding the trade) and he was ecstatic. I sent him an analysis of the advanced stats for both players showing how Thomas was better than Irving in WS, VORP, BOM, DWS and PER last year. Now he’s hoping to get IT back. One note is that he said that he worried about Isaiah’s fragility, which may be true.

    Jowles is never wrong. If you don’t believe me, just ask him.

    Firstly, there was no indication when they were negotiating his extension that the league would see a one-time fluke that produced market conditions in which Allen Crabbe would get a $75M deal. Secondly, Hayward was putrid in the first year of his extension and really has only shown superstar-level play this past season. I might call that some ex post facto, Nostradumbass-level reasoning.

    If IT’s hip injury is a big enough issue that the Cavs have to have internal discussions about whether to go forward, that explains why Ainge was willing to include the Net’s pick. If IT is damaged goods and Ainge knows it, a younger Kyrie coming into his prime is worth Crowder and the Nets pick given that it’s not a mortal lock the Nets pick will be top 5 and IT may never be the player he was last year given it was a break out year and he’s injured.

    I’m not saying GMs are always especially proficient at it, but when you pay a player you are not paying for the past. You are paying for the future.

    Everyone understands that if you gave Melo a new contract now, it would be WAY less than the current one because of his age and the probability his production will decline. That’s exactly how GM’s think about young players. The idea from their perspective is to try to NOT pay for a future that is not set in stone, but you often have to pay up for young players because other GMs are smart enough to build projections into their calculations.

    It’s like the value stock vs. growth stock debate.

    Given 2 companies with identical current metrics, you can pay more for the one with a greater growth rate because a company’s value is a not function of what it is earning now, it is a function of what it will earn in the future.

    You just don’t want to get too speculative about it when it comes to basketball or stocks. If you do, it leaves you wind open to some very large mistakes.

    Jowles is never wrong. If you don’t believe me, just ask him.

    Jowles opinion is the strongest on this board quite frankly. I he could just stop acting like a 12 year old he contribution would be better appreciated by adults.

    @7

    But if he’s really damaged goods, what did Ainge expect? The Cavs to not run a physical on him and just accept the trade right away?

    It makes no sense, if Ainge and the Celtics knew his injury was that bad, they should have also known that it was very likely the trade would be voided.

    IT is way better than Kyrie when healthy bruh. IT is an offensive superstar whereas Kyrie is merely a very good player who’s also a ball stopper. Also, it’s pretty damning when you’re just as awful on defense as a 5’8 PG.

    @10

    We are operating with less information than the teams. My guess is that it’s not clear what the prognosis is, but Ainge and the Celtic’s doctor may have concluded there’s downside.

    @13

    Well, yeah we are, but people are justifying the trade saying Ainge paid more than he needed because he knew Isaiah was done physically. That line of reasoning makes no sense unless he was trying to actively con the Cavs into taking a dude with 1 year on his contract who might be injured for this entire year. The pick is nice and all, but why the hell would the Cavs accept such a trade if IT is physically unable to play when Lebron is about to leave?

    Well, yeah we are, but people are justifying the trade saying Ainge paid more than he needed because he knew Isaiah was done physically. That line of reasoning makes no sense unless he was trying to actively con the Cavs into taking a dude with 1 year on his contract who might be injured for this entire year. The pick is nice and all, but why the hell would the Cavs accept such a trade if IT is physically unable to play when Lebron is about to leave?

    Well, I guess it depends when he will recover from injury. Maybe the Cavs can afford if IT does not play till Frebruary, but not if they believe he will never fully recover.

    man remember when OKC traded for Tyson then rescinded bc the same doctor who did his toe surgery flagged his toe? if they still ended up with harden (it was at the deadline I think) that team becomes kd Westbrook harden ibaka tyson Sefalosha all in their 20s.

    will be a interesting couple of weeks if this deal is nixed.

    wow I just saw Noel took the qualifying. trade looked like a coup for Dallas but now maybe just whatever since they’re going nowhere this year anyway.

    Ainge even said, on the record, that the injury factored into the deal. So I don’t think they were trying to con anyone. More likely the reason they found common ground on a deal is that based on the BOSTON medical staff’s assessment – no surgery and ready sometime early in the season – cle was happier with the prognosis and risk than Boston. Now it seems that maybe Cleveland staff’s prognosis is worse and that’s the hang-up.

    I reckon they make the deal anyway as long as IT is expected back by Christmas. Boston got panned for the deal so I can’t see them adding another pick. A second rounder maybe…

    Maybe Cleveland is just trying to extort a bit more from the Celtics, unless they have determined that IT’s career is in serious jeopardy?

    So, are we rooting for the trade to stick or be rescinded?

    If I’m the Celtics there’s no way the I’d up the ante, that was quite a bit to give up for Kyrie even with the uncertain status of IT. Of course if you’re the Cavs it doesn’t hurt to ask…

    It will be interesting to see who blinks first

    We need the trade to stand. Boston is getting rid of 3 cost controlled assets in Crowder, Zizic, and the Nets pick. I’d wager that Crowder and Zizic outproduce Kyrie Irving and the Nets pick could turn into Mo Bamba or Colin Sexton. Kyrie Irving, Gordon Hayward, and Al Horford is a terrible way to spend the majority of your cap space. When you consider that LeBron, Love, Thompson, and Kyrie Irving could only win 51 games, the Knicks fan inside of you will love the idea of the Boston team. They are doomed to underachieve.

    Zizic looks like he might be a nice player. I liked him back in the draft a few years back. He’s a strong rebounder and he does the “set a hard screen then roll to the basket” thing quite well.

    I would like the trade to stick because I think it’s genuinely bad for Boston even if IT is pretty seriously hurt. I do not think a team can win a championship with Gordon Hayward, Kyrie Irving, and Al Horford as its three best players, which means Boston would need a whole lot of production out of Tatum and Brown to be a serious threat. I suppose it’s possible they get it, but color me skeptical, and color me super skeptical that they get that production before Horford becomes a very expensive shell of himself.

    If the trade sticks it will be fun to watch because potentially both teams get worse in different ways (specially if IT never truly recovers), but I would also be fun to see it rescinded and the massive unconfortable situations it would create for both sides. Im just here for the ride to be honest, and hoping the Knicks won’t make a massive offer for Kyrie if it is rescinded.

    Boston can’t get two top 5 picks in this draft. I like our young core better but staring down Doncic and Bagley would be terrible for us.

    Guys have you seen Mo Bamba play basketball? That kid reminds me of KAT except he’s a much better defender. I think he’s going to be the #1 pick overall. I know these are highlights, but he’s playing against Austrailian pros I believe, and he’s showing off a jumper that he didn’t have as recent as the spring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6D9OD1MLF0

    Bamba’s awesome. It’s going to be a hell of a top of the draft next year. Good thing the Knicks will be just good enough to miss out on all of them.

    @27 – exactly, I can hear it already ” with the 8th pick in the 2018 NBA draft the New York Knicks select (insert 2nd tier prospect here)

    Yeah, I’m fascinated by Bamba and Doncic in particular, and Bagley and Porter look so damn good.

    The 8th pick is our destiny tho, so I won’t even bother watching them anymore.

    We’ll be horrendous if Sessions goes down for an extended period of time.

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