Knicks Morning News (2017.04.22)

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: Golden State Gets a Boost From an Unlikely Source: JaVale McGee
    (Friday, April 21, 2017 5:32:29 PM)

    The Warriors have raced to a 2-0 series lead against the Portland Trail Blazers, and McGee appears to be a key cog on the star-laden team.

  • [NYTimes] The Celtics Bounce Back Against the Bulls
    (Saturday, April 22, 2017 5:00:08 AM)

    The top-seeded Celtics pulled away in he second half and have a chance to tie their first-round playoff series on Sunday.

  • [ESPN] Rumor Central: Could Celtics come calling for Carmelo Anthony?
    (Friday, April 21, 2017 10:17:29 AM)

    Rumor Central: Could Celtics come calling for Carmelo Anthony?

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Our Final Show
    (Friday, April 21, 2017 3:00:18 PM)

    On the final episode of TheKnicksBlog Podcast, Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton run the gamut on everything going down with the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Probability of Melo to the Celtics could be increasing
    (Friday, April 21, 2017 12:00:24 PM)

    Celtics forward Jae Crowder is a player who could interest the Knicks as part of a potential return for Anthony.

  • 54 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.22)”

    Melo doesn’t injure his toe in playoff games. Doc, you know what to do.

    Honestly, what is Blake’s value? The guy is a total injury liability and he disappears in 4th quarters when healthy?

    Griffin is and has always been overrated. When healthy, he’s a guy who can give you points, rebounds and steals at league-average efficiency and is liable to make a highlight reel every other night.

    He’s exactly the kind of person who gets traded for another overrated wing/stretch-4 (George, Anthony) and their teams basically stay exactly the same as before the trade.

    Clips need to let Griffin go and acquire Melo and OQ.

    Do the Celtics still covet Griffin? A three way with the Knicks, Clips, and Celtics? Celtics get Griffin. Clips get Melo and OQ, Knicks get salary filler (Rivers?) and a nice pick. How about the Nets’ 2018 pick? Or maybe OQ goes to the Celtics in this one…

    However, the Celtics look to have righted the ship. Damn you, Rondo!

    Griffin is a good player. When healthy and young he was a good roll man and a very good passer for a big man. Unfortunately, he played on a team with an even better roll man with a tremendous point guard. Now, he can’t seem to stay healthy. He’s still above average when he can get on the court, but as Jowles says he’s never been the guy who some pundits kept putting in the MVP conversation a few years ago. Hopefully he’ll trigger his ETO, sign somewhere else in free agency, and the Clips will look to replace him with Melo.

    Right. Never going to give you surplus value at his salary, and since we’ve seen what he can do with the best all-around point guard since Stockton, there’s no place to go but down. Playing next to a Derrick Rose, or even a Dennis Schroeder, means more midrange and post ISO shit.

    I foresee a similar career arc to Amar’e. Leaves his PNR genius PG and suddenly falls off, but his star reputation carries him to undue expectations that he never meets with his next teams.

    Yeah, the Celts can maybe get Griffin by just signing him if he opts out. I do think that the Clips should try to trade him, though, if opts in. They should be very wary of him now, so maybe a Melo and OQ package could entice them, but that’s a lot of cap space to account for in any deal. Phil could take Griffin back, but only to flip him to another team, I’d hope.

    Boston’s probably going to take out Chicago now, so all these premature Melo to the Celtics rumors should die.

    I think that’s a really sad and unfair assessment of Amare. We shouldn’t have signed him to that contract, but not because he wasn’t good enough, just because his body was already breaking down.

    For half a season he was a total beast playing with Felton – who no-one could mistake for a hall-of-fame calibre PG – and a bunch of young guys just starting out. That was such a fun team and EVERYONE at the time was saying he had proved he was more than just a product of Steve Nash. He broke the franchise record for consecutive 30 point games and was even touted as an outsider MVP candidate while propelling a young team to a .500 record.

    His body failed him, and the Melo trade changed the team’s focus. But to say he fell off a cliff immediately after leaving Nash doesn’t do him justice, IMHO.

    My guess is Blake’s numbers would stay more or less where they are if he went to the Celtics-getting away from Jordan and being the primary pnr option would help his numbers as much as the step down from Paul to Thomas would hurt them. Healthy, he’s probably worth right around what he’s going to get paid (at least for the first few years of his contract) but he’s never healthy and seems like a bit of a prima donna to boot. If the Knicks somehow got him in a Melo deal (about a 1% chance) I’d certainly look to move him even though he’d be a very good triangle fit given his passing ability.

    @5 The best thing that’s happened is that the Bulls probably believe that they’re contenders again and will hold onto Butler and overpay for Melo so as to reunite him with his fellow Olympians. What would we want in return? Portis? Picks? Grant? I’m rooting for you Jerian!

    When Blake was hovering around a 57-58 TS% I think he was legitimately a very good player. His rebounding was underwhelming but based on his first two seasons I think he was mostly just ceding them to Jordan. Then he fell in love with the long two (his combined FGA% from 16<3 in 2014/15 and 2015/16 was over 40%, yuck) and his efficiency plummeted.

    This year he exchanged a lot of those for 3PT attempts and what do you know? He was back around a 57% TS. I think he'd be good for a team where he'd be the primary roll man as long as he continued to shoot threes instead of long twos.

    I think he can continue to be pretty good when he’s on the court but his injury history is terrible

    Blake Griffin has maybe one or two decent seasons left in him until he hits his decline phase. And when he hits his decline phase he’ll be egregiously overpaid.

    The Melo trade is going to be a very sad day. Not because it’s not time for Melo to leave, but because Phil Jackson is going to screw up a deal where we could have landed something useful in return for a bag of nothing.

    If we bottom out next year hopefully we land Michael Porter Jr.

    Luka Doncic is far and away the best prospect in next year’s draft and he’s probably a better prospect than Fultz or Ball

    Porter looks v good tho.

    @15 I must commend you for complaining about a trade even before Phil makes it. Why wait?

    Vince Carter is still in the NBA. In fact, he is a getting real minutes in the playoffs. And he was better than Melo on a per minute basis this year.

    @17 Phil Jackson is so desperate to get rid of Carmelo that he’s going to get low balled if the market is small. And the market might only be the asset starved Clippers.

    Conley’s never going to be worth that contract but he’s really turned himself into a really good player.

    Conley has been really good for a while. Looked like he would be in college too. Up a level this year though for sure. Great signing.

    Conley was worth the contract this year and prob next–the backend of the contract is really scary tho

    Look at Vince defend Kawhi.Unreal

    They will never get a legit free agent to sign there. I honk it was a great signing, especially if NBA economics conitinue trend

    I’m going to guess that wow series is for Kawhi tying the game despite the 1115 Back to the Future timestamp

    Incredible game. I look forward to the Knicks being involved in something similar.

    Incredible game. I look forward to the Knicks being involved in something similar.

    How old are you?

    At a certain point, life expectancy comes into the equation. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Lance Stephenson > Jerian Grant > Tony Wroten > Paul George > MJ > Kareem > Wilt > James Naismith > Phil Jackson > Getting Run Over By A Bus > Reub

    We need a real star. Like Gianni’s or Kawhi or Lebron. And we need him at the age of 20. That will probably happen in my lifetime but it also probably won’t happen in the next five years.

    I am 39 and losing hope

    When I was 39 I didn’t think of such things. You are wiser than I was at that age. At 58 I know better. ๐Ÿ™‚

    We need a real star. Like Gianniโ€™s or Kawhi or Lebron. And we need him at the age of 20. That will probably happen in my lifetime but it also probably wonโ€™t happen in the next five years.

    That more or less explains why I went off the rails a little mid season. I was hoping KP was going to develop into the elite centerpiece star we need to eventually contend. But his minimal progress this year made me start thinking it was more likely he was going to wind up becoming more of a complimentary all star caliber player and not a centerpiece. If that’s what happens, the path from where we are to the promised land is still a million miles away. It’s the centerpiece player that’s the tough part. You have to get lucky to get one at #7 or #8. As much as a really like KP, we were in a position to get Towns last year and we blew it.

    As much as a really like KP, we were in a position to get Towns last year and we blew it.

    This may be true but they’ll never take Tim Hardaway Jr’s great game against Atlanta away from us

    Knickerblogger 2019: “We were in a position to get Lonzo Ball last year and we blew it.”

    Who goes five years without losing a single first round game?! Lebron is nuts.

    Brian Cronin
    April 23, 2017 at 5:13 pm
    Who goes five years without losing a single first round game?! Lebron is nuts.

    – how about the Knicks? O I think it’s only 4. ๐Ÿ™‚

    I am much younger than Dolan so hopefully the next guy isn’t that bad. I will carry on the will of Knickeblogger when the time comes.

    Unless KP makes a monster leap in his development and becomes as productive as Willy Hernangomez, there’s a very good chance we will be bad enough to land Michael Porter Jr next year. That kid is more skilled and more athletic than pretty much every small forward I’ve seen since KD.

    DeAndre Ayton is the guy I’m most interested in as far as next year’s freshman class. He has sky-high potential.

    Man, the playoffs have been great so far. That Thunder/Rockets game ended amazingly (besides the missed free throws by Roberson).

    Gerald Green is a guy I really thought we would sign since he had his best year under Jeff Hornacek and I figured he’d be really cheap. Seems he can still ball in spurts.

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