Knicks Morning News (2017.03.25)

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah suspended 20 games for banned substance: report
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 10:27:35 PM)

    Now even next season will start badly for maligned center Joakim Noah. Noah, who has been out since late February after knee surgery, will be suspended Saturday by the NBA for 20 games for violating the league’s anti-drug policy, according to a Vertical report. Even though Noah is rehabbing, the suspension reportedly will begin with…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis as No. 1 option: An ugly work in progress
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 12:15:22 PM)

    SAN ANTONIO – Kristaps Porzingis was disappointed but hardly deterred after failing to elevate his game after being elevated to the Knicks’ featured guy Thursday in Portland. Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose rested minor injuries, leaving Porzingis as the No. 1 option all night. The 7-foot-3 Latvian sounded eager for another chance after an 8-of-21 shooting…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose got a call from John Calipari when he went AWOL
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 10:35:43 AM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. – Derrick Rose is rooting for his college coach John Calipari, but will have his eyes on UCLA’s stud point guard Lonzo Ball and Knicks teammate Justin Holiday’s brother, Aaron, when Kentucky faces UCLA Friday night in a Sweet 16 classic in Memphis. Rose flew to Los Angeles during the All-Star break and…

  • [ESPN] Source: Noah banned 20 for drug violation
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:55:19 AM)

    Source: Noah banned 20 for drug violation

  • [NYTimes] Devin Booker Scores 70 Against Celtics, but Suns Still Lose
    (Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:58:31 AM)

    The 20-year-old Booker, whose previous career best was 39, became the sixth player in N.B.A. history to reach that total.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose says money won’t be the top factor when he hits free agency
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 11:35:22 AM)

    Knicks G Derrick Rose says money won’t be the number one factor when he hits free agency after the season.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis disappointed in how he played against Blazers
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 8:55:23 PM)

    SAN ANTONIO — Playing with Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose, Kristaps Porzingis hasn’t had the opportunity to be the focal point of the offense. With Anthony and Rose out Thursday night, he had that chance, and Porzingis was disappointed with his performance.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah suspended 20 games for violating NBA anti-drug rules
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 10:14:03 PM)

    The Knicks will be without Joakim Noah for the rest of the season.

  • [NYDN] Patrick Ewing’s time is now and Georgetown is the right place
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 9:50:26 PM)

    Patrick Ewing has been preparing and waiting – and waiting – for his first big break for 15 years now.

  • [NYDN] Charles Oakley upset Patrick Ewing didn’t call after MSG incident
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 8:39:03 AM)

    Charles Oakley still wants to be the center of attention.

  • [NYDN] Georgetown to consider ex-Knick Patrick Ewing for coaching job
    (Friday, March 24, 2017 6:37:58 AM)

    Patrick Ewing will reportedly be considered to coach his alma mater.

  • 61 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.03.25)”

    Derrick Rose, realizing there is no big money offer out there for him – “It’s not about the money for me!”

    Well, uh, at least Noah apparently still gives a shit, I guess…

    Small sample size theater, but we know NBA scouts are swayed by tournament play. I imagine last night’s game helps Fox more than it hurts Ball, but how much did it help him? Because even with that funky shot, he’s the guy I’m most excited for if we don’t vault into the top 2.

    Fox still can’t shoot from the outside and doesn’t distribute much but you gotta love his defense, speed and ability to penetrate.

    Can anyone convince me that Phil would actually draft Isaac? I love him as much as the next KBer (def in my top 5), but why get excited if he’s not even on Phil’s radar? If we end up with 6 or 7 say, and Isaac, Monk, and, Frank are on the board still, I have zero confidence Phil picks Isaac over the other two. I’d be fine with Frank there I think (though I’m probably a bit more wary than many on this site), but I think our number one concern shouldn’t be our draft position, but instead what’s goink on in old man Phil’s head.

    I felt like Lonzo played better than the numbers showed. He made some terrific passes his teammates did not handle and played some very good help defense. But last night’s game did reveal some weaknesses he will have to improve upon as he enters and plays within the NBA. His pick and roll offense and defense needs to get better and I also think he’s not fast enough to keep up with the faster 1s in the NBA. But, in my opinion, this can either be improved upon or schemed around.

    As for Fox, he really really impressed on both sides of the ball. To me, he’s the type of guard who can dominate games in the NCAA level because of his crazy speed and quickness playing offense and defense. He made some long 2 pointers but that lack of a 3 point game is still there. I think he lacks the legs to get that shot off as his attempts from there show him to be short most of the time.

    If we don’t trade Melo on draft night there is no way in hell we take Isaac ahead of a point guard. The Knicks aren’t smart enough. Oh, and there’s a video out on Draft Express showing some damn good defense from Smith Jr. I didn’t watch the weaknesses video because who does that but he’s strong enough to get over screens and he has the lateral quickness to stay with guys.

    Dennis Smith, if he can indeed play hard, good defense, could be the steal of the draft because he is definitely an ankle breaker with what will have a great outside shot. His right handed (weak hand!) tomahawk slam will bring the rafters down at the mecca.

    I think it’s been mentioned before but that ntc…
    Sac has top ten two firsts and Portland three firsts.
    Both of those teams could be trade partners for melo

    Not to continue the conversation from the other thread (we’re already in offseason form), but Z-man, I hope you get to try legalization someday. Oregon is an incredible vacation destination if you are mobile and can walk the city and the surrounding nature areas. Lots of people are visiting as weed tourists. I’d wait until we have Amsterdam-style cannabis bars. Look how civil we are.

    Daily threads:

    -Haha, Noah (I wonder what it’s like to lose $4.5M when you weren’t even going to play those games anyway). That contract somehow just got even worse. How is that possible?
    -Devin Booker has gotta be the worst player to score 40 in a game, much less 70. Pretty unreal effort, although he’s still a trashcan player. That game alone increased his future AAV. Some idiot coach is going to salivate at the opportunity to try to coax that out of him more often. Just a total fluke event, like Galarraga/Braden’s perfect games.
    -Watch the draft boards. Fox just jumped a couple of slots. If Ball falls, I hope we’re there to pick him up.

    It’s possible that Ball could fall to #3 or even #4. The possibilities are very encouraging.

    I don’t watch a lot of college basketball, but I watched the UCLA game last night because there were so many possible Knicks prospects playing.

    Ball’s shot is so funky I can’t imagine him ever being as good as the hype when he gets to the NBA, especially under huge pressure. IMO, his shooting efficiency is going to fall and he’s going to have a tough time on defense (at least initially).

    Not because he played so well last night, but I’d take Fox over the other guys every day of the week. The only thing between him and real stardom is a 3 point shot. That can come. Most of these other guys will never have some of the attributes Fox already has. He’s very quick, gets to the basket, finishes, and defends. He reminded me of a Derrick Rose that can and is willing to defend. Add a 3 point shot in 2-3 years and it’s over. He’s a real star.

    Intangibles-wise Fox and Ball both show up the competition as well–De’Aaron always looks engaged and is vocal on the court while Ball is a steadying hand. Neither of them are head cases, which is a small point in each’s favor vis a vis the other guards (though apparently Frank is like that as well.)

    @16 I believe that Frank can be had with the 9th or 10th pick this year. Isaac with possibly the 7th. It might pay to trade down if we finish up with a high pick as is possible.

    Say the Lakers fall out of the top 3 and Philadelphia has two top 10 picks. Do you trade Willy for the worse of the two firsts (which will probably be around #6 or 7)? We could then draft Fox/Ball + Frank or Fox/Ball + Isaac, both of which would be really good.

    It’s hard to say. If KP and Willy weren’t clashing position-wise, I’d say no. But the logjam at C is something to think about. I don’t think it would happen though, especially because Willy and KP are good friends and Philly already has Okafor + Embiid. Perhaps someone else in the top 10 would be interested.

    Of course if we do trade him, he’ll end up being Marc Gasol with better rebounding and worse defense. If we don’t, he’ll be a decent but not great player.

    I love the idea of trading down. It the draft is so stocked that I don’t see anyone giving a first to go a few positions higher

    Philly has Okafor so it sounds a little redundant for them to want Willy. But we might just want to trade a #3 or 4 pick to Sacramento for their 7th and 9th. Tankathon has them taking both Frank and Isaac right now with those picks. Lol!

    Say the Lakers fall out of the top 3 and Philadelphia has two top 10 picks. Do you trade Willy for the worse of the two firsts (which will probably be around #6 or 7)? We could then draft Fox/Ball + Frank or Fox/Ball + Isaac, both of which would be really good.

    I would do it since we need the perimeter defense in the worst possible way, but I don’t think we get to pick Foxy if we drop 6th or 7th at this point. I see it breaking down like this:

    1. Fultz
    2. Ball
    3. Jackson
    4. Tatum
    5. Fox

    No way Fox escapes the top 5 after this tournament. Now, if the question is getting a Ball or Ntilikina/Isaac combination – that’s a real tough one. I really think Ball is a special player who is too talented not to figure it out at the NBA level but I also like Ntilikina and Isaac a lot.

    The guys who are under the radar and therefore might have extra draft value seem to be Frank, Isaac and Smith. They could all be had from #6 on down and I would absolutely love two of them if it were even possible.

    How is everyone evaluating Ntilikina?

    It’s not like we are getting to see him play a lot.

    Porzingis needs a rebounder next to him as much as Gasol does. I don’t see how you trade Willy when he might be the actual franchise player on the roster at a ridiculous 4-yr/$6M. Again, the only way you trade him is if you’re positive that your draft pick is going to be a LeBron, Howard or Paul. There aren’t any sure things this year, as deep as the draft seems.

    Agreed. I’d be very reluctant to traded Willy. Never say never, of course…

    Fox is now a top 5 player in the draft. His floor is Rubio. If he’s available, the Knicks should take him unless they are in one of the top 2 slots.

    Ball does not look to be a good one one one defender, and struggled with PnR. However, he has amazing court vision and is a creative passer. I’d love to see KP get to work with a pg like that. Ball threw some interesting lob entry passes over defenders that could work well with KP’s height.

    Frank’s draft spot will be heavily dependent on his workouts.


    I think this is right but I can’t help but think the Knicks are going to fuck it up and trade Willy for pennies on the dollar later down the line since they clearly intend for KP to be the starting center as soon as next year probably.

    Phil has said, via Rosen’s article, that he believes Willy is our future center.

    @31 Splain?

    This is what Rosen just said about Willy:
    “5-of-10, eight rebounds, two assists, two blocks, and 14 points in 21 minutes.

    He showed a soft touch on mid-range jumpers, as well as on flippers in the paint — and he played hard.

    However, the rookie rarely boxed his man off the glass, didn’t finish his screens, failed to adequately show in defense of screens, and made just as many good defensive rotations as bad ones.

    Hernangomez’s biggest problem was the 7’0”, 280-pound Jusuf Nurkic, who repeatedly bullied him in the low post.

    Despite all the talk about Hernangomez being the Knicks’ center of the future, his glaring defensive inadequacies indicate that he’s better suited to being a backup.”

    Fox still can’t shoot from the outside and doesn’t distribute much but you gotta love his defense, speed and ability to penetrate.

    This is what they say about me, except I can’t shoot from the outside, distribute or play defense, and I have no speed.

    On one play, Nurkic banged him a few feet from the basket and used his ass to force WHG literally under the basket. Resulted in an easy turnaround hook, I believe. Nurkic isn’t even good.

    Still, I think WHG is the most productive player on the team, maybe 2nd to KOQ.

    Wow, I missed that Rosen article. It doesn’t bode well for Willy’s future with the team.

    “In sum, except for Porzingis, only Holiday and Randle (and possibly Baker) have the possibilities of evolving into valuable rotation players who can be trusted to play significant minutes in close ball games.”


    I think that he was a little too harsh on Willy. That wasn’t one of his better games and although he needs to improve his boxing out he’s still a good rebounder. His defense is not the worst either and he’s only a rookie.

    In sum, except for Porzingis, only Holiday and Randle (and possibly Baker) have the possibilities of evolving into valuable rotation players who can be trusted to play significant minutes in close ball games.

    Wow what a fucking moron

    Willy’s a rebounding machine. I wouldn’t give up on him yet. I do like Randle though. He has potential in this offense. Rosen went as far as to call him a future starting PG.

    Randle got under Lillard’s skin and always kept his own cool. The refs were working against him all night against the crying Lillard.

    Willy makes 8% of what Noah makes with comparable off. rebounding, only he doesn’t get injured every other game and can actually hit the backboard when he aims for it.

    If Rosen is saying Justin Holiday and Ron fucking Baker have more of a future with the team than Willy I really hope he’s not speaking for Phil.

    Would people here willing to give Randle a job as PG in this offense and draft an Isaac or a Ntilikina for the #2/offguard?


    If Fox were unavailable, sure. What’s the worst that could happen? We lose a ton of games next season and draft Doncic?


    For whatever its worth, some of Randle’s metrics aren’t bad in his small sample of games. His WS/48, OBMP and Otrg are very good. But his defensive metrics aren’t admittedly hot.

    Luckily there’s no way he can be worse than Derrick fucking Rose because he actually tries on defense so he’s pretty much an upgrade in every way.

    His passing has been a nice surprise so far (as has been his TS%.)


    He should at least be a bench piece moving forward as a 3rd guard. Not bad for a dude no one drafted.

    Pretty much the only way I see us getting a second top 10 pick this year is if Charlotte is desperate to make the playoffs (since they seem to be very short-term focused.) We could trade them KOQ and C Lee for the truly horrific Miles Plumlee contract and their first rounder (or we can trade them one of the two.) That pick would be anywhere from 9-11. Which is enough for one of Bridges, Monk, or Ntilikina, I imagine.

    Idk if it’s worth it unless Frank is on the board I think. Unless it’s just C Lee for Plumlee and the first. KOQ is too good, probably.

    If Dolan opts out of Phil’s deal and hires Mike Zarren out of Boston I would cry tears of joy.

    If Dolan opts out of Phil’s deal and hires Mike Zarren out of Boston I would cry tears of joy.

    It’s never gonna happen, but I love that tweet, because come on, there is obviously a 100% chance that there are people in the rather large Knick organization are plotting against Jackson. There are people on every team plotting against the GMs of every team in the league. It’s just how this stuff works. So it’s essentially meaningless.

    Big game for the Wolves tonight. Need them to play Towns in big minutes to help the tank.

    Rudy Gobert is straight crushing dudes now. Remember when so many people here gave KP shit for not containing him? He had a 10 for 13 line (26 points) with 14 rebounds and 2 blocked shots. This was against DiAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin.

    Jowles, I drove through Oregon back in 1993 but never got near Portland. Heard its a great city to visit and I love golfing, fishing, and of course, eating and drinking. None of those activities clash with cannabinoid indulgence, so hopefully I can spend a few days out there soon. What’s the nicest time of year?

    Comments are closed.