Knicks Morning News (2016.11.26)

  • [NYDN] Anthony’s game-winner against Hornets keeps Knicks hot at MSG
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 8:23:10 PM)

    Hold off for now on that argument about whether the Knicks’ offense needs to run through Carmelo Anthony or Kristaps Porzingis.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose spent Thanksgiving at Carmelo Anthony’s house
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 3:32:42 PM)

    “It went great, had a great time, chilled, food was great,” Rose said

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah returns to Knicks after illness
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 2:42:09 PM)

    Noah missed the previous two games this week – both victories – with an undisclosed illness.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony hosted these two NBA stars on Thanksgiving
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 10:32:36 AM)

    The Anthony residence is a home away from home for Dwyane Wade and now Derrick Rose.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks 113, Hornets 111 | Overtime: Carmelo Anthony’s Game-Winner Serves Notice That Knicks Are Still His Team
    (Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:57:11 AM)

    Anthony scored a season-high 35 points and grabbed 14 rebounds, carrying the Knicks past the Hornets in overtime at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony hits key shot as Knicks top Hornets in OT
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 10:29:14 PM)

    The Knicks defeated the Hornets on Friday night, 113-111.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s Game: Knicks vs. Hornets
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 7:13:00 PM)

    The Knicks host the Hornets on Friday night at 7:30 p.m.

  • [SNY Knicks] It’s too early to panic about Joakim Noah
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 1:00:39 PM)

    In back-to-back victories against Atlanta and Portland, the Knicks’ center-by-committee worked out quite well.

  • [ESPN] Carmelo Anthony on game winner: ‘I wanted that moment’
    (Saturday, November 26, 2016 2:55:51 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony on game winner: ‘I wanted that moment’

  • [ESPN] Thanksgiving at Melo’s included D-Wade, Rose
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 2:05:41 PM)

    Thanksgiving at Melo’s included D-Wade, Rose

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ Joakim Noah fine but rides pine when game’s on line
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 10:50:01 PM)

    Joakim Noah was back for the Knicks — well, at least for three quarters. After missing two games with an illness, Noah returned and started at center in the Knicks’ 113-111 overtime victory over the Hornets on Friday night at the Garden. Noah played 18 minutes, none in the fourth quarter or overtime, and scored…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose come up big in crunch time
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 9:34:19 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose shared Thanksgiving and then shared crunch time Friday at the Garden. It all tasted good in the end. So the beat goes on with the Knicks’ third straight win, fifth in six games and sixth in a row at home. They squeaked by for a thrilling 113-111 overtime win over…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony’s clutch shot in final ticks gives Knicks OT win
    (Friday, November 25, 2016 5:38:00 PM)

    What didn’t work in the fourth quarter for Carmelo Anthony, worked in overtime. And really, that was when it mattered most. “Honestly, I wanted that shot. I wanted that moment, to be honest with you,” said Anthony, whose shot with 3.1 seconds left in overtime was a game-winner. “I felt like I had an opportunity…

  • [NY Newsday] Joakim Noah back in starting lineup after illness
    (Saturday, November 26, 2016 12:33:45 AM)

    Joakim Noah was hunched over at midcourt at halftime, looking gassed after missing the previous two games with an illness. “I was just tired, man,” he said. “It’s tough when, man, when you’re sick and then you have to go and play a basketball game after it — it’s no joke.”

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony scores 35 as Knicks beat Hornets in OT
    (Saturday, November 26, 2016 12:32:48 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony was enjoying his best all-around performance of the season, and the only way he saw it ending was with him hitting the game-winning shot.

  • 97 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.26)”

    We’re playing with house money tonight, and we’ll have to see which team is more gassed. We’ve been a lot better at home than on the road, so pulling off both ends of the back-to-back would be a nice gauge of the progress the team has made lately.

    Hey, maybe this time KP sinks a game-winner in Charlotte that the refs will actually count.

    So guys, with the Bulls at 10-6 and us at 8-7, would the Knicks have been better off signing Wade, Rondo, and keeping Lopez? I think no, but it will be an interesting comparison throughout the season.

    We’re probably going to lose tonight, but we cannot come out flat like we did against Washington.

    I don’t buy the “house money” sentiment, nor, quite frankly, the idea that games in November aren’t important. Every game is important, especially when you’re a fringe play-off team. If the goal is the playoffs, then winning is good and losing is bad. It doesn’t matter if we won the night before against the same team, the impact on the record is exactly the same as a game in March against a different team.

    Such an entertaining team to watch!
    A couple points after reading last night’s thread:
    1. The Noah bashing feels unfair. The guy was so ill they sent him home. We don’t know what he had but he’s probably been on an IV drip and in bed for a couple days. So his production last night was pretty good. He’s physically behind the team right now because he lost some preseason play time. I truly am thankful the people on this board don’t have control of trades. A guy could have a great game, but when he makes one bad pass or one bad rotation people start naming other players they’d rather have.
    Noah is a keeper. His intensity is contagious. His effort is unquestionable. His experience is valuable. By mid season he will be playing way more minutes. I think it is smart not to rush him. I also believe him being out has shown us more about our team than we might have otherwise known. O’Quinn and Henangomez are valuable bigs. Going smaller has shown the value of Kuz. All bonuses.
    2. Same goes for Rose. Even in his MVP year he had a tendency to make bad passes or take bad shots. Fact of the matter is he appears to have his speed and quickness and his explosiveness is returning. He really has played exceptionally well let in games. You take the good with the bad and so far the sum total for me is we have won 5 of the last six and seem to be shaping into one of the better teams in the east.
    3. KP is a killer. When the team needs him to score, he scores. When they need him to defend, he stones the other team. You had a couple remarkable blocks. One a denied
    Dunk; another he got beat of the dribble, recovered and rejected the shot. Great for a man of that size.
    4. Melo played a great game by any measure, but if he isn’t perfect the Melo deriders jump at the moment and say stuff that looks silly.

    Over the last couple weeks we have become a very good team. This stretch was going to be a measure. So far impressive.

    I agree with Kahnzy, every game is the most important game when you’re a fringe playoff team. But I disagree with the goal. I think that our goal should not be to just make the playoffs, but to win the Atlantic. Boston and Toronto are really good, but can’t the Knicks be better?

    Eastern Conference:
    2nd best team – 7 Losses
    Knicks – 8 Losses

    we’re not so far from the top

    Hey guys, first time/long time.

    Hard not to be excited about this team–they are figuring out how to play with one another and really starting to come together. It’s so refreshing to have multiple players who can take over games. Remember our playoff lineups past of Melo, Toney Douglas, Roger Mason, Jarred Jeffries, etc.? Yikes. It’s also so, so, so nice to have a coach who doesn’t make you wonder what the f*ck he’s thinking every few minutes. Hornacek is just a smart, steady presence at the helm, who understands the modern NBA
    but also knows how to make the boss happy (tons of unselfish play last night, and the last few do-or-die possessions were based on triangle actions.

    A few “eye test” notes.

    1. Rose seems to lose control of the ball on his drives a lot more than I remember back in the Chicago days. Some of them are really bad TOs because he’s forcing himself into tough spots.

    2. I’ve always been a HUGE Noah fan, but he looks slower, doesn’t defend the rim very well anymore, is utterly useless on offense other than his passing, pads his rebounds by being more aggressive than teammates in similar or better position to get the ball , and doesn’t fit as well with KP as Willy. I think he’s more of a backup C now. He can come in and give the team a lot of energy on the boards in bursts. I don’t mind having him. I like him, his experiences, his leadership etc… He’s going to win some games for us. But we obviously paid too much for too long for him. 3 years at 36m would feel a lot better.

    3. KP hit some big 3s and had some huge blocks, but he looked more like last year’s KP than this year’s KP. He took some bad shots, looked off balance on some shots, his footwork was a little off etc.. No issue, just sayin.

    4. Melo had an all around great game, but even when he’s great he drives me nuts sometimes by holding the ball and taking bad shots. Sometimes he just makes up his mind he wants to shoot. He goes into “take a shot” mode and winds up either taking a bad shot or missing someone that was wide open.

    5. The Knicks can’t guard the P&R at all.

    6. Feels good to have players that can finish and win close games.

    I agree fellas, the team is a lot of fun to watch. Lots of interesting options for Horny and the teams appears to be MUCH deeper than many thought before the season began. Willie, Cheezus, Jennings, Baby Oak, etc. All of these guys are contributing. Jennings isn’t shooting well but boy oh boy, the guy can run a fast break like few can. That mad dash up the court that ended with a Cheezus slam was beautiful to behold.

    KP and Melo are a nice one-two punch and Rose is doing some nice things out there as well. Can’t discount how differently opposing PGs are performing against us. In years past we seem to have been the opposing PGs paradise. Highlight reels were built on their play against our sorry ass backcourts of the past. Not so much anymore…What a relief!

    Like a few of the saner posters, I agree that it is way to early to write off Noah or worry about trading for other players unless some perennial all star becomes available for the right price. Noah is an intelligent, high effort, highly skilled big. He will pay dividends as the year goes on.

    As well as they are playing of late, I feel like they are still learning to play together and barring injuries, we haven’t seen the best of them yet. I’ve got big hopes for our squad.

    Oh and Horny seems to have been a really good choice for head coach. I like how he has the team playing. He’s rewarding productive play with more time on the court. This will pay dividends later in the season.

    Tonight will be tough. It would be awesome to get a win though.

    Let’s go Knicks!!!

    @8

    2. I’ve always been a HUGE Noah fan, but he looks slower, doesn’t defend the rim very well anymore, is utterly useless on offense other than his passing, pads his rebounds by being more aggressive than teammates in similar or better position to get the ball , and doesn’t fit as well with KP as Willy. I think he’s more of a backup C now. He can come in and give the team a lot of energy on the boards in bursts. I don’t mind having him. I like him, his experiences, his leadership etc… He’s going to win some games for us. But we obviously paid too much for too long for him. 3 years at 36m would feel a lot better.

    I just rewatched every second of the game when Noah was in. I paused, rewound and slo-mo’ed every pay he was involved in. I can say, with absolute confidence, that he kept the Knicks in the game and that your assessment is ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

    Noah won the offensive board battle. He set hard picks, played tough interior defense, passed the ball well, and was an offensive threat on pick and rolls.

    Zeller scored on him, but mostly on long range jumpers. He was -6 for the game but it was due to others losing the ball (Rose had 4 turnovers while Noah was in the game), bad defense (KP had 4 fouls, all dumb fouls, all with Noah on the floor), and all-around bad shooting by others.

    Yes, Noah was gassed. Yes, he was a bit slow. Both symptoms were obviously due to the flu. My evaluation is that he played with amazing heart, skill and physicality. He was a key to keeping the Knicks in the game to set up the win.

    @10

    With Noah, I was commenting mostly about my general impressions of him so far this season (one game is meaningless) and I’ll stick with my view. He doesn’t do much really well anymore other than pass and give everything he’s got going for rebounds for as long as he can (sometimes taking them away from teammates). He’s more of a backup. He’d be a great backup, but he’s not a high level starter. He probably belongs in the role KOQ has now. We’ll see as the season progresses if he can find better form.

    I watched the game also and Noah was slow, constantly behind the play and offered little rim protection in addition to his net negativity on offense. His very presence on the court means that KP and Melo are playing at their second best positions and that at least one of them will be double-teamed. It’s easy to blame it on the flu but he was doing this before the flu as well. In at least 3 out of the past 4 games, as soon as he left the court the team went on massive runs without him.

    Yes, there might be a limited role for him against the bruisers in the league, but we also have O’Quinn, Willy and Plumlee who could help with that.

    And wasn’t it nice to have real rim protection down the stretch last night with KP in the middle instead of having him chase people around the perimeter?

    Stratomatic, we’ll agree to disagree.

    Noah isn’t and has never been an offensive player. He can score on put-backs and pick and rolls but he’s never had an outside shot. Yes, I would like him to defer a little less and develop a mid-range game.

    That being said, he does everything else. He’s a monster rebounder. He’s a rim defender. He dives for loose balls. He sets great picks. He’s a terrific passer. He’s a relentless pest on defense. Statistically, the only category he’s “down” in over his career is scoring. Noah is a legit NBA starting center and I think his best is yet to come. Having Noah, KP, O’Quinn and Hernangomez as our centers is a major strength of this team.

    His very presence on the court means that KP and Melo are playing at their second best positions and that at least one of them will be double-teamed.

    Melo and KP play mostly at the 3 and 4 without Noah on the floor and they’ve been doing just fine. They have mismatches to exploit regardless of what positions they play.

    Noah is really bad for spacing purposes and he closes off driving lanes. I think thats a big factor why he doesn’t play down the stretch. Its only out of respect they are keeping him in the starting lineup. But Kyle O’Quinn has outplayed Noah this year. O’Quinn can hit a 15 to 20 foot jumper which helps with the spacing and double teams.

    I respect the hell outta Noah and realize that he does bring many intangibles to this team but He definitely is a backup at this point in his career.

    If you just signed someone to a $72M contract and you’re only playing him out of respect, you really, really, really fucked up.

    How much of an impact has it had? We’re near the bottom in the league in drives per game, points off drives and assists out of drives.

    We’re averaging 6.2 more drives per game than last year, 5.3 more points per game on drives and 0.4 more assists per game on drives. We’re never going to be that great in number of drives because KP and Melo are our 2 best scorers, but not being the least dynamic team off the dribble by far is certainly helping the team.

    opinions that have suddenly become contrarian.

    1. the knicks are doing okay because melo and kp have been really good, and for almost no other reason. everyone else has pretty much sucked or not mattered much. KOQ/Noah have played limited minutes.

    2. noah has fallen way too far out of favor here. he is still 100X the defender that Willy is; i mean the difference is not palpable it is enormous, and willy’s turnovers moot a lot of the smart, slick, agile stuff he pulls off offensively. noah can’t defend the rim like he used to but nobody outside of kawhi recovers faster and more consistently from double teams than noah. Willy has a long way to go to be really useful, but he’s young. Kuz is fun to watch but i’m also not sure if he’s a useful player yet, either. If he turns out to only be a sub 35% 3 point shooter i don’t think he’ll help much. feel decent about holiday though.

    3. while it’s totally fine to argue that rose’s penetration creates some nice ancillary benefits that are hard to capture, he still mostly sucks. last couple of years i thought he was selfish/lazy because he constantly got back-doored on defense and ball-hogged. watching so closely it seems more that he isn’t either of those things but he just has well below average court awareness and this really matters. when brandon fucking jennings makes you shocked at how nice it is to have a smart distributor who finds guys in their spots you know the other guy has a major flaw.

    What a game last night. I missed most of the game thread but my thoughts:

    1) maybe the best game I’ve seen from Melo since his monster game against Boston in the playoffs his first year in NY. Under control, a minimum of forced mid-range jumpers, great passing, reasonable defense, protected the defensive glass. And QUICK decisions with the ball.

    2) Neither Rose nor Jennings has been statistically great, but I think it’s fair to say at this point that the amount of energy opposing guards have to expend guarding them has caused them not to play up to their usual production on their offensive end. For example – I know this is not necessarily a statistically rigorous way to look at production, but if you go to the daily fantasy sites and look at “defense vs. position” stats, the Knicks hold opposing PGs to somewhere around the 8th fewest fantasy points of all NBA teams. Some of that is that we played Brooklyn without Lin and Detroit x 2 without Reggie Jackson, but we’ve also played against Lillard, Lowry, Wall, Kemba Walker, Kyrie, Isiah Thomas, and Conley – – seems like probably a pretty average “vs. PG” schedule. I’m having trouble finding sites that give you those kinds of stats for years past, but I think we can all remember how poorly we played defensively against opposing PGs with Calderon manning the point.

    3) Arbitrary cut-off alert: Derrick Rose last 10 games – per 36 = 17.7 points, 5.7 rebounds, 4 assists with eFG 47, TS 52.2, USG 24.7, NetRtg +1.0. He’s still turning the ball over way too much (he’s cut down his turnover rate in the last few games), but I think most of us in the “Derrick Rose Optimist” group would have signed off on this kind of production.

    continued…

    I’m not saying Noah’s been bad, since I’ve never been the kind of guy to complain about a guy with those rebounding numbers. I’m just saying that “respect” is a fucked up reason to play any professional athlete, especially one who signed a $72M contract months ago.

    Yes, we can definitely improve on Rose at PG. He’s not the savior at the position, but on this team he brings some skills to the table which help everybody else and defensively he’s been much more active than I expected, especially the last 3 games where he’s kept Schroder, Lillard and Kemba relatively in check.

    4) I was/am against the Noah contract but I think much ado about nothing right now. He’s 8th in the league in rebound rate, 2nd in offensive rebound rate (of guys who have played real minutes), and he STILL has the highest ORtg on the team despite “the team playing better without him”. This is due in no small part to the fact we are absolutely crushing the opposition on the offensive glass when he’s in the game — our ORB% = 30% when he’s in the game (vs. 25.4% for the opponents). You guys can check my math but given he plays about 1/2 the minutes in the game, his rebounding creates about 2.3 net extra possessions per game. Since our ORtg with him in the game is roughly 1.1 PPP he creates a net + 2.5 points per game for us just with his offensive rebounding. That is huge.

    5) I am loving Kuzminskas. It seems he is just in the right place at the right time, and that his defense is not quite as awful as we were worried it might be. he shot terribly last night but still managed 4 boards, 2 assists, and a steal in 24 minutes.

    We all focused on the Rose/Noah/Lee signings but overall the Holiday, Kuzminskas, and Hernangomez moves may be just as impactful. We will see. We’re nearly at the 20 game mark that we all put out there.

    @Frank

    Kuz’s defense on Batum was pretty good for the most part I thought. Batum just hit a lot of difficult turnarounds and pull-up jumpers on him. His and Willy’s defensive ability is much better than I expected so far.

    Wondering, and not in a troll-ish fashion, whether people in both the “optimist” and “realist” camps would want to readjust their win/loss predictions now.

    At this point, I would be pretty disappointed if we ended up with fewer than 45 wins.

    Noah is still a good player and should be starting and receiving a fair number of minutes. I might leave him out of the end of close games depending on matchups however.

    Re: the Bulls; it’s not their signings that have made the difference so much as Jimmy Butler making an enormous leap and becoming a top 5-7 player. McDermott and Wade have been the pretty good, though.

    so btw – per ESPN’s RPI we have played the 7th hardest schedule so far, and their “Relative Percentage Index” ranks us as the 7th best team in the league behind SA, GS, CLE, LAC, TOR, and HOU. I have no idea what that really means.

    (our pythagorean win-loss record is also 6-9, but whatever)

    45 wins or so seems about right to me.

    I think once Noah and Rose really round into shape, the team will be even better. The minutes that Cheezus and Willy are getting will also pay off later on. Holiday should get better too.

    Yup, at least 45 wins.

    We just found a trade partner for Noah.

    Minnesota Timberwolves head coach and president of basketball operations Tom Thibodeau is growing impatient and may deal one of his young stars for a veteran who can help him win now…Thibodeau is looking for a player he already knows and trusts in his system.

    If you just signed someone to a $72M contract and you’re only playing him out of respect, you really, really, really fucked up.

    This.

    Noah for Karl Towns, let’s do it!

    Dunn and Rubio. We can throw Lance in there for good measure.

    Frank, it looks like RPI doesn’t take into account margin of victory or defeat.

    We’ve lost our 7 games by a combined 112 points and won our 8 games by 69, which is why we look much worse by pythagorean record.

    Dunn/Jones and Rubio would be very nice but honestly I don’t think any of this trade talk is realistic–generally you don’t trade your brand new 4yr 72m signing the same year and the optics just don’t look very good for a gm as obsessed with image as phil is

    The only guy the Knicks should be eager to deal at this time is LT. He’s lost his spot to Holiday (is he okay after last night’s injury?) and Kuz. The Knicks will have to play him some (10-12 min.?) so that he can be showcased, but hopefully not much more than that. I don’t think the 4 years and $7 million per will put off teams looking for a playoff push. Take back a 2nd and an expiring, or package him with OQ.

    However, cool off on the Noah talk. Where are you advanced stats guys? Aren’t some of his numbers pretty good per 36 and all that. I’d like to keep him for at least one full year to allow KP and Willy to continue to learn from him so that they two of them can eventually take over the 5. But, they are not ready to “solo” yet. And, we have a coach who knows how to use Noah properly. Yes, he’s being overpaid and the contract is too long, but maybe look to deal him in the offseason. If this season goes sour before the trade deadline, then look to deal him and Rose. But we’re obviously not there, yet.

    OQ is fine in limited minutes, but I think it was hilarious last night that some posters were crapping on Noah in favor of OQ. Noah was coming back from a bad illness and was clearly gassed. Sorry, but OQ is not a good defender despite his block numbers. Willy was in when the Knicks surged ahead in the 3rd, and then fell behind when OQ came back in. The only area where he is better than Noah is as a mid-range shooter. Coach is using OQ just fine right now. Limited minutes.

    the blowouts count a little more than the close games in terms of predicting future record…. the close games are essentially coin flips while the blowouts are legit losses…

    Take back a 2nd and an expiring, or package him with OQ.

    Kyle O Quinn has played so well for us.

    The only area where he is better than Noah is as a mid-range shooter.

    That’s a pretty big deal for us though because of the spacing problems we encounter once Noah is in the game.

    It’s strange but TWolves need some solid vets to add to their mix of promising youngins. We need more promising youngins for KP/future and then should worry about adding vets in a couple of years. Noah and Lee would be enticing to Thibs. Dunn/Jones/Hill/Peck for Noah/Lee/Jennings would be perfect for both teams. But Phil’s in moronic “win now” mode so it won’t happen.

    Wondering, and not in a troll-ish fashion, whether people in both the “optimist” and “realist” camps would want to readjust their win/loss predictions now.

    At this point, I would be pretty disappointed if we ended up with fewer than 45 wins.

    I started at 50 and I’m sticking to it.

    the close games are essentially coin flips while the blowouts are legit losses

    This is the point I was trying to make last night-winning by 2 point in overtime at home is better than losing, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you outplayed the other team (sometimes it does). We very easily could have lost that game and it wouldn’t have been undeserved.

    This works both ways. I agree with ruru when he wrote after the Wizards game that they “made 10-15 from deep, and many were contested. I don’t think the defense was as bad as the score indicated. ” Limiting the other team to 15 3 point attempts is good. If they make most of them there’s nothing you can do but shrug. You played well and it didn’t work out.

    @41
    Yes, he has, in a limited way. You package LT with OQ if trying to get an actual useful player in return rather than just dump LT’s contract. Might Golden State bite for Iggy. Maybe get a young player/2nd also?

    LT by himself would be just a salary/years dump.

    I’m just saying that right now I’d only want LT dealt. Let’s wait a while on wanting to dump Noah (and maybe Rose).

    Anyone think we could get Rubio for Lance? He’s languishing on that bench while the Wolves are starting Levine and itching to get Dunn more playing time. They’re running their entire offense through Wiggins anyway. Thibedeau seems like the type of dude who wants more of the 3 and D type versatility Thomas is supposed to offer.

    @47. Sorry, that’s a pipe dream. With some serious stuff in the pipe.

    Doesn’t Rubio’s salary match up with Jennings? Even if the Wolves offered that, would you do it? Jennings has really charged the 2nd unit guys. He really wants to play here.

    I can’t imagine we could get a sack of basketballs for Lance at the moment.

    When is he due back?

    Even if the Wolves offered that, would you do it? Jennings has really charged the 2nd unit guys. He really wants to play here.

    We will have two PGs in FA next year, that’s why.

    @50
    Hold the fort. Just checked, Rubio’s making $13.4 million this year. That’s more than I thought.

    Jennings and LT come close to that. But why would they want LT?

    I think when all is said and done, Noah and Lance Thomas are going to be very useful pieces for us. We’ve been lucky in that since Lance has been hurt, we haven’t played any of the teams with the beast wing 3/4 scorers like Paul George, Lebron, Giannis, etc. that he would be useful against. I’m choosing to be an optimist (surprise!) that his awful shooting was a result of his injuries. I’m of the opinion you can never have enough wing defenders, especially ones that can theoretically guard 2 through 4. Lance’s contract only about 75% of what the non taxpayer MLE is rumored to be in the new CBA. It’s still a reasonable contract even if he actually is just a 33% 3 point shooter. (if he’s a 25% 3 point shooter then that’s another story)

    No chance Thibodeau trades for Noah. I get the history there but they already have too many bigs there, and they just signed Dieng to a huge contract that is probably above market rate, so not a trade asset.

    i’m still at 37 wins…. nothing’s really been unexpected up until this point except for mindy…. i was at 34/35 after the season started but i think koq finds more minutes eventually….

    Rubio had a WS/48 0f .119 last year. I pray to heaven that Thibedeau is stupid enough to trade him for some defensive help on the wing. That ridiculous offense they’re running now has messed with his numbers, but I bet Hornacek would perfectly optimize his production running with the Euros.

    @52
    Yes, but isn’t that why a LT and OQ to Golden State for Iggy/2nd guy to match salaries could fly? LT needs to play some and show that he’s healthy, first.

    Iggy gives the Knicks another wing defender and, I think, his contract expires, opening up more cap space in the offseason. OQ gives GS a solid C to help. Maybe LT kind of replaces Iggy for them.

    We just need to get reub and Ras1980 to sing the praises of OQ to Kerr.
    🙂

    Lance is a worse (and overrated) defender than holiday and doesn’t do anything productive outside of shooting–and he *needs* to shoot at 38-40% in order to even approach being a net positive on the court (even then I don’t think he is.) He’s not a good player and not a good investment given he only has a 40 game sample of half decent three point shooting.

    I’d trade him for anything. It also means we get out from under another long-term albatross

    I’ll update my projected win total to low 40’s, mainly because of Porzingis’ rapid development.

    Iggy and Kevon Looney would be a perfect trade for LT + OQ but I don’t think GS is dumb enough to trade for a bad player and OQ while giving away a very talented young player in Looney. I would miss OQ as well

    does strength of schedule account for injured players? because that would definitely explain the fact that the knicks are over the pythagorean wins prediction with one of the apparent toughest schedules in the league.

    I’m still not liking Rose and Noah, but i am liking everything else… this team has depth, Carmelo is shooting and passing better, KP is finding ways to contribute even when he has a bad game and the defense was better than I expected last night.

    Charlotte is a very well coached team with some talent, but they took a lot of unforced bad shots and missed more free throws than usual, so tonight’s game might have a different outcome… a win for the Knicks would be massive, still.

    @58
    I agree; I doubt they’d include Looney.

    We could take back Varejao. He sucks, but he’s an expiring and might make the salaries work. Phil could even dump him and make Plumlee the little-used 3rd string (4th string?) center. Maybe squeeze a 2nd rounder out of them?

    The Knicks get Iggy for this year and cap space after. GS gets OQ to pair with Pachulia and LT for depth. Gotta showcase LT.

    I don’t think GSW would give us Looney, and honestly Iguodala looks to be done… he’s a valuable player on defense and he can handle the ball, but when he’s shooting so terribly from 3 he’s a huge liability on offense.

    I would rather keep KOQ and the big man rotation behind Noah with Willy, which has been pretty good, and keep giving minutes to Holiday and Kuz

    @59
    They don’t really need to, but I’ve read that their interior defense is not good at all. You’d have to sell them on OQ being a good defender to pair with Pachulia. You’d also have to show that LT is healthy. Moving Iggy also might give a younger player who deserved time more.

    They probably won’t make a big trade, but a smaller one.

    @63
    Yeah, I agree. Just dump LT at the first opportunity.

    But, if you actually want to add a useful player in a trade, you’re going to have to give up something of value to the other side. OQ probably has some value out there…

    @66 oh, I would be incredibly happy if he Knicks manage to dump LT for anything of value, but with Noah’s history of injury problems and the way he’s been playing, I’d feel very uncomfortable giving O’Quinn to do it.

    the Knicks have Rose’s massive expiring contract, so i would hold still and see if LT can contribute in any way this year, the knicks are in win now mode anyway and if he manages to not be 100% terrible on the near future maybe some possibilities open up… i don’t think it’ll happen tho.

    As for Charlotte i’ve got to admit that i got scared last night when we were down 15 even with Kemba being shut down and while they were missing their FTs.

    That’s why i consider this W as a BIG ONE and not one in the OT with only 2points…

    Charlotte is a pretty good team.
    Beating a pretty good team with such an impressive comeback on the 3rd Q makes you a pretty good team too.

    #BIG WIN#
    Let’s pair it !

    Batum is questionable and Williams is doubtful tonight. Would be great if both were out tonight

    Re: the Bulls; it’s not their signings that have made the difference so much as Jimmy Butler making an enormous leap and becoming a top 5-7 player. McDermott and Wade have been the pretty good, though.

    If D Wade is going to continue to shoot 10.3% above his career rate from 3 at the age of 34, the Bulls will likely continue to over perform

    Jimmy Butler has been incredible, and the quality of looks he seems to get are ridiculous.

    Yeah, Butler’s been the best 2 guard in the eastern conference (if not the NBA) the last couple years. Not quite this good, but he’s not coming out of nowhere.

    He’s .320 WS/48 right now.

    He’s been great, but totally different stratosphere this year.

    Three quality wins in a row. If we continue to play this way at home I think it does mean playoffs. KP is the big reason. We should nickname him that. Don’t worry about Lance or koq. We’re going as far as he takes us. Obviously Melo as well who had a freakin monster game. Better court awareness with nice passes. Honestly, though I’ve learned not to go against Mike K and as far as I know he’s not predicting playoffs. Anything changing there?

    considering Chicago replaced Rose with the only other famous PG who could rival his terrible last season in Rondo, I expected them to be a middle of the pack team… I also expected Butler to struggle a little bit more, but clearly he’s at an established superstar level and has been unstoppable.

    I still feel comfortable with my prediction of 43 wins. We have had a tough schedule, but we’ve also been relatively healthy.

    And why would Minny trade for Noah when they have Cole Aldrich?

    Because the report is that Thibedeau wants veteran guys who he’s familiar with.

    Something has to give with DRose.

    39 % of his shots are coming at 0-3 feet, where he’s shooting 59.5%.

    As a driver he has a 61.7 TS with a minuscule 4.6 TO%.

    Of the 50 players in the league averaging 5.1 drives or more per game, Rose ranks 13th in PPP, that’s despite having one of the lowest FT rates on drives on the list.

    And yet Rose is shooting below his career average in every jump shot range, including .95 points below his 10-16 feet career percentage, and .120 points below his 16-23 feet percentage.

    In fact, if Rose were to be shooting at the rates from those spots he did last year –47.6% from 10-16 and 38% from 16-3, his TS would jump to .558.

    Rose is a driving and finishing at an ELITE level for an NBA point guard, but he has suddenly become one of the worst jump shooters in the NBA.

    Which one is the anomaly?

    To me, it’s the jump shooting. He’s driving and finishing like peak Rose, sans the dunks and free throws. If he can do that, surely he can rediscover his jumper.

    As with most things, you’d expect both, not one, to revert to the mean. Which would maintain his shooting efficiency at the usual piss poor levels.

    “As with most things, you’d expect both, not one, to revert to the mean. Which would maintain his shooting efficiency at the usual piss poor levels.”

    Lazy.

    The explosiveness required to get the rim at a high rate and finish at high level is something that is either there or not. Jump shooting is far more elastic and inconsistent.

    Butler playing 3? with Wade and Rondo
    Got some big pipe dream trades here… noticed Eisley on Hornacek coaching staff, he should bring the Postman to consult on PNR and field goal efficiency

    One other anomaly of this season is that Melo’s shooting from 10 feet through the 3-point line has spiked dramatically. He’s shooting .500 from 10-16 feet, by far the highest percentage he has ever managed in his career. For his career he is a .396 shooter from that distance, and his previous career high is .447. From 16 feet to the three-point line he is shooting a blistering .523, which is also far beyond his career mark of .416 and his career high of .453.

    He’s off to a hot start, there’s no question about that. I don’t know how sustainable it is going to be.

    @85

    Good point. I’ve felt Melo is benefiting from defenses unable to load up on him and better opportunities being created but if there’s a drop in his mid-range shooting that would be a big problem.

    Melo has been shooting great and I agree about improved spacing. He’s shooting so well he hasn’t had to go into drive mode really at all.

    The big thing with Melo’s efficiency is the catch-and-shoot 3.

    He’s shooting a healthy amount of those, making up for a horrible pull up 3 percentage.

    Melo really looked great last night playing the 4. Against smallish teams like Charlotte, Melo at the 4 is really the way to go.

    @ 83 A lot of Rose’s drives end with a 6 foot floater or a jump pass and don’t get near the rim. If you include those and not just layups (where he has been great) how do his numbers change?

    I would presume those shots are included in NBA’s advanced data set considering Rose’s fg% is lower on drives than it is on shots 0-3 feet.

    Not sure it counts as drive if it the driver doesn’t get near restricted area.

    I’m happy with Rose so far, but it’s early. Noah? I guess the same thing. I don’t like his contract, but he’s not an albatross playing at this level. Just not what I hoped for, which was a resurgent player. He’s pretty much what he has been the last 2 years. I’m not desperate to trade him, but if the right deal came along, I’d jump at it. The last 2 years of his deal don’t look good.

    I think we are in a very similar boat as Chicago. Butler is playing great, but Wade and his knees are the key to their season, just like Porzingis is playing great but Melo is the key to ours. I can see us having very similar records all season long.

    The explosiveness required to get the rim at a high rate and finish at high level is something that is either there or not. Jump shooting is far more elastic and inconsistent.

    this is an overstatement. it’s not binary. every bip of explosiveness matters on the margin. there’s a reason rose is still getting fouled at such a low rate on his drives, no better than last year, and that reason doesn’t wear stripes. it’s totally reasonable to argue that mid range shooting is more volatile in result and more consistent underneath than drives, and thus should provide more mean reversion. but it’s also true that a mere5 points of higher FG percentage through 15 games at the same # of drives/game is literally the difference between 4 or 5 shots bouncing in or out. could easily be volatility. some people watch rose and see improved explosiveness. i watched him a lot last year and I don’t see it. i hope i’m wrong because it would matter.

    fyi drives are touches that start at least 20 feet out and get dribbled within 10 feet ex-fast breaks. there are obviously going to plays whose accounting will be unclear/confusing, but the six foot floaters should be in there.

    @93 great post, I have the same feeling, unfortunately.

    hope to be wrong, but not so wrong that Rose gets a huge extension

    What I liked is how open Melo got at the FT line when running the 1-(3/4) pnp with Rose. I also like how well Melo was seeing the PnR passing lanes as a ball handler. He made some great passes that were not converted and had a few hockey last to boot. Also, I like how quickly he shot from iso/post plays last night too.

    The one thing that worries me is that it looks like Melo has a little hitch in his giddy up as he runs up the floor. Maybe I am seeing things but his gate does not look as fluid.

    Sidenote: how did Melo loose so much speed so quickly. I get looking a step but he went from Jordan Reed to Jason Witten in like two years after he became a knick.

    Sidenote: how did Melo loose so much speed so quickly. I get looking a step but he went from Jordan Reed to Jason Witten in like two years after he became a knick.

    Knee surgery will do that to you. Its why I worry about his quick regression.

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