Knicks Morning News (2016.11.18)

  • [NYTimes] This Phoenix Suns Reserve Calls the City’s Police Chief ‘Mom’
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:45:05 PM)

    Alan Williams, a reserve center, is in his second season with the Phoenix Suns. His mother, Jeri Williams, is in her first month as the leader of the city’s police force.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose’s accuser appeals defeat in rape lawsuit
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:21:01 PM)

    The ex-girlfriend who lost her lawsuit accusing NBA star Derrick Rose and two friends of raping her appealed the verdict Thursday on the grounds that damning testimony should have been excluded and other evidence should have been admitted at trial.

  • [SNY Knicks] Wizards shut down Knicks, Porzingis, 119-112
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 8:30:42 PM)

    The Wizards shut down Kristaps Porzingis and the Knicks with a victory in Washington.

  • [SNY Knicks] The arrival of Kristaps Porzingis
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:30:37 PM)

    In just his 83rd NBA game, Kristaps Porzingis finally and truly arrived thanks to his career-high 35 point performance in a 105-102 win against the Detroit Pistons.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jackson assigns Knicks a book on meditation
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:05:15 PM)

    Knicks president Phil Jackson has distributed books on meditation and mindfulness to the team.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks battle Wizards in D.C.
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:00:15 PM)

    The Knicks (5-6) face off against the Wizards (2-8) in Washington D.C. on Thursday night at 7 p.m. ET.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks go for third consecutive win
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:36:55 PM)

    The Knicks travel to Washington D.C. in search of their third consecutive win.

  • [SNY Knicks] Lance Thomas will have ankle injury reevaluated
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:58:01 PM)

    Lance Thomas’s injured ankle was in a walking boot after Wednesday night’s game, the second one he’s missed due to a high ankle sprain.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis has career night against the Pistons
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:00:41 AM)

    Kristaps Porzingis scored a career-high 35 points for the Knicks during their 105-102 win over the Pistons on Wednesday night at Madison Square Garden.

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Brandon Jennings not happy after loss to Wizards
    (Friday, November 18, 2016 5:54:49 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Brandon Jennings not happy after loss to Wizards

  • [ESPN] Appeal filed in lawsuit case against Knicks’ Rose
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 8:18:55 PM)

    Appeal filed in lawsuit case against Knicks’ Rose

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: Porzingis scores career-high 35 in win over Pistons
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:21:29 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: Porzingis scores career-high 35 in win over Pistons

  • [NYDN] Knicks defense again a no-show in loss to woeful Wizards, 119-112
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:44:59 PM)

    If the Knicks want to be a playoff team and save themselves from lottery embarrassment, they can’t lose games like Thursday night.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson upstaging Knicks has been blessing for Jim Dolan
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:18:40 PM)

    Back in 2014 when he signed on to run the Knickerbockers, Phil Jackson listed transparency as one of his goals.

  • [NYDN] Woman in Derrick Rose rape case files appeal
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:25:54 PM)

    Jurors cleared the Knicks point guard and his friends last month

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson distributes meditation exercises book to Knicks
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:57:02 AM)

    Phil Jackson’s contribution to this Knicks season includes a pocket-sized book he distributed during one of his mindfulness sessions.

  • [NYPost] Wizards coach: Kristaps Porzingis will be an All-Star
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:28:38 PM)

    WASHINGTON — First-year Wizards coach Scott Brooks is ready to place Kristaps Porzingis in the All-Star Game sooner rather than later. “He’s definitely going to be one of the best players in the league very soon,’’ Brooks said before the Wizards handled the Knicks 119-112 at Verizon Center. “He can score [from] so many spots…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose not worried about ex-girlfriend’s appeal
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:51:04 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Derrick Rose dismissed the news his ex-girlfriend has filed an appeal after losing her civil trial last month in which she accused the Knicks star and his two friends of raping her. Rose was cleared of all charges during a case in which the accuser withheld damning text messages. However, her own appeal…

  • [NYPost] Brandon Jennings rips road effort after Knicks’ ugly loss
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:45:41 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Call it Brandon Jennings’ road rant. The Knicks backup point guard is fed up with the club’s inability to stay focused away from the Garden. The Knicks chartered a train to Washington after their significant home victory over the Pistons a night earlier, pulling into D.C. in the wee hours. Then they saw…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony gets his chance to fire back at trolls
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:15:43 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony has accomplished plenty during his basketball career, but there has always been a fair amount of criticism thrown his way by the game’s casual fans for not achieving even more to cement his place in history. This was the topic of Foot Locker’s hilarious new spot featuring Anthony as part of its Week…

  • [NYPost] The moves that are now paying off for Jeff Hornacek
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:12:29 AM)

    With the Knicks riding their season’s first two-game winning streak and a winnable game on tap Thursday at the 2-8 Wizards, it’s safe to give first-year coach Jeff Hornacek some credit. After the back-to-back disgrace two weeks ago vs. Detroit and Houston when Hornacek publicly implored his club  to start looking harder for Kristaps Porzingis, the…

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks fall behind by 27, lose to Wizards
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:31:52 PM)

    For most of the game, the Knicks looked like they expended all of their energy watching Kristaps Porzingis carry them the night before and celebrating his every move.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose rape lawsuit: Woman appeals defeat in case
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:34:26 PM)

    The ex-girlfriend who lost her lawsuit accusing Knicks guard Derrick Rose and two friends of rape has appealed.

  • [NY Newsday] Scott Brooks on Kristaps Porzingis: You can’t pigeonhole him
    (Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:33:00 PM)

    Wizards coach Scott Brooks has seen enough of Kristaps Porzingis that he believes he’s not only the future of the Knicks but one of the future faces of the NBA.

  • 131 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.18)”

    pretty disheartening effort last night. Probably can be chalked up to a schedule loss (5th game in 7 days and back-to-back), but still – that defensive effort was pretty freaking awful.

    Nice to see Rose break out a little bit. Dude still has the jets. Hitting 3’s, getting to the line? What is this, 2010?

    Pretty weird game. Yesterday there was a lot of “geez if the team could only get + PG results.” Rose and Jennings have big games, the team gets annihilated despite a late run to make it interesting.

    Melo’s FTr is at an all-time low and he doesn’t even pretend to play defense. And the calcification process has been even harder on Noah; best case is it doesn’t extend to his vocal chords. Phil’s got but one arrow left in the quiver and that’s his relationship to Jeanie Buss. Melo/Jennings to Lakers in exchange for D’Angelo and Deng.

    Pretty weird game. Yesterday there was a lot of “geez if the team could only get + PG results.” Rose and Jennings have big games, the team gets annihilated despite a late run to make it interesting.

    The point guards didn’t play defense and then didn’t start scoring until the team was down 25 late in the third quarter, so it actually seems like it pretty much goes right in keeping with the standard “geez if the team could only get + PG results” narrative.

    I’d root for an all-rookie team led by Porzingis. They would not be much worse than this bunch of unpleasant mercenaries who can’t play or even entertain anymore.

    I pity those dumb enough to think Melo would ever embrace the concept of an offense centered around Porzingis or a defense where he has to make an effort.

    Last night was more than likely a scheduled loss. 5th game in 7 days and the second of a back to back. I can believe that. We have a real test on Sunday against Atlanta though. Those guys are really good.

    That small lineup with KP at center and both PGs in at the same time with Holiday is a killer lineup. It has blown out opponents in two of the last three games.

    We could easily lose the next 5 games but at least we have some rest days coming up.

    2-3 would be my optimistic prediction.

    Melo/Jennings to Lakers in exchange for D’Angelo and Deng.

    I like the idea. But please, can we get someone other than Bustell?

    I’d root for an all-rookie team led by Porzingis. They would not be much worse than this bunch of unpleasant mercenaries who can’t play or even entertain anymore.

    Amen. But there are those who have a fetish for over 30 and injured players.

    But there are those who have a fetish for over 30 and injured players.

    It’s much too early for strawmans.

    I pity those dumb enough to think Melo would ever embrace the concept of an offense centered around Porzingis or a defense where he has to make an effort.

    Let’s hope Phil gets it. A shame but Melo does seem reluctant to play that aging elder stateman role like Tim Duncan and Paul Pierce played so gracefully for championship caliber clubs and is instead going the way of Kobe.

    It’s much too early for strawmans.

    If I said anything that was inaccurate, let me know. As it stands, the argument has been made by many throughout the blogosphere that this is a contender for a top spot in the EC.

    Let’s hope Phil gets it. A shame but Melo does seem reluctant to play that aging elder stateman role like Tim Duncan and Paul Pierce played so gracefully for championship caliber clubs and is instead going the way of Kobe.

    Yeah, Melo sure did seem pissed off after that Detroit game that Zinger was getting all the attention.

    And you’re right, this does look exactly like Kobe in his final seasons. SMH.

    Melo/Jennings to Lakers in exchange for D’Angelo and Deng.

    I like the idea. But please, can we get someone other than Bustell?

    I don’t think Jeanie loves Phil that much. Gotta be realistic. But Jax should be thinking about acquiring bad contracts to position NYK for future. Here’s the plan in Jan:

    (1) D’Angelo to Knicks for Melo and Deng.
    (2) If Lee perks up and KOQ stays solid, send them to Kings for WCS and Afflalo/Barnes
    (3) Tank hard and snare a high lottery pick this summer

    Result: KP, Russell, WCS, 2017 lottery pick, Hernangomez and the rotting corpses of Noah/Deng/Barnes/AAA

    Nobody who has any idea what they’re talking about thought this team was a top spot in the eastern conference. Maybe in some best case scenario, but not realistically

    Yeah, Melo sure did seem pissed off after that Detroit game that Zinger was getting all the attention.

    Did Melo look like he was unhappy about the Linsanity era? Nope. Like Andre Bogut said, the NBA is a two-faced league. He was diplomatic, played the media game and badmouthed Lin behind his back – a fact that was confirmed by A’mare’s, D’Antoni’s and his own statements years after.

    I am not saying Melo dislikes KP. But you’re not paying attention if you think he’s going to take a backseat to any one here on the offensive side of the ball. That’s not his style. KP will defer because he’s more of an unassuming, laid back type who will pick and choose his spots. But when it comes time to pass the torch, I doubt that Melo will do it easily.

    I’m normally on the pessimistic side of things, but I’m not tearing up this team just yet. Most concerning things to me are that the defense continues to look so bad (and that Rambis is the genuis we’ve assigned to fix it) and that health was probably my biggest concern coming into the year and we’re playing sub-.500 ball while our main cogs are all fit. So much boils down to fixing the defense, because if we can’t do that it’s going to be an awfully long year.

    On that note, after the Hawks game we have Lillard, Kemba (quietly awesome so far this year), Kemba again, Westbrook in our next 4, so we better get that perimeter defense ironed out quickly. That’s an awfully tough run of PG scoring to go up against.

    Nobody who has any idea what they’re talking about thought this team was a top spot in the eastern conference. Maybe in some best case scenario, but not realistically

    Oh, I agree. But you’re not paying attention if you don’t think people expected this team to contend for a shot at the EC crown. The rest of the fandom isn’t Knickerblogger. Go to Poasting and Toasting and you’ll even see it.

    I’m normally on the pessimistic side of things, but I’m not tearing up this team just yet.

    They’re not a bad team and in fact might very well be one of the eight best teams in the Eastern Conference if the #8 spot is not that good. So if we’re talking “Is this team so bad that it has to be torn down?” like the 2014-15 team, then yes, they do not need to be torn down.

    But with the way the team is set up with their contracts, they really would be better off selling if they could. But they can’t, so we’re best off just hoping that they do play better, since this is the team they’re going to have this season.

    @18

    You think Melo would approve a trade to Boston? They have a shit ton of picks and no one to trade them to. I bet they’re holding out for Cousins to demand a trade, but maybe Melo’s not a bad option with the guys they have.

    Nope Melo and his wife will only live in NYC or LA. D’Angelo’s improved a lot this year and he’s only 20yo.

    Go to Poasting and Toasting and you’ll even see it.

    P&T is a good Knicks blog, but it’s intentionally written from a somewhat optimistic fan’s viewpoint. (that’s why I don’t post there) They’re not veteran player fetishists-maybe some of the poster are idk-they’re optimistic Knicks fans.

    You think Melo would approve a trade to Boston? They have a shit ton of picks and no one to trade them to.

    Seriously doubt any team will be willing to part with meaningful assets in exchange for Melo’s greatly devalued services. Everybody knows he won’t play defense, is in physical decline and his days as a pure (if inefficient) scorer are gone.

    How many great games has Melo had in recent memory? The ratio is probably much lower than 1 in 10.

    For those of you Jerian Grant fans, he started last night against the Jazz’ backup Exum (George Hill is injured) and scored a big 6 points on 2 for 10 shooting. Oh, he did throw in 1 whole assist as well.

    I hate blaming the loss on back to backs. But apparently they didn’t get into DC until 3am the night before? I also read that they took the train. Um, I know its the east coast but why aren’t they getting on a plane? That’s a solid 4 to 5 hour train ride from NYC. Seems like they could take the plane and get there in half that time? Gives them a few more hours of sleep.

    Back to backs suck. Also, the wizards lost to the 76ers and their coach ripped into them the night before. I know, this is non statistical analysis of why we lost but these are factors. They’re at home coming off an embarrassing loss. WE’re on the road after a win the night before, coming in late, probably tired. Not that we should lose that game. WE should win it. But our team has to try harder in these situations and not come out lethargic.

    Jeri an Grant spearheaded the defense that throttled the Jazz! That’s why you have to watch the games. What a great draft pick by Phil! Too bad he was undermined by the quislings in the FO.

    Also, the wizards lost to the 76ers and their coach ripped into them the night before.

    Do you think that’s how motivation works?

    He could probably still have a place in NY where his wife and kid would live if he went to boston.

    That’s a pipe dream though.

    Who’s to say it isn’t, Jowles? Healthy Wizards team is pretty good. Shitty bench, but that’s a dangerous 5. Was more concerned about prospects last night than the upcoming slate.

    5th game in 7 days, winning percentage on road drops precipitously.

    Why on earth would Melo go to Boston? He knows there are no rings waiting for him there. But if he did agree I think they’d still pay 80 cents on the dollar for him. He’s still a very good player.

    Russell has become a fan favorite in LA. No way Melo or the Lakers agree to that trade.

    Except historically, teams almost always play lethargically in that scenario. There are always a few exceptions, but in order to win in that situation you’re likely going to need good shooting and the oppononent to miss some shots.

    Wizards made 10-15 from deep, and many were contested.

    I don’t think the defense was as bad as the score indicated. Wizards are talented and finally broke out against a team playing in a scenario which is historically disadvantageous.

    Next few days way more important. Knicks lead EC in B2Bs.

    It will no longer be raining 3’s in Westchester. http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/basketball/westchester-knicks/2016/11/16/w-knicks-top-greensboro-117-112/93995674

    Prior to the game, the W-Knicks signed Doron Lamb, a 6-foot-4, 200-pounder who appeared in 14 games for Westchester during the 2014-15 season. A veteran of 100 NBA games with Milwaukee and Orlando, Lamb averaged 17.7 points, 4.4 rebounds, and 2.4 assists over 40 minutes per game with the W-Knicks before being placed on waivers due to a season-ending injury.

    To make roster space for Lamb, the club released forward Max Hooper, their first-round pick of the 2016 NBA D-League Draft. Hooper played eight total minutes, appearing in one game for Westchester.

    The big shock about the season to me is that the defense has been bad. That was one of the things I wasn’t worried about. Coming into the season I saw Noah, KP, and Lee as “plus” defenders, Melo as average, and Rose as an upgrade over Calderon.

    But so far, I think Noah has not been as good as Lopez. He’s been way better on the boards (some of which is probably coming out of KP’s stat line), but I don’t think he’s been as good defending the rim or on help defense. Teams are targeting KP with smaller quicker PFs that have been beating him and getting to the rim and he looks a step slower anyway. They are putting the team into a lot of P&Rs that are forcing switches that don’t seem to be working very well. It has been a big mess.

    My guess is that the defense will still come around and that the “hole” is still starting PG, but usually the defense is quicker to come around. smh

    There is never a scenario where the Knicks are what their records says they are.

    Refs, media, Hibbert in the paint, injuries, Isola, inclement weather, preseason, 20 games, triangle, chemistry, Charles Barkley, matinee game, Melo-never-had-the-support-cast-to-be-the-superstar-he-never-was and lately Jerian Grant and back-to-backs!

    But I’m sure they are top-5 in some obscure, meaningless bs statistic that the usual suspects will brandish as a badge of honor.

    Some general comments about yesterday’s game.

    1) Anyone that can say that the Knicks played defense yesterday is just wrong.
    2) Melo was torched. He played like he didn’t want to be there on defense.
    3) KP’s head must’ve gotten too big for his lanky frame because he was a dud.
    4) Courtney Lee was brought here to be a 3-and-D guy. Right now he’s neither.
    5) Rose played a good game. He’s not why they lost. Neither is Noah.
    6) It all went south the moment that Hornacek went to the all-subs lineup. When will he learn?

    I have to say I am feeling like Courtney Lee’s defensive rep was probably exaggerated. The Knicks’ defensive backcourt looks horrendous. I also feel like Melo played better defense last year. The Knicks struggle badly trying to defend the three point line– opponents are shooting .370 from out there– and they have no answer when it comes to containing penetration.

    The defense is going to be ok. The previous few games it looked pretty solid, and it should get better.

    Noah is not what he was defending the rim, but I’m quite confident, especially with what Holliday and Ndour have shown off the bench, that the Knicks will approach mediocre on defense as the season progresses.

    Melo and KP form one of the best offensive duos in the league. How good the Knicks are will largely depend on how efficient the Knicks guards play. Rose is shooting exactly the kinds of shots that give him a chance to be effective. Jennings shot looks awful, and Lee is going to be up and down.

    If Rose, Holliday and Jennings can approach league average efficiency, the offense is going to be excellent and the Knicks will win a lot of games.

    Big ifs.

    And before last night, the Knicks were defending the 3-pt line better than league average.

    The Knicks are defending the paint pretty well, but they’re getting torched in the mid-range game, which I think they’ll live with. They had also defended 3s reasonably well until last night.

    Defensive rebounding and a lack of turnover creation is primarily what has doomed the Knicks defense this year.

    I think the former has a chance to be solid, but I’m not confident the Knicks will be a high pressure defense. They should be able to defend the rim and the 3-pt line with their length, and you can already see they are trying to force teams into the midrange.

    The defense is going to be ok. The previous few games it looked pretty solid, and it should get better.

    What the… Huh?

    vs WAS 125.4
    vs DET 113.3
    vs DAL 89.5 (yay!)
    vs TOR 119.6
    vs BOS 113.4
    vs BKN 94.9 (whoo hoo)
    vs UTA 125.2

    Come on. That is a lot of absolutely putrid defense, with an occasional decent showing mixed in against a terrible opponent. The league average offensive rating is 106.2. Some of the teams on that list up there who torched us (DET, WAS) are in the bottom third of NBA offenses.

    “The defense should get better.” Well, yeah, but that is a very low bar to hurdle. They literally cannot fall any lower in the rankings, they are at rock bottom.

    I said “looked”.

    Do you think a team that starts Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris and Gortat is going to finish bottom third in offense at the end of the year?

    The Pistons shot 20-34 on shots between 6 feet and the 3-point line. The design of the Knicks defense was to allow those shots.

    The first couple of weeks the defense was horrible from every conceivable angle. Horrible rotations, no real strategy and miserable screen and roll and 1-1 play, plus atrocious defensive rebounding.

    But I think starting with the Raptors game there was some real progress, and it continued to improve up until last night.

    Shots sometimes fall at a high rate against solid defense. Until there are publicly available metrics to help us analyze the quality of shots yielded, but by myriad other factors, you simply have to form your own observation based opinion.

    To my eyes, the Knicks defense of the last few games is markedly better than the first couple of weeks.

    To improve the defense, you have to play Melo at the 4, no sense in making him run chasing wings in the perimeter. Probably if Porzingis starts on the bench (and finishes games playing at C), you can stagger their minutes better.

    What was Noah’s market like? Did he have other big money options? It’s kind of odd to see how this team made sense for him. Unless this was the most money he was getting, of course, then that’s fair enough.

    Regarding the issue of defense – I don’t recall KP being asked to guard the perimeter last season as much as he’s been asked this season. He looks lost out there, like he’s take a few seconds too long to process his assignment.

    So based on all of the scenarios being mulled out here, Melo would only accept a trade to a team: located either in NY or LA, that’s a contender, with friends he likes. I guess the Clippers are the best option. We need Blake Griffin to punch out another equipment manager and maybe we get a few picks.

    Yeah, last night is included.

    But wouldn’t including last night’s stats not speak to his point? He was saying that they were better than league average before you counted last night’s game. I dunno if that is true, but counting last night’s game wouldn’t help prove it either way.

    BEFORE LAST NIGHT they were yielding 35.5 %, which is much closer to league average of 34.67

    Do you think a team that starts Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris and Gortat is going to finish bottom third in offense at the end of the year?

    @ 55 Ruruland, I agree. Last night, when I saw that Beal was back, I tossed aside the notion of “easy win” and put the game into a different category. I would call it, “If we play hard, we have a good chance” category. Washington does not suck as bad as all that. SI, in it’s preseason rankings, had the Wizards ranked 21 and the Knicks 19.

    i thought the defense was going to be fine but porzingis defending out on the perimeter has been not good… all that comes with time though and i think he will eventually settle into being a good defender… right now his whole value is in being very tall and challenging shots in the paint…. from the eye test when he does that it leads to good results…. when he’s guarding a guy parked on the 3pt line bad things happen….

    “So not better than league average?”

    Correct, I remember gazing at the fg % allowed metrics and being surprised that they were above league average, but hadn’t confirmed when I posted. My bad. They were below league average, but not by much.

    Interesting as it is, the best 3pt% today is the Bucks at 30% and the worst is the Mavs at 40%. League average is 34.67%. 35.5% is WORSE than league average, and as Brian points out, I’m arguing against the statement “the Knicks were defending the 3-pt line better than league average” which is totally false.

    True, but I think ruru’s basic point was that you’d think that they would have been worse than that before last night’s game, right? I was surprised myself to learn that they were only barely worse than league average before the Wizards roasted them. So I think it was an interesting thing to bring up. I’m always up for stats that surprise me. 🙂

    Somehow, in all of Ruruland’s outright lies and misrepresentations of the Knicks’ defensive performance (as easily refuted by previous posters on this thread), he somehow ‘fails’ to notice that one of the worst offenders is the target of his abject adulation, Mr. Never-Had-The-Right-Role-Players-To-Be-A-Star himself.

    At least, all others are trying.

    Starting Jennings would probably help the team overall, but I’m not sure it would help the defense much

    The Knicks’ defense is below average in all of the Four Factors. They’re a very poor defensive rebounding team, they struggle to contain penetration so they foul a lot, the guards are not adept at fighting through screens and despite all the fouls the Knicks are bad at generating turnovers. That is a lot of problems to fix.

    While I’m not sure that I would agree that the Knicks defense has been better necessarily in the last few games it does look like they have more of a plan to me. They’re clearly making a conscious effort to cut down on the fouling, and that does seem to be paying dividends as it’s not the parade to the FT line we saw to start the year. It looks to me like they’re trying to drop pretty conservatively on the pick and roll coverage, cut off the rim and FT attempts (where we got murdered to start the year) and cede the midrange game. That style should be pretty low foul inducing (working in that regard), and mostly deny your opponent kickouts to the 3-point line (not working so much – certainly last night) but be really low generation of turnovers (working unfortunately).

    In contrast, the first few games it really didn’t look like we were trying to defend the PnR any particular way, and you saw Lee comment on that when he said they had mostly been practicing against triangle. It doesn’t speak very well of our coaching staff that we apparently forgot to talk about defense during the preseason and training camp, but we do at least look like we’re putting in some principles on that end now (to my amateurish eyes).

    The Knicks’ defense is below average in all of the Four Factors

    Excellent point. The worst part is that there is no reason to believe things will get much better upon close examination of the starting lineup: Melo and Rose have a history of bad defensive play; so does Porzingis, but there is every reason to believe he can improve (those are good news); Noah is greatly diminished and there is no going back to his glory days; injuries and age have him hobbled. Lee is a journeyman on attack and defense.

    So, yes, the team could and will probably improve its defense, but not by much.

    regarding the defense… we haven’t played a good team other than Toronto in a while. We’re 3-3 over the last six against…

    The Nets without Lin
    Boston without Crowder and Horford
    Toronto
    Dallas without Dirk or Williams
    Detroit without Jackson
    Washington

    Is it fair to say that all the actual active rosters we’ve played against, other than Toronto’s, would likely not make the playoffs on their own?

    Boston probably would still make the playoffs without Crowder and Horford. Detroit has a shot, as well. But yes, in general, Detroit was the best team they’ve beaten since Chicago and Detroit doesn’t seem particularly good sans Jackson (which is depressing, since Jackson is not that good).

    “Jeri an Grant spearheaded the defense that throttled the Jazz! That’s why you have to watch the games.”

    I watched the game. Exum who is not exactly The Beard outscored Grant 14-2. Grant was a minus 1 in a game that the Bulls won by 8 points. On offense he just stood in a corner and watched, which helped limit his shooting to only 2 for 10. The Jazz were playing without Hill and Favors. Grant sucks at any percentage of DRose’s salary.

    And yes, I miss Max Hooper already!

    Somehow, in all of Ruruland’s outright lies and misrepresentations

    Unnecessary and does nothing to advance any point you make. We can be respectful here (wishful thinking).

    While team defense has been lousy, let’s not lose sight of the fact that the star of the game yesterday was Otto Porter who was 8-14 (57%) from the field, 4-5 (80%) on 3pt shots and scored 21. Anthony played no defense.

    The underlying numbers suggest our defense should improve, but so far we’re not very good at any part of playing good defense, so unless something changes it suggests its unlikely we’ll have a good defense.

    We are not a good defensive team ( I know, an understatement), but the Wizards’ 3 point shooting last night was ridiculous for a team that isn’t Golden State. There really weren’t that many wide open 3’s (in fact, we probably had more) but John Wall, for example, a career .320 3 point shooter, was hoisting them up from everywhere and was 3-6. Otto Porter, a career .353 3 point shooter, was 4-5. There was one sequence where Marcus Thornton did a Steph step back 3 with a man draped on him and rattled it in.

    Once again, I’m not defending the effort last night, which was not good, but the Wiz were completely unconscious from downtown.

    No one is arguing they’ll be good, but that they could approach mediocre. The offense is good now and should have a chance to be better.

    Something else worth maybe of interest is the first run of the ESPN RPM is up today. It’s probably good to be wary of the stats this early in the season because it’s a small sample (particularly given how much overlap you have between variables), but some interesting Knicks takeaways:

    Porzingis is 15th overall in the league and 3rd at PF (Draymond and Blake Griffin) so that’s obviously excellent.

    Rose is 74th (out of 79 total) and Jennings 62nd amongst PGs. Rose right back where he was last year among the absolute worst in the league (Calderon 55th, Jerian Grant 23rd in admittedly small samples). It’s not just efficiency based metrics that don’t like our guy.

    Noah 6th among Cs despite his seemingly slow start. System still really likes his defense. Makes me think that a big part of a potential improvement might be just playing him more.

    Noah has been terrible at times. The team has performed much better without him despite what your numbers say.

    Reub, I still haven’t figured you out. You love Phil Jackson and Derrick Rose and think the Knicks are going to be Eastern Conference champs, but you loathe Carmelo Anthony and Joakim Noah.

    It’s gotta be something personal, right?

    I think RPM probably is heavily derived from prior season performance at this stage of the game so its largely useless, but of course I can’t be sure about that.

    It kills me that that bizarre Otto Porter pick is paying off for them. Luckily, they still suck.

    Porter has steadily improved every year he has been in the league, and has become a good two-way player. He was often compared to Tayshaun Prince and Shawn Marion coming out of Georgetown and I definitely see a bit of Marion in Porter’s game.

    If you did a re-draft of the 2013 draft, Porter would probably go #2 overall behind the Greek Freak.

    This graphic does a pretty good job of illustrating the concerns I have with Jackson’s approach to improving this team: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxe8pFwUsAAIZOe.jpg

    Being green is the worst, but at least teams like the Mavs and Grizz have the excuse of having been recently very good. THe pacers’ numbers are also a little exaggerated since Al Jefferson and Aaron Brooks are their two oldest players and each just barely qualifies in terms of minutes played to be factored into their average age.

    d-mar, I admit to being conflicted at times. Short term, I tend to be more critical than long term. It probably stems from the frustrations of wanting to win every quarter of every game and not always succeeding at it.

    That being said, Noah was terrible in the last game, even his defense. And Melo is terrible anytime his shot isn’t falling.

    For those of you Jerian Grant fans, he started last night against the Jazz’ backup Exum (George Hill is injured) and scored a big 6 points on 2 for 10 shooting. Oh, he did throw in 1 whole assist as well.

    So basically a standard Rose type of game, except with fewer shots and better defense.

    Grocer, Rose is coming around. He scored 27 points last night on 18 shots including 3 threes and eight free throws on eight attempts. Only 2 turnovers in 39 minutes too. He’s getting his game back and is light years ahead of Grant plus Calderon combined.

    Rose has games like this occasionally, but with zero consistency. Last night he was good, the night before he was average (15 on 15 shots, 3 assists, 1 turnover) and two days before that he was horrible (3 on 6, 5 ast, 5 TOs). He’s also been a mostly ineffective defender with occasional games where he’s decent. I’m not saying he won’t turn it around, but he certainly hasn’t done it yet.

    An inside look from an Eastern Conference scout at … Kristaps Porzingis:

    Did you see what he did to the Pistons? That’s the way you have to use him right now. You need to give him options on how he wants to attack. I’ll say this, he’s a matchup nightmare at the five. An absolute nightmare. He’s going to outrun any other center in the league and he has that length advantage at 7-3 that’s just impossible to deal with in certain situations. And yes, he’s going to take his lumps trying to guard some fives on the other end. So what. He’s not strong enough to dominate on a consistent basis right now anyway. (I don’t understand this point) He’s still just too light for that. But with him at the five and Carmelo [Anthony] at the four, you’re looking at the Knicks at their best. Because Carmelo is better against others four than his is threes at this stage of his career. Porzingis is their future. And the sooner you cater what you’re doing to his skill set, the better. KD [Kevin Durant] was right. He is a unicorn. Even better, he’s … what did James Harden say about Russell Westrbrook? He’s ‘un-normal.’ Well, Porzingis is un-normal.

    http://www.nba.com/article/2016/11/18/mvp-ladder-week-2-2016-17-can-big-man-win-mvp-again?cid=nbacomsocial_tw_sf42807759

    On a rookie contract? Who’s as/to ratio is consistently better? With room to improve across the board? I don’t think Grant’s better, but I don’t see much to suggest that Rose is a serious upgrade. Honestly, Jennings should probably be our starting PG at this point since he’s a more consistent facilitator.

    We seem to be shifting to a defense like last year’s where guards play tight on the 3-line and try to direct penetration to our bigs instead of trying to stop it. Won’t make a huge difference which PG is out there getting blown past. Jennings’ better passing would hopefully lower turnovers vs. starters and help Melo play more of a catch-and shoot game, Rose’s better penetration would hopefully be more efficient against bench players. That’s just eye test stuff though, to the extent that you can read anything into stats at this point in the season the only real difference is that Jennings has a slightly better as/to ratio.

    We’re 13th in offensive rating which the bench probably brings down a few spots. Pretty sure Ruru posted that we were near elite with the starters on offense.

    On defense, a more reasonable change would be to start Holiday instead of Lee. He’s been by far our best perimeter defender and has good chemistry with the starters.

    This Golden State 3rd quarter is evidence that this team could very well end up at 74-8. They could be cold for a quarter, or even cold for two, but most of the time there’s too much individual talent to keep them from going on a 24-3 start to a quarter and burying any chance of you winning the game. They’re just too good.

    We’re 13th in offensive rating which the bench probably brings down a few spots. Pretty sure Ruru posted that we were near elite with the starters on offense.

    Maybe that was true when he posted it, but now our starters are putting up 104 points per/100 poss. That’s like Utah’s offense. The Warriors lineup with Iggy instead of Zaza puts up 118 points per/100 poss. The Rockets put up 120 per/100 (lol) with their starters. That’s what elite looks like.

    Shows you how godawful the Rockets bench is when they’re only 5th overall in offense.

    Ah ok. Maybe Jennings would move us up a few spots on offense, who knows.

    Still more concerned about improving the defense.

    Yeah, overall that’s definitely the bigger problem. I don’t know what the answer is to that one with this roster.

    It might be to rev up the offense as much as possible and just try out to outpace our garbage D. That might mean Melo at the 4, KP at the 5, and Noah off the bench as much as possible.

    Last year’s defense scheme worked out pretty mediocre all things considered and we’ve got similar ‘strengths’ with our roster. Mediocre would be a big step forward.

    Problem is N’dour sucks and our other wings can’t rebound enough to help out Melo and KP.

    Yes, the actual starting 5 has a ORTG of 103.5, with an average of 14 minutes together per game.

    But if you separate the individuals in the starting rotation, the rating is considerably HIGHER, giving great credence to a linup switch.

    Carmelo Anthony on team offensive rating: 110.8
    Carmelo Anthony off: 96.8

    KP on: 108.6
    KP off: 101.6

    Noah on: 113.6
    Noah off: 99.8

    Rose on: 109.8
    Rose off: 99.2

    Lee on: 107.1
    Lee off: 105.1

    Jennings on: 106.1
    Jennings off: 106.5

    Holliday on: 106.8
    Holliday off: 106

    Thomas on: 96.2
    Thomas off: 109.7

    KOQ on: 99.6
    KOQ off: 108.1

    Billy: 85.8
    off: 110.4

    Combos:

    Melo + KP: 111.2

    Melo, KP, Noah: 108.1

    Guess who keeps showing up in the Knicks best two man combos? Holliday.

    Based on on/off, optimal starting combo would probably be : Rose, Holliday, Lee, KP, Melo

    Bench: Noah, Jennings, Ndour, KOQ…

    I’d like to see a Rose, Holliday, Ndour, KP, Melo, however. Great perimeter length and quickness, plus you get KP near the basket and Melo guarding a position he can actually guard at a pretty high level.

    The conundrum we have is that Joakim Noah is our most productive player but KP needs to be at the 5 in order for him to have a shot at a .700 TS% and double digit rebounds a night. We should explore trading for a 3 to slide Melo to the 4. Gone are the days where Melo has to worry about seeing David West and Kevin Garnett in back to back post season series. Rudy Gay sounds like the right guy (and he’s having a career year) but it’s a guy like Otto Porter or Tobias Harris that we really need.

    At the same time I think Noah, Melo, and KP are all playing too well for the Knicks to not improve. Courtney Lee has been killing us recently but he should round into shape, and I refuse to believe our defense will remain so bad. Honestly our best guards are Jennings and Holiday right now. They need to be seeing as many minutes as we can get them right now.

    If we do continue to suck I’d just as soon trade Melo to the Clippers in some complicated 3 team deal that nets us assets. Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fultz are as legit as they come, and it’s in the franchise’s best interest to suck enough to get one of those two.

    I’m clearly exaggerating, but KD has like a .680 TS% this season or something insane like that. With modern shot distribution charts I think somebody will post a TS% that crazy in the next 5 years. Porzingis has a shot to do it at the 5 if we run a ton of pick and roll/pop action where all he ever does is shoot threes, get dunks, and get fouled.

    “This Golden State 3rd quarter is evidence that this team could very well end up at 74-8. They could be cold for a quarter, or even cold for two, but most of the time there’s too much individual talent to keep them from going on a 24-3 start to a quarter and burying any chance of you winning the game. They’re just too good.”

    Pretty unlikely. They’ll need a lot of luck. Their point differential will be incredible. Right now they are 22nd in defensive rating and 29th in Dreb %.

    They’re more vulnerable than they were last year, and it’s marginal returns on offense with Durant. I don’t think their offense improved as much as their defense regressed.

    Clippers playing considerably better than GSW so far. No. 1 in defensive efficiency. They always peak early though

    Was that really Ryan Ruocco or a Fred Savage pic? Seriously dude looked just like Fred Savage when he had hair.

    Fultz and Ball are really looking like they’re going to be top 3 picks. The Knicks would have to tank super hard or get some serious help from the ping pong ball gods to score one of those guys.

    He has only played two games against creampuff opposition (one of which his team lost) but in those games Fultz has looked like he is operating at a different speed than everybody else, like he is permanently set to “turbo” or is in cheat mode or something. He’s really fun to watch.

    Remember, Rose for WCS and Gay on Dec 15.

    Wouldn’t that be sweet? Can’t see WCS going for cap space alone though.

    Chris Paul, who hasn’t even been good tonight, casually makes 2-3 passes a game that nobody on the Knicks would even dream of throwing. He’s a genius with the basketball.

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