Knicks Morning News (2016.11.15)

  • [NY Newsday] Justin Holiday sparks Knicks’ second-half blitz of Mavs
    (Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:38:12 AM)

    On a day when team president Phil Jackson declared in a published report that he is sticking to his plan for rebuilding the Knicks, whether it works or not, coach Jeff Hornacek made an executive decision to bench one of Jackson’s prized acquisitions. And the result was a much-needed win.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks go on Holiday in winning second half
    (Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:08:17 AM)

    Justin Holiday has lived the life of a basketball nomad. He’s traveled to Belgium and Hungary to hold on to his professional dreams, played for roster spots in summer league after summer league, and has been waived by four different NBA teams before his 27th birthday.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis and Mavs’ Dirk Nowitzki just can’t make date
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 10:25:00 PM)

    They are the two 7-foot ships that pass in the night, and speak to each other in passing. They are the friendship that every fan in the NBA wants to see, the mentorship that seemed all but inevitable.

  • [NY Newsday] Phil Jackson ‘going to follow the plan’ for Knicks, he tells ESPN
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 8:06:11 PM)

    Phil Jackson is a man who is not afraid to hold steadfast to his belief system, whether he is acting as a citizen or as Knicks president.

  • [NYPost] The Knicks irony of Phil Jackson taking shots at NBA greats
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 9:24:07 PM)

    There is a new movie out about Howard Hughes. They should have gotten Phil Jackson to play the role. Every once in a while Jackson emerges and offers his Zen Master stuff to a reporter he likes. It’s always fascinating reading, but it also a bad look for a club president who has had zero…

  • [NYPost] First conflicts, now injury stand between Porzingis and his idol
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 9:05:35 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis battled Dirk Nowitzki for the first time last December, but an Achilles injury to the Mavericks star prevented a rematch Monday night. Porzingis, bothered by his back, nearly joined him on the sideline, but ended up with his first double-double of the season. “I just woke up like that. It was locked, I…

  • [NYPost] Knicks destroy Mavs after Hornacek’s gutsy, $72M benching
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 5:08:10 PM)

    The Mavericks came to Madison Square Garden with a makeshift starting lineup, wishing Dirk Nowtizki or Deron Williams were able to play. Meanwhile, Jeff Hornacek decided the Knicks were better off without one of their biggest names. Following a sluggish first half in which the Knicks scored just 36 points, faced a double-digit deficit and…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson: ‘Totally understandable’ why Knicks stink right now
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 2:27:22 PM)

    The Knicks’ roster looks more impressive this season, the product does not. The additions of big-name talent increased their potential, but it remains untapped with the Knicks having won just three times in their first nine games, entering Monday’s matchup with the Mavericks. Phil Jackson’s decisions to acquire Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Brandon Jennings…

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony, Porzingis lead Knicks to 16-point win over Nowitzki-less Mavs
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 10:12:29 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis both scored 24 points to lead the New York Knicks to a 93-77 win over the Dallas Mavericks on Monday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks face off against Mavericks without Dirk Nowitzki
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 5:28:09 PM)

    The Knicks welcome the Dallas Mavericks, who will be without Dirk Nowitzki, to Madison Square Garden on Monday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Lance Thomas will not play Monday night against the Mavericks
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 3:20:05 PM)

    Lance Thomas will not be available for the Knicks on Monday night against the Mavericks due to a sore left ankle, the team announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Phil to critics: I don’t care about the Triangle
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 2:30:32 PM)

    In perhaps his most candid interview as President of the Knicks, and that’s saying a lot, Phil Jackson opened up to ESPN’s Jackie MacMullan in an informative and early State of the Union on the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Lance Thomas not doing a lot for Knicks so far this season
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 11:30:33 AM)

    The Knicks had a difficult decision to make this past summer. Two of their unrestricted free agents wanted to return, but after the acquisitions of Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee and Brandon Jennings, the team had to decide whether to keep Lance Thomas or Derrick Williams.

  • [SNY Knicks] Can Rose take advantage of depleted Mavericks defense?
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 8:44:00 AM)

    Following a season-high 21 points on Saturday, how will Derrick Rose fare when the New York Knicks face a depleted Dallas Mavericks defense on Monday?

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson should shut up and look in mirror with Knicks
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 8:32:44 PM)

    Phil Jackson still can’t help himself. Not after all the losses in New York – historical failure at that.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah benched in Knicks’ 93-77 win over Mavericks
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 8:31:14 PM)

    The Knicks caught Dallas at a good time and took care of business.

  • [NYDN] Dirk Nowitzki impressed with ‘coldblooded’ Kristaps Porzingis
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 7:17:43 PM)

    The Knicks and the Mavericks nearly brokered offseason training sessions between Nowitzki and Porzingis

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Lance Thomas has plantar fasciitis in both feet
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 3:47:03 PM)

    Lance Thomas has struggled early to live up to the $27 million deal he signed over the summer.

  • [NYDN] LeBron James’ business partner upset at Phil Jackson
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 3:21:19 PM)

    In his first media interview in almost two months, Phil Jackson managed to offend LeBron James’ best friend

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Phil Jackson ‘following the plan’ despite roster overhaul
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 10:18:10 AM)

    Phil Jackson would love to wipe the slate clean and pretend as if the previous two seasons never happened.

  • [ESPN] Dirk Nowitzki on Kristaps Porzingis: ‘He’s going to be a great player’
    (Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:35:41 AM)

    Dirk Nowitzki on Kristaps Porzingis: ‘He’s going to be a great player’

  • [ESPN] Derrick Rose frustrated over lack of foul calls on his drives
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 1:25:58 PM)

    Derrick Rose frustrated over lack of foul calls on his drives

  • [ESPN] Jackson not planning to opt out of Knicks deal
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 11:33:22 AM)

    Jackson not planning to opt out of Knicks deal

  • [NYTimes] Knicks 93, Mavericks 77: With His Idol Looking On, Kristaps Porzingis Shines in a Knicks Win
    (Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:44:38 AM)

    With Dallas’s Dirk Nowitzki on the sideline with an injury, Porzingis scored 24 points and grabbed 11 rebounds as the Knicks dispatched the Mavericks.

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Schedule: Here’s What to Watch This Week
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 7:26:53 PM)

    There are no more undefeated teams, but plenty of intrigue remains, including a rematch of last season’s Eastern Conference finals between Cleveland and Toronto.

  • 194 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.15)”

    Hmmm. Not sure what happened to my comment. Oh well. Here are the cliffs notes:

    1) Derrick Rose. Super awful last night. 9 games into the “20 game minimum sample” and I am getting discouraged. Good D last night though.

    2) Jerian Grant sucks. He is and was not on asset.

    3) Forgotten part of Rose trade –> Justin Holiday. Him good. Last 81 3 pointers (between CHI and here) = 43.2%. That is good, especially when you take his D into account. He is great at running out on shooters, contesting without fouling if they shoot it, or recovering if they try to attack the closeout. Definitely a rotation player.

    4) Noah – very bad. What happened to his rim protection skills? Players are shooting 62.1% against his contests at the rim according to NBA.com, better than just ONE player (if filtering for players who contest > 5 FGA/game) — Zaza Pachulia. There’s some small sample size stuff there, as Serge Ibaka is also awful by that metric, and guys like Justin Hamilton and Greg Monroe rank near the best, but even by the eye test he seems to be just letting dudes blow past him. If this is the best of the 4 years we’re going to get, that is very bad.

    5) Love Porzingis. That 1-foot stepback was not only awesome as a homage to Dirk, that could be his move in the post against smaller players. It looked so easy for him.

    What’s funny is that we suddenly can’t play KP and Noah together, whereas last year we played Rolo and KP together. When the other team has a guy like Bogut on the floor, we should have KP on him and send Noah chasing the undersized 4 like Barnes. He can actually do that and KP can’t, and Noah is more valuable moving and doubling while KP is more valuable putting his tentacles skyward in the paint. Yes Bogut is going to push KP around on the boards, but he’ll do that to Noah too, and we want most bigs like Bogut to try to score in the post. And obviously if KP is at 5 and Melo is at 4 as the alternative with Noah on the bench, KP is going to be guarding the biggest dude anyway.

    Letting KP protect the rim and having Noah guard the 4s is a good idea. Not sure why Hornacek hasn’t tried that yet.

    So Holiday just jumped like 80 points in TS% after last night.

    Should be the first guy off the bench.

    Holiday was a plus 30 last night in 25 minutes.

    Who was it on here who just the other day said he had no skills whatsoever?

    Hey I’m all for him being good, but one very good game doesn’t mean he hasnt been terrible this season.

    Not as bad as Rose though, who’s been horrible, heh.

    Hey I’m all for him being good, but one very good game doesn’t mean he hasnt been terrible this season.

    Do you even knickerblogger bro?

    Much needed win last night, one we were supposed to win. But, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why Rose wasn’t benched along with Noah. Rose played ok defense, but his shot was off and he turned the ball over a little too much. Maybe Hornacek felt Jennings was too hot-headed because of the tantrum he had last night. I didn’t think Rose played all that well last night, but the team was +20 when he was on the floor and that says a lot about the floor general. I call that the Jason Kidd Effect. A lot of times when Kidd was on the floor, it looked like he didn’t do much, but in the end his team won and had +/- differential while he played. Rose is confusing- probably because I expect him to score. I’m not used to seeing him trying to be more of a floor general, but it’s a welcomed sight.

    But like I said- we were supposed to win last night. Not that it was easy, but you gotta figure the Knicks can beat a Mavs squad sans Williams and Dirk at the Garden. It’s easy to say the team is trending in the right direction after a win, but I think Hornacek has a lot to ponder now. KP at the 5 was a revelation, considering Noah was brought in to anchor the defense. Unless Noah gets his mobility back, I think we’re gonna see a lot of KP at the 5 with Melo at the 4 this season. It worked wonderfully last night, but if Dirk played last night, I doubt KP would have played that many minutes at the 5.

    Letting KP protect the rim and having Noah guard the 4s is a good idea. Not sure why Hornacek hasn’t tried that yet.

    I mentioned that in an earlier thread..yesterday maybe..but Noah isn’t guarding PF’s right now because his mobility isn’t what it used to be. He still looks a step slow.

    the team was +20 when he was on the floor and that says a lot about the floor general.

    It says he was on the floor when Melo roasted Dallas in the 3rd

    Check it out here if you’d like a visual

    I always believed KP’s eventual position would be the 5. The spacing with him there is so supreme.

    I mentioned that in an earlier thread..yesterday maybe..but Noah isn’t guarding PF’s right now because his mobility isn’t what it used to be. He still looks a step slow.

    So what good is he out there?

    It says he was on the floor when Melo roasted Dallas in the 3rd
    Check it out here if you’d like a visual

    I watched the game. Melo was cookin in the 3rd, and that kinda was my point- indirectly. Watching Rose last night, he didn’t look like he was playing well. But at the same time, Rose has the ball in his hands a lot. So to me, he just made the right plays rather than being a playmaker last night

    So what good is he out there?

    Oddly enough, facilitating on offense. His communication on defense is good too, but our defense would be SO MUCH better if he could check PF’s and let KP protect the rim

    Oddly enough, facilitating on offense.

    Much of that’s negated by his poor shooting as far as I can see. His man doesn’t even look at him when he shades out into midrange and instead crowds in the paint.

    Guys, you’re making way too big a deal about Noah sitting out the 2nd half. Bogut barely played after getting into foul trouble in the 1st half, and Dallas was trotting out a lineup with Powell and Barnes as their “big men”. It was all about matchups, and give Horny credit for adjusting.

    Oh, and let’s ignore the 18 rebounds in 33 minutes Noah had the game before.

    It’s silly to say it’s one game. Noah is averaging 23.7 minutes, 4 points, 4 assists, 8.5 rebounds. He’s got a .460 TS%, nobody guards him on offense, and he’s getting cooked on defense. He’s rebounding well, but otherwise he’s off to a disastrous start for a guy 10 games into a huge money deal for 4 years where the back end of the contract was supposed to be the sketchy part.

    When an awful team sporting sub-NBA level talent playing small makes him a “bad matchup” where we’re better off with him not playing that’s a pretty big red flag for me.

    Agreed, d-mar. Hornacek did a great job adjusting. I’m just saying that if Noah had his usual mobility, the defense would make sense because he could move with most PF’s- even in small ball. We’re at our best defensively when KP is closer to the paint. Personally, I’m not suggesting that KP gets more minutes at the 5. Nor do I think this will be Hornacek’s play moving forward. I want Noah out there, but I want him to move better. Benching Noah last night was a brilliant move. But going forward, we’re gonna need Noah out there

    Why not make Noah Oakley and KP Ewing.
    A ferocious four is great, and leave Melo at 3.
    I think KP is much better at center.
    He can’t guard stretch fours.

    Fwiw Noah has one of the best BPMs on the team and a 3.7 DBPM, which is very good. I’m not sure how fully that metric captures (or distorts) his value, but the defense plays markedly better when he’s on the floor. But yes, there’s also serious matchup issues when Noah is playing the 5.

    Some mutterings…

    I’m glad that we won last night. It looked like a sure loss in the 1st half.

    We won because of perimeter defense and yeah, give Holiday credit for that. The rest of the team hustled on defense also. I saw Dallas swing the ball to the open man and by the time he received the ball, he was covered. Great switching and tough, press defense.

    Watching Noah receive the ball at the top of the key and turn around to see NOBODY WITHIN 10 feet of him and everyone on the Knicks covered sickens me. Even if his mid-range jumper (or whatever you call that crap) hits at a 30% rate, he needs to take it and charge in for the rebound. Either that, or he needs to drive and kick or get fouled.

    I expected to lose both to BOS and TOR because they were away games versus good team and beat DAL because it was a home game against a struggling team.

    hits at a 30% rate, he needs to take it and charge in for the rebound. Either that, or he needs to drive and kick or get fouled.

    The defense wants him to shoot-that’s why nobody bothers covering him. And they want him to shoot because he sucks at it and it’s a bad idea. Noah should not shoot the ball.

    Don’t get the idea of having KP guard the 5 and Noah guard the 4 at all. If KP can guard the 5 what is the point of having Noah out there at all… I think for this year at least it’s a good idea to have Noah there to prevent wear and tear on KP, but in the future we can probably find a more cost effective player to do that. Maybe Willy could do it in a couple years.

    Anyway, the Knicks had better hope there’s an amnesty in the new CBA bc that contract is gonna look uggggllllly in about 1 year or less.

    I’ve been saying this for years but we need wing talent, badly. Especially if we move to a KP-Melo front court in the near future.

    The main thing I got out of last night’s game was that Harrison Barnes is the worst. Thank goodness he is not a Knick. Having him as the “future” of your franchise? Shudder. And it shows you how insidious “pointz” can be, as the Mavs’ Twitter account was hyping Barnes like crazy during the game for all of his points! 8 for 17, shitty defense, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 turnovers and only two threes attempted (he missed both).

    So Phil Jackson appears to have picked a fight with LeBron James, because why not?

    Also, this whole “posse” controversy is silly. Was it a dumb use of the word by Jackson? Of course. Should he not say that about Lebron’s friends? Of course. But come on, Lebron, people can fuck up without you having to “lose respect” for them. People make mistakes. It’s when the mistakes become systematic that it is a problem (or if the mistake was so big that it is, in and of itself, proof of a systematic issue, like if Jackson used the N word or something like that). I don’t think Jackson referring to Lebron’s friends as a “posse” is enough. It was a mistake by Jackson, but not something to freak out about. Just a simple, “Hey, Phil, don’t do that anymore.”

    ETA: Ha! I was writing mine when thenoblefacehumper posted his comment. Oops!

    I think people can reasonably disagree as to whether the comment was racially tinged (personally I don’t think it’s the word Phil Jackson uses when he talks about Sasha Vujacic’s group of friends), but the entire comment was unambiguously negative regardless. I just don’t understand why the hell you would unprovokedly throw shade at LeBron James through the media. As a god damn executive no less! Who has built a team entirely centered around the pie in the sky possibility that one of LeBron’s good friends signs with you!

    Eh, if that was the only comment in the piece you could convince me it’s just a bad choice of words by Phil, but he was clearly taking potshots throughout the piece. Took shots at Riley, Conley and Thibs as well. Now why he’s throwing random jabs around the league in an interview in the first place? I have no earthly idea.

    Oh sure, Jackson was being a dick in general, which was bad (and quite common for him). Just saying that that “posse” line was not as big of a deal.

    Who cares? It’s not like Lebron was coming to the Knicks.

    Lebron is pretty connected, and Rich Paul (one of the “posse”) is an agent with a bunch of good clients, not just Lebron. It’s not a huge deal, but pissing off other people you might want to do business with in the future, or who are friends with people you might want to do business with in the future for literally no benefit isn’t a particularly clever move.

    Not a big deal unless you think it’s just a code word to use in place of the N-word. I am not saying Phil meant it that way but some could get the wrong impression obviously.

    However, when you tweet the historical definition of the word like Mavrick did I am not sure what you are trying to prove. Are you really offended because posse means a group of men with Guns empowered by the sherrif to enforce the law. Is enforcing the law bad?

    Phil is a very passive-aggressive individual, loves to throw shade. I think that’s pretty lame coming from this guy who is supposed to be this enlightened, wise, Zen-tastic Buddha type character.

    Posse = entourage. We all know what it means. NBA players use it all the time in a non-derogatory way. The word doesn’t automatically become derogatory because an old white man used it to relate a second hand story. If it was the n- word I would feel the opposite because that word has major negative racial connotations, but Lebron is just playing this card in the media as an FU to Phil for calling out his specialized treatment for all to see in public.

    Never mind the word “posse,” what the hell is Phil doing telling these catty stories about LeBron wanting to stay overnight in Cleveland and Erik Spoelstra texting Pat Riley asking him what to do and all of this nonsense? That shit is just embarrassing. The guy can be very petty.

    I’m more concerned with him handing out 4 year deals to dudes who are under performing what we hoped for in year one.

    I think its funny that Phil calls out this behavior. He was probably just shooting the shit with a reporter and started to just fire off about whatever came to his mind. The most interesting aspect of this is that Lebron made a bigger deal of this by getting his panties in a bunch. Shit would have died right there. Now we can talk about it for weeks.

    More proof that today’s NBA is softer than shit.

    Did Jerian Grant even play last night?

    He’s played 45 minutes so far this year. Some people think that’s a good sample size. lmao Seriously, he has played well other than his continuing issues with shooting. But the sample size is way too small to see if he has made any progress since last year.

    If Jerian read KB he’d be so confused as to why he doesn’t get the “just wait 3500 minutes + 20 games” treatment

    Phil reminds me of an Asbergers patient with no filter (like my brother). James is just an ass wipe for turning nothing into something bad.

    More proof that today’s NBA is softer than shit.

    I am 57 years old. I was the least tough guy from everyone I grew up with. My generation was soft as tissue compared to father’s generation. I am like Audie Murphy compared to the kids today.

    Idk between Phil’s total inability to stfu when the situation is appropriate and his smirking and chuckling when talking about one of his marquee free agent’s rape trial it’s pretty clear the he’s an enormous prick.

    Posse wasn’t the right word and he should clarify as such. Posse is used derogatorially to describe black people in the hood, just like the word thug is. Not saying that Phil intended it that way, but he should just make a quick statement and say “group, not posse, sorry.”

    Um, but doesn’t the fact that Grant has only played 45 minutes this year signal that he hasn’t made much progress?

    I’m sure it’s just a case of black people being tired of getting called racially charged terms whether by ignorance or malice. Overreaction on Lebron’s/Maverick’s part or no, I’m sure it’s tedious to have to deal with that shit on the regular (which black people–particularly black men–have to do.)

    Really?!!? I don’t know what is more pathetic the mock over a word that is an apt description (group of friends typically male, co-opted from western cowboy era lingo by rappers circa 1980s) or the gossipy comments in general.

    In general people need to get over themselves and maybe concern themselves with not sucking so much rather than other people or what they can, might or will do to/for them.

    I have looked up the word posse in urbandictionary.com. In not one definition I can find is the word ever been used in a derogatory manner. In fact, the word is often used in a positive manner as it was when I was growing up to describe a group of friends who have your back in fight. Its really amazing to me that a word becomes problematic because an old white man uses a word to describe a group of black men. Its this type of bullsh-t overreaction to every slangword that has created the anti-PC backlash among alt-right twats who support Donald Trump.

    Nobody remembers when LeBron was being a complete dick at the championship parade? Making fun of Phil Jackson for trading him JR and Shump? I remember and I’m certain Phil Jackson got wind of it. As far as I’m concerned Phil owed LeBron one.

    @ 48

    I was thinking about that song when I first saw this too.

    “Me and Kid Sensation at home away from home
    In the black benz limo with tha cellular phone
    I’m callin up my posse its time to get rippin
    I’m freakin each sunroof to keep you suckas trippin…”

    I am 57 years old. I was the least tough guy from everyone I grew up with. My generation was soft as tissue compared to father’s generation. I am like Audie Murphy compared to the kids today.

    You can see it in the NBA today. I would have loved to have seen Lebron go up against the 1990s Knicks under NBA officiating of that time. He would get his points no doubt. But he would pay dearly for each everyone of them.

    Um, but doesn’t the fact that Grant has only played 45 minutes this year signal that he hasn’t made much progress?

    Well, he’s clearly not going to play ahead of Rondo and Isaiah Canaan is playing quite well this year. Tim Hardaway wasn’t dressing at this time last year and everyone was talking about how we stole Grant when we traded Hardaway for him. Now Hardaway has a significant role off the bench is not so bad. So I think we don’t know anything yet.

    And the only reason LeBron is so offended is because if the image gets out that LeBron’s guys manipulate the NBA he can take another blow to his image like he did when his posse rearranged the Miami Heat in 2010. Man, screw LeBron and his posse.

    Urban dictionary:

    posse
    your crew, your hommies, a group of friends, people who may or may not have your back
    me an’ my posse gonna hang tonite

    Maverick Carter (LeBron pal that tweeted last night):

    “All the hard work, effort and achievement and @PhilJackson11 still calls us a ‘posse,'” read the tweet, which also included a screenshot of the definition of posse. “Every step you take they remind you, you ghetto.”

    Look. It really is stupid. This doesn’t sway my opinions an inch.

    I have never heard the word Posse used by my friends or anyone for that matter.

    Lebron race baiting is some BS.

    Don’t forget that Lebron was trashing Phil and the Knicks in his championship speech.

    As a lefty socialist Hispanic I can honestly say Lebum has pulled out a page from Hillary’s playbook. All you have to do to distract from your own issues is to call someone out for using a disparaging term of discrimination against you. It will divert attention to your subordinate status and make people forget you’re really a problematic diva.

    James is a total ass wipe. We should all lose respect for him after this. I know I have.

    He knows full well that Jackson is as liberal as they come and racism or intentionally using a term with racial overtones is an absolute impossibility. I have never read, heard, or considered that term to be racially charged. It’s always a reference to your “friends” like “click”, buds”, boys”, “crew” etc…

    Maybe Jackson shouldn’t have taken a pot shot at him by saying he needs special treatment, but turning this into a racial incident when it clear is not, is reprehensible. It terrible, especially given already high tensions in the air.

    Maverick Carter (LeBron pal that tweeted last night):
    “All the hard work, effort and achievement and @PhilJackson11 still calls us a ‘posse,’” read the tweet, which also included a screenshot of the definition of posse. “Every step you take they remind you, you ghetto.

    If this is his actual quote it is unintentionally ironic.

    James is a total ass wipe. We should all lose respect for him after this. I know I have.

    He knows full well that Jackson is as liberal as they come and racism or intentionally using a term with racial overtones is an absolute impossibility.

    There are racist white liberals too. smh

    Speaking as a black man I can say that even the most liberal of white people can make racially insensitive statements. That being said, LeBron James and Maverick Carter need to go somewhere with this nonsense. He used the word “posse,” not gang, crew, squad, homies, etc. Posse is a race neutral word.

    I have looked up the word posse in urbandictionary.com.

    And why the fuck would you do that? The NBA is a professional league no?

    Speaking as a black man I can say that even the most liberal of white people can make racially insensitive statements. That being said, LeBron James and Maverick Carter need to go somewhere with this nonsense. He used the word “posse,” not gang, crew, squad, homies, etc. Posse is a race neutral word.

    I agree that it was an overreaction. However the dismissal is an under reaction to Phil being a dick.

    I agree that it was an overreaction. However the dismissal is an under reaction to Phil being a dick.

    Yep. Phil was wrong to use the word, and Lebron was wrong to get so upset over it. But at the end of the day, Phil shouldn’t have used the term and I hope that he gets that.

    I think what Phil was doing here (and I agree that it isn’t his place to do it), was downplay the people involved in LeBron’s decision making circle. LeBron’s mother and group of associates should have nothing to do with what the Miami Heat organization do. They want to stay back? Fine; they don’t play for the team but LeBron James does and he has a responsibility to be with the team that pays him 8 figures a year. It doesn’t matter what LeBron’s associates think.

    yo stratomatic – that’s funny as hell:

    I am 57 years old. I was the least tough guy from everyone I grew up with. My generation was soft as tissue compared to father’s generation. I am like Audie Murphy compared to the kids today.

    geez…i must be an old weezer too – cuz, i actually used to watch some of those movies growing up…

    @37…to be honest – i don’t really get that either…since i’ve been aware of jackson (bulls in the 90’s) – he’s always seemed like a dick…

    Phil is a very passive-aggressive individual, loves to throw shade. I think that’s pretty lame coming from this guy who is supposed to be this enlightened, wise, Zen-tastic Buddha type character.

    zen and being a dick – don’t seem to quite mesh…

    It had to hurt when they lost LeBron. That was definitely a slap in the face. But there were a lot of little things that came out of that. When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland and he wanted to spend the night. They don’t do overnights. Teams just don’t. So now (coach Erik) Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, ‘What do I do in this situation?’ And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, ‘You are on the plane, you are with this team.’ You can’t hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your [group of friends and/or associates] want to spend an extra night in Cleveland. I always thought Pat had this really nice vibe with his guys. But something happened there where it broke down. I do know LeBron likes special treatment. He needs things his way.

    I just removed “posse” from Phil’s full comment. Lo and behold, it’s still an totally unnecessary potshot at one of the most well-respected athletes (like it or not!) in professional sports, presumably based on hearsay. Why the hell you would do that as an executive is beyond me. I don’t care if LeBron may have implied that Phil was too dismissive of J.R. and Shumpert (whose dirty laundry Phil also aired for no discernible reason, by the way)! He’s LeBron James! He has people lining up to take multimillion dollar pay cuts to join his team. As an executive, you wish him the best and move on with your life.

    Like Silky said, black men get referred to with casually racist rhetoric so frequently (especially in this clusterfuck of a year) that it makes sense that LeBron would be hyper sensitive to a septuagenarian white guy going on an unprovoked screed about him and his friends. That Phil even opened the door to the possibility is absurdly dumb on his part.

    https://theringer.com/pat-riley-gets-what-he-wants-undeniables-bill-simmons-4064cf607e42#.269e52r2w
    Here’s a story about the way Riley methodically builds relationships. Phil could learn a thing or a million.

    What I think a lot of people are missing is that the guys Jackson described as Lebron’s”posse” aren’t just his friends. Rich Paul is his agent. He’s also the agent for a number of other significant NBA players. Maverick Carter is his business manager. From what I understand he runs a bunch of business ventures in the Cleveland area and negotiated Lebron’s $1bn Nike deal. Phil portraying it as though those guys are basically just hangers-on (which a lot of commenters here seem to be going along with) is what I think they were taking umbrage to, not whether or not a group of friends should be called a posse. I don’t think you would ever hear a player meeting with his agent and his business manager called a “posse” if the agent and business manager looked like most agents and business managers look.

    There are racist white liberals too. smh

    I agree.

    However, if we didn’t all know something about Phil Jackson’s politics, his relationships with former black teammates, his relationships with former black players, his relationships with current players etc… you might have a point. But accusing Jackson of racism is like accusing Trump of being overly sensitive towards the feelings of Mexicans. He 100% for certain thought he was using a word that meant “friends” and “business associates”. That’s what makes this ridiculous. Everyone with an even semi functional brain should understand this, including James. If somewhere on the streets that term has suddenly gained a new meaning that 99.99% of America does not know about, then a simple note to Jackson explaining it to him and the rest of us would have been helpful. But James did this specifically as a pay back for Jackson’s comments about him needing special treatment. To even hint at racism and potentially cause unwarranted significant grief is not acceptable. It won’t happen in this case because we all know it’s not true, but you could destroy someone life that way. I’m calling BS on this. James is way out of line PERIOD!

    You know, it’s quite possible that if the context of the quote wasn’t Jackson trashing LeBron and saying he and his friends are bunch of divas, LeBron would have viewed his word choice with less malice. Just a thought.

    I don’t really care about Lebrons reaction one way or the other. I just want our gm to be kore circumspect in his language for his sanity, my sanity, and so as to avoid making the Knicks look as dysfunctional as possible

    The only thing we know for sure is that possegate is unlikely to hurt Phil’s presidential run in 2020.

    And why the fuck would you do that? The NBA is a professional league no?

    Um, because “posse” is a slang word and urbandictionary.com is the most comprehensive online site for contemporary slang. Its like the equivalent of Wikipedia for informal vernacular you won’t find in a normal dictionary.

    Jesus, the internet is full of overreaction.

    “I have looked up the word posse in urbandictionary.com.”
    And why the fuck would you do that? The NBA is a professional league no?

    I looked it up because Maverick Carter’s tweet quoted the dictionary. The urban dictionary is about colloquial word usage. Webster may define something one way but the way it lands can be completely different. Take this, for example: https://youtu.be/KPkBG-mymAE

    This whole debate is so much ado about nothing and plays so perfectly into Lebum’s hands. Posse isn’t thug. A thug is an inherently negative word.

    Implicit bias, stratomatic. Racism can be racism without intent.

    Intent is critical to how you should react. Even under the FALSE premise that this is a racist term, since we would know he did not have racist intent, then all you have to do is send a note telling him and about 300 million other Americans that they shouldn’t use that term anymore. You do not throw a match on gasoline and potentially set a innocent man who made a mistake on fire.

    If you remember back a year or two ago Jackson unknowingly used a term that had some kind of sexual connotation to it (can’t remember what it was). The point was made to him nicely and that was the end of it. That would be the correct way to handle his ignorance in this case assuming this was actually a racist term – which it is not.

    When I have to work late sometimes, my girlfriend tells me she’s going to hang out with her posse. I’l have to let her know that middle aged women from Long Island are not a posse. 🙂

    I looked it up because Maverick Carter’s tweet quoted the dictionary. The urban dictionary is about colloquial word usage. Webster may define something one way but the way it lands can be completely different. Take this, for example

    Which is why intent is key. Its clear Phil is using the word in a specific meaning – a group of friends who have your back.

    Yeesh. Race baiting, safe spaces, urban dictionary, Hillary’s playbook? I’ve been lurking/reading this site almost daily for years, and this is the first time I’ve been compelled to create an account to chime in.

    There’s nothing wrong with calling out Phil. Given the racial makeup of the NBA and the power dynamics viz a viz the (black) players and (white) management, Phil used a poor choice of words. He was unnecessarily discussing Pat’s inability to rein in LeBron and was, at best, inartful in doing so. Maverick is probably upset that the attack was unprovoked and probably assumed Phil knew the implications given Phil’s reputation of being a thoughtful guy who deliberately shapes his comments. Phil should just clarify what he meant or apologize if he is contrite.

    Regarding the general discussion of race, all I’ll say is that it’s a bit ridiculous to tell LeBron or his friends how to feel. Like other people mentioned, the language isn’t the only problem here. The remarks generally do not give LeBron’s associates enough respect. Given their successes in their respective fields, I think it’s unfortunate that the thrust of Phil’s statements is that LeBron wants to chill with his hanger-ons. I’m sure each of them has had to deal with belittlement as they broke down barriers and reached these points of their careers. This is certainly an understandably upsetting issue for them.

    Also, discussing the racial implications of Phil’s comments and describing how it made then feel is not race baiting. Maverick explicitly denied that he was accusing Phil of being a racist. Instead, he’s correctly pointing out that one doesn’t have to be “racist” to say harmful, racially insensitive things. If LeBron lost respect for Phil and if Maverick is upset, that’s their prerogative. Who are we to disagree? They are simply bringing to light the uncomfortable truth that some situations are fraught in American society and that words have consequences.

    Meanwhile, the NBA is a league where the N-word is passed around among players on the basketball court in front of courside children like its “man” and not one of Lebron’s posse has shit to say about it. The double standard is so moronic in its hypocrisy I actually hope Lebron and Maverick are being facetious here for their own sakes.

    However, if we didn’t all know something about Phil Jackson’s politics, his relationships with former black teammates, his relationships with former black players, his relationships with current players etc… you might have a point.

    Ah the old “Phil Jackson can’t be racist. Ask his black friends!” defense. Had that one on my race discussions bingo card. The idea that Lebron could “ruin Phil Jackson’s life” by taking offense to a statement that Jackson obviously offended to give offense is so silly I don’t even really know what to say about it.

    Meanwhile, the NBA is a league where the N-word is passed around among players on the basketball court in front of courside children like its “man” and not one of Lebron’s posse has shit to say about it. The double standard is so moronic in its hypocrisy I actually hope Lebron and Maverick are being facetious here for their own sakes.

    Oh man. “Black people can say the n-word but white people can’t! Outrage! Hypocrisy!” That’s my bingo! Tell us about black on black crime man.

    If LeBron lost respect for Phil and if Maverick is upset, that’s their prerogative. Who are we to disagree?

    And some of us are entitled to lose even more respect for James and Carter for unnecessarily putting racial undertones into a discussion just to get back at him for saying Jame requires special treatment.

    Anyway, on the subject of actual basketball. Phil made some very interesting comments on KP.

    Kris is going to shine because he’s just that good. What I really want to see him do is develop his game. He’s an exceptional shooter and his size is unique. It changes the game in many ways. But he needs to learn how to use his size appropriately in different ways because teams will switch and defend with smaller players. With his back to the basket, he hasn’t learned how to do all the positioning and to hold his space. He needs to catch and shoot without bringing the ball down in an area where smaller players can grab it.

    It looks like Kris took his critiques to heart because he definitely used his body size in the post in the Dallas game. I loved to see him keep that ball high and away from the defender.

    You know, it’s quite possible that if the context of the quote wasn’t Jackson trashing LeBron and saying he and his friends are bunch of divas, LeBron would have viewed his word choice with less malice. Just a thought.

    Agree with this 100%. Why does Phil need to throw shade like this? It’s just so immature and it makes him look terrible. The guy was a great coach but sometimes he acts like a real tool.

    How do you think comments like this make the players on the Knicks feel, some of whom are good friends with LeBron? Do you think that makes those guys trust that Phil isn’t going to talk shit about them to the media someday? I know that I sure as hell wouldn’t trust the guy. Here’s what Melo said: “I just don’t understand him talking about LeBron right now, in November. I don’t understand that.” Melo also made clear that he found the word “posse” offensive. This is just not how a disciplined executive acts.

    Man, fuck Phil. Guy fucking sucks. Sorry fanbois.

    Oh man. “Black people can say the n-word but white people can’t! Outrage! Hypocrisy!” That’s my bingo! Tell us about black on black crime man.

    I personally don’t think anyone should say that word, but this is besides my point which is that if you’re going to get triggered over some white dude calling your entourage a “posse” you better check your own damn self and every other person in the NBA who uses waaaaaay more racially coded language on court or else be exposed for the hypocrite you are.

    I want to understand the mentality of a group of people who take umbrage with posse as racially coded when its pointed at them while saying nothing about the other racially coded sh-t said throughout NBA courts around the USA.

    Ah the old “Phil Jackson can’t be racist. Ask his black friends!” defense. Had that one on my race discussions bingo card. The idea that Lebron could “ruin Phil Jackson’s life” by taking offense to a statement that Jackson obviously offended to give offense is so silly I don’t even really know what to say about it.

    Dude, I specifically said nothing would come of this because only the semi conscious among us believe Jackson is a racist. That’s not the point. The point is not to play with fire around gasoline because some people have been destroyed over their ignorance or an honest mistake. Furthermore, I think when you have dozens of friendships with blacks that have lasted decades, if there was even a whiff of racism, I’m pretty sure they would have noticed. So that is strong evidence.

    You know, I get the concept of trying to fuck with guys’ heads in the media during like a hotly contested playoff series or something. Phil used to do that shit all the time as a coach and I’ll be damned if it didn’t work because the main team he used to do it against was the Knicks. But this is not that.

    Dude, I specifically said nothing would come of this because only the semi conscious among us believe Jackson is a racist. That’s not the point. The point is not to play with fire around gasoline because some people have been destroyed over their ignorance or an honest mistake.

    My man, Donald Trump is the president. Being accused of making a racially insensitive remark (or even being a flagrant racist) is not ruining a rich white guy’s day, let alone his life.

    stratomatic,

    It’s sad that you think that the only reason why Carter and LeBron are doing this is to get back at someone for insulting them. This might be surprising, but racial undertones are just that, undertones. They underlie conversations and interactions in America because of our shitty history with race relations (which is a generous way to describe our past). It’s not on LeBron and Maverick to politely inform Phil that what he said looks, smells, and feels like a microaggression. Like I mentioned earlier, Phil can easily clarify what he meant or apologize if he feels sorry. I can’t understand why the burden would be on LeBron and Maverick to hold Phil’s hand and protect him when Phil was the aggressor (either racially, or otherwise).

    @93 Everyone seems to throw it low to him by my eye. It would be great if we could draft a PG to grow and develop alongside him.

    No Knicks Lead is Safe,

    It’s sad that you think that the only reason why Carter and LeBron are doing this is to get back at someone for insulting them.

    I don’t think it. I know it.

    That term is routinely used by both blacks and whites to describe friends and associates in a positive way. No one I know has ever considered it a racist or demeaning term or as having any racial undertones like “thug” or terms like that. If it is in some way demeaning or racist and you know there was no racist intent, the correct way for a mature person to respond is to politely inform that person (and the 300 million other Americans that didn’t know).

    The tone of the response was not “You know Phil, I know you didn’t mean anything by it, but using that term about my very successful friends could be taken as demeaning or even racist”.

    Instead he attacked Phil and turned it totally into a race thing. Carter’s comments were way more measured. The reason he attacked was because Phil said something negative about him first. There’s zero doubt in my mind that he played the race card and I have no respect for that.

    I have no problem with him responding to Phil’s idiotic comment about another player. I have a problem with him turning into a racial thing and blowing it up when everyone on God’s green earth with even half a brain knows that Phil would never do something like that intentionally.

    I have a problem with him turning into a racial thing and blowing it up when everyone on God’s green earth with even half a brain knows that Phil would never do something like that intentionally.

    It’s weird that the “everyone” that knows that doesn’t include Carmelo isn’t it? I assume you’ve lost a lot of respect for him as well.
    “Do I think he meant it any kind of way? I really don’t know. I don’t think he did. I would hope that he didn’t.”

    @104 I dont think it’s a race thing in the direct way. Someone said the word above. It’s a microagression. Calling businessmen a “posse” would not happen to a white athlete and his associates. I doubt Phil meant to be ignorant but he was.

    If we’re judging by small samples, between No Knicks Lead Is Safe’s username and his first couple of posts, he’s got a promising future on this board.

    Now let’s dispense with frivolous things like white supremacy and get to the hard hitting issues of our time: No Knicks, what do you think of the Derrick Rose trade?

    @93 Everyone seems to throw it low to him by my eye. It would be great if we could draft a PG to grow and develop alongside him.

    I know exactly what you mean. I am wondering about London Parrantes and Monte Morris.

    It’s weird that the “everyone” that knows that doesn’t include Carmelo isn’t it? I assume you’ve lost a lot of respect for him as well.
    “Do I think he meant it any kind of way? I really don’t know. I don’t think he did. I would hope that he didn’t.”

    Melo is between a rock and hard place. James is his very good friend and Phil is his boss. But yes, I did lose a little respect. If I was Melo I would have said “Everything I know about Phil suggests he has no racist feelings and did not mean to demean James or his friends, but perhaps he could have used a better word to describe very successful men”.

    @stratomatic

    Wow. You “know” that LeBron James, a man that has been extremely careful about what off-court battles he will wage, is intentionally using race to “attack” Phil? Do you lack empathy? You don’t think it’s possible that they are legitimately upset with that word choice? Even if we were to assume that posse has no racial connotation, I still ask that you acknowledge that it’s a disrespectful way to describe the partners to his company. Would Phil have used the same word for Kyle Korver? We’ll never know for sure, but the fact that it isn’t 100% certain suggests that there are harmful things at play, even if unintentional. And by the way, Phil may not have intentionally invoked racial language, but he did intentionally attack LeBron. You’re asking way too much of any person to get attacked, legitimately wonder if it’s racially tinged, and then turn around and politely inform the aggressor of the ambiguity.

    Wow that was a stupid post stratomatic. People have lived Next to serial killers and have not known. How in the hell would Melo know if Jackson is racist?

    @104 I dont think it’s a race thing in the direct way. Someone said the word above. It’s a microagression. Calling businessmen a “posse” would not happen to a white athlete and his associates. I doubt Phil meant to be ignorant but he was.

    I understand this point, but “posse” IS USED to describe white people and their business associates/friends. It simply IS. I’ve heard it used in business at meetings with upper management.

    Carter had a much more measured response.

    In the article in the NY Times describing James’ response he was clearly calling it racist.

    I’m going to stop on this now. I am 100% confident that I understand both sides, what Phil did wrong, and what James did wrong.

    I type too slowly. Thanks for the kind welcome er.

    Great point with the white player counterfactual. I was thinking of the same thing with my Kyle Korver example.

    Intent is critical to how you should react. Even under the FALSE premise that this is a racist term, since we would know he did not have racist intent, then all you have to do is send a note telling him and about 300 million other Americans that they shouldn’t use that term anymore. You do not throw a match on gasoline and potentially set a innocent man who made a mistake on fire.

    You’re failing to understand that intent is not an essential component of racism, i.e. an act can be racist whether you meant for it to be or not.

    I’m not saying that Jackson should be fired for this — he should be fired for gross incompetence — but acting like a white man calling a group of black businessmen a “posse” is devoid of racially-biased implication: totally fucking unhinged.

    @109

    Haha thanks. I wasn’t a fan, but I think it’s a good idea to wait 20 games to say anything more. While I’d love to discuss that, whether I believed Bargnani needed a new environment, and No Trade Clauses, I’m afraid I’ve touched on enough controversial topics for one day, let alone my first.

    The evolution of Phil’s thought on KP’s size is very interesting to follow. Just a little over a year ago Phil publicly worried the kid would be too tall to succeed in the NBA, comparing his high center of gravity to Sean Bradley’s. Now, not only is Phil convinced the kid is “going to shine because he’s just that good,” but he’s focusing on how KP should maximize his height advantage going forward. I suppose both statements are two sides of the same coin – Phil wants KP to figure out how to deal with his unique body type. But I do find the differences in the messaging to be insightful about his thinking about KP.

    You’re failing to understand that intent is not an essential component of racism, i.e. an act can be racist whether you meant for it to be or not.

    I am curious now. By this standard you outlined the NBA is the most racist league in the US with how much the n-word is used on the NBA court. Since it doesn’t matter how anyone intends to use language, just saying the n-word is racist since its definitely a loaded word.

    Significant historical and ethical difference between “nigg-a” and the hard -er ending. Everyone in the NBA uses the former.

    Intention ought to be considered when we’re discussing how much blame and opprobrium ought to be apportioned (sometimes not even then.) That doesn’t mean it’s particularly relevant to whether or not an act is racist disregarding some *ahem* trumped up edge cases

    Wow Ras…..

    Anyone with twitter needs to check out Rachel Nichols. She has a quote from phil Jackson’s book referring to Lebrons “posse” when LBJ was 19.

    That’s what Phil thinks a posse is

    I can’t get it to copy and paste here but he basically said that Lebron has a posse to get his cars and his women

    Melo, Porzingis: 47.6 PPG, 580TS, 8.8 to %: 1.17 PPP!

    Hallelujah! Speaking of which – where do KP/Melo rank among the league’s most potent scoring duos? I would put them in the top 10 but some may not agree. Here is a quick list off the top of my head that isn’t ranked to specification…

    Durant/Curry
    Rosen/Lowry
    James/Irving
    Towns/Wiggins
    Paul/Griffin

    ….

    Who else?

    Significant historical and ethical difference between “nigg-a” and the hard -er ending. Everyone in the NBA uses the former.

    I am sure people in the NBA use posse too. And there’s no way posse has the same historical racial baggage as “nigga” – a very malleable word that can be used endearingly and disparagingly dependent upon context.

    Back to the Noah conversation.

    @DRed,

    “hits at a 30% rate, he needs to take it and charge in for the rebound. Either that, or he needs to drive and kick or get fouled.”

    The defense wants him to shoot-that’s why nobody bothers covering him. And they want him to shoot because he sucks at it and it’s a bad idea. Noah should not shoot the ball.

    I hate his shot. It’s like Tebow trying to throw a spiral; it ain’t happening. Still, if they’re daring you to shoot, you have to do it every so often. Noah’s career FG% on shots from 10-16ft is 39.1% (basketball-reference.com) which isn’t good but isn’t awful. He needs to make them play him or else it’s 4-on-5.

    @Ras

    I am sure people in the NBA use posse too. And there’s no way posse has the same historical racial baggage as “n*gga” – a very malleable word that can be used endearingly and disparagingly dependent upon context.

    You mention context but seem to ignore that context matters. Melo put it quite nicely here:

    “It’s different words that different people use in different ways,” the Knicks star said. “To some people, the word ‘posse’ might not mean anything. It might just be a word. To some other people it could be a derogatory statement. It all depends on who you mention it to and who you’re talking about in essence.”

    Just because people in the NBA might use the word posse doesn’t mean it’s okay in Phil’s case.

    Seriously, you think Phil’s 2004 quote talking about NBA player “posses” (entourages) is damning.

    LOL. Holy shit, freedom of expression in this world is going to hell.

    So Kyle Korver with his rootin’, tootin’ ramblin’ posse and LeBron James with his esteemed business associates walk into a bar…

    The word “garçon” means boy in French, but you are an asshole if you use it to address your waiter.

    Similarly, the word “posse” typically means a group of persons related by some common bond of kinship, but you are an asshole if you are a white man who uses it to refer to a black professional athlete’s business associates.

    If you don’t understand how context affects meaning, I’m afraid we might have to end this discussion.

    Just because people in the NBA might use the word posse doesn’t mean it’s okay in Phil’s case.

    So why isn’t it okay in Phil’s case? Explain to me how he’s racially insensitive for using a prevalent word, in the right context, and in the accurate way? Because he’s an old white man? And yet “nigga” and “bitch” are thrown around an NBA court like greetings. Oh the hypocrisy.

    On the word “intent”.

    Without going into too many details about work, this word comes up as part of a big leadership initiative we are undertaking at my office. The lesson being taught to us is that “it doesn’t matter what the INTENTION was, what matters is the IMPACT it has”. This comes up all the time when someone says something that’s taken wrong. In other words, what we’re being taught is that the responsibility is on the person that’s delivering the message, not on the recipient. Much like the turn-over is the passer’s responsibility, not the person that should have caught the pass.

    Just food for thought.

    Back to basketball now.

    They are better than Towns/Wiggins

    Would you rank them ahead of Leonard/Aldridge? How about Wade/Butler?

    The word “garçon” means boy in French, but you are an asshole if you use it to address your waiter. Similarly, the word “posse” typically means a group of persons related by some common bond of kinship, but you are an asshole if you are a white man who uses it to refer to a black professional athlete’s business associates.

    Wait a minute. Waiters in America don’t call each other “garcon.” Basketball players do refer to their entourages as posses. Allen Iverson’s entourage was called “Iverson’s posse” around the league without a tinge of racism added to the word.

    So basically, if you’re an old white man you need to be careful of what words you choose and should apologize to whomever you racially offended, regardless of accuracy or whether or not it was your intent, because the object of your insensitivity has the right to decide the context under which he or she can interpret your word.

    LOL.

    PS – Hey guys, you want to hear the latest Jay-Z song where he uses the N-word, bitch, and ho like around 1,000 times?

    Here’s the problem Ras: it was couched in an insult to begin with. It wasn’t just something that was pulled out of context, Phil was in the process of actively insulting LeBron James for no good goddamn reason other than that Phil Jackson is a jerk who likes to hear himself pontificate on things. So it blew up in his face, boo hoo for poor old persecuted Phil.

    So “posse” is now a racial insult? For real? What’s next, “dude?” LeBron really has a problem with that?

    How much of this is just general Phil Jackson hate such that some here will find any reason to rip him?

    At any rate, I think DRed said it…my problem with Phil is more along the lines of signing Noah to a 4 year deal rather than his silly comments tweaking public figures who should have a bit thicker skin.

    LOL. Holy shit, freedom of expression in this world is going to hell.

    Hey look, you also don’t know what “freedom of expression” means. I’m so surprised.

    Here’s the problem Ras: it was couched in an insult to begin with. It wasn’t just something that was pulled out of context, Phil was in the process of actively insulting LeBron James for no good goddamn reason other than that Phil Jackson is a jerk who likes to hear himself pontificate on things. So it blew up in his face, boo hoo for poor old persecuted Phil.

    I have no problem with calling Phil out for his mind games. But we shouldn’t conflate assholery with racism, especially when someone uses racial indignation as weapon to discredit a critic.

    Hey look, you also don’t know what “freedom of expression” means. I’m so surprised.

    LOL. If you can’t understand the context of how I’m using the term our discussion is truly over.

    Still, if they’re daring you to shoot, you have to do it every so often. Noah’s career FG% on shots from 10-16ft is 39.1% (basketball-reference.com) which isn’t good but isn’t awful. He needs to make them play him or else it’s 4-on-5.

    They’re daring Noah to shoot because they think he can’t make enough shots to punish them. The problem is they might be right. If Noah is going to only hit 40% of his shots other teams are going to keep daring him to take them. The worst offense in the NBA last year (Philly) scored 93 points per 100 possessions. Possessions that end in the other team scoring 2 points only 40% of the time are great for a defense.

    I couldn’t disagree more regarding whether intent matters when someone says something that is perceived as racist. Example — two weeks ago, I used the term “Shanghaied” at work. An Asian American co-worker told me that she found the phrase offensive. Was I being “racist?” No, not at all, because I had no idea whatsoever that it was an offensive term.

    At any rate, I think DRed said it…my problem with Phil is more along the lines of signing Noah to a 4 year deal rather than his silly comments tweaking public figures who should have a bit thicker skin.

    But there’s just no reason to go in the press and call LeBron James a diva. It doesn’t convey an air of professionalism and it makes Phil look petty and small. It makes him look like someone who can’t be trusted. And maybe all of that wouldn’t matter, but Phil’s whole strategy here is to lure big-ticket free agents. He should be creating an atmosphere where everybody wants to come and play, and instead he’s out there insulting the finest player of his generation for no apparent reason.

    There’s just no reason for him to go off running his mouth like that. It’s a bad look. It hurts the team.

    noah’s offensive collapse is the beginning of the end… similar things happened to ben wallace since his athleticism went south to even be efficient under the basket…

    This isn’t the first time Phil Jackson has needlessly trashed someone through the media. He relayed details about J.R. Smith’s personal life that were presumably told to him in confidence. He bitched about Shumpert’s personality. He even did it to poor Shane Larkin. Now he’s coming at The King. Maybe you agree with him, maybe you don’t. That’s not the point. Who do you think other players and agents are going to side with, their fellow players or the old triangle guy? It’s a habit of his that comes with exactly zero potential benefits and a lot of potential detriment. It doesn’t help matters that his record as an executive is already shitty.

    https://theringer.com/pat-riley-gets-what-he-wants-undeniables-bill-simmons-4064cf607e42#.269e52r2w

    Read this. Pat Riley meticulously builds relationships with everyone in the game. He’s probably a genuinely nicer guy than Phil Jackson, but it’s also helped him a ton along the way. Can someone make a case for why taking the exact opposite approach (burning as many bridges as possible) is anything but an awful idea?

    I couldn’t disagree more regarding whether intent matters when someone says something that is perceived as racist. Example — two weeks ago, I used the term “Shanghaied” at work. An Asian American co-worker told me that she found the phrase offensive. Was I being “racist?” No, not at all, because I had no idea whatsoever that it was an offensive term.

    It doesn’t matter if you disagree. You’re just offended that someone called you out for using an inappropriate term. Now you know. Stop using it.

    Wow! Some of you will do anything to avoid talking about how the Knicks kicked ass last night.

    What Phil Jackson said was absolutely condescending and, when looked at further, racially charged. It’s true; we wouldn’t call Kevin Love’s friends and business associates a posse. This is so stupid.

    i know everyone is getting ready to shut it down for the night – but, just wanted to add…

    When I have to work late sometimes, my girlfriend tells me she’s going to hang out with her posse. I’l have to let her know that middle aged women from Long Island are not a posse. 🙂

    hmmmmmm, how you know her and the girls ain’t going out to handle their bizzness and tune some disrespectful mothafucka’s up…sorry, couldn’t resist…

    hey No Knicks Lead Is Safe – what the heck took you so long to get your feet wet and jump into the pool?

    What is stupid is that Phil is taking shots at players and management of other teams without any provocation. I don’t have much of an opinion on the words he chose, he lost me at hello.

    The Noah deal is looking extremely bad right now. It is unbelievable that he simply has become unable to shoot. For 7 years, he never had a TS% of less than .531. Wtf???

    I wouldn’t mind so much if Phil got canned, except for the ol’ “the devil you know…” thing. I mean, would Dolan bring Isiah in to replace him?

    But for his own sake, Phil really should retire before he becomes a laughing stock or worse. There’s absolutely no path to serious contention in the next 2-3 years that I can see. Not with a broken down Noah eating up 20% of the cap.

    I should qualify this by saying that it’s early and maybe Noah comes around some. But right now, it looks bad.

    Joakim Noah at this stage in his career is like a better passing version of Ben Wallace. Once the defense comes back you’re talking about one hell of a player.

    Noah is rebounding above his career average and finishing better at the rim than he has the last two seasons.

    He, like Rose, simply cannot make a jump shot to save his life. If both of their shooting regresses some that will be a big lift.

    Noah also has a superb 3.2 BPM, which would typically put a player in the top 15-20, and is where he consistently finds himself.

    Noah’s made 19 baskets, I’m not sure we can take too much from that other than it’s heartening that he isn’t as cartoonishly awful around the rim as he was last season.

    Noah is also not on the floor much, which obviously severely limits his impact. At 23 minutes per game he’s a glorified bench player.

    I thought the Knicks played really good defense most of the night, finally scrambling in their rotations. Yes, Dallas made things easier, but that’s a great sign.

    I listened to the recent Dunc’d on Basketball “15 in 60 Eastern Conference” yesterday. Boy, are they down on the Knicks. They are more negative than this blog, amazingly.

    Does it really matter to what degree Noah is a shadow of himself? He is not an impact player anymore and for that simple reason, his contract is nothing other than further proof of Jackson’s utter incompetence.

    Mediocrity is the ceiling for this clusterfuck called the NY Knicks.

    Thank you, Theo, for your thoughts on whether or not Noah has reached a meaningless performance level. How do you think his heart measures this year?

    Lots of fans reduced to neurotic little cratures looking for microscopic bits of statistical trivia that can be used as proof the team is not as bad as their own eyes tell them.

    i wouldn’t be so gloomy…. this year is going to suck but KP is turning into a legit superstar… we probably will end up with a pick in the top 10 or so…. and we have some cap space…

    the last step is to convince melo a trade for all involved and to send phil into retirement….

    Phil traded Calderon to make DRose his PG.

    Phil traded Lopez to sign Noah.

    But now he’s a racist.

    Against who? Hispanics?

    Does anyone know which type of exception the knick will have this summer? MLE, mMle, BAE, or RE?

    Does anyone know which type of exception the knick will have this summer? MLE, mMle, BAE, or RE?

    They’ll have the Room Exception only. Unless they re-sign Rose and give him a raise. Then they’d have the mid-level and the bi-annual and a shitty team.

    Wow Jerian Grant is leading the Bulls to a huge halftime lead in Portland

    I never understood coaches who are so obsessed with substitution patterns that when a starter goes out, they’d prefer to start the third-string point guard so that the second-string point guard stays in his normal role.

    Jerian Grant has a .35 TS% on the season and he still has a WS/48 orders of magnitude better than Rose

    He’s also +30 tonight

    Take that, H8ers!

    RE: “Posse”

    Yet again another case of trying to be too politically correct. I don’t know Phil personally, but I have no doubt that he was being candid and meant crew. I understand the social temperature, if you will, of today. And being a so called African American, there are definitely times where I’m sensitive to social issues. But, this thing with Phil is being blown way out of proportion. I’m not offended and nor should LeBron or anyone be. It’s not like Phil said “gang of thugs” or “pack of animals”. We have come too far as a nation to nitpick at posse. Now, Phil definitely should have kept his mouth shut about LeBron as it pertains to his relationship with the Miami Heat organization- in particular Pat Riley. Sometimes you can be too candid.

    I’m pretty sure the game Jerian has played tonight would be the best of Rose’s season so far

    @179 I would agree. I do t think he was being racist but it could be construed as such. He WAS being disrespectful tho….and I think that’s where it can be STRONGLY inferred that being a young group of black guys is the reason why.

    You guys can’t be serious with this grant thing. Portland has the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. His stats aren’t even spectacular. Don’t pull a muscle reaching so much fellas

    Jerian was better than Rose last year. Is it really so crazy to think he might also be better than him this year?

    Grant last year was better than Rose has been this year, and off the top of my head it’s hard to think of a Rose game this year that would’ve topped Grant’s performance tonight. The first thing I’m certain of, not so much willing to dig for the second.

    I didn’t like the Rose trade either, but the two recent posts are picking one-of examples that don’t serve anything. We knew Grant had potential, and tonight he showed something. But Holiday showed something the night before and has qualified for the rotation, so Grant for Holiday seems pretty even to me.

    Our offense is better this year and part of that is Rose, so I’m not longing for Grant. The big trouble is that Noah has looked bad and O’Quinn and Hernangomez are neither good enough to start at Center.

    Our offense is literally exactly the same this year (104.6/100 vs 104.7/100), and that’s with efficiency increases for Melo and Porzingis plus the addition of Lee. That would suggest Rose is actually bringing it down, as would his .485 TS%.

    I wasn’t expecting that given that previous posters have cited statistics that our offense is a good one relative to other teams this year. But those comments only applied to the starters, the bench has been bad. How do our starters compare to last years starters on offense?

    Man the Noah hate is full on now. This is comical. His contract could be bad but dang it’s less than 10 games into the season.

    Last year Lopez started out slow too. His stats the first month were bad and people were saying it was a bad signing. Then he got his chemistry up and running with KP and improved and by the end of the year he had put together a fantastic season.

    Noah will be fine. Just bc Horns saw a clear mismatch and decided to bench Noah for one half doesn’t mean he’s garbage.

    Maybe I don’t really want to be in New York. Perhaps I’m looking to get fired while staying fully “committed” to both the team and the triangle.

    Boy, when I saw the Chicago-Portland boxscore I came here because I knew someone was going to get their panties in a bunch about Jerian Grant.

    Noah is not a problem per se. He’s a problem because the defensive game plan is essentially flawed in having KP on the perimeter and him protecting the rim.

    He’s been a bad acquisition by a production per $ point of view, but he’s still a plus player (even if marginally so). Not the same can be said about Rose, who’s the best driving guard we had since… Jeremy Lin (lol) but who defends badly and turns the ball a lot, and also can’t hit an outside shot to save his life.

    But guys. If this year ends up with a KP steady on his feet while still growing as a player like he’s showing to do, it’s still a success. Just maximize his potential at the 5 and don’t resign Rose and this season is still good (trading Melo would be the best, but that won’t happen). Every other thing is icing on the cake.

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