2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Rockets

James Harden and the Houston Rockets come into the Garden to face the Knicks tonight in a game that should be very interesting to watch. Former Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni has a team that actually embraces his coaching philosophy, which means that they run – a lot. And shoot threes – a lot. However, like D’Antoni’s other famous teams, they also do not play much defense, although part of that is the fact that their starting backcourt is James Harden and Eric Gordon and their starting power forward is Ryan Anderson. All three players are poor defenders at this point in their respective careers.

The Rockets played (and lost) last night to the Cavaliers and Harden is playing on a bad ankle and Trevor Ariza (one of the few Rockets known for his defense) was injured via a head-to-head collision with Tristan Thompson, so we can only hope that the Rockets are a bit fatigued tonight. Sadly, Jeff Hornaceck thought that the Knicks looked fatigued last night, which makes no sense since their previous game was on Saturday and they made a point of reducing Joakim Noah’s minutes with the back-to-back in mind (always good to be managing a player’s minutes in year one of a four year deal). So I don’t know what’s up with that.

The Rockets’ defense is so bad that I’d like to believe that the Knicks would have a chance of winning this one by scoring a lot of points. Hopefully the Rockets don’t score a lot more than the Knicks.

Let’s go, Knicks!

188 replies on “2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Rockets”

One of Courtney Lee or Derrick Rose has to get a haircut or wear a different uniform or something

lol at Harden raking his forearms into the defenders face and whining about the no call.
Less funny is Ryan Anderson with two threes.

Harden fucking up our defense already-some dumb fouls.

Also don’t forget to guard Harden.

That would’ve been a nice charge draw by Rose if it wasn’t James Harden handling the ball

The defense has too many traffic cone impersonations or guys running out at shooters after they have already had time to set their feet.

As good as the Rockets are on offense, they’re almost just as bad on defense. Rose can pretty much get to the rim any time he wants.

I’m not getting a good feeling about this team.

Porzingis looks like he hasn’t developed much since last year.
Melo looks old and slow.
Noah can’t hit a bunny.
Lance looks like a vet’s min player.
Jennings looks like a d-leaguer.
Rose gets no assists.
The ball doesn’t move.
The defense is horrid.

Hmmf.

Rose still got that bounce.

Rockets offense is just clinical right now.

Instead of KP chasing guys on the perimeter maybe we should go zone.

League Pass PC still autopausing the video at every commercial break. I have to restart the video each time.

How is this even under review?

I think most swinging fouls with the fouled player grimacing get reviewed.

Rose would have slammed the ever living shit out the ball 5 years ago. She’s still really athletic in some ways, but he’s not an explosive leaper anymore.

No matter what happens tonight we’ll always have that Dekker trip and fail

O’Quinns biggest offensive move is standing still under the basket while waiting for the other team to frantically jump past him as if he’s going to dunk it

that sequence by the Rockets was hard to watch, this is NBA basketball dudes

Hornacek is losing me

These Knicks are losing me.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people will always blame the coach, when it’s the players who are actually on the court.

@43 so you think that was a good lineup to start the second ?

Also why do ppl bring up Belichexk and Pop?

@43 so you think that was a good lineup to start the second ?

I think this isn’t a video game and the players are more responsible for what happens on the court than the coach is.

@47 don’t be daft. Of course they are….but a good coach helps put the players in the position. You can’t win an NBA game with college players and a great coach duh

Harden’s very much better than anyone on the Knicks

While true, he’s a lot better than most NBA players.

About lineups, I think it is okay that Hornacek play a bunch of guys for a few games and try to see what’s what with this team, but then you have stuff like Kuz sitting, which is puzzling. And Sasha just is not going to help much against a team like Houston.

KP having one shot half through the second quarter is inexcusable

Also this D might be the worst in the league

The only time you really see a coaching change have an impact is if the new coach is an all-time great or if a star player is dogging it because he doesn’t like the coach. Firing D’Antoni spurred Melo. Firing Byron Scott spurred Kidd. Firing McHale spurred Harden.

@47 don’t be daft. Of course they are….but a good coach helps put the players in the position. You can’t win an NBA game with college players and a great coach duh

I’m not saying the coach doesn’t matter. I’m just saying what the players do matters more; considerably more. Jumping on the coach as scapegoat #1 every time the team isn’t playing well is just lazy.

There is nothing Hornacek can do with 12 scrubs and 3 mediocre starters.

They won’t lose all the games – but get used to this because this is what the roster yields. They have a cgance against Brooklyn next week.

Say what you will about MDA, this offense looks a lot better than ours totally independent of personnel.

It isn’t scapegoating. He has routinely played shit lineups. If you know you have no defense you can’t do that.

The good thing about playing Houston is that their style of play and their poor defense makes them easier to come back on.

You can’t say with any confidence what lineups are shit and what aren’t with a three game sample

I’m not a huge fan of the rotations so far either but come on

ER, agreed. But one would not expect a lineup with Thomas and Jennings to be offensively anemic and play swiss cheese defense.

It isn’t scapegoating. He has routinely played shit lineups

Why is it ok to say that we can’t judge the players yet because they haven’t had enough time to “gel”, yet it is ok to judge the coach for “routinely” doing something poorly when he’s had exactly the same amount of time to “gel” with his players?

FOr the love of gOD put in Baker and Kuz

Can’t be worse than what we currently have

Haha, that look from Rose after he was literally behind Harden on that PNR dunk.

ahahahahaha, this fuckin’ team man

I told Lady Jowles that I wouldn’t spend the whole season wishing I had gone and bet big money on the under… we’re 4 games in and I’m thinking that I’ve made a huge mistake.

Can’t wait for Billups and Rose to do the pre-game this friday because they’re going to be clowning.

Not entirely sure why KP isn’t playing given that everyone’s playing just as bad as him

James Harden this game is like that cartoon wolf where everyone looks like dinner to him.

good offense + crap defense > crap offense + crap defense

That’s the moral of the story of this game.

51 points is not a bad offensive half

The Rockets are the worst defensive team in the NBA though. Well, maybe second worst.

Why is it ok to say that we can’t judge the players yet because they haven’t had enough time to “gel”, yet it is ok to judge the coach for “routinely” doing something poorly when he’s had exactly the same amount of time to “gel” with his players?

Yeah because there is a difference between strategy and execution. Any asshole can strategize. Playing with 4 other guys is a different thing. Not sure how you don’t see that.

Look at that lineup to start the second. What is the rationale?. KP didn’t play the last 4 or so mins of the first. That was the perfect time to run the pnr offense with him and Jennings.

er, we’re losing by 17. How many minutes was that lineup that has you mad on the floor?

It’s not just this game DREd. He keeps doing it.

Cleveland game was close until he put it in…similar thing happens yesterday. Houstons lead GREW with Harden on the bench!!

When you pay 3 guys $18-$25 million it’s hard (not impossible) to make the other 12 guys good. Hornacek doesn’t have a ton of stellar options.

Noah looks really moribund in this game. We’re in year one of the contract and the guy looks like he’s going to keel over and pass out on the second game of a back-to-back. They’re already managing his minutes like he’s an old man. What happens in, like, year 3 of this terrible contract?

I thought Hornacek would run less triangle. That’s basically all I see.

The three point defense is ___________. (There is no word for it)

Losing always reveals character. Some guys double their effort and encourage teammates, even as a game goes terribly (Starks, Mason, Oakley, Kidd, Chandler, Prigioni). Some guys scowl as if factors external to their own play are what’s causing their failure (Marbury, Melo, JR Smith, Shump).

I think Jackson brought Noah in specifically to contradict Melo’s bad in-game energy, but he may not have the skills left to lead.

The worst part about this isn’t that the team sucks. That’s par for the course. But this team with all of its high usage/hesitant to pass guys is probably gonna stunt Porzingis’ development. Lovely.

Made the executive decision to leave the WS on. Can only help the Knicks if I don’t watch.

@113 to be fair KP has not played well this year on both sides. I thought we could at least bank on is D

James Harden with the most casual dismantling of an entire team I’ve ever seen tonight

How is Kuz still not on the floor in extended garbage time

And just to stoke the pessimists here… this offseason read to me like Phil saying, “I’m not sticking around too long, so screw the future. I’m signing old men and health risks. I have to get a decent season or two here just to heal up my ego.” Would he double down and trade picks or trade Porzingis to try salvage the season?

Is there any reason for why KP only has 4 shots in this game while Carlos Lee and Bradon Jennings have 18?

Would he double down and trade picks or trade Porzingis to try salvage the season?

I don’t think much of Jackson, but he’s way better than that.

You put Melo, Rose and Brandon Jennings on the same team and KP was bound to disappear.

Every time that it seems like he’ll have a good shooting night, it’s suddenly 8-18.

Switched on the game for the end of the third. I totally get that it’s a new team, new coach, and we’re gonna try out a bunch of different lineups at the beginning of the season to see how things shake out. Plus we’re already getting blown out. But how long, exactly, did he have Melo at center?

I’ve really been watching KP defending out on the perimeter, and he’s awful out there, overplaying, etc.. He’s one of the reasons why teams are getting open looks.

Down low he looks much better. He does have 8 rebounds and 3 blocks in 27 min. so far tonight.

We need to clear out the heroballers. This team isn’t winning shit with them around. I’ve said for over a year but the time has come to move on.

Down low he looks much better. He does have 8 rebounds and 3 blocks in 27 min. so far tonight.

That was where he was positioned last year.

Down low he looks much better. He does have 8 rebounds and 3 blocks in 27 min. so far tonight.

A lot of that is garbage time, though in fairness that includes the entire 2nd half.

Is there any reason for why KP only has 4 shots in this game while Carlos Lee and Bradon Jennings have 18?

Lee’s name is Courtney, and combined they’ve played 20 more minutes than Porzingis. Lee is also a good shooter who shot well.

We only got outscored by 2 in the second half so we obviously figured out a lot of problems.

Lee’s name is Courtney, and combined they’ve played 20 more minutes than Porzingis. Lee is also a good shooter who shot well.

I prefer Carlos. Do you have a reason for why they’ve played 20 minutes more than our second leading scorer last year?

Do you have a reason for why they’ve played 20 minutes more than our second leading scorer last year?

There’s two of them?

I didn’t expect much from the Knicks this year but it feels like we are skipping the honeymoon stage completely this year…

Yep. And Langston Galloway doing some work tonight for the Pellies.

Got it locked on game 7 though…

Just checked the scores on my lunch break. Woof. Think I will skip the replay tonight.

That said, the result probably wasn’t too unexpected, and looks like a carbon copy of the pre-season match up judging by the comments section. Still, you would at least like to see a bit of an adjustment. On a side note, we managed to keep them to a lower score than Cleveland, so we can at least hang our hat on that ha ha.

It’s just so depressing to me that we’re four games into a four year contract and Joakim Noah already has to be babied and only play 18 minutes because he’s old and gimpy. I hate a lot of things about the way this roster has been put together but I think I might hate Noah’s contract most of all.

Well we were worried they were going to run Noah into the ground so maybe this is good?

I’m gonna be easy on the hate until midseason, then it’s gonna fuckin’ rain

wasn’t really sure who I was rooting for to start the game…for some reason felt myself going for Cleveland early – that was a heck of an 8th inning…wow, this is some good baseball…

great baseball game>another dismal performance by favorite basketball team…

uh yeah, ’bout that 47 win prediction…

nice, started pouring in cleveland…

As an actual fan of the Knicks, this game was just brutal to watch. I wouldn’t have imagined that the defense would be this bad. My God, what an eyesore tonight. I know Harden is a great offensive player but it shouldn’t be as easy as it was for him tonight. He did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

If Gordon wouldn’t have added yet another health risk to the starting 5, I’d have to say that his shooting would look really good at the two. I think his game is a bit more versatile than Lee’s. I can certainly understand why you wouldn’t give him the contract you gave Lee, but…

KP hasn’t looked good but I don’t think the team has made enough of an effort to get the kid into the flow of the offense. It’s only natural that he would differ to players like Melo and Rose so those guys have to look for Zinger.

I still feel like given some times, things will get much better. I don’t know who it’s going to be, but someone on this team has to be the leader get after guys when they don’t bust it. Melo clearly isn’t that type of leader so I’m thinking Noah is the guy.

Sheesh tonight was painful…

I am rooting for the Cubs but am guilty about it because I love the movie Major League so much.

I still feel like given some times, things will get much better.

I agree that they’re likely not this bad, but my concern is that it’s almost better if they are this bad, because the more likely scenario – that they are a better, but still mediocre, team, is really the worst case scenario for this team.

Missed most of the game but our defense and particularly kp is just not going to look good against teams like these… its going to start looking alot better these next few games though with teams that have traditional frontcourts…

Brian Cronin: I agree that they’re likely not this bad, but my concern is that it’s almost better if they are this bad, because the more likely scenario – that they are a better, but still mediocre, team, is really the worst case scenario for this team.

What’s funny about this is that the Knicks have had a number of breaks through the years where a team that should have locked itself into mediocrity for quite some time has had bad luck and just fallen apart.

I mean, what if Eddy Curry had played like he did in Chicago? What if Marbury hadn’t lost his mind so quickly? What if McDyess had recovered to being a decent player by his second year with NY? What if the picks the Knicks traded away over the years hadn’t panned out quite so well? What if Bargnani hadn’t been quite so bad?

Many of these outcomes are 50/50 types that just didn’t work out for NY. A few breaks in the productivity department, and the last 15 years see the Knicks largely hovering in the 35-45 win range instead of the 25-35 win range.

It really feels like there’s someone up there in the sky who feels really bad for Knicks fans and taking all the bad choices the Knicks make and making them worse. “Look how dumb it is to trade picks, guys!” “Look how dumb it is to trade for or sign older players when your team sucks!” It’s like if you could pick a series of events that would educate an owner to change his ways, you would pick what’s happened ot the Knicks the last 15 years.

Hell, it worked for Prokhorov in 5 years or so, and the Nets consecutive years with 44+ wins is better than anything the Knicks have accomplished since 99/2000 and 2000/2001.

Many of these outcomes are 50/50 types that just didn’t work out for NY. A few breaks in the productivity department, and the last 15 years see the Knicks largely hovering in the 35-45 win range instead of the 25-35 win range.

bruh are you fucking kidding me

did you just refer to Curry and Bargnani as fucking 50/50 bets

Congrats to the Cubs. what a game. It’s exciting to see a long suffering fan base finally get what it deserves and see smart management pay off.

And just a tremendous effort from the players.

Alright, back to our scheduled programming….

We are just so screwed against any team that can run a decent pick and roll. The Bulls are going to shred us.

Lol, the fact that far fewer than 50% of those things have worked out is a pretty good indication they weren’t 50/50 plays.

Heard a saying recently that you can’t call a bad outcome “bad luck” if the odds were against you in the first place. Think that applies to the Knicks re: Curry, Bargnani moves etc….

Didn’t watch the game last night but looking at box score now. Scary thing is – shooting wise you’re not gonna get much better from Jennings & Lee last night

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