Knicks Morning News (2016.10.22)

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony excited for the ‘unknown’ of the Knicks’ new season
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 9:34:53 PM)

    The year was 2013, or in NBA parlance 2012-13. The Knicks’ roster was dotted with veterans and the team went 54-28 under coach Mike Woodson.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks cut Cleanthony Early, Lou Amundson, Chasson Randle, two others
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 3:02:03 PM)

    The Knicks trimmed their roster to 15 players today, as they cut Chasson Randle, J.P. Tokoto, Cleanthony Early, Damien Inglis and veteran Lou Amundson.

  • [NY Newsday] Will it work? A look at some NBA free agent deals of note
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 2:22:00 PM)

    Teams spent a lot of money this NBA offseason and not every deal will pay dividends, so here’s a look at some worth following closely

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks Q&A: Ten minutes with Brandon Jennings
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 1:21:00 PM)

    Point guard Brandon Jennings was passed on by the Knicks in the 2009 NBA Draft (in favor of Jordan Hill) but he wasn’t going to pass on a chance to play for them.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ new offense revealed: It’s not Phil Jackson’s triangle
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 11:49:04 PM)

    As Knicks center Willy Hernangomez corralled a rebound in Brooklyn on Thursday, he fed a short outlet to Justin Holiday in the backcourt and then took a couple of slow steps upcourt. Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek flew out of his seat and stomped his shoes against the court. The message: Faster! The biggest thing about…

  • [NYPost] Ron Baker makes Knicks roster over Chasson Randle
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 10:24:05 AM)

    The Knicks are down to their final 15-man roster after deciding not to roll the dice on young point guard Chasson Randle, while keeping Ron Baker. Randle, a summer league standout who is sidelined with a fractured orbital bone, was among Friday’s final cuts. As expected, journeyman big man Lou Amundson and guard J.P. Tokoto…

  • [ESPN] NBA credits MJ with assist in labor talks
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 5:11:57 PM)

    NBA credits MJ with assist in labor talks

  • [ESPN] Uni Watch: Knicks will celebrate 70th anniversary with jersey patch
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 12:42:36 PM)

    Uni Watch: Knicks will celebrate 70th anniversary with jersey patch

  • [NYDN] Knicks dump Lou Amundson as part of final roster cuts
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 11:44:07 AM)

    The Knicks trimmed their roster to the league’s maximum by cutting five players Friday, including Lou Amundson and Chasson Randle.

  • [NYDN] Knicks rookie’s first NY trip was like a scene from ‘Home Alone’
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 7:00:50 AM)

    Mindaugas Kuzminskas, who is from Lithuania, was blown away by the size of the buildings in New York.

  • [NYTimes] W.N.B.A. Admits Officials Made Critical Error Late in Game 5 of Finals
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 7:18:58 PM)

    Officials missed a shot clock violation by the Sparks with 1:14 left in the deciding Game 5 Thursday, when Los Angeles beat the Minnesota Lynx, 77-76.

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Knicks make final cuts
    (Saturday, October 22, 2016 12:24:16 AM)

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Runnin’ with Rose
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 4:51:03 PM)

    TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Runnin’ with Rose

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks make roster cuts
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 4:47:15 PM)

    Knicks make roster cuts

  • [SNY Knicks] Predicting the Knicks’ final roster cuts
    (Friday, October 21, 2016 9:25:41 AM)

    After concluding the preseason with a 4-2 record, the Knicks will look to carry similar momentum with them as the regular campaign begins. They’ll have to do so with fewer men, however, as roster cuts are now looming in the days that follow.

  • 34 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.10.22)”

    Re: keeping Sasha over Randle — I think there were a few factors. Right now, Sasha is a better NBA player. They might also think that Baker and Randle are a little redundant and Baker is a little better. Also, the Knicks kept 5 rookies (all older rookies, but all new to the NBA) and maybe they thought that they needed a little more of a veteran presence. I was disappointed that they couldn’t keep Randle, but I don’t think that it’s the end of the world that they didn’t, especially with five other rookies on the roster.

    I’m pretty sure Willy and Kuz are signed for 4 years. Which contracts did Baker, Ndour and Plumlee sign? What’s Holiday’s contact? (He sure looks like a better player than Grant would ever be.)

    Yes Holiday is just fine! A great find by Phil. I hope that we sign Randle and keep him close at hand. This is such a nice team.

    Willy is four yrs, Kuz is 2yrs, Holiday is expiring, Baker is one year partial guarantee, Ndour is two years guaranteed, and Plumlee is on a three year with first guaranteed.

    Willy is four yrs, Kuz is 2yrs, Holiday is expiring, Baker is one year partial guarantee, Ndour is two years guaranteed, and Plumlee is on a three year with first guaranteed.

    Thanks. All the rookies seem to have potential but I’d be surprised if combined they provide more than 5-6 wins this year. So it’s nice to have them locked up, other than Baker, for multi years.

    Here’s my take on the team at this point:
    Projected wins: unknown, since the team they will put on the floor against the Cavs on Tuesday night has not played 1 second yet. Barring catastrophic injury (either to Melo or KP, or say a combo of Noah, Rose and Jennings) ceiling is around 52 games and the floor is around last year’s mark of 32. That makes 42 a reasonable thing to hope for assuming all starters play over 60 games.

    Overpays: Noah (last 2 years of contract) Lee (same) Lance (big $ for someone who has a half season of solid play to show for it.) Looks like Holiday is an asset, so the Rose deal is maybe a marginal overpay, but not worth stressing about.

    Underpays: Jennings (has many weaknesses but worth a flyer) Sasha (looks to be in great shape and highly motivated, good low-cost reserve) and obviously all the minimum guys. Maybe O’Quinn if he continues his preseason trend of playing better than last year.

    Sleepers: Willy, Baker, and Kuz all seem to have rotation potential but will have to earn PT in spot minutes at first. At worst, they will hold Sasha, O’Quinn, Lance and Holiday accountable. I don’t see Ndour or Plumlee as NBA-ready at this time. I doubt they see any PT and and wouldn’t be surprised to see them get cut or demoted to D-League.

    X-factors: #1 is KP’s development. Will he be a consistent all-star level player this year, or a slightly better version of the spectacular yet inconsistent player we saw last year? While nobody loves him more than me, I’m a bit worried that during preseason he sometimes either disappeared (especially on the boards) or shot poorly for extended stretches. Maybe his groin is bothering him, or maybe he’s bumping up against some kind of developmental wall. He is the only “unknown” that can make a 10-win difference on this team in that 32-52 range. #2 is obviously Derrick Rose. Hard to count on him, but who knows? #3 is Hornacek. How far from the triangle will he venture?

    Awhile back, I semi-jokingly predicted 40 wins +/- 20. Now I’ll trim that to 40 +/- 10.
    Agreed RE Noah, but I think Lee will be a good value even in years 3 and 4. He’ll also likely be tradeable. Lance could be a problem. He broke down last year the first time that he got significant playing time in his career. But, he is a “change the culture” guy, so I guess Phil really wanted to keep him at least for that.

    Still not a fan of the Rose deal b/c of Rose.

    Agree with most else, but the most important factor of them all isn’t KP; it is Hornacek. It all will boil down to his hybrid system that he continues to install, how he gets the team to play D (that has not really looked that good, yet), who gets minutes, how much, etc. Hornacek’s coaching will determine what KP becomes this year. His hiring was by far Phil’s most important after the last 2 years.

    Of course, all could be derailed by injuries, esp. if KP were to get hurt.

    Beginning of the season might be a little shaky. Because of minor injuries and personal issues, this squad has not played together much, and of course there is very little continuity from last season because of all the roster turnover.

    @7 The reason I put KP and Rose above Horny on the X-factor list is because I believe that at the end of the day it’s a players’ league and coaches make only so much difference. Phil impressed many skeptics here (not to the point of winning them over, but whatever) when he didn’t extend Rambis or bring aboard some other triangle protege. That reflects a measure of flexibility on Phil’s part. So any reasonable mainstream choice would probably get a similar result to Hornacek, whose success or failure will largely depend on health and play of both KP and Rose.

    @8 totally agree. It would be nice if they could catch the Cavs off-guard (it’s fair to say that the Knicks will be tough to scout early on, as they were last year when they had initial success far above what was expected on paper.) So this lack of information can balance out the lack of continuity. But yeah, its a concern.

    53 wins. Rose posts a career high in scoring efficiency stats with either the lowest usage he’s had ever or since his rookie season. KP destroys the league and Noah is his normal awesome self, while Melo and Lee are our rocks of consistency. Billy, Ron, Kyle, Kuz and Sasha will provide us with good minutes in their roles. Lance Thomas is going to suck but he’ll be replaced by Kuz too early for his suckage to do too much damage, and Brandon Jennings will get jumped in the locker room before he sabotages what the offense does.


    In all likelihood this is a 43 win team.

    Interesting take on continuity on Daily, some excerpts:

    “the Knicks brought back 7 players who accounted for 9,030 of the team’s 19,805 minutes in 2015-16, so the team’s roster continuity sits at 45.6%. This would be the league’s worst if not for the Brooklyn Nets, who find themselves with just 30.8% of last season’s minutes returning after essentially rebuilding the entire team this offseason…….Since 2010-11, the average playoff team returned 69% of the previous season’s minutes. The average champion returned over 80%. There isn’t much of a precedent for success for a team that experienced as much roster turnover as the Knicks have over a single offseason.”

    Except of course the 2010-2011 Miami Heat, who got off to a very slow start in the first year of the Heatles and then made the Finals. They did have a guy named LeBron on their team though.

    most important development is going to be kp… the record is fairly irrelevant to me since there are worse things for us than to have a lotto pick this year….

    things to look for is improvement in his ftr rate.. preseason didn’t look good for him as it was more of the same from last year… and he was still very perimeter oriented but hopefully he decides to play slightly more in the paint… if he’s going to make a leap it’s going to be because he’s getting to the line more…

    i think we’re probably somewhere between 37-45 wins … and depends on how much and how well noah plays…. also this 11 man rotation is going to wind up costing us some wins….. our bench guys aren’t exactly that good to be playing rotation minutes and not impact our win total….

    I think KP is a couple years away from having the strength to be truely dominant on a consistent basis. He just isn’t strong enough

    I disagree about our bench. Having a second unit of Jennings/Holiday/O’Quinn/LT/and say, Kuz is excellent. Plus you still have Willybilly, Baker, Sasha, NDour and Plumlee to use. That will be above average.

    You know our roster is one third rookies. That’s a good way to instill the triangle system. And a pretty good 2nd year player as well. Plus 3 draft picks next year. Our future is bright.

    i don’t think it really has to do with strength… bosh and anthony davis came in just as rail thin.. it’s whether or not you want to be in the paint or not… it’s not the end of the world for kp … someone like lma does fine with middling ftr rates but i’m real curious to see if we actually do have a franchise cornerstone or just an ok piece that we’re going to have to overpay to max out….

    re: bench – i don’t have a problem with the first few names… although LT has potential to tank this year… but the last bunch of names will cost us a couple of wins if they start seeing regular time…

    If Porzingis just becomes an efficient scorer with 22% usage, you’re still happy to max him due to his defense. If he gets comfortable defending Cs, then he’s awesome.

    well that’s part of the problem… a big part of efficient offense is drawing fouls….

    Though and Bosh and Davis probably started strength training earlier in life than Porzingis. I remember up saying something about a lack of assess to a gym when he was a pro in Europe while players like Davis and Bosh had top notch facilities at GT and UK coming out of HS. I think KP will be on a similar track as Dirk when it comes to getting comfortable inside/posting and getting to the line.

    I don’t think strength is KP’s issue as much as leverage. It’s an agility, footwork and positioning thing, mainly. He needs to learn how to utilize his height/wingspan to his advantage more consistently on both ends. Dream Shake. Sky Hook. Dirk/Wilt step-back fade. Tim Duncan bank shot. KP doesn’t have a bread-and-butter, the only way to stop me is to double-team me or foul me move. On D he needs to learn how to intimidate both inside and out w/o fouling. On rebounding, he needs to work on beating his man to rebounding position before worrying about boxing out.

    KP would have to gain a lot of weight IMO to be a good post player. Post play is all about base strength, and at a certain point, height becomes a detriment because you become so top heavy that you can’t hold your position against strong players. This is why beanpoles like Marcus Camby, Kevin Garnett and Durant aren’t/weren’t real low block threats.

    I think KP’s best bet is to continue developing guard skills. While top heaviness is a weakness in the post, it’s a strength after you leave your feet, allowing you to more easily maintain your course when you take a hit, and when you’re driving, it helps you draw attention to contact and draw more fouls.

    I’m not saying he can’t have a deadly sweeping hook. Just saying that I expect if he does develop it, he’ll use it off catch and react drives rather than setting up in the deep post.

    He can also use his height, lenght and quickness to become a better screen/roll man. If KP can become some amalgamation of Danilo Gallinari and Tyson Chandler, that’d be freakin awesome. He’s gotta get more into taking contact on drives though if he wants to get there. But hey, Gallinari’s rookie FTr was lower than KP’s.

    KP is essentially a cross between Dirk and Sean Bradley. He should work on Dirk-like offensive moves.

    @ruru was he? My impression of KG is that he scored primarily off jumpers and that most of his offensive efficiency was from his awesome rebounding. Sure, he’d catch the ball in the post, but his only real move was a not all taht dangerous fallback 15 footer.

    KG was a good scorer, not a great one. HIs passing and all time great defense was what made him truly special.

    With KP’s wingspan, standing reach and shooting touch, there’s a chance he can develop an automatic high-post shot.

    Was watching some Embiid stuff and man, it’d be pretty amazing for Philly to lose the #1 pick in the draft to injury and then still end up with the ROY, and yet Embiid really does look that good. I loved him out of college, but I thought that after those injuries, he’d be done. He doesn’t look done.

    By the way, if Derrick Rose makes it through the season in mostly one piece, Brandon Jennings will have a good shot at Sixth Man of the Year. Mostly because of how the award is voted on (pointz), but still. That’s something.

    I don’t think Jennings will avg that many points but I do think he will have more ast than most think.

    Also if Embiid turns out to be for real and KP also grows into a force how will the NBA look going forward with so many up and coming big men.

    In other news:

    Dave McMenamin
    ESPN Staff Writer

    Kay Felder has been placed into the league’s concussion protocol, per the team. His status for opening night vs. NYK will be determined Tuesday morning. Cleveland could be mighty thin at point guard versus the Knicks.

    I wonder if PGs tend to get rapped in the head in practice, especially rookies.


    Yeah, reub is usually way too optimistic but Rose legit always beasts on Kyrie head-to-head. If we’re going to beat Cleveland I think this is the best shot we have, catching them early and all.

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