Knicks Morning News (2016.03.19)

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Friday’s NBA Games (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 06:06:28 GMT)

    Highlights of Friday’s National Basketball Association games.

  • [New York Times] Knight’s Big Stretch Drive Helps Suns Beat Lakers 95-90 (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 05:18:33 GMT)

    Brandon Knight scored nine of his 22 points in the fourth quarter after Phoenix nearly blew a 19-point lead, and the Suns hung on for a 95-90 victory over the Los Angeles Lakers on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Lillard’s 33 Points Helps Portland Survive Pelicans, 117-112 (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:36:46 GMT)

    Damian Lillard lay flat on his back. His Portland teammates rushed to his side and then got into a brief scrum with Pelicans players while team security sprang onto the court to prevent the dust-up from escalating.

  • [New York Times] Lowry Scores 32 in Raptors’ Victory Over Celtics (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:27:29 GMT)

    Despite concluding a stretch of four games in five nights, with travel, the Toronto Raptors were able to pour it on in the fourth quarter to outscore the Celtics 26-17 and defeat Boston 105-91 Friday.

  • [New York Times] Splash Brothers Set Up SA Showdown, Topping Mavs 130-112 (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:24:52 GMT)

    Stephen Curry stole the ball from Dirk Nowitzki near midcourt and hit a 35-footer to beat the first-quarter buzzer, drawing a huge roar from the typical swarm of the sharpshooting star’s fans on the road.

  • [New York Times] Harden Leads Rockets Past Timberwolves, 116-111 (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 03:54:42 GMT)

    After an emotional players-only meeting, Houston Rockets point guard Patrick Beverley said he felt sorry for the next opponent.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 03:33:39 GMT)

    Stephen Curry had several dazzling plays on his way to 31 points, fellow Splash Brother Klay Thompson scored 39 and the Golden State Warriors tuned up for a showdown in San Antonio with a 130-112 victory over the Dallas Mavericks on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Westbrook, Durant Power Thunder to Win Over 76ers (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:57:27 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook set the tone and Kevin Durant finished the job.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Cavaliers Beat Magic to Seal Playoff Berth (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:57:06 GMT)

    The Cleveland Cavaliers hold off the Orlando Magic, 109-103, on Friday night and clinch a playoff spot.

  • [New York Times] After Big First Half, Pistons Hold Off Kings 115-108 (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:15:45 GMT)

    Marcus Morris scored 20 of his 24 points in the first half, and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope made a couple big 3-pointers in the fourth quarter to lift the Detroit Pistons to a 115-108 victory over the Sacramento Kings on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Lowry, Raptors Send Celtics to Fourth Straight Loss (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:12:51 GMT)

    Kyle Lowry scored 32 points, Luis Scola had all of his 17 in the first quarter and the Toronto Raptors beat the Boston Celtics 105-91 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Irving, James Lead Cavs to Season Series Sweep of Magic (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:09:55 GMT)

    Kyrie Irving scored 26 points and LeBron James had 18, including a layup and pair of free throws down the stretch to help the Cleveland Cavaliers hold off the Orlando Magic 109-103 on Friday night and clinch a playoff spot.

  • [New York Times] Westbrook’s 13th Triple-Double Helps Thunder Down 76ers (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 01:39:53 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook recorded his league-leading 13th triple-double with 20 points, 15 rebounds and 10 assists, and Kevin Durant had 26 points and 13 boards to lead the Oklahoma City Thunder to a 111-97 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Friday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Porzingis was recruited via Facebook by Div. II schools (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:27:25 GMT)

    A lot of universities dropped the ball with Kristaps Porzingis.

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony on his Knicks future: ‘S–t, I don’t know’ (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:22:30 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony acknowledged Friday his future in New York is up in the air while indicating it’s reliant on Phil Jackson’s summer moves.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks don’t want Kristaps Porzingis playing for Latvia (Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:19:27 GMT)

    Kristaps Porzingis hasn’t made up his mind about playing for Latvia this summer, but the Knicks now have a stated preference.

  • 31 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.03.19)”

    There was a lot of talk last thread about the importance of “drawing free agents”, and how if we didn’t have Melo we wouldn’t get any. Two things:

    First: we haven’t been able to attract free agents with Melo.

    Second, and more importantly: There is no point in attempting to become “contenders” while Golden State exists in its current form. The only coherent justifications for attracting free agents in an attempt to win more games are for reasons of inculcating a “winning culture”, or allowing the young ones to develop under “veteran leadership”, or simply because you’re tired of seeing the Knicks play like shit.

    I think the first two really overvalue their rationales, and I think the third is fine, but less prudent than simply opting for a rebuild, where the team and us fans trade a short-term loss for possible long-term gains.

    We’ve been trying, and failing, to draw a big free agent here since 1996. And it’s happened twice, Andrea
    Amare and Tyson both of whom we offered more money than any other team. People are always talking about the allure of NYC but it doesn’t seem that most NBA players feel that allure.

    After thinking about this for a season, I think the Knick’s strategy of highest utility is to find a team that needs to shed salary to sign one or multiple FAs this summer and park a useless expiring (Rose) for a first round pick. This will induce Melo to spazz ask for a trade and then target Boston’s NJ pick if via a 3 way or whatever.

    Then move Rolo for a good pick or a low priced young promising player (Capela?). Get a coach that will play Zinger as a rim protecting stretch 5, tank next season when you have your own #1 pick, draft well and attack free agency 2 summers from now with Zinger and 2 other top 5 picks and a boatload of cap space. An actual rebuild!

    After thinking about this for a season, I think the Knick’s strategy of highest utility is to find a team that needs to shed salary to sign one or multiple FAs this summer and park a useless expiring (Rose) for a first round pick. This will induce Melo to spazz ask for a trade and then target Boston’s NJ pick if via a 3 way or whatever.

    Then move Rolo for a good pick or a low priced young promising player (Capela?). Get a coach that will play Zinger as a rim protecting stretch 5, tank next season when you have your own #1 pick, draft well and attack free agency 2 summers from now with Zinger and 2 other top 5 picks and a boatload of cap space. An actual rebuild!

    Yep, that would be a good plan. It won’t happen, but good plan.

    Heck, if that did happen, I wouldn’t be surprised if Melo said, “Derrick Rose? Awesome! Now I’m definitely staying!”

    Heck, if that did happen, I wouldn’t be surprised if Melo said, “Derrick Rose? Awesome! Now I’m definitely staying!”

    You know, as I was looking over rosters for terrible contracts I thought exactly the same thing. Melo might actually think Rose is a great addition 🙂

    When Howard walks from Houston the Rolo / Capela idea might work.

    Oops, I just posted this on old thread in error:
    It is seeming increasingly likely that Melo will not be in a Knicks uniform next year.

    He’s making thinly-veiled references to waiving his NTC and running out of patience
    It’s a thin FA field this year and making a trade may be the only way for win-now contending teams to improve (e.g. Clips)
    His contract is less onerous now that it has less time left and he’s still relatively healthy

    I’m as annoyed with Phil’s flakiness and rigidity as anyone right now, but if he turns Melo into at least a mid-round 1st rounder and a decent young player on a friendly contract, the near-max deal was worth it. The only part of the logic for signing Melo that made sense is not giving him up for nothing. That doesn’t mean I’d be bummed if we got less in return for him, but that’s the break-even point for me. Anything less and the signing would have to be judged as a losing proposition.

    I don’t think we should trade RoLo unless it’s a lopsided deal. He’s a good, young, smart player on a very reasonable contract. Porzingis is not ready to be a full-time 5, and won’t be for at least 2-3 years.

    The issue is that Melo has been making thinly-veiled threats for years now. It never leads to anything. He wants to remain a Knick while also look like he’s being “tough” on the Knicks so that they will improve the team. Nothing he says has any force to it. The dude literally made a “threat” that “they gotta do something.” Oh, Melo? They have to do something? Salient advice right there.

    It really comes down to how important winning a championship is to Melo, and I’m not sure it is. I think he’s got a different personality than guys like Durant (who may join GS just to get a ring) and LeBron (who saw going to Miami as his only route to a title). That whole smiling thing when he misses a game winning shot, his laid back attitude, I think he’s okay with staying in NY and just going with the flow.

    I’m sure Melo would love to get a ring, but I don’t think it drives him or obsesses him like it does other guys.

    I was about to post about how Melo is overpaid…..but by how much? when I googled it and found out that right now he is slated to be the highest paid player in the league next year.

    But, where should he rank, based on the next 2 years alone? I know he’s a bad fit for us, but anywhere we send him has to deal with him being overpaid too.

    Clearly better than Melo (10): Lebron, Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Davis, Leonard, Paul, Boogie, Lillard, Wall, Towns
    Probably better than Melo (11): Jordan, Gasol, George, Milsap, Harden, Thompson, Draymond, Aldridge, Thomas, Drummond, P Gasol
    You could argue (14): Bosh, Howard, Griffin, Love, Butler, Hayward, Lowry, Derosan, Kemba, Freak, Wade, Whiteside, Wiggins, McCollum

    So, lets put him at 20. Right now, that’s Wes Matthews, $17M. Melo makes $8.5M more than that. Put it in a range, he’s $7M to $10M over-paid.

    Right now, $10M could get you Danny Green. But, it could also get you Shump or Verejao.
    Right now, $7M could get you JJ Redick. It could also get you Cory Joseph.

    Next year, $10M won’t be worth what it is now.

    I’m not sure what the point is. But, when I was looking this shit up, I came across a cool story about Popovich taking Cory Joseph to dinner and making him try wine. We don’t have an analogy for that, unless it’s coach Fisher and somebody’s ex. or Coach Rambis and instagram. It’s a quiet weekend for me.

    I’m sure Melo would love to get a ring, but I don’t think it drives him or obsesses him like it does other guys.

    That certainly seems to be the case, yes. And as I said the other day, I actually do respect the fact that he puts his family first in these things. His wife is working as an actress here. His son is in school here. He makes a ton of money here. He get to live in New York City. Those are all reasonable and important things for a person. So I respect him placing those as a higher priority than winning basketball games.

    Now as a Knick fan, it annoys the heck out of me, but taking that out of the equation, I respect his priorities.

    Of course, then you might like to say, “If those are his priorities, fine, but he specifically says otherwise.” To which I would note, “Yeah, but it’s Melo, you can never take anything he says seriously.”

    How many guys today really are driven or obsessed to win a ring? Melo / Duncan / Wade / Parker and who else?

    Plus, you can’t do it alone (except that one year Wade basically did). Even a legend (both as a player and a worker) like Dirk has only won once, and he’s been in the league since before I was born.

    I think he hates losing and wants to play for a contender while he can still be a full-time player. He has never made comments like he is now, i.e. less than halfway through a contract,

    As to his family, they don’t have to leave NY. He can keep his home there and fly in whenever his schedule allows. Maybe it would be better for his kids for them to not have to deal with him losing all the time.

    Oh, I agree that he hates losing. He just doesn’t hate it as much as he hates the idea of leaving New York, both in terms of A. not wanting to leave New York and B. leaving New York as a “failure.”

    Of all the comments, his telling a fan to ask Dolan for a refund was the most telling. Dolan had to be burned up by that, and I’m guessing he would be happy to dump Melo, which is new.

    right now he is slated to be the highest paid player in the league next year.

    NO.

    Lebron and KD will make more than him and everyone who signs a contract in the next few years

    So, lets put him at 20. Right now, that’s Wes Matthews, $17M. Melo makes $8.5M more than that. Put it in a range, he’s $7M to $10M over-paid.

    would you pay Mathews 17?

    Also, Phil holds the cards to force Melo to choose between spending the next 3 years on a weak team or to waive the NTC. All Phil has to do is make no win-now deals.

    Also, Phil is in good position to justify losing for the next couple of years PR-wise. We will have our own picks and can pivot to rebuilding around Zinger. He can tell Melo that he’s welcome to stick around for the ride.

    ER: What I mean is, Melo has the highest ’16-17 committed salary. Durant will make more when signed, Lebron probably will too.

    And, NO……I would not pay Wes Matthews $17M. that’s part of my point. If you get rid of Melo and his salary, it’s not like you get to invest it in gold. First, you are going to offer it to guys who say no. Second, whoever takes it is no sure thing.

    There are 10 guys making over $20M this year. Only Lebron, Paul and Durant are earning it. Melo is far from the worst performer on the list (Kobe, Johnson, Rose, Bosh, Wade, Howard are the others).

    My arguments are:
    -Melo is pretty damn good. Some talk about him like he has Sasha’s game and Spree’s attitude
    -He is a bad fit for a rebuilding team, unless he can lure FAs (and there is no evidence than anything but $$ does that)
    -Just having him waive his no trade means nothing unless you can trade him
    -If you deal him, you have to get something back, or you are in total tank mode. We would need consecutive years of high lottery picks THAT PAN OUT, plus decent players to take our $$ knowing we are tanking.

    If I piece together a few of Kurt’s comments that have been out there recently, Rambis thinks KP should stay with the knicks so he can work on becoming a better SF.

    This is terrific. Rambis’ vision is to turn my unicorn into the next Brad Sellers!!!

    If I piece together a few of Kurt’s comments that have been out there recently, Rambis thinks KP should stay with the knicks so he can work on becoming a better SF.

    That alone is grounds for firing.

    With the lines of communications now open I’m not sure if this isn’t Phil’s idea.

    There are 10 guys making over $20M this year. Only Lebron, Paul and Durant are earning it. Melo is far from the worst performer on the list (Kobe, Johnson, Rose, Bosh, Wade, Howard are the others).

    In 2 years how many more people will be on the list? Melo’s salary does not stop or hinder the Knicks. All good teams have 1 or 2 guys who make a lot and great ancillary pieces for less. If you argue that having Melo doesn’t let them be bad enough for a rebuild, then I could understand that, but his salary stops them from nothing. The Calderon 8 mil is more of a drag than melo

    Clearly better than Melo (10): Lebron, Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Davis, Leonard, Paul, Boogie, Lillard, Wall, Towns, Jordan, Gasol, George, Milsap, Harden, Thompson, Draymond, Aldridge, Thomas, Drummond, P Gasol, Bosh, Howard, Griffin, Love, Butler, Hayward, Lowry, Derosan, Kemba, Freak, Wade, Whiteside, Wiggins, McCollum

    FTFY except I don’t think Cousins is better than Melo, just younger and taller

    Also, Phil is in good position to justify losing for the next couple of years PR-wise. We will have our own picks and can pivot to rebuilding around Zinger. He can tell Melo that he’s welcome to stick around for the ride.

    I agree that this would be the perfect time to sell the fans such a plan. Jackson doesn’t seem inclined to think that way, though. Perhaps because Dolan can opt out of their deal after this upcoming season.

    Also, Phil holds the cards to force Melo to choose between spending the next 3 years on a weak team or to waive the NTC. All Phil has to do is make no win-now deals.

    Also agreed, but Phil is going to do win-now deals, so it is kind of moot, ya know?

    If I piece together a few of Kurt’s comments that have been out there recently, Rambis thinks KP should stay with the knicks so he can work on becoming a better SF.

    Rambis is just such a dumb asshole. And Jackson seems to be totally down with it.

    I dunno, Brian, has Jackson done any purely win-now moves? He hasn’t traded draft picks or gone over the cap. He didn’t make any stupid deadline deals. What do you see him doing this offseason?

    I dunno, Brian, has Jackson done any purely win-now moves? He hasn’t traded draft picks or gone over the cap. He didn’t make any stupid deadline deals. What do you see him doing this offseason?

    I think he’ll try to sign the best veteran guards that he can sign with the goal for the Knicks to compete for a playoff spot since he thinks that if that happens, he can convince one of the big 2017 free agents to sign here. It’s been his game plan every year. Be good enough one year to get a big free agent to come here.

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