Knicks Morning News (2015.12.13)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks snap losing streak behind Carmelo Anthony’s 37 points (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 06:57:55 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony called it a ‘must-win’ and came through.

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Knicks are becoming Kristaps Porzingis’ team (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 06:35:21 GMT)

    There is the notion somehow that Kristaps Porzingis, who has given Knicks fans hope again, is the sideman.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Scores 37, Knicks Beat Blazers to End Skid at 4 (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 06:12:48 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony tied a season high with 37 points and New York Knicks rallied from a 10-point, fourth-quarter deficit to beat the Portland Trail Blazers 112-110 on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Bucks 108, Warriors 95: Warriors Fall to Bucks, Ending Perfect Start (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 05:34:13 GMT)

    Golden State, which had not lost a regular-season game since April 7 and had not lost a game that counted since June 9, dropped to 24-1 and was stopped short of the record of 33 straight wins.

  • [New York Times] It’s Over: Bucks Hand Warriors 1st Loss, Win 108-95 (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 05:12:34 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors walked slowly off the Bradley Center floor, exchanging handshakes with the victorious Milwaukee Bucks on the way back to their locker room.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Record Streak Ends With Loss to Bucks (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 05:06:27 GMT)

    Golden State’s record 24-game winning streak to start the season came to an end on Saturday in a 108-95 loss to the Bucks in Milwaukee, with interim coach Luke Walton saying the Warriors “ran of gas”.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Shut Down Hawks Again (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 04:33:28 GMT)

    The San Antonio Spurs’ winning streak against the Atlanta Hawks is now 11 games and Mike Budenholzer is 0-6 against coaching mentor Gregg Popovich.

  • [New York Times] Porter, Wall Lead Wizards Past Mavericks, 114-111 (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 04:30:37 GMT)

    Otto Porter scored a career-high 28 points, John Wall had 26 points and 16 assists and the Washington Wizards ended an 11-game losing streak against the Dallas Mavericks with a 114-111 victory Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Warriors 24-Game Winning Streak Ends With Loss to Bucks (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 04:12:31 GMT)

    Golden State’s record 24-game winning streak to start the season came to an end on Saturday in a 108-95 loss to the Bucks in Milwaukee.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Celtics End Win Streak by Hornets at 4 Games (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 03:59:46 GMT)

    Avery Bradley and Isaiah Thomas led the way for visiting Boston, which has now won seven of its past 10 games.

  • [New York Times] Gasol, Brooks Help Bulls Beat Pelicans, 98-94 (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 03:48:38 GMT)

    Pau Gasol had 18 points and Aaron Brooks scored 15 of his 17 in the fourth quarter as the Chicago Bulls beat the New Orleans Pelicans 98-94 on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Clippers 105, Nets 100: Nets’ Rally Falls Short Against the Clippers (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 03:39:45 GMT)

    Getting easy baskets in the first half, Los Angeles held off a late Nets rally after they trailed by as many as 18 points in the fourth quarter.

  • [New York Times] Harden Leads Rockets to Lopsided 126-97 Win Over Lakers (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 03:36:34 GMT)

    James Harden scored 30 points, and the Houston Rockets got an easy 126-97 win over the struggling Los Angeles Lakers on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Spurs’ Defense Overpowers Hawks in 103-78 Win (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 03:30:39 GMT)

    Kawhi Leonard scored 22 points and the San Antonio Spurs allowed only 25 first-half points in the strongest defensive effort by any NBA team this season in beating the Atlanta Hawks 103-78 on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Bradley, Thomas Lead Celtics Over Hornets, 98-93 (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 03:18:39 GMT)

    The Boston Celtics easily could have mailed it in Saturday night after losing a grueling double-overtime game to Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors the night before.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Use Balanced Attack to Rout Pacers 118-96 (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 03:09:59 GMT)

    Reggie Jackson had 21 points and nine assists to lead a balanced attack as the Detroit Pistons routed the Indiana Pacers 118-96 on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Claim First Win in Brooklyn (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 02:36:27 GMT)

    The Los Angeles Clippers made history on Saturday with a 105-100 victory over the Brooklyn Nets, their first at Barclays Center.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Hold on, End 7-Game Road Skid Against the Nets (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 00:46:04 GMT)

    Blake Griffin and J.J. Redick each scored 21 points, and the Los Angeles Clippers ended a seven-game, two-state road losing streak against the Brooklyn Nets with a 105-100 victory Saturday night.

  • [New York Post] Robin Lopez comes alive after Fisher deflects Knicks’ blame (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 01:29:36 -0500)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — Knicks center Robin Lopez found his offensive touch on his return to the city in which he spent the past two seasons, after getting a huge ovation during pre-game intros at Moda Center. Lopez's offensive downturn, according to coach Derek Fisher, could be blamed on his teammates not running the triangle offense…

  • [New York Post] Carmelo Anthony puts Knicks on his back in superstar statement (Sun, 13 Dec 2015 00:51:24 -0500)

    Carmelo Anthony branded Saturday's game against the Trail Blazers "a must-win'' and, like a good leader, he showed the way. After getting his hackles up after learning about Charles Barkley's TNT dig that he needed to be "a better leader,” Anthony had a superstar night, notching 37 points on 13-of-21 shooting as the Knicks broke…

  • 37 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.12.13)”

    Biggest win of the year, no?

    Unit of Oaq, Galloway, Thomas, Williams and AA was big. They solidified the defense and had enough offense (rebounds maybe not so much.) When Dwill went out, the rest played really well with Melo. I love Galloway at PG. Especially since, in the triangle, the offense runs through the center. I like a center rotation of Rolo and Oaq and I’d like to see KP6 get some run at 5 also. Certainly I feel done with “Le Triangle”. If Calderon is playing like Prigioni, he is of literally no value to us. If he’s out there he needs to be actively hunting his shot. Two or three first quarter buckets would be very helpful. We actually had 21 in the first quarter and that’s almost what a real NBA team would have.

    Overall, a good job by coach Fisher last night. I don’t mind the rooks sitting as long as the rotations are solid. Sasha over Grant is OK for ten minutes. Sasha gives us the “threat” of an outside shot (though he clearly falls short of NBA level production.) Galloway has earned the backup PG role. Grant is a good creator who needs to work on his shot and will get another chance. KP6 lives to fight another day. I certainly join in the call for some P and R action for the kid. How about Melo initiating? Easy buckets anyone?

    The Knicks need a guard who can get into the lane and penetrate in order for the triangle to really be successful. Galloway has the athletic ability and the shooting touch to score from anywhere in the offense, but I’m not sure his handle or first step are what they need to be in the offense. Porzingis, Melo, and Afflalo seem to be enough offense for a triangle offense, but Porzingis isn’t strong enough to not turn it over in the post, and Afflalo/Melo are not dribble drive penetrators. We need a guard who can break down defenses and catch opponents off guard in order for the ball movement to actually make the defense sweat.

    There is zero scenario or excuse in which Porzingis and Grant doesn’t play 25+ and 10+, respectively. Fisher needs to go.

    At least he finally figured out O’Quinn is productive.

    We have killed Lance Thomas a lot on this board. He has begun to shown a 3+D kind of mentality. We sorely need that. I just can’t figure out why someone who is 6’8 averages less rebounds than Calderon in similar minutes. Some interesting stats though:
    Lance Thomas scores more points per shot than anyone on the Knicks.
    He also has the second highest TS% (excluding Early who has barely played). Calderon is highest.
    His defensive rating is still pretty unfavorable. But we should consider he plays with the bench squad, who as a whole has just been atrocious the last 10 games or so?
    Biggest weakness still seems to be turnovers and poor rebounding.

    I think we’d be happy with his production if he were 6-6 and 6-7. I know I can’t stand that he grabs less % of boards than Calderon. That is just horrendous.

    I know we hate PER, but it is kind of a neat way to wrap up offensive production. O’Quinn is second on the team and it seems Fisher has figured it out. Really….Slowly. He has the highest winshares per 48 too, lol. What may surprise (I know it did surprise me) is that O’Quinn is top 5 in TRB% (#1), AST% (#5), STL% (#4), and BLKS% (#1).

    Are we making too much of the good output of our front line (except KP) last night? I wasn’t very impressed with Portland’s bigs and forwards at all last night. Could it be that they just sucked?

    @1 You are correct about the unit that started the 4th quarter. They erased the Blazer lead. And I agree that credit goes to Fisher and it’s precisely because of that lineup. It was a major fix.

    The second unit has not been able to score and by putting Afflalo in with that crew instead of Grant, suddenly there was offense. And Q’Quinn is markedly better than Amundson.

    A note about KP last night. He admitted that he was getting tired. We should have expected that. I wish we could find a way to sit him vs the T-Wolves to give him 5 days off in a row to get his legs back.

    O’Quinn’s done it whenever he’s gotten any real playing time. Thomas was defending the perimeter all night. Maybe they found his niche. He isn’t very good at the inside part of the game. None of the bigs played particularly well outside of OAQ. If Lopez played more with Galloway and Thomas, than he does with Calderon and Melo, I think he’d see a much more productive C.

    I’m not convinced Fisher has anything figured out yet. I’d be willing to bet that if O’Quinn has a couple of weak outings in a row he’ll go right back to Seraphin even though their long term records and records this year are screaming that O’Quinn is the better and higher impact player.

    IMO he literally has no idea whatsoever how to measure the productivity of his players. We saw that last year and we’re seeing it again this year. There are lot of marginal decisions on which reasonable people might disagree, but O’Quinn vs. Seraphin is not one of them. Fisher throws spaghetti at the wall, sees what’s working, and keeps going. So any short term aberrational result (either positive or negative) will impact the rotations. Then you get stuck with an inferior player for couple of weeks. These kinds of things cost games over the long haul.

    We are fortunate we got a great game out of Melo. If that Melo would show up a little more consistently we’d be in pretty good shape.

    KP looks like a very tired player. Hopefully this little break will freshen him up and he’ll be back to himself at home.

    I don’t dislike Sasha as much as come people, but I think benching Grant totally in favor of Sasha is a mistake. Grant is apparently not ready for a major role. We all got ahead of ourselves at the start of the season, but he needs some minutes to help him develop. I’d really like him to have a major role for the second half of the season. Calderon has been giving us “good Calderon” in general, but he still disappears at times and is a liability on defense.

    I’m not quite ready to totally admit it yet, but I may have been wrong about Lance Thomas. He still doesn’t give us enough on the boards or as a play maker, but is scoring efficiency is hanging in there long enough that he may have actually improved. Time will tell.

    AA and Galloway are our best defensive guards (our best period). Triangle does not need a point guard that can break down the defense. Neither the Kobe LAL or the Jordan CHI had one of those. That being said I like the ball in Galloway’s hands as a decision maker. His handle will improve. Maybe he slides over when Chris Paul comes over in the offseason but he’s our best bet right now. I’m not counting Jerian out based on one game, though, and we haven’t been given reason to think Fisher has.

    LAL and CHI did not have particularly gifted big men. The idea is to mine the court with big bodies and let creative players run off screens. Big men see over the defense and pick out receivers. We are not unsuited to the triangle. We just need our best players out there.

    AA and Galloway are our best defensive guards (our best period).

    I don’t agree with you on Afflalo. I think he is a minus defender, way worse than Grant, way worse than Thomas at defending guards, and probably tied with Sasha as the second worst defender on the team behind Calderon. Afflalo is always hustling and in stance, but he gets beat all the time — off the dribble, back door, screened off the ball, and as a help perimeter defender he is almost always late — he just isn’t quick or strong enough for most guys he is guarding. And it isn’t because he is taking good risks, his YTD steal+block rate is in the worst 1 percentile in the history of the league. Actually no player in the NBA has ever played 1000 minutes and generated a block and steal rate both less than or equal to .3% like AA has in his 519 minutes this year. Afflalo is a smart guy, I don’t think it’s his “fault,” but I don’t get how so many people think he’s a valuable defender.

    Also, I agree with pretty much every in @8, especially the stuff about Lance. What a weirdo. Highly rootable, nailing double hitch threes, guarding point guards, but rebounding and assisting like Timmy JR in an exhibition game. Who knows.

    AA and Galloway are our best defensive guards (our best period). Triangle does not need a point guard that can break down the defense. Neither the Kobe LAL or the Jordan CHI had one of those.

    Penetration is one of the key principles of the triangle. Kobe LAL and Jordan CHI may not have had point guards that could penetrate, but they did have… KOBE and JORDAN, who most certainly could. We have Arron Afflalo.

    Lance Thomas has suddenly become a legitimate 3 and D player. After shooting 31.8% on 0.5 attempts/36 last season and shooting one single three pointer in his entire career before that, he’s shooting 37.5% on 3.4 attempts/36. Last night, he was guarding Damian Lillard in crunch time. Earlier this season, he guarded James Harden. On offense, he can knock down the open shot, and he’s shown some ability to attack closeouts. On defense, he can guard multiple positions (1-4) and seems to do a good job, although he doesn’t put up any steals, blocks, rebounds, or assists.

    I think finding two-way guards and wings who can space the floor and defend will be one of the keys to success in the Porzingis era, and Lance Thomas is suddenly someone who can fill that role. Galloway can fill that role too, and Afflalo, depending on how you categorize his defense, is a decent approximation.

    Fisher played 4-out most of the second half, and the Knicks seemed to go on a run whenever he went to it. I have no confidence, however, that he recognizes what’s going on. Last night’s lineups were mostly do to Porzingis’s struggles and foul trouble. When Porzingis when out in the 3rd, Fisher went to O’Quinn at the 4 and Lopez at the 5, which should never happen. I think he realized O’Quinn shouldn’t play the 4 after he jacked a three (he’s 0% from three on the season), after which he subbed in Thomas for Lopez. All it will take is one bad game from O’Quinn, and he’ll be back on the bench for three games (or until Seraphin has a bad game).

    Lance Thomas has suddenly become a legitimate 3 and D player. After shooting 31.8% on 0.5 attempts/36 last season and shooting one single three pointer in his entire career before that, he’s shooting 37.5% on 3.4 attempts/36.

    Maybe. But in 48 shots you can’t tell the difference between a 37.5% shooter and 30% three point shooter. When Shump was a sophomore he shot over 40% on 127 shots. The year Larry Hughes came here, he shot 39% on almost 200 attempts, and then went back to his career 31% average. Lance is only shooting 34% on 32 16-23 footers this year, which is pretty bad, so the jury’s out. But he’s also shooting great from the line, so who knows.

    The jury is definitely still out, but the trend and current results are encouraging. Given that this team isn’t that good and our need for a 6’5″+ wing (other than Melo and Derrick Williams), I say let’s go with it and see what we’ve got. He doesn’t have to be a great shooter to be effective—just a decent one.

    Thomas has played some pretty good defense lately, but boy, does he like to commit dumb fouls at crunch time…

    “LAL and CHI did not have particularly gifted big men”


    Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Stacey King, Bill Wennington…

    Bynam and Gasol were better. Gasol is probably the best triangle C as far as individual play but I am just thinking off the top of my head, maybe there’s someone else. As to guards, BJ Armstrong, Craig Hodges, John Paxson, Derek Fisher, Steve Blake.

    Yes, we have a creative presence to play that Kobe role. It was supposed to be Melo. If it is, god help us truly. Perhaps it’s KP6. Maybe he’s the star of our next offense, but you guys are making a point that we need an all star type big or pg when those other triangle teams did not often have a star at those positions.

    Of course career year Jordan and Kobe are better than Melo and that’s no knock on Melo, so, hell yeah good players are better than mere role players, but for this year, everyone is playing off the center anyway, so 30+ minutes Galloway, 30+ AA, 20+ Calderon, 10+ Grant, Break Glass in case of emergency Sasha.

    Most importantly stay with the offense. The offense utilizes the pass to break down the defense, not the crossover dribble. Furthermore Galloway getting more minutes and minutes at PG will put him in a rhythm. He can arguably be our second best player this year.


    Welcome to Knickerblogger, where that article has been posted several times, but since the stats used and conclusion don’t “pass the smell test,” in that “how could Rodman be more valuable than Jordan smdh,” it is largely dismissed.

    Wins Produced says the same thing about Rodman, so again, hogwash.

    I had not noticed that page Etsuke. Looking forward to going down that rabbit hole.

    Anyone who doesn’t think Rodman was one of the greatest players of all time doesn’t know basketball. I really enjoyed watching the Bad Boys documentary just for the bits about Rodman.

    Also, isn’t Carmelo Anthony just a modern day version of Mark Aguirre? That to me seems like as good a comp as you can find….

    Between Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Gasol, Bynum, and Odom, the Bulls and Lakers had bigs ranging from all-star level to historically great. The idea that they didn’t have great bigs, and therefore great bigs aren’t needed to run the triangle well, really couldn’t be further from the truth.

    Owen, do you find it interesting that according to B-R’s similarity score metric, the player most similar to Rodman at this point is…..

    Between Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Gasol, Bynum, and Odom, the Bulls and Lakers had bigs ranging from all-star level to historically great. The idea that they didn’t have great bigs, and therefore great bigs aren’t needed to run the triangle well, really couldn’t be further from the truth.

    The Lakers also had this other decent center. I forget his first name, but he was an Irish guy. Something O’Neal.

    Also, isn’t Carmelo Anthony just a modern day version of Mark Aguirre? That to me seems like as good a comp as you can find….


    Also how can anyone start a conversation in a basketball forum about bigs on the Bulls and Lakers — or bigs in history — without talking about that O’Neal something is beyond me.

    My younger mind deviated towards the more recent Laker teams, but yeah, I’ve heard the guy on TNT used to be pretty good.

    Yes, no mention of the elephant in the room. That’s how it goes here at KB, everyone too polite to mention the Irish fellow.

    Who is rodman similar too? Porzingis?

    And of course it’s Melo….

    I can’t think of two less similar players than Melo and the Worm. So that’s strange. I guess it’s just off Win Shares.

    I didn’t really watch Mark Aguirre (born in ’87)-what about them was similar? Conveniently enough, Mark played 12 years and this is Melo’s 12th year. Looking at the numbers Carmelo scores way more (21,447-18,458) and rebounds way more (5610-4578). USG% is similar, Melo with a higher one (31.7-29.1). As to be expected Carmelo shot twice as many 3s and at a higher pct. Melo looks like he played more active defense based on Stl% Blk% and DWS…

    Well, watching clips of Aguirre in the Bad Boys doc, he just reminded me of Melo in how he played to a great degree. The game is a little different now clearly, which I think explains the threes, but Aguirre and Melo have almost exactly the same TS%. Both scorers. Melo plays a little bigger obviously, Aguirre was more a pure small forward.

    I don’t know, I just couldn’t shake how much Aguirre looked like Melo out on the court too. Look at me using the eye test….

    I always think of Melo as an Adrian Dantley/Bernard King flat out raw scorers of the basketball who can create their own shots both inside and outside…..Great fun to watch, and can take their teams almost singlehandedly to a 50 win ish level, but seldom over the top due to their style of play,

    I guess it’s just off Win Shares.

    b-ref’s similarity scores are not that useful. They just go by win-shares, which is a fine enough way to compare players productivity, but it’s not useful for seeing how a player might develop, or what sort of player he was.

    Well, it does compare players in terms of WS48, which is a composite metric we all use pretty frequently. Is it outlandish to suggest that Melo and Rodman are similar in terms of their overall impact on winning? For example, re: the ’89 Pistons, was Dennis Rodman’s impact comparable to Mark Aguirre’s?

    Yes, Shaq absolutely. I guess I wasn’t thinking of that team as triangle team but of course it was Phil.

    Who’s the best triangle PG?

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